[Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

Thu Feb 7 14:35:56 CET 2013

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Colin Guthrie <mageia at colin.guthr.ie> wrote:
+> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 07/02/13 12:20 did gyre and gimble:
+>> Le 07/02/2013 12:40, AL13N a écrit :
+>>>> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble:
+>>> [...]
+>>>> What I guess we could to to avoid putting rsyslog on the physical media
+>>>> would be to put a versioned conflicts in the main systemd package with
+>>>> rsyslog and syslog-ng. Thus the old packages should be removed when
+>>>> upgrading (AIUI).
+>>>
+>>> not a really good idea imho, i have a server which uses rsyslog for
+>>> network remote syslogging... so upgrading that would break this.
+>> Indeed.
+>>
+>> Just because journal is installed (no choice here) shouldn't prevent to
+>> install a real syslog-daemon. I'd rather introduce another virtual
+>> package, such as syslog-daemon-minimal (or anything else), and lower the
+>> dependencies of basesystem to just require this last one.
+>
+> I'm not really sure what that gains... i.e. that's that's effectively
+> what we have right now with the current provides of syslog-daemon via
+> systemd itself.
+>
+> Arguably the semantics are wrong... e.g. it should really be called
+> "system-logger" or something more generic.
+>
+> But as things stand you no longer *need* to install rsyslog et al - it's
+> just an option. And as things stand right now, if rsyslog is included in
+> the media it will be upgraded happily and keep on running.
+
+I was wondering if some packages(like fail2ban) may want to require a
+traditional syslog
+