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<PRE>Le 07/01/2012 11:18, andre999 a écrit :
><i> Sander Lepik a écrit :
</I>>><i> 07.01.2012 01:09, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas:
</I>>>><i> On Friday 06 January 2012 18:54, Balcaen John wrote:
</I>>>>><i> I guess when you did encounter that you just remove task-kde from
</I>>>>><i> your system
</I>>>><i> I did not. I should have been more clearly with my example. :-)=
</I>>>><i> The packages in my example where all console program, that I
</I>>>><i> installed and removed using urpm[ie]. So I explicitly removed only
</I>>>><i> the one program I just installed. And it did not install any other
</I>>>><i> packages, as a result of dependencies.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> And this is my point. We uninstall a specific program, not a
</I>>>><i> meta/task package, which result in some packages beeing marked as
</I>>>><i> orphaned, when they are infact Not orphaned.
</I>>><i> Give us command line example. Install something and remove it and
</I>>><i> then show me what got orphaned if it wasn't orphan before. What you
</I>>><i> claim here doesn't sound right as i haven't seen it myself.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> --
</I>>><i> Sander
</I>><i>
</I>><i> It is not exactly the same thing, but in more than one occasion when I
</I>><i> installed packages with similar functions at the same time, to compare
</I>><i> them, say A, B, and C, and later uninstalled B and C, I have found A
</I>><i> to be declared an orphan. Only to find that it had been required by
</I>><i> one of the others.
</I>><i> (I often prefer command-line packages. It is simple to add them to
</I>><i> the menu if I want. And I have often enough made such comparisons.
</I>><i> To be fair, I haven't done much of that since installing Mageia, when
</I>><i> it first became available.)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Really though, we should consider how people work with installing
</I>><i> software.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> The auto-orphans option and how it currently works is based on the
</I>><i> assumption that if package A is installed as a requirement of package
</I>><i> B, that on uninstalling B, one will want to uninstall A. That to me
</I>><i> is a false premise.
</I>><i> It is likely to be the case, but not necessarily.
</I>><i> Generally users will use the graphic installer (rpmdrake), as it is
</I>><i> more convenient. When the question of orphans is presented, if it is
</I>><i> presented, one should be presented with the same options that are
</I>><i> presented on installation with required packages. That is, to be able
</I>><i> to query the description ("more info") of the associated packages, and
</I>><i> thus readily make an informed decision of what to remove.
</I>><i> As well, the message should be that the orphaned packages "may" be no
</I>><i> longer useful, instead of saying that they can be safely removed.
</I>><i> Sure, in terms of not being strictly required by other packages, they
</I>><i> can be safely removed, but if I had always followed the auto-orphan
</I>><i> advice, I would have uninstalled gnome on more than one occasion.
</I>><i> (Which is my usual desktop environment.)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> What is more important is what is needed for the user to be able to
</I>><i> use their computer as they wish, with the packages providing the
</I>><i> functions they wish. In that sense, auto-orphans does indeed break
</I>><i> systems.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> My 2 cents :)
</I>><i>
</I>+1
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