[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .

Mon Nov 28 15:25:24 CET 2011

Am Montag, 28. November 2011, 15:10:01 schrieb Florian Hubold:
+> Am 28.11.2011 14:55, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+> > I'm more and more concerned about this whole attitude: "you guys should
+> > make my own life easier, because other already do it". That's just
+> > plain consumerism.
+> Uhmm, converse argument would that you want to make your life
+> (and also that of other distribution users) harder because you don't
+> want to be that consumer-like? Doesn't sound that reasonable to me,
+> and please remember, it's not always plain black vs. white decisions.
+> 
+> I can live without a get-teamviewer package, but just because of the facts
+> that i'm able to install/troubleshoot it without help, because i know
+> the tools to do this (rpm/urpmi) and doing that for a long time.
+> 
+> In the end the question should be: Do we want to make the distribution
+> just for ourselves, just for the sake of having "our own" linux distro,
+> or do we want also some other people to use it, who aren't IT
+> specialists, programmers or rocket scientists?
+
+I don't agree. I do think our main goal should be to provide a good linux 
+distro with as few proprietary packages as possible.
+
+Ok, if it is about drivers, there's not a real choice, so I do advocate 
+providing the nvidia/amd drivers for the graphics cards, the partly 
+proprietary drivers for some network cards (especially wlan).
+This is a question of usability of the distro.
+
+But I don't like us providing more and more nonfree applications.
+It really is not that difficult to install things like flash, skype, teamviewer 
+and so on.
+In my eyes it would be the far better solution to provide documentation on how 
+to install them then provide a lot of those "get-foo" packages.
+
+Although "easy usability" is a good thing, people should remember they are 
+working on the most complex machine they do have in their homes.
+While nobody expects to be able to use a modern video recorder without reading 
+the manual first, everybody expects to be able to use a far more complex 
+machine like a computer without reading anyting?
+
+I don't like to support that view, so why not tell people:
+"We are an OpenSource project and our goal is to support OpenSource software. 
+Now it is possible to install your precious applications, just look at this 
+wiki page and you will be able to do it without a problem, but be aware, that 
+is proprietary software and it would be better to find OpenSource 
+alternatives."
+
+Oliver
+