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<B>Marco Benatto</B>
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<PRE>Hi,
I want to join the team, actually I already made contact by IRC channel.
But I'm still looking for a mentor.
I've never had experience as a packager just had in a little free software
projects.
My mageia identity is: mbenattoa. If somebody wants help me on mentoring
process I'll be very glad!
Thanks.
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</I>><i> 1. Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release
</I>><i> perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2 (D.Morgan)
</I>><i> 2. Re: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
</I>><i> (Johnny A. Solbu)
</I>><i> 3. Re: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing (andre999)
</I>><i> 4. mentors + apprentices (andre999)
</I>><i> 5. i18n corrections in drak tools (Oliver Burger)
</I>><i>
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</I>><i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Message: 1
</I>><i> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 01:40:07 +0100
</I>><i> From: "D.Morgan" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>>
</I>><i> To: Mageia development mailing-list <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>>
</I>><i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release
</I>><i> perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
</I>><i> Message-ID:
</I>><i> <CAL+dqvDutg406MXZVTzaAsyYeO2JXQpbprQHjrpx9CXp=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">vbRmw at mail.gmail.com</A>
</I>><i> >
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</I>><i> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Thierry Vignaud
</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>> wrote:
</I>><i> > On 27 October 2011 17:11, Mageia Team <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>>
</I>><i> wrote:
</I>><i> >> takashi <takashi> 0.714.0-1.mga2:
</I>><i> >> + Revision: 158214
</I>><i> >> - update to 0.714
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > A requested package cannot be installed:
</I>><i> > perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2.noarch (due to unsatisfied
</I>><i> > perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[>= 0.712.0])
</I>><i> > Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
</I>><i> >
</I>><i>
</I>><i> still broken.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> The main issue is that i don't see perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[>=
</I>><i> 0.712.0]) see : <A HREF="http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/">http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/</A>
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> ------------------------------
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Message: 2
</I>><i> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 03:49:02 +0100
</I>><i> From: "Johnny A. Solbu" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>>
</I>><i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
</I>><i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in
</I>><i> updates_testing
</I>><i> Message-ID: <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">201111020349.05223.cooker at solbu.net</A>>
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</I>><i> On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:05, andre999 wrote:
</I>><i> > No offense intended
</I>><i>
</I>><i> None detected. ;-)=
</I>><i>
</I>><i> > but you don't see a slight advantage of not having
</I>><i> > to mount a separate partition, and of sharing the space available on the
</I>><i> > otherwise 2 separate partitions, particularly if the disk space is
</I>><i> > somewhat limited ?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> If the diskspace is limited, there often is no available space to host a
</I>><i> separate /usr.
</I>><i> The old drive in my gateway was a 4G drive. There was One partition. ;-)=
</I>><i> I do see the need to have all in one partition in many cases.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> But there is a diffenrece in having a need and require it. :-)=
</I>><i>
</I>><i> > Since you have read the reference, you didn't notice that the option of
</I>><i> > separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to be
</I>><i> mounted in order for the system to boot normally. Then have systemd mount
</I>><i> it.
</I>><i> I do see that there might be some problems involved in solving it.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> > However if one has / and /usr on the same partition, combining /bin,
</I>><i> > /sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin would certainly be a lot simpler than it
</I>><i> > is now.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Yes. I see that, and I see that it can be agood idea to merge /*bin with
</I>><i> /usr/*bin
</I>><i>
</I>><i> > I never could understand why the complication of separate /bin and /sbin,
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I still feel that the daemon's executeable's belongs in sbin rather than
</I>><i> bin.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> > and never appreciated the gymnastics of different commands with
</I>><i> > the same name to handle root/non-root permissions for certain commands.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I haven't noticed that. do you have an example?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> > To me, avoiding unnecessary complication by design is a big plus.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Agreed. But don't throw the baby out with the water. ;-)=
</I>><i>
</I>><i> --
</I>><i> Johnny A. Solbu
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</I>><i> Message: 3
</I>><i> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:47:21 -0400
</I>><i> From: andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>>
</I>><i> To: Mageia development mailing-list <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>>
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</I>><i> Johnny A. Solbu a ?crit :
</I>><i> > On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:05, andre999 wrote:
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> [...]
</I>><i> >> Since you have read the reference, you didn't notice that the option of
</I>><i> >> separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?
</I>><i> >>
</I>><i> > Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to be
</I>><i> mounted in order for the system to boot normally. Then have systemd mount
</I>><i> it.
</I>><i> > I do see that there might be some problems involved in solving it.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I think it is better to mount any separate /usr as early in the boot
</I>><i> process as possible.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> [...]
</I>><i> >> and never appreciated the gymnastics of different commands with
</I>><i> >> the same name to handle root/non-root permissions for certain commands.
</I>><i> >>
</I>><i> > I haven't noticed that. do you have an example?
</I>><i> >
</I>><i>
</I>><i> See the attached file of duplications of names on my computer.
</I>><i> There are 76 duplications in the 4 directories.
</I>><i> Those ending in @ are symbolic links. Such duplications will disappear
</I>><i> with the merging.
</I>><i> The others are mostly (if not all) scripts which link to a routine which
</I>><i> asks for the root password for certain commands, according to enabled
</I>><i> permissions. If the permissions are enabled and the password correctly
</I>><i> entered, the user is rerouted to the initial command. A less obscure
</I>><i> way of dealing with it would be better.
</I>><i> (I forget the details, but someone like tv or misc would know.)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> >> To me, avoiding unnecessary complication by design is a big plus.
</I>><i> >>
</I>><i> > Agreed. But don't throw the baby out with the water. ;-)=
</I>><i> >
</I>><i>
</I>><i> If just changing initramfs to load any separate /usr partition will fix
</I>><i> it, I don't see that we are losing anything.
</I>><i> Although if someone like tmb can initially misunderstand the impact, I
</I>><i> guess anyone can. (It took me a while.)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Maybe it will be more trouble to make such an initramfs, but once it is
</I>><i> made, it should work nicely. Without a special reason to have a
</I>><i> separate /usr, I would say that it is better to avoid it.
</I>><i> I see that ensuring that everything necessary to fully boot being
</I>><i> guaranteed to be available very early in the boot process is a big plus.
</I>><i> If /home isn't available, one can always login to root. As well,
</I>><i> keeping /home on a separate partition has advantages for ensuring the
</I>><i> persistance of personal data and configuration in the event of
</I>><i> reformatting /.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> --
</I>><i> Andr?
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</I>><i> Message: 4
</I>><i> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 03:54:38 -0400
</I>><i> From: andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>>
</I>><i> To: Mageia development mailing-list <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>>
</I>><i> Subject: [Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
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</I>><i> Hi everyone,
</I>><i>
</I>><i> We have a new packager, takashi, who has successfully mentored with
</I>><i> jquelin.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> We now have 2 apprentice candidates with .rpm packaging experience,
</I>><i> waiting for
</I>><i> a mentor.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> mcb30 (Michael Brown), who I introduced last week,
</I>><i> is a longtime Mandrake/Mandriva and now Mageia user who has maintained
</I>><i> several
</I>><i> private RPM repos, and while waiting for a mentor has been making spec
</I>><i> files
</I>><i> for some python applications.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> We also have
</I>><i> neocrust (Alexander Scherbakov),
</I>><i> who has experience maintaining packages for openSuse and Lunar Linux, as
</I>><i> well
</I>><i> as translating to Russion, and doing documentation with the Gentoo Russion
</I>><i> team.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> You can find more details at:
</I>><i>
</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I'll update the tables for you.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Thanks :-)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> ----
</I>><i>
</I>><i> We now have 49 active packagers (maintaining at least one package), with
</I>><i> several who have yet to take a package.
</I>><i> We currently have about 40 apprentices.
</I>><i> Over 75% of packages have a maintainer.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> ----
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an
</I>><i> apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> See also the section just above, on becoming a Mageia packager :
</I>><i>
</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager</A>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> To find a mentor, you can also post to this list, or on IRC at freenode
</I>><i> #mageia-mentoring.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Regards :-)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> --
</I>><i> Andr?
</I>><i> (Packager mentoring program coordinator)
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> ------------------------------
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Message: 5
</I>><i> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:45:10 +0100
</I>><i> From: Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>>
</I>><i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
</I>><i> Subject: [Mageia-dev] i18n corrections in drak tools
</I>><i> Message-ID: <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">201111020945.10325.oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>>
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</I>><i>
</I>><i> Hi there,
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I'd like to get all corrections made by i18n teams since the Mga1 release
</I>><i> into
</I>><i> the distribution. Imho that is important because not all teams managed to
</I>><i> finish their translation work for the Mga1 freeze, and we were told at that
</I>><i> time, that we would be able to get our work into Mga1 via an update later
</I>><i> on
</I>><i> and thus I told the teams to set a priority on the translation of the
</I>><i> installer po files, which couldn't be updated later.
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> As I mentioned in <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1784">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1784</A> I would
</I>><i> propose
</I>><i> a "i18n bug hunting day". We could do a blog post calling people to
</I>><i> actively
</I>><i> look for translation errors and file bug reports about them. I18n teams
</I>><i> could
</I>><i> then fix as many of those as possible and commit the corrections to the "1"
</I>><i> branch of the drak tools svn (and also to cauldron if they are still
</I>><i> present
</I>><i> there).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> What do you think?
</I>><i> Let's say "i18n bug hunting day" somewhen in the middle of next week and an
</I>><i> update of the drak tools for Mga1 arround december 1st?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Oliver
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
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