[Mageia-dev] About dm

Sat Feb 18 14:43:36 CET 2012

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 02:15:40PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+> I see your point and understand upstream POV of Gnome. The other POV
+> is the user's POV who wants a "minimal" installation with Gnome as the
+> basis but with a few applications only. IMHO this is what a
+> "task-foo-minimal" is made for. So after this task-foo-minimal I have
+> to install only :
+
+I agree that some want something minimal and that it should be possible.
+
+What I dislike is not that people want something minimal, but that
+the minimal one is installed by default instead of task-gnome. I can
+understand people wanting a more minimal installation and that should be
+possible. But at the moment, the minimal installation is the default and
+by default it is diverted from upstream. Or at least that is what
+happened when I installed Cauldron via internet + done by the Mageia
+installer. I still hope for some hidden magic to have task-gnome on the
+DVD.
+
+>  - web browser (for mail, www, downloads),
+>  - mc (filemanager),
+>  - vim (editor),
+>  - vlc (music, video),
+>  - mcc (including the draktools). Done.
+> 
+> (just an example of what I would do for my netbook, others may want
+> another set of applications).
+
+I'm not saying it should be impossible, my point is that that by
+default, you should install the whole thing, unless knowingly selecting
+a minimal installation.
+My idea behind Mageia is that by default, it just works. I want to be
+sure then when handing out a Mageia DVD, I know that no hand-holding is
+necessary.
+
+> Going by the upstream POV we don't need a task-gnome-minimal at all,
+> you can safely remove it.
+
+That is my point of view. Only have task-gnome. And within task-gnome
+use "Suggest:" for those things which could be removed if someone really
+wants an minimal installation. At the moment, the "-minimal"
+installation is different from upstream, yet that is installed by
+default.
+IMO, users knowingly choosing a minimal installation should be the ones
+which might get error messages like a missing gnome-contacts, etc. Not
+people who just install Mageia. I
+
+E.g. you'll get errors if gnome-contacts is not there. But if you really
+care about minimal and don't use the functionality, then it should not
+be impossible.
+
+I have the feeling that after Mageia 2, there will be unneeded
+bugreports due to differences with upstream. IMO, such bugs can and
+should be avoided.
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
+