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<H1>[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped</H1>
<B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Claire Robinson at 17/11/11 12:49 did gyre and gimble:
><i> On 17/11/11 10:26, Michael scherer wrote:
</I>>><i> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:39:29AM +0100, Florian Hubold wrote:
</I>>>><i> Am 15.11.2011 07:29, schrieb Michael Scherer:
</I>>>>><i> Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 à 22:09 -0800, Robert M. Riches Jr. a écrit :
</I>>>>>><i> (New list subscriber...needed to fix registered email address to
</I>>>>>><i> post...)
</I>>>>>><i>
</I>>>>>><i> I was asked to submit this suggestion to the mailing list:
</I>>>>>><i>
</I>>>>>><i> As a Mageia user, I believe msec was much better off with_OUT_
</I>>>>>><i> sectool. In its present state, sectool is BADLY broken. It
</I>>>>>><i> whines for pages about file permissions that are exactly as they
</I>>>>>><i> should be.
</I>>>>><i> Can you be more specific ?
</I>>>><i> It think he means this: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808</A>
</I>>>><i> or <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21</A> or
</I>>>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22</A>
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> I've also become supportive of this, sectool is basically duplicating
</I>>>><i> partly msec functionality, there was no adaption for Mageia,
</I>>>><i> currently it's
</I>>>><i> checking on Mageia with the upstream Fedora configuration.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> Honestly this should have been done when importing it, as
</I>>>><i> tmb already mentioned. msec should be patched to not require it.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> When we can't even get our default security tool to work properly,
</I>>>><i> what's the point in adding a second one which needs even more
</I>>>><i> maintenance?
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> As you say, the question is again "why was it uploaded in the first
</I>>><i> place".
</I>>><i> It seems some packages were uploaded, and there seemed to have not enough
</I>>><i> tests. While that's hard or impossible to avoid totally, that's not
</I>>><i> really
</I>>><i> the way to achieve a good distribution :/
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> I neither use msec or sectool, so I personnaly do not care that much.
</I>>><i> Afaik, sectool was created by a ex mandriva/mandrake guy ( vincent
</I>>><i> danen ),
</I>>><i> because he was ( rightfully ) wanting to rewrite msec, who is/was
</I>>><i> a mess of bash + python + perl code ( and rather ugly code, afaik,
</I>>><i> last time
</I>>><i> I took a look ), but if msec is supported, and sectool is not, then I
</I>>><i> guess
</I>>><i> we could drop. However, I still think we should first attempt to
</I>>><i> collaborate
</I>>><i> and fix it. ( ie, always have the reflex of "try to fix and
</I>>><i> collaborate" ).
</I>>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> As one of the people who tested it and the one who filed the bug linked
</I>><i> to above which expresses the need for it to be configured, I object to
</I>><i> this being blamed on QA! It seems we are kicked whenever anything is wrong.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I believe it is assigned to those higher up to provide a proper
</I>><i> configuration.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> The bug was dated 22nd September and as yet no configuration exists.
</I>><i> That does not reflect well on the distribution, not that QA haven't
</I>><i> performed sufficient testing, which we obviously did.
</I>
Knowing misc a little bit I don't think for a second he was intending to
blame QA team here.
More the initial "blind import" (which was a hard time to do overly much
testing as I'm sure all will agree!) without properly checking things then.
So please don't take it personally, I really don't think he was
targeting you :)
Col
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