[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer

Mon Mar 28 02:59:25 CEST 2011

On 03/27/2011 06:33 PM, andre999 wrote:
+> Frank Griffin a écrit :
+>>
+>> On 03/26/2011 06:37 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+>>>
+>>> During the times mandriva had several CDs to install it, the new ones
+>>> often
+>>> only dl'ed one and complained when stuff didn't work.
+>>>
+>>> I forsee possibly here the same issue with this, people will forget to
+>>> download the extra non_free CD, or do not care about non_free; wipe 
+>>> their
+>>> windows, install mageia, and have no networking to even get drivers
+>>> anymore.
+>>>
+>>> how would we advertise this anyway? this extra CD contains non_free
+>>> software,
+>>> but if you have an machine with networking from vendor X with types
+>>> Y,Z,...
+>>> you will absolutely need this to have functional networking?
+>>>
+>>> it sounds to me like an awful lot of extra work, and complaints, etc...
+>> Well, then, maybe what we need to do is say that both ISOs, the 4.7GB
+>> primary and the 60 MB(?) secondary ar both required, and let the people
+>> who don't need the second one be pleasantly surprised.
+>
+> Wouldn't it be better that new users be pleasantly surprised by a 
+> system that installs nicely from a single DVD, and all the hardware 
+> "just works" ?
+>
+> If we want to avoid the situation where people are dissatisfied 
+> because the DVD they install produces a Mageia system where the 
+> hardware doesn't work properly, we have to provide a single DVD that 
+> is complete, in terms of hardware drivers.
+
+Please have this conversation with someone who wants to insist on having 
+two ISOs.  All I've said is that I see no reason why having two ISOs is 
+a particular burden on new users, not that I think it's the way to go.  
+You can wave the flag all you want about how the poor users would have a 
+better install experience with a single ISO, but you haven't quantified 
+your argument and I don't care enough about the issue to do so.
+
+I don't consider myself an expert on the reactions of newbies, and given 
+that you're on this mailing list, I don't see any reason to consider you 
+to be such an expert.  If you want to present your bona fides, please do 
+so to the marketing group who will presumably decide what any single or 
+primary ISO should or should not contain.
+
+I'll say again that I don't care where the additional files come from as 
+long as the install takes notice of them if they are there.
+