[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-1.mga3

Tue May 29 20:30:20 CEST 2012

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Pascal Terjan <pterjan at gmail.com> wrote:
+> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:30 PM, D.Morgan <dmorganec at gmail.com> wrote:
+>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Jani Välimaa <jani.valimaa at gmail.com> wrote:
+>>> On 29.05.2012 18:54, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+>>>> 'Twas brillig, and Jani Välimaa at 29/05/12 16:13 did gyre and gimble:
+>>>>> On 29.05.2012 17:38, Sander Lepik wrote:
+>>>>>> 29.05.2012 17:14, wally kirjutas:
+>>>>>>> Name        : task-obsolete                Relocations: (not relocatable)
+>>>>>>> Version     : 3                                 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+>>>>>>> Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Tue May 29
+>>>>>>> 15:59:18 2012
+>>>>>>> [...]
+>>>>>>>
+>>>>>>> wally <wally> 3-1.mga3:
+>>>>>>> + Revision: 249259
+>>>>>>> - obsolete old libxfce4menu pkgs
+>>>>>> Hmm, since when do we obsolete libs like this?
+>>>>>>
+>>>>>
+>>>>> Since task-obsolete was introduced. It's a way to get rid of old,
+>>>>> obsoleted and unused pkgs which are also removed from SVN (moved to
+>>>>> /packages/obsolete/).
+>>>>
+>>>> I wasn't aware we ever did this and I can't think of a good reason to do
+>>>> so either so I would prefer this change was reverted (and any other old
+>>>> libs in there similarly removed from obsoletion).
+>>>>
+>>>> There is a difference between no longer shipping something and no longer
+>>>> supporting it being installed. If I've compiled my own software against
+>>>> any given library I do not want something to remove it automatically and
+>>>> break my build. That's the whole point in having library packaging the
+>>>> way we do - to allow them to live on mostly forever on an installed
+>>>> system. If we no longer support something being installed then using
+>>>> task-obsoletes seems wise.
+>>>
+>>> I guess we need another way to drop pkgs easily from our mirrors then.
+>>>
+>>>>
+>>>> Users are then responsible for removing old library packages they no
+>>>> longer want from their system using either the urpme --auto-orphans or
+>>>> urpmq --not-available.
+>>>>
+>>>> Maybe I've misunderstood the intention here, and if so feel free to
+>>>> correct me!
+>>>>
+>>>
+>>> My primary motives was to drop pkgs from our repos, but in this case
+>>> there's no need to have libxfce4menu installed in any system as it was
+>>> abandoned upstream over 1.5 years ago and there's no pkgs needing it in
+>>> our repos (mga1, mga2 or mga3).
+>>>
+>>> Can't say anything about other cases, though.
+>>
+>> packages are automatically removed from the repo ( or by pterjan i
+>> don't recall ) so no need and we never obsolete libs.
+>
+> They are supposed to be automatically removed after a few weeks but it
+> does not seem to work, so I still do it manually (and that allows
+> catching problems like forgotten obsoletes in some cases).
+> What should really be done is to send an email at upload time when
+> some subpackages remain from the old src.rpm and then we can remove
+> them automatically one or two weeks later. Ideally we would also
+> notify maintainers of packages requiring the old lib at the same time.
+
+BTW, by hand = using the following script (runs against core/release
+by default, do not run with only one arch in -m else src.rpm
+generating packages only fot the other arch will be removed) + running
+genhdlist2 in the right place with the correct parameters if you don't
+expect an upload in that media very soon (and rsync in that case)
+
+I should probably add the script to svn and add an option for genhdlist + rsync
+
+[schedbot at valstar ~]$ ~pterjan/cleaner.rb -s
+/distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/nonfree/release -m
+/distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/nonfree/release,/distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/nonfree/release
+broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
+broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
+broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
+broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
+fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
+fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
+fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
+fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
+The 12 listed packages will be moved from
+/distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/nonfree/release to
+/var/lib/schedbot/old/.
+Are you sure [Yn]?
+broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
+broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
+broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
+fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
+fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
+fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
+The 9 listed packages will be moved from
+/distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/nonfree/release to
+/var/lib/schedbot/old/.
+Are you sure [Yn]?
+