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The +</I>>>><i> idea +</I>>>><i>  is to have an OGP GPU in firmware in FPGA. In terms of the power +</I>>>><i> budget, +</I>>>><i>  it seems to work relatively sanely considering what it is, and it +</I>>>><i> is as +</I>>>><i>  ideal as it gets as far as openness and flexibility goes. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i>  I just thought it's worthy of a mention. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It does seem outlandish, but it is kind of cool. Is it going to give +</I>>><i> enough +</I>>><i> 3d speed? The next gen tegra is supposed to have a 24 core GPU. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> if nvidia have a published announcement of their plans to release a +</I>><i> fully free-software-compliant 3D driver to match the proprietary +</I>><i> hardware, then that would be brilliant news [about their next gen +</I>><i> GPU]. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> about the zynq idea: it actually doesn't matter if it's "enough". +</I>><i> the very fact that free software developers - and people who want to +</I>><i> be free software developers - around the world could even _remotely_ +</I>><i> consider buying one of these for an affordable price instead of $750 +</I>><i> for the present OGP card means that more people can at least begin to +</I>><i> try to address the unbelievably wide and very discouraging gap +</I>><i> between +</I>><i> us and proprietary 3D hardware. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> the NREs on producing a set of masks are _only_ $250,000 if you are +</I>><i> a +</I>><i> taiwanese company asking TSMC, but for everyone else they're at least +</I>><i> $2 million. the development costs if you use off-the-shelf tools +</I>><i> before you even _get_ to the point where you can ask a fab to produce +</I>><i> those masks spiral out of control (Mentor Graphics charges something +</I>><i> like $250,000 per month or maybe per week per user; NREs for +</I>><i> peripheral hard macros can be $50k to $100k each etc. etc.), taking +</I>><i> the total development costs in many cases to well above $USD 30 +</I>><i> million. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> and that's excluding all that "proprietary software" which of course +</I>><i> is utterly useless without the corresponding hardware but, because of +</I>><i> USA Accountancy Rules, where "IP" can be added to the books to +</I>><i> increase the value of a company, there's a strong financial +</I>><i> disincentive to consider just "givvin it aww away 4 fwee". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> and here we are with a CPU which could well be around the $25 - $30 +</I>><i> mark in large enough volumes, presented with the possibility to say +</I>><i> "**** u all, you proprietary GPU companies and your greed, fear, +</I>><i> patent warfare and lack of willingness to collaborate and cooperate". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ok maybe not those exact words but you know what i mean :) +</I> + I quite like the wording, actually. :) + + Gordan +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007582.html">[Mageia-dev] ARM 3D support was Re: [fedora-arm] ARM summit at Plumbers 2011 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007584.html">[Mageia-dev] [fedora-arm] ARM summit at Plumbers 2011 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7583">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7583">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7583">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7583">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |