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While the +</I>>><i> Network Center does not seem to even communicate with the system tools +</I>>><i> to know what is happening during the link setup, it does not +</I>>><i> auto-refresh network lists properly. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Since 2010.1 now even mixes up itself in it's own network scripts (the +</I>>><i> ones stored in wireless.d). This maxes it wrongly detect numerous +</I>>><i> wireless points (he seen WPA2 Enterperise hotspots as opened or WEP, or +</I>>><i> more nerving, becomes incapable or storing the right authentication +</I>>><i> information). A tool that breaks itself is a complete shame! +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The GUI is also appalling. Despite it's numerous possibilities, it is a +</I>>><i> mess and 60% of it cannot be used by something else than the system or a +</I>>><i> network expert. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The code itself is undocumented and it extremely difficult to read. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> These tools are getting really bad and not working properly anyway since +</I>>><i> a long time now. So either we fix it and improve it (recoding?), either +</I>>><i> we definitely switch to Network Manager. I am ready to participate if +</I>>><i> necessary (despite my lack of competence), but I do not want to see +</I>>><i> these tools 'as is' on my computer anymore, and no longer want to see +</I>>><i> these issues that down Mageia's reputation in comparison to other +</I>>><i> popular projects here such as Arch, Fedora or Ubuntu, who do have proper +</I>>><i> tools delivered by default. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> This is not the first time I complain about this tool. We should not +</I>>><i> leave this unchanged. It is far too annoying and pushing to so much loss +</I>>><i> of time. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yours sincerely,. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Thomas. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> personally, alot of problems could likely be attributed to using all those +</I>><i> several of those apps together. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> imho, the network tools should be redesigned a bit, according to good +</I>><i> usability, but mostly, either they should all be nicely integrated which each +</I>><i> other, or we should just have one that does all nicely. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> personally, i find the netapplet the best working and use that exclusively to +</I>><i> avoid issues. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> but sadly, even netapplet is far from complete. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> as some kind of start, we should have an app that exists in drakconf, but also +</I>><i> accessible via an applet, but again, perhaps we should have multiple applets, +</I>><i> with one for each connection. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> eg: a wifi access link, 2 network connections (one of which goes to internet), +</I>><i> and 3 openvpn tunnels (as an example) it would even be better, if bluetooth +</I>><i> networking could also be included. (this would also allow for multiple +</I>><i> internet connections at a later time with some advanced routing) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> at the same time, people could tell at a glance if they accidentally use more +</I>><i> than one internet access method. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> about openvpn, some of those are user-related (even though they have effects on +</I>><i> global routing), especially password related things, personally, i think it'd +</I>><i> be better if these can only be controlled through the applet by the user it's +</I>><i> from (with perhaps an option to allow any user to control this too) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> again with openvpn, it would be usefull if there was some kind of way to know +</I>><i> it's not only running, but also if it's essentially active or not, and if it's +</I>><i> used as a internet gateway. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> These are some things which i have noticed over the years of using it and +</I>><i> listening to end-user problems. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> perhaps the above can be used as a starting point for a usability scheme. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thomas, since you feel this strongly, are you willing to spend some time on +</I>><i> this? +</I>><i> +</I> +AFAIK this is not on mageia 2 specs, maybe you should not ask ppl if +they have time to work on things not on specs, and try to focus on +specs. +We have a lot to do already don't you think ? + +Maybe it could be nice to improve net_applet instead of doing "yet an +other software for network". +I used some other distro for years and now i use mageia. Honnestly i +miss nothing ( from a normal user POV ) +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007169.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakxnet, drakroam and Draknetcenter : let's fix it or throw it. +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007175.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakxnet, drakroam and Draknetcenter : let's fix it or throw it. +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7171">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7171">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7171">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7171">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |