[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-1.mga3

Tue May 29 19:48:55 CEST 2012

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:30 PM, D.Morgan <dmorganec at gmail.com> wrote:
+> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Jani Välimaa <jani.valimaa at gmail.com> wrote:
+>> On 29.05.2012 18:54, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+>>> 'Twas brillig, and Jani Välimaa at 29/05/12 16:13 did gyre and gimble:
+>>>> On 29.05.2012 17:38, Sander Lepik wrote:
+>>>>> 29.05.2012 17:14, wally kirjutas:
+>>>>>> Name        : task-obsolete                Relocations: (not relocatable)
+>>>>>> Version     : 3                                 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+>>>>>> Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Tue May 29
+>>>>>> 15:59:18 2012
+>>>>>> [...]
+>>>>>>
+>>>>>> wally <wally> 3-1.mga3:
+>>>>>> + Revision: 249259
+>>>>>> - obsolete old libxfce4menu pkgs
+>>>>> Hmm, since when do we obsolete libs like this?
+>>>>>
+>>>>
+>>>> Since task-obsolete was introduced. It's a way to get rid of old,
+>>>> obsoleted and unused pkgs which are also removed from SVN (moved to
+>>>> /packages/obsolete/).
+>>>
+>>> I wasn't aware we ever did this and I can't think of a good reason to do
+>>> so either so I would prefer this change was reverted (and any other old
+>>> libs in there similarly removed from obsoletion).
+>>>
+>>> There is a difference between no longer shipping something and no longer
+>>> supporting it being installed. If I've compiled my own software against
+>>> any given library I do not want something to remove it automatically and
+>>> break my build. That's the whole point in having library packaging the
+>>> way we do - to allow them to live on mostly forever on an installed
+>>> system. If we no longer support something being installed then using
+>>> task-obsoletes seems wise.
+>>
+>> I guess we need another way to drop pkgs easily from our mirrors then.
+>>
+>>>
+>>> Users are then responsible for removing old library packages they no
+>>> longer want from their system using either the urpme --auto-orphans or
+>>> urpmq --not-available.
+>>>
+>>> Maybe I've misunderstood the intention here, and if so feel free to
+>>> correct me!
+>>>
+>>
+>> My primary motives was to drop pkgs from our repos, but in this case
+>> there's no need to have libxfce4menu installed in any system as it was
+>> abandoned upstream over 1.5 years ago and there's no pkgs needing it in
+>> our repos (mga1, mga2 or mga3).
+>>
+>> Can't say anything about other cases, though.
+>
+> packages are automatically removed from the repo ( or by pterjan i
+> don't recall ) so no need and we never obsolete libs.
+
+They are supposed to be automatically removed after a few weeks but it
+does not seem to work, so I still do it manually (and that allows
+catching problems like forgotten obsoletes in some cases).
+What should really be done is to send an email at upload time when
+some subpackages remain from the old src.rpm and then we can remove
+them automatically one or two weeks later. Ideally we would also
+notify maintainers of packages requiring the old lib at the same time.
+