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[Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

+ Colin Guthrie + mageia at colin.guthr.ie +
+ Thu Feb 7 14:40:04 CET 2013 +

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'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 07/02/13 13:35 did gyre and gimble:
+> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Colin Guthrie <mageia at colin.guthr.ie> wrote:
+>> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 07/02/13 12:20 did gyre and gimble:
+>>> Le 07/02/2013 12:40, AL13N a écrit :
+>>>>> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble:
+>>>> [...]
+>>>>> What I guess we could to to avoid putting rsyslog on the physical media
+>>>>> would be to put a versioned conflicts in the main systemd package with
+>>>>> rsyslog and syslog-ng. Thus the old packages should be removed when
+>>>>> upgrading (AIUI).
+>>>>
+>>>> not a really good idea imho, i have a server which uses rsyslog for
+>>>> network remote syslogging... so upgrading that would break this.
+>>> Indeed.
+>>>
+>>> Just because journal is installed (no choice here) shouldn't prevent to
+>>> install a real syslog-daemon. I'd rather introduce another virtual
+>>> package, such as syslog-daemon-minimal (or anything else), and lower the
+>>> dependencies of basesystem to just require this last one.
+>>
+>> I'm not really sure what that gains... i.e. that's that's effectively
+>> what we have right now with the current provides of syslog-daemon via
+>> systemd itself.
+>>
+>> Arguably the semantics are wrong... e.g. it should really be called
+>> "system-logger" or something more generic.
+>>
+>> But as things stand you no longer *need* to install rsyslog et al - it's
+>> just an option. And as things stand right now, if rsyslog is included in
+>> the media it will be upgraded happily and keep on running.
+> 
+> I was wondering if some packages(like fail2ban) may want to require a
+> traditional syslog
+
+https://github.com/fail2ban/fail2ban/pull/82 ;)
+
+But yes, that's a valid argument.
+
+Is anyone against the name "system-logger"? If so I'll update things
+accordingly. Other name suggestions welcome.
+
+Col
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