[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .

Mon Nov 28 17:23:15 CET 2011

Am 28.11.2011 15:44, schrieb Robert Fox:
+> On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 15:25 +0100, Oliver Burger wrote:
+>> Am Montag, 28. November 2011, 15:10:01 schrieb Florian Hubold:
+>>> Am 28.11.2011 14:55, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+>>>> I'm more and more concerned about this whole attitude: "you guys should
+>>>> make my own life easier, because other already do it". That's just
+>>>> plain consumerism.
+>>> Uhmm, converse argument would that you want to make your life
+>>> (and also that of other distribution users) harder because you don't
+>>> want to be that consumer-like? Doesn't sound that reasonable to me,
+>>> and please remember, it's not always plain black vs. white decisions.
+>>>
+>>> I can live without a get-teamviewer package, but just because of the facts
+>>> that i'm able to install/troubleshoot it without help, because i know
+>>> the tools to do this (rpm/urpmi) and doing that for a long time.
+>>>
+>>> In the end the question should be: Do we want to make the distribution
+>>> just for ourselves, just for the sake of having "our own" linux distro,
+>>> or do we want also some other people to use it, who aren't IT
+>>> specialists, programmers or rocket scientists?
+>> I don't agree. I do think our main goal should be to provide a good linux 
+>> distro with as few proprietary packages as possible.
+>>
+>> Ok, if it is about drivers, there's not a real choice, so I do advocate 
+>> providing the nvidia/amd drivers for the graphics cards, the partly 
+>> proprietary drivers for some network cards (especially wlan).
+>> This is a question of usability of the distro.
+>>
+>> But I don't like us providing more and more nonfree applications.
+>> It really is not that difficult to install things like flash, skype, teamviewer 
+>> and so on.
+>> In my eyes it would be the far better solution to provide documentation on how 
+>> to install them then provide a lot of those "get-foo" packages.
+>>
+>> Although "easy usability" is a good thing, people should remember they are 
+>> working on the most complex machine they do have in their homes.
+>> While nobody expects to be able to use a modern video recorder without reading 
+>> the manual first, everybody expects to be able to use a far more complex 
+>> machine like a computer without reading anyting?
+>>
+>> I don't like to support that view, so why not tell people:
+>> "We are an OpenSource project and our goal is to support OpenSource software. 
+>> Now it is possible to install your precious applications, just look at this 
+>> wiki page and you will be able to do it without a problem, but be aware, that 
+>> is proprietary software and it would be better to find OpenSource 
+>> alternatives."
+>>
+>> Oliver
+> ++1
+>
+>
+>
+Oliver summarized it pretty good there, that's also my general opinion.
+But on the other hand, i see all the support issues relating to these
+programs, even when we have MAQeia in the forums (most asked questions)
+for that there are still a ton of forum request about these, so
+obviously we still have to improve on that.
+
+Either by making it easier to install/use things, or by writing better
+documentation which is also better and easier visible to the average user.
+
+Sorry for my last post, which was not worded well enough to adress
+the issue(s) we're discussing here.
+