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    <B>Michael Scherer</B> 
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<PRE>Le vendredi 25 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 00:09 +0200, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
&gt;<i> On 24.02.2011 21:15, Michael Scherer wrote:
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 24 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 20:30 +0200, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I have about 15-30 entries in everyone of Internet, Office, Audio/Video,
</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Tools, Tools-&gt;System submenus.
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; By submenu, you mean the &quot;more&quot; submenu ? I fail to understand what do
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you have exactly, can you provides a screenshot ?
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> No, I mean menu entries directly under those menus.
</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://onse.fi/files/kuvat/menu1.png">http://onse.fi/files/kuvat/menu1.png</A>
</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://onse.fi/files/kuvat/menu2.png">http://onse.fi/files/kuvat/menu2.png</A>
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</I>&gt;<i> IMHO too many entries there. 
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We agree. Now, what ever you do, there is too much entries.
In the end, if you have a deep hierarchy, there is still a problem
and you will hit a limit, no matter what you do.

&gt;<i> With two levels I think at least the number
</I>&gt;<i> of entries/submenus directly under the Internet menu would be
</I>&gt;<i> significantly reduced.
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Likely.
Then I misunderstood you when ou told &quot;keep the current system&quot;.

&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; With a two-level system it would be considerably less and closer to the
</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ~7 you mention.
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Depend, what is the process that you are wanting to improve ?
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( and closer is not good enough, even if 15 is nearer to 7 than 20,
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that's still too much and a different process is used ( according to
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; studies ))
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> No idea. IMO finding the wanted application is faster when it goes
</I>&gt;<i> Internet =&gt; 5-7 submenus =&gt; each with 2-5 app entries
</I>&gt;<i> instead of the current
</I>&gt;<i> Internet =&gt; 20 app entries, plus 10 more in &quot;More&quot;
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Yes. But I think that what some people want is 
Internet =&gt; 30 apps.
( ie, suppress More )

Citing tux99 : 

&quot;I'm pretty sure that if we make a survey among Mandriva users the
majority will be saying they don't like apps hidden behind &quot;More&quot; as it
currently happens, they would want them  in the higher level with all
the other apps of the same type.&quot;

So maybe I misunderstood. 

What need to be taken in account too is also the case 
Internet =&gt; 5-7 apps. 

Having :
Internet =&gt; 5-7 submenus =&gt; 1 app entry 
is IMHO clearly suboptimal.

( ie, 1 step more to get application , on a total of 3, that's a lot ).

-- 
Michael Scherer

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