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<H1>[Mageia-dev] ARM 3D support was Re: [fedora-arm] ARM summit at Plumbers 2011</H1>
<B>Gordan Bobic</B>
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<I>Wed Aug 24 13:10:44 CEST 2011</I>
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<PRE> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:00:43 +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lkcl at lkcl.net</A>> wrote:
><i> [ok i'm going to do another cross-post in a bit which will give some
</I>><i> background and also perhaps some other topics for discussion, but i
</I>><i> wanted to cover this first. apologies for people for whom this is
</I>><i> just noise]
</I>><i>
</I>><i> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:01 PM, <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omalleys at msu.edu</A>> wrote:
</I>><i>
</I>>>><i>  the xilinx zynq-7000 or similar (dual core Cortex A9 + FPGA). The
</I>>>><i> idea
</I>>>><i>  is to have an OGP GPU in firmware in FPGA. In terms of the power
</I>>>><i> budget,
</I>>>><i>  it seems to work relatively sanely considering what it is, and it
</I>>>><i> is as
</I>>>><i>  ideal as it gets as far as openness and flexibility goes.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i>  I just thought it's worthy of a mention.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> It does seem outlandish, but it is kind of cool. Is it going to give
</I>>><i> enough
</I>>><i> 3d speed? The next gen tegra is supposed to have a 24 core GPU.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> if nvidia have a published announcement of their plans to release a
</I>><i> fully free-software-compliant 3D driver to match the proprietary
</I>><i> hardware, then that would be brilliant news [about their next gen
</I>><i> GPU].
</I>><i>
</I>><i> about the zynq idea: it actually doesn't matter if it's "enough".
</I>><i> the very fact that free software developers - and people who want to
</I>><i> be free software developers - around the world could even _remotely_
</I>><i> consider buying one of these for an affordable price instead of $750
</I>><i> for the present OGP card means that more people can at least begin to
</I>><i> try to address the unbelievably wide and very discouraging gap
</I>><i> between
</I>><i> us and proprietary 3D hardware.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> the NREs on producing a set of masks are _only_ $250,000 if you are
</I>><i> a
</I>><i> taiwanese company asking TSMC, but for everyone else they're at least
</I>><i> $2 million. the development costs if you use off-the-shelf tools
</I>><i> before you even _get_ to the point where you can ask a fab to produce
</I>><i> those masks spiral out of control (Mentor Graphics charges something
</I>><i> like $250,000 per month or maybe per week per user; NREs for
</I>><i> peripheral hard macros can be $50k to $100k each etc. etc.), taking
</I>><i> the total development costs in many cases to well above $USD 30
</I>><i> million.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> and that's excluding all that "proprietary software" which of course
</I>><i> is utterly useless without the corresponding hardware but, because of
</I>><i> USA Accountancy Rules, where "IP" can be added to the books to
</I>><i> increase the value of a company, there's a strong financial
</I>><i> disincentive to consider just "givvin it aww away 4 fwee".
</I>><i>
</I>><i> and here we are with a CPU which could well be around the $25 - $30
</I>><i> mark in large enough volumes, presented with the possibility to say
</I>><i> "**** u all, you proprietary GPU companies and your greed, fear,
</I>><i> patent warfare and lack of willingness to collaborate and cooperate".
</I>><i>
</I>><i> ok maybe not those exact words but you know what i mean :)
</I>
I quite like the wording, actually. :)
Gordan
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