1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
174
175
176
177
178
179
180
181
182
183
|
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer
</TITLE>
<LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" >
<LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C100088938.601301041436900.JavaMail.root%40zimbrastaff-vm1.telkomsa.net%3E">
<META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow">
<META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
<LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003705.html">
<LINK REL="Next" HREF="003649.html">
</HEAD>
<BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff">
<H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1>
<B>Buchan Milne</B>
<A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C100088938.601301041436900.JavaMail.root%40zimbrastaff-vm1.telkomsa.net%3E"
TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net
</A><BR>
<I>Fri Mar 25 09:23:56 CET 2011</I>
<P><UL>
<LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003705.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)
</A></li>
<LI>Next message: <A HREF="003649.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer
</A></li>
<LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B>
<a href="date.html#3646">[ date ]</a>
<a href="thread.html#3646">[ thread ]</a>
<a href="subject.html#3646">[ subject ]</a>
<a href="author.html#3646">[ author ]</a>
</LI>
</UL>
<HR>
<!--beginarticle-->
<PRE>
----- "andre999" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote:
><i> Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > 2011/3/24 Olivier Blin<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>>:
</I>><i> >> Thorsten van Lil<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>> writes:
</I>><i> >>
</I>><i> >>> Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
</I>><i> >>>> 2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>:
</I>><i> >>>>> On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>>
</I>><i> wrote:
</I>><i> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad
</I>><i> Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote:
</I>><i> >>>>>>>
</I>><i> >>>>>>> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free
</I>><i> firmware?
</I>><i> >>>>>>
</I>><i> >>>>>> No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd
</I>><i> iso,
</I>><i> >>>>>> and this question is i think interesting.
</I>><i> >>>>>>
</I>><i> >>>> A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a
</I>><i> non-free
</I>><i> >>>> "driver cd ISO" which they could include in the installation
</I>><i> process.
</I>><i> >>>>
</I>><i> >>>
</I>><i> >>> What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to
</I>><i> not
</I>><i> >>> install them?
</I>><i> >>> I think the majority of the users don't care that much about
</I>><i> >>> proprietary issues, they just need them for using there wireless
</I>><i> card
</I>><i> >>> or graphic card. Those how do care can just uncheck the non-free
</I>><i> part
</I>><i> >>> of the DVD. :)
</I>><i> >>
</I>><i> >> Yep, it could just be an option. The desktop selection step seems
</I>><i> to be a
</I>><i> >> good place in the installer to include it, it is visible enough,
</I>><i> and
</I>><i> >> right before packages installation. Though it would have to be
</I>><i> renamed.
</I>><i> >>
</I>><i> >> We could have a checkbox "Install proprietary drivers if needed
</I>><i> >> (non-free software)", ticked by default.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> perfect solution :)
</I>
Maybe for you. Maybe for me. But, the *real* question is, would this discourage some of our target market from using our distribution.
IOW, we *must* get community input (after documenting some proposals).
><i> > Are you aware that this would mean that Mageia is not a "free
</I>><i> > distribution" as planned? No matter how you phrase the question and
</I>><i> > how many checkboxes a user would have to check, if non-free
</I>><i> contents
</I>><i> > is included in an ISO it is not a free ISO anymore.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Mageia the distribution includes non-free software. We are talking
</I>><i> about what we include on the ISO.
</I>><i> If users want to exclude installing any non-free packages, this
</I>><i> check-box solution solves the problem nicely.
</I>
Depends on what guidelines you follow. E.g., some might say there shouldn't be a checkbox at all. Some might say the checkbox should be disabled by default. Some might say that there should be no non-free software on the default media.
><i> So users that want to ensure that their installation works "out of the
</I>><i>
</I>><i> box" will be satisfied.
</I>><i> And purists that don't mind some things not working, can avoid
</I>><i> installing non-free drivers.
</I>
"Can avoid" and "guaranteed to never occur" are not the same, and some users may want the latter.
><i> Sounds like a win-win solution to me :)
</I>
But, again, this is subjective, you are presenting your preference, and yours may not be the only one we should cater to.
Regards,
Buchan
</PRE>
<!--endarticle-->
<HR>
<P><UL>
<!--threads-->
<LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003705.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)
</A></li>
<LI>Next message: <A HREF="003649.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer
</A></li>
<LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B>
<a href="date.html#3646">[ date ]</a>
<a href="thread.html#3646">[ thread ]</a>
<a href="subject.html#3646">[ subject ]</a>
<a href="author.html#3646">[ author ]</a>
</LI>
</UL>
<hr>
<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev
mailing list</a><br>
</body></html>
|
