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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two</H1>
<B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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<I>Sat Nov 27 00:02:54 CET 2010</I>
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<PRE>Op vrijdag 26 november 2010 22:43:31 schreef Renaud MICHEL:
><i> On vendredi 26 novembre 2010 at 21:29, Thomas Backlund wrote :
</I>><i> > Then we come to the "problematic" part:
</I>><i> > ------
</I>><i> > x86_64
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > media
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > codecs (disabled by default)
</I>><i> > core (old main+contrib)
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > backports (disabled by default)
</I>><i> > backports_testing (disabled by default)
</I>><i> > release
</I>><i> > testing (disabled by default)
</I>><i> > updates
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > extra (unmaintained, disabled by default)
</I>><i> > firmware (disabled by default)
</I>><i> > games (disabled by default)
</I>><i> > non-free (disabled by default)
</I>><i> > /debug_*/ (disabled by default)
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > -----
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > The idea of this layout with some of the separate sections (codecs,
</I>><i> > firmware, games, non-free, debug_*) gives a mirror maintainer in a
</I>><i> > country (or company) the option to exclude the parts they legally (or by
</I>><i> > company policy) can not mirror.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > The "core" should be only maintained free/libre stuff so it's easy to
</I>><i> > build a free/libre iso
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > "extra" is for those packages that no-one really maintain, but is still
</I>><i> > used by someone
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > "games" are now a separate repo since it can grow fast with a lot of
</I>><i> > game data.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I think it is a good layout, but, are updates/backports(testing) limited to
</I>><i> core?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> As you mentioned, extra has no reason to have updates or backports, because
</I>><i> if someone did bother to make updates, then the package doesn't belong in
</I>><i> extra.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> For games it would surely be appreciated to have new versions, so maybe a
</I>><i> only a games/updates media which could also be used as a backport media (as
</I>><i> games are not critical).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> For non-free we would probably want also updates and backports, like in
</I>><i> current mandriva.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Now for firmware and codecs I don't know, are there updates for firmwares?
</I>><i> Maybe they should be in sync with kernel updates (or external modules)?
</I>><i> As for codecs, will it contain anything that could be covered by patents,
</I>><i> like PLF for mandriva?
</I>><i> Does that mean we will still have a stripped down mplayer/xine in core and
</I>><i> a full version in codecs?
</I>><i> But if it is only disabled and you only need to activate it in the control
</I>><i> center to have full featured multimedia programs, it is no big deal, and if
</I>><i> it makes life easier for people whose countries have restrictive law then
</I>><i> we should go for it.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> We should probably have a clear rule to decide what cannot go in core and
</I>><i> should in non-free (that on is pretty clear already) codecs or firmware.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I hope we will soon get to the point where we will actually put packages in
</I>><i> those repositories :-)
</I>
A) i see no reason for codecs and firmware to be separate. However, i do
understand that some people would not want to install firmware, but i think we
should do this in another way, (like installing a meta package that enforces
some limits.)
codecs seem odd to be separate, if they have patented problems they should go
in non_free, if no problem, they can go in core.
B) if they are separate, they would need updates, backports, testing, ... (i
expect non_free does too?)
C) if they are separate, they cannot be disabled by default, some stuff is
needed for stuff to work.
D) i have questions about noarch packages, will they be installed on both
trees? and if we have more archs later on, more and more? this seems a waste;
except if we could hardlink them somehow. if not, we should just put them
somewhere separate.
E) i understand games to be separate, but disabled by default?, i'm not sure i
agree with that. (we need to remember our target audience; stuff needs to work
out-of the box)
F) what is backports_testing? why can't that just be testing?
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