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Solbu kirjutas: +</I>>>><i> On Friday 06 January 2012 18:54, Balcaen John wrote: +</I>>>>><i> I guess when you did encounter that you just remove task-kde from +</I>>>>><i> your system +</I>>>><i> I did not. I should have been more clearly with my example. :-)= +</I>>>><i> The packages in my example where all console program, that I +</I>>>><i> installed and removed using urpm[ie]. So I explicitly removed only +</I>>>><i> the one program I just installed. And it did not install any other +</I>>>><i> packages, as a result of dependencies. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> And this is my point. We uninstall a specific program, not a +</I>>>><i> meta/task package, which result in some packages beeing marked as +</I>>>><i> orphaned, when they are infact Not orphaned. +</I>>><i> Give us command line example. Install something and remove it and +</I>>><i> then show me what got orphaned if it wasn't orphan before. What you +</I>>><i> claim here doesn't sound right as i haven't seen it myself. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> Sander +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It is not exactly the same thing, but in more than one occasion when I +</I>><i> installed packages with similar functions at the same time, to compare +</I>><i> them, say A, B, and C, and later uninstalled B and C, I have found A +</I>><i> to be declared an orphan. Only to find that it had been required by +</I>><i> one of the others. +</I>><i> (I often prefer command-line packages. It is simple to add them to +</I>><i> the menu if I want. And I have often enough made such comparisons. +</I>><i> To be fair, I haven't done much of that since installing Mageia, when +</I>><i> it first became available.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Really though, we should consider how people work with installing +</I>><i> software. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The auto-orphans option and how it currently works is based on the +</I>><i> assumption that if package A is installed as a requirement of package +</I>><i> B, that on uninstalling B, one will want to uninstall A. That to me +</I>><i> is a false premise. +</I>><i> It is likely to be the case, but not necessarily. +</I>><i> Generally users will use the graphic installer (rpmdrake), as it is +</I>><i> more convenient. When the question of orphans is presented, if it is +</I>><i> presented, one should be presented with the same options that are +</I>><i> presented on installation with required packages. That is, to be able +</I>><i> to query the description ("more info") of the associated packages, and +</I>><i> thus readily make an informed decision of what to remove. +</I>><i> As well, the message should be that the orphaned packages "may" be no +</I>><i> longer useful, instead of saying that they can be safely removed. +</I>><i> Sure, in terms of not being strictly required by other packages, they +</I>><i> can be safely removed, but if I had always followed the auto-orphan +</I>><i> advice, I would have uninstalled gnome on more than one occasion. +</I>><i> (Which is my usual desktop environment.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What is more important is what is needed for the user to be able to +</I>><i> use their computer as they wish, with the packages providing the +</I>><i> functions they wish. In that sense, auto-orphans does indeed break +</I>><i> systems. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My 2 cents :) +</I>><i> +</I>+1 + + +-- +Ce courriel a été émis à partir du système d'exploitation Mandriva +Linux +Préférez les logiciels libres et les formats ouverts. +LINUX ? IL Y A MOINS BIEN, MAIS... C'EST PLUS CHER !! + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="011068.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . . +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="011070.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . . +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#11069">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#11069">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#11069">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#11069">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |