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For a given service, the needs are known +</I>><i> and stable (or can be planned). The cost (and options) of that +</I>><i> infrastructure, on the other hand, may change more rapidly with time +</I>><i> (up or down). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Basically : [...] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > I do not say that's not a good idea to document ( I started to write +</I>><i> > various SOP on the wiki ), just that I fear that no one will +</I>><i> > be motivated to do it and to keep it up to date, especially for such a huge +</I>><i> > document. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks for the tips anyway, I'll see what I can prepare with that, +</I>><i> although I'm afraid it's useless, given some echoes to this thread +</I>><i> (here and elsewhere). I won't be able to plan for your (sysadmin) +</I>><i> capacities and needs (that means, looking 2/3 years ahead), if you +</I>><i> don't tell me in a documented, maintained and clear way. +</I> +To tell the truth, I think we have more than what we need in term of +hardware. While we can always be ok with faster builders and so on, as I +say, we upgrade, stuff are seen as fast, and after 1 week, that's +becoming the reference speed and so people do not see it anymore. + +So I propose to rather take in account than in X years, we will have +lost Y servers, Z harddrive, etc, and plan this. + +( of course, we do not have X Y Z, but at least, that's the way i would +pursue for planning ) + +><i> Doesn't need to be a huge doc, especially for a start. But it needs to +</I>><i> revolve around something logical for deployment and understandable for +</I>><i> most, non technical people, so service-centered didn't seem absurd to +</I>><i> me, and a graphic-based format neither, so that a sense of priority +</I>><i> can be shared. +</I> +Service centered is not absurd, just it doesn't map easily to physical +hardware for now. + +I would be in favor of moving from "one big server" to "several system" +for alamut ( and also for valstar maybe ). This would permit several +improvements : +- delayed upgrade ( ie, we will upgrade one service at a time ) + +- easier duplication for testing ( clone vm, upgrade vm, if it doesn't +work, we fix and try again ) + +- remote upgrade ( ie, done by the confort of my chair in Paris, not in +a noisy server room ) + +- better service isolation, and the path toward less centralized +management ( ie, we could let someone play with tx without touching to +the rest, etc ). + +- better resilience, by moving vm accross server in case of upgrade, etc + +an,d from a network point of view, a better layout ( ie, server are not +directly exposed to the internet, we can put a reverse proxy with +various goodies like a page to say "we are upgrading" when the virtual +server is down for maintainance, etc ) + +Until then, that's hard to say "this service requires that amount of +ressources". + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004377.html">[Mageia-sysadm] questions about our infrastructure setup & costs +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004392.html">[Mageia-sysadm] questions about our infrastructure setup & costs +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4378">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4378">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4378">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4378">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">More information about the Mageia-sysadm +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |