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Riches Jr. a écrit : +</I>>>>>><i> (New list subscriber...needed to fix registered email address to +</I>>>>>><i> post...) +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> I was asked to submit this suggestion to the mailing list: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> As a Mageia user, I believe msec was much better off with_OUT_ +</I>>>>>><i> sectool. In its present state, sectool is BADLY broken. It +</I>>>>>><i> whines for pages about file permissions that are exactly as they +</I>>>>>><i> should be. +</I>>>>><i> Can you be more specific ? +</I>>>><i> It think he means this: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808</A> +</I>>>><i> or <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21</A> or +</I>>>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22</A> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I've also become supportive of this, sectool is basically duplicating +</I>>>><i> partly msec functionality, there was no adaption for Mageia, +</I>>>><i> currently it's +</I>>>><i> checking on Mageia with the upstream Fedora configuration. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Honestly this should have been done when importing it, as +</I>>>><i> tmb already mentioned. msec should be patched to not require it. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> When we can't even get our default security tool to work properly, +</I>>>><i> what's the point in adding a second one which needs even more +</I>>>><i> maintenance? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> As you say, the question is again "why was it uploaded in the first +</I>>><i> place". +</I>>><i> It seems some packages were uploaded, and there seemed to have not enough +</I>>><i> tests. While that's hard or impossible to avoid totally, that's not +</I>>><i> really +</I>>><i> the way to achieve a good distribution :/ +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I neither use msec or sectool, so I personnaly do not care that much. +</I>>><i> Afaik, sectool was created by a ex mandriva/mandrake guy ( vincent +</I>>><i> danen ), +</I>>><i> because he was ( rightfully ) wanting to rewrite msec, who is/was +</I>>><i> a mess of bash + python + perl code ( and rather ugly code, afaik, +</I>>><i> last time +</I>>><i> I took a look ), but if msec is supported, and sectool is not, then I +</I>>><i> guess +</I>>><i> we could drop. However, I still think we should first attempt to +</I>>><i> collaborate +</I>>><i> and fix it. ( ie, always have the reflex of "try to fix and +</I>>><i> collaborate" ). +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As one of the people who tested it and the one who filed the bug linked +</I>><i> to above which expresses the need for it to be configured, I object to +</I>><i> this being blamed on QA! It seems we are kicked whenever anything is wrong. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I believe it is assigned to those higher up to provide a proper +</I>><i> configuration. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The bug was dated 22nd September and as yet no configuration exists. +</I>><i> That does not reflect well on the distribution, not that QA haven't +</I>><i> performed sufficient testing, which we obviously did. +</I> +Knowing misc a little bit I don't think for a second he was intending to +blame QA team here. + +More the initial "blind import" (which was a hard time to do overly much +testing as I'm sure all will agree!) without properly checking things then. + +So please don't take it personally, I really don't think he was +targeting you :) + +Col + + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +colin(at)mageia.org +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A> +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A> + PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A> + Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="009595.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="009613.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#9604">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#9604">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#9604">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#9604">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |