[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .

Mon Nov 28 15:44:58 CET 2011

On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 15:25 +0100, Oliver Burger wrote:
+> Am Montag, 28. November 2011, 15:10:01 schrieb Florian Hubold:
+> > Am 28.11.2011 14:55, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+> > > I'm more and more concerned about this whole attitude: "you guys should
+> > > make my own life easier, because other already do it". That's just
+> > > plain consumerism.
+> > Uhmm, converse argument would that you want to make your life
+> > (and also that of other distribution users) harder because you don't
+> > want to be that consumer-like? Doesn't sound that reasonable to me,
+> > and please remember, it's not always plain black vs. white decisions.
+> > 
+> > I can live without a get-teamviewer package, but just because of the facts
+> > that i'm able to install/troubleshoot it without help, because i know
+> > the tools to do this (rpm/urpmi) and doing that for a long time.
+> > 
+> > In the end the question should be: Do we want to make the distribution
+> > just for ourselves, just for the sake of having "our own" linux distro,
+> > or do we want also some other people to use it, who aren't IT
+> > specialists, programmers or rocket scientists?
+> 
+> I don't agree. I do think our main goal should be to provide a good linux 
+> distro with as few proprietary packages as possible.
+> 
+> Ok, if it is about drivers, there's not a real choice, so I do advocate 
+> providing the nvidia/amd drivers for the graphics cards, the partly 
+> proprietary drivers for some network cards (especially wlan).
+> This is a question of usability of the distro.
+> 
+> But I don't like us providing more and more nonfree applications.
+> It really is not that difficult to install things like flash, skype, teamviewer 
+> and so on.
+> In my eyes it would be the far better solution to provide documentation on how 
+> to install them then provide a lot of those "get-foo" packages.
+> 
+> Although "easy usability" is a good thing, people should remember they are 
+> working on the most complex machine they do have in their homes.
+> While nobody expects to be able to use a modern video recorder without reading 
+> the manual first, everybody expects to be able to use a far more complex 
+> machine like a computer without reading anyting?
+> 
+> I don't like to support that view, so why not tell people:
+> "We are an OpenSource project and our goal is to support OpenSource software. 
+> Now it is possible to install your precious applications, just look at this 
+> wiki page and you will be able to do it without a problem, but be aware, that 
+> is proprietary software and it would be better to find OpenSource 
+> alternatives."
+> 
+> Oliver
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