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<H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1>
<B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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<I>Tue Oct 5 16:10:38 CEST 2010</I>
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<PRE>On 5 October 2010 15:56, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote:
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</I>><i>
</I>><i> Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Tue, 05 October 2010 15:47
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Again a rolling distro is something that's not clearly defined. And to
</I>>><i> be honest, a rolling distro isn't suitable for new or inexperienced
</I>>><i> users. Simply because you can't guarantee that a new package won't
</I>>><i> introduce regressions (or totally break an app), in this case an
</I>>><i> experienced user will know how to revert to an older version, a new or
</I>>><i> inexperienced user won't.
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</I>><i> I don't think you really read or understood my proposal.
</I>><i> I'm not talking about a real rolling distro like Gentoo, I'm only talking
</I>><i> about foregoing backported security fixes for newer versions with regards
</I>><i> to apps that don't have anything depending on them.
</I>><i>
</I>
Which, if you read the umpteen emails up there :), can and will
introduce new fixes/features and also new regressions, I don't think
any QA team can handle such kind of flow all year long.
><i> Mandriva already does that with very few apps (like Firefox), I'm just
</I>><i> proposing to extend that to more apps where it can be done safely.
</I>
That's *one* app, and a sort of a special case, and when updating
firefox, it's not just one package, sec. team has to update the
localisation packages, new libnss, new libnspr... etc, as a new
firefox version requires newer libs sometimes.
><i> A backported security fix can introduce as much regressions or instability
</I>><i> (IMHO actually more, because it's essentially a fork so less tested)than
</I>><i> upgrading to a new version.
</I>><i>
</I>
Not really, I think a sec. fix/patch has much less chances of breaking
an app than a whole new version.
><i> Of course it's up to the packager to use good judgement, if the new version
</I>><i> of a particular app is a complete rewrite, then it might not be safe to
</I>><i> provide the new version, but there are many case where it is perfectly
</I>><i> safe and beneficial for the user.
</I>><i>
</I>>><i> Look at the rolling distros that've been mentioned, Debian or Gentoo,
</I>>><i> right? would anyone recommend Debian or Gentoo for a
</I>>><i> new/inexperienced/non-power user?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Sorry, but that comparison is nonsense, Debian and even mre so Gentoo are
</I>><i> not suite for novices for many reasons, not because they are rolling
</I>><i> distros.
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>
No, it isn't nonsense (not just because I posted it :));
Cooker/Cauldron is the same, it _is_not_ for new/inexperienced users,
too much work, you have to figure out when to update / skip an update,
how to revert to an older package to get a working system again...
etc. Read cooker ML archives, many examples on this.
--
Ahmad Samir
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