[Mageia-dev] About dm

Sat Feb 18 14:15:40 CET 2012

2012/2/18 Olav Vitters <olav at vitters.nl>:
+> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 03:50:45PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+>> The Gnome base is more than gnome-shell but less than Gnome in total.
+>> Example: Gnome config editor belongs to the basic Gnome, eog is a
+>> Gnome application. Same with KDE: kdm and the setup configuration are
+>> related to the environment, kmail is a KDE application.
+>
+> GNOME is not the same as KDE.
+>
+> Eye of GNOME is part of GNOME Core (things which should be installed
+> together):
+>  http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/core/3.3/3.3.5/sources/
+> As it is part of Core, anything in GNOME is ok to assume that it is
+> installed.
+>
+>
+> There is a separate "apps" section listed at:
+>  http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/apps/3.3/3.3.5/sources/
+> These consist of applications which closely follow GNOME. Meaning:
+> they're QA tested, etc.
+>
+>
+> Aside from the "apps" section, there are loads of other modules.
+> Everything in total is at:
+>  http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/
+> You see e.g. xchat-gnome. Something in /sources/, but not in "Core", nor
+> in "Apps". It doesn't follow the GNOME release schedule, translation
+> freezes, etc.
+>
+>
+> Regarding eog:
+> Anything wanting to call eog within GNOME should of course use
+> freedesktop.org specifications. So if you've installed something other
+> than eog, it should still work. Still, from upstream POV it is a
+> distribution bug if there wasn't any image viewer installed.
+>
+> In practice, not installing everything by default should be more or less
+> ok. But that's not how things are released or assumed to be. It it just
+> by using freedesktop.org specifications that things still work.
+>
+> But things still working doesn't mean that eog is not assumed to be
+> installed.
+>
+> Anyway, I'm ok with discussing after Mageia 2 as suggested in another
+> email. I have no idea if "Core" + dependencies would fit on a cd anyway
+> (don't believe it would) + I can mention on
+> http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/ that Mageia 2 users should install
+> "task-gnome" to get the full experience.
+
+I see your point and understand upstream POV of Gnome. The other POV
+is the user's POV who wants a "minimal" installation with Gnome as the
+basis but with a few applications only. IMHO this is what a
+"task-foo-minimal" is made for. So after this task-foo-minimal I have
+to install only :
+ - web browser (for mail, www, downloads),
+ - mc (filemanager),
+ - vim (editor),
+ - vlc (music, video),
+ - mcc (including the draktools). Done.
+
+(just an example of what I would do for my netbook, others may want
+another set of applications).
+
+Going by the upstream POV we don't need a task-gnome-minimal at all,
+you can safely remove it.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+