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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Drakxnet, drakroam and Draknetcenter : let's fix it or throw it.</H1>
<B>D.Morgan</B>
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<I>Mon Aug 1 21:04:33 CEST 2011</I>
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<PRE>On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Maarten Vanraes
<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>> wrote:
><i> Op maandag 01 augustus 2011 11:42:26 schreef Thomas Lottmann:
</I>>><i> Hello,
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> I should have written this mail much sooner, but finally, I am totally,
</I>>><i> completely and starting to be hatefully fed up of these tools.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> The Mandriva/Mageia tools that manage the network on computers,
</I>>><i> especially the wireless networks are completely dysfunctional. While the
</I>>><i> Network Center does not seem to even communicate with the system tools
</I>>><i> to know what is happening during the link setup, it does not
</I>>><i> auto-refresh network lists properly.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Since 2010.1 now even mixes up itself in it's own network scripts (the
</I>>><i> ones stored in wireless.d). This maxes it wrongly detect numerous
</I>>><i> wireless points (he seen WPA2 Enterperise hotspots as opened or WEP, or
</I>>><i> more nerving, becomes incapable or storing the right authentication
</I>>><i> information). A tool that breaks itself is a complete shame!
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> The GUI is also appalling. Despite it's numerous possibilities, it is a
</I>>><i> mess and 60% of it cannot be used by something else than the system or a
</I>>><i> network expert.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> The code itself is undocumented and it extremely difficult to read.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> These tools are getting really bad and not working properly anyway since
</I>>><i> a long time now. So either we fix it and improve it (recoding?), either
</I>>><i> we definitely switch to Network Manager. I am ready to participate if
</I>>><i> necessary (despite my lack of competence), but I do not want to see
</I>>><i> these tools 'as is' on my computer anymore, and no longer want to see
</I>>><i> these issues that down Mageia's reputation in comparison to other
</I>>><i> popular projects here such as Arch, Fedora or Ubuntu, who do have proper
</I>>><i> tools delivered by default.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> This is not the first time I complain about this tool. We should not
</I>>><i> leave this unchanged. It is far too annoying and pushing to so much loss
</I>>><i> of time.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Yours sincerely,.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Thomas.
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> personally, alot of problems could likely be attributed to using all those
</I>><i> several of those apps together.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> imho, the network tools should be redesigned a bit, according to good
</I>><i> usability, but mostly, either they should all be nicely integrated which each
</I>><i> other, or we should just have one that does all nicely.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> personally, i find the netapplet the best working and use that exclusively to
</I>><i> avoid issues.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> but sadly, even netapplet is far from complete.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> as some kind of start, we should have an app that exists in drakconf, but also
</I>><i> accessible via an applet, but again, perhaps we should have multiple applets,
</I>><i> with one for each connection.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> eg: a wifi access link, 2 network connections (one of which goes to internet),
</I>><i> and 3 openvpn tunnels (as an example) it would even be better, if bluetooth
</I>><i> networking could also be included. (this would also allow for multiple
</I>><i> internet connections at a later time with some advanced routing)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> at the same time, people could tell at a glance if they accidentally use more
</I>><i> than one internet access method.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> about openvpn, some of those are user-related (even though they have effects on
</I>><i> global routing), especially password related things, personally, i think it'd
</I>><i> be better if these can only be controlled through the applet by the user it's
</I>><i> from (with perhaps an option to allow any user to control this too)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> again with openvpn, it would be usefull if there was some kind of way to know
</I>><i> it's not only running, but also if it's essentially active or not, and if it's
</I>><i> used as a internet gateway.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> These are some things which i have noticed over the years of using it and
</I>><i> listening to end-user problems.
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> perhaps the above can be used as a starting point for a usability scheme.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Thomas, since you feel this strongly, are you willing to spend some time on
</I>><i> this?
</I>><i>
</I>
AFAIK this is not on mageia 2 specs, maybe you should not ask ppl if
they have time to work on things not on specs, and try to focus on
specs.
We have a lot to do already don't you think ?
Maybe it could be nice to improve net_applet instead of doing "yet an
other software for network".
I used some other distro for years and now i use mageia. Honnestly i
miss nothing ( from a normal user POV )
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