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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/2412edb4/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/2412edb4/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0205e0922 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/2412edb4/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Romain d'Alverny <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<div class="im">On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Max Quarterpleen <<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Romain d'Alverny <<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>><br> +</div><div class="im">>>  - this team is named "atelier";<br> +><br> +> My French is a little rusty. Does that mean "workshop"?<br> +<br> +</div>Yes.<br> +<div class="im"><br> +> Who came up with that name?<br> +<br> +</div>Doesn't matter. It's just picked to have something.<br></blockquote><div><br>OK, sounds good.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> + +<br> +> How is it pronounced?<br> +<br> +/a.tə.lje/ see <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atelier" target="_blank">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atelier</a><br> +<div class="im"><br> +> And why? (I personally was starting to like webartcom)<br> +<br> +</div>webartcom is reductive - and ugly.<br> +<div class="im"><br> +>>  - a new mailing-list is open for that;<br> +><br> +> Are all participants of -marcom, -web and -artwork automatically subscribed<br> +> to this new list? What is the address? (So I can create a new mail filter)<br> +<br> +</div>This list is not registered yet. All participants will have to<br> +subscribe, an update message stating each former list being closed and<br> +directions to subscribe to the new list will be sent.<br> +<div class="im"><br> +>>  - existing web, marcom and artwork lists are kept for archive, but<br> +>> locked down and all subscribers are unsubscribed;<br> +><br> +> When will this happen?<br> +<br> +</div>As soon as 3 or 4 people can agree on a plan and there's no large<br> +objection from others, and Council validates it. A good time would be<br> +by the end of this week.<br></blockquote><div><br>Count me in. I don't know how much I'll be able to help, I've got a lot going in in meatspace now, but I really do want to see things moving along on this.<br> +What kind of plan do we need? (Maybe start that in a new thread?)<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> +<div class="im"><br> +>>  - will have a say in whatever happens in this team, only those making<br> +>> and contributing things (so here, actionable designs, working code,<br> +>> graphics or copy, etc.); opinions and feedback from others still<br> +>> welcome, but not enough to move forward;<br> +><br> +> So, sort of a reward for participating? Interesting.... but might not work.<br> +<br> +</div>Then what would you suggest that would work better?<br> +<br> +Here it's not a reward; it's a right, if you participate/make things<br> +or if you're included by the team peers; and it's how it happens in<br> +other teams (packagers, dev, sysadmin, qa, i18n, etc.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes, I can see that. But part of the problem that we've had recently is with people not contributing.<br>It's fine to say "If you contribute then you get a say in what happens" but if nobody is contributing....<br> +I can't really think of any alternative, since it is a very good way to do things.<br>I'm just a little concerned about people not contributing.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> + +<div class="im"><br> +>>  - external contributions are a true option; that is, one team peer<br> +</div>>> getting in touch/inviting a professional person [...]<br> +<div class="im">><br> +> I think iamoverrated has already started doing this with a graphic designer.<br> +> I'm not sure on the details, we've been playing IRC tag for a week or so...<br> +<br> +</div>Oh, that's great then. That would be even greater that details (what<br> +work, what scope, when, how, etc.) and progress are posted on this<br> +list so that things are not wasted or duplicated in the end.<br> +<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br>I'll ping him and see what he can tell us.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> +<div class="im"> +>>  - formatting our resources so that one-shot contributions from<br> +>> external people are made easier is a true option too (that means<br> +>> things easier to grasp, understand and update);<br> +><br> +> How?<br> +<br> +</div>I don't know. At this time, I only can find GitHub's "fork and pull"<br> +way very inspiring<br> +(<a href="https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests" target="_blank">https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests</a>) + more<br> +documentation on how/why things are as they are.<br> +<div class="im"><br> +>>  - no more meeting, we plan and do things, and update everyone through<br> +>> the mailing-list (or other, but asynchronous); so being on IRC is not<br> +>> a must, just good to have;<br> +><br> +> Where will we be hanging out? New channel? One of the existing channels?<br> +<br> +</div>We'll see. "No meeting" policy doesn't prevent from chatting, hopefully :-p<br></blockquote><div><br>Indeed.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> + +<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-marketing mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-marketing@mageia.org">Mageia-marketing@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/2412edb4/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/2412edb4/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0205e0922 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/2412edb4/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Romain d'Alverny <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<div class="im">On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Max Quarterpleen <<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Romain d'Alverny <<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>><br> +</div><div class="im">>>  - this team is named "atelier";<br> +><br> +> My French is a little rusty. Does that mean "workshop"?<br> +<br> +</div>Yes.<br> +<div class="im"><br> +> Who came up with that name?<br> +<br> +</div>Doesn't matter. It's just picked to have something.<br></blockquote><div><br>OK, sounds good.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> + +<br> +> How is it pronounced?<br> +<br> +/a.tə.lje/ see <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atelier" target="_blank">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atelier</a><br> +<div class="im"><br> +> And why? (I personally was starting to like webartcom)<br> +<br> +</div>webartcom is reductive - and ugly.<br> +<div class="im"><br> +>>  - a new mailing-list is open for that;<br> +><br> +> Are all participants of -marcom, -web and -artwork automatically subscribed<br> +> to this new list? What is the address? (So I can create a new mail filter)<br> +<br> +</div>This list is not registered yet. All participants will have to<br> +subscribe, an update message stating each former list being closed and<br> +directions to subscribe to the new list will be sent.<br> +<div class="im"><br> +>>  - existing web, marcom and artwork lists are kept for archive, but<br> +>> locked down and all subscribers are unsubscribed;<br> +><br> +> When will this happen?<br> +<br> +</div>As soon as 3 or 4 people can agree on a plan and there's no large<br> +objection from others, and Council validates it. A good time would be<br> +by the end of this week.<br></blockquote><div><br>Count me in. I don't know how much I'll be able to help, I've got a lot going in in meatspace now, but I really do want to see things moving along on this.<br> +What kind of plan do we need? (Maybe start that in a new thread?)<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> +<div class="im"><br> +>>  - will have a say in whatever happens in this team, only those making<br> +>> and contributing things (so here, actionable designs, working code,<br> +>> graphics or copy, etc.); opinions and feedback from others still<br> +>> welcome, but not enough to move forward;<br> +><br> +> So, sort of a reward for participating? Interesting.... but might not work.<br> +<br> +</div>Then what would you suggest that would work better?<br> +<br> +Here it's not a reward; it's a right, if you participate/make things<br> +or if you're included by the team peers; and it's how it happens in<br> +other teams (packagers, dev, sysadmin, qa, i18n, etc.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes, I can see that. But part of the problem that we've had recently is with people not contributing.<br>It's fine to say "If you contribute then you get a say in what happens" but if nobody is contributing....<br> +I can't really think of any alternative, since it is a very good way to do things.<br>I'm just a little concerned about people not contributing.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> + +<div class="im"><br> +>>  - external contributions are a true option; that is, one team peer<br> +</div>>> getting in touch/inviting a professional person [...]<br> +<div class="im">><br> +> I think iamoverrated has already started doing this with a graphic designer.<br> +> I'm not sure on the details, we've been playing IRC tag for a week or so...<br> +<br> +</div>Oh, that's great then. That would be even greater that details (what<br> +work, what scope, when, how, etc.) and progress are posted on this<br> +list so that things are not wasted or duplicated in the end.<br> +<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br>I'll ping him and see what he can tell us.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> +<div class="im"> +>>  - formatting our resources so that one-shot contributions from<br> +>> external people are made easier is a true option too (that means<br> +>> things easier to grasp, understand and update);<br> +><br> +> How?<br> +<br> +</div>I don't know. At this time, I only can find GitHub's "fork and pull"<br> +way very inspiring<br> +(<a href="https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests" target="_blank">https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests</a>) + more<br> +documentation on how/why things are as they are.<br> +<div class="im"><br> +>>  - no more meeting, we plan and do things, and update everyone through<br> +>> the mailing-list (or other, but asynchronous); so being on IRC is not<br> +>> a must, just good to have;<br> +><br> +> Where will we be hanging out? New channel? One of the existing channels?<br> +<br> +</div>We'll see. "No meeting" policy doesn't prevent from chatting, hopefully :-p<br></blockquote><div><br>Indeed.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> + +<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-marketing mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-marketing@mageia.org">Mageia-marketing@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/95aa9b9b/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/95aa9b9b/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a804e2133 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/95aa9b9b/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) + +iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJP1eF1AAoJEFTnxl6Z2dG44esIAKbBsabZRLt8nVbKr+FAUawI +KMM8XWY6g9KolZ18hsdZVdOs/2vqN0ngdCcJq2OR0qaxt7vXL8CWz6y498SfMWau +l9bR8vBYPUFlw+pv+GkZT82Y2UltV0FdWAvTbFJFqKp+gpKGiCTQXpisBaImzESq +NCwQGd7dD5YEX2j0CE7yGCB9Qb7bBUBxob3CbppoMs8K7I9OaHt+QRgaApHpul+F +stupNb8hYl5Ex+tsXh7YO2bAYJwwex4TSUpdmKhzSU2ECc4PQkEBrBqg3J/41AjT +nRqbqBWvwJLRFkzxkkQlg/OL5Wx0sf8MYNTG9sODePM7wVUkevVUkF2z0BRdcZI= +=9cqo +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/95aa9b9b/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/95aa9b9b/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a804e2133 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/95aa9b9b/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) + +iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJP1eF1AAoJEFTnxl6Z2dG44esIAKbBsabZRLt8nVbKr+FAUawI +KMM8XWY6g9KolZ18hsdZVdOs/2vqN0ngdCcJq2OR0qaxt7vXL8CWz6y498SfMWau +l9bR8vBYPUFlw+pv+GkZT82Y2UltV0FdWAvTbFJFqKp+gpKGiCTQXpisBaImzESq +NCwQGd7dD5YEX2j0CE7yGCB9Qb7bBUBxob3CbppoMs8K7I9OaHt+QRgaApHpul+F +stupNb8hYl5Ex+tsXh7YO2bAYJwwex4TSUpdmKhzSU2ECc4PQkEBrBqg3J/41AjT +nRqbqBWvwJLRFkzxkkQlg/OL5Wx0sf8MYNTG9sODePM7wVUkevVUkF2z0BRdcZI= +=9cqo +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/b1399b4a/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/b1399b4a/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1e10ad0e5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/b1399b4a/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,29 @@ +<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Joita Dan-Marian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:djmarian4u@hotmail.com" target="_blank">djmarian4u@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> + + +<div><div dir="ltr"> +Hi,<br> + <br> + I would like to have a mageia banner on my website, it can be + written in English. I can translate it in Romanian, i am a member of + the translation team.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Have a look at this thread: <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=83&p=14265">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=83&p=14265</a><br> +I have the xcf (Gimp source) files somewhere, so it shouldn't be too hard to get it in Romanian.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> +<div><div dir="ltr"> + <a href="http://www.famitemele.ro" target="_blank">www.famitemele.ro</a>, + some students (I am no longer a student) that try to help education + grow (we do have a problem, they want us to solve their homework + completely), I can be contacted for this because I started the page, + Romanian (and I will translate the framework to English)<br> + <br> + Someone suggested I should add a 'powered by Mageia' but text is not + so eye catching.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br> + <pre cols="72">-- + +With respect, +Dan-Marian, Joiţa.</pre> </font></span></div></div> +<br>_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-marketing mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-marketing@mageia.org">Mageia-marketing@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</a><br> +<br></blockquote></div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/b1399b4a/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/b1399b4a/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1e10ad0e5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/b1399b4a/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,29 @@ +<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Joita Dan-Marian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:djmarian4u@hotmail.com" target="_blank">djmarian4u@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> + + +<div><div dir="ltr"> +Hi,<br> + <br> + I would like to have a mageia banner on my website, it can be + written in English. I can translate it in Romanian, i am a member of + the translation team.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Have a look at this thread: <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=83&p=14265">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=83&p=14265</a><br> +I have the xcf (Gimp source) files somewhere, so it shouldn't be too hard to get it in Romanian.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> +<div><div dir="ltr"> + <a href="http://www.famitemele.ro" target="_blank">www.famitemele.ro</a>, + some students (I am no longer a student) that try to help education + grow (we do have a problem, they want us to solve their homework + completely), I can be contacted for this because I started the page, + Romanian (and I will translate the framework to English)<br> + <br> + Someone suggested I should add a 'powered by Mageia' but text is not + so eye catching.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br> + <pre cols="72">-- + +With respect, +Dan-Marian, Joiţa.</pre> </font></span></div></div> +<br>_______________________________________________<br> +Mageia-marketing mailing list<br> +<a href="mailto:Mageia-marketing@mageia.org">Mageia-marketing@mageia.org</a><br> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</a><br> +<br></blockquote></div><br></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/dca318b7/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/dca318b7/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..58fa8b7e0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/dca318b7/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +<p>Few things, but as always, sorry for the top post. I only have my phone.</p> +<p>The name is irrelevant, and it sounding like "magic" also,this was the issues with the previous teams, to many fine details.</p> +<p>As for the leadership, I feel that each sub group should still have at least a coordinator, but there is still an overall leader who is responsible for the whole team. I nominate rda for this, with trish and max being the respective chair people.</p> + +<p>The wiki should still have sections devoted to each sub group, but generally linked from the atelier page. This not only keeps it neat but also reduces work.</p> +<p>The goals mga 3 should not be set high, having the core work that we need to do done with time for testing/checking will most likely be enough to keep us easily busy.</p> +<p>Finally, the implication that there are so few people in marcom and artwork that actually do anything is getting really annoying, I for one have seen many people, well 3 other than trish and seb working on the release texts, and artwork has many people that work behind scenes, they just aren't so vocal here but that doesn't mean that they don't work. While I realise that the release has been tough and stressful on many people and mageia isnt the only thing they need to deal with, but the in fighting and negative feel that has appeared recently must stop if this team is to grow and work together.</p> + +<p>I like thw idea of no meetings and working on stuff yourself, but we must keep people aware of what we are doing, artwork lost months because of this with choosing the background. </p> +<p><blockquote type="cite">On 11 Jun 2012 16:39, "Romain d'Alverny" <<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><p><font color="#500050">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Sebastian <<a href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br> +> Now imagine if I had ...</font></p>So say what you do in the project (shorter and to the point), not what<br> +the title says.<br> +<p><font color="#500050"><br>> Also Mageia may be a French distribution really, but Mageia exists in a tech<br>> world where people...</font></p>So what? It's a team _name_. "mageia" isn't English either. If _that_<br> + +keeps some people away, really, well, it's not a loss.<br> +<p><font color="#500050">_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-marketing mailing list<br>Mageia-marketing@magei...</font></p></blockquote></p> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/dca318b7/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/dca318b7/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..58fa8b7e0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/dca318b7/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +<p>Few things, but as always, sorry for the top post. I only have my phone.</p> +<p>The name is irrelevant, and it sounding like "magic" also,this was the issues with the previous teams, to many fine details.</p> +<p>As for the leadership, I feel that each sub group should still have at least a coordinator, but there is still an overall leader who is responsible for the whole team. I nominate rda for this, with trish and max being the respective chair people.</p> + +<p>The wiki should still have sections devoted to each sub group, but generally linked from the atelier page. This not only keeps it neat but also reduces work.</p> +<p>The goals mga 3 should not be set high, having the core work that we need to do done with time for testing/checking will most likely be enough to keep us easily busy.</p> +<p>Finally, the implication that there are so few people in marcom and artwork that actually do anything is getting really annoying, I for one have seen many people, well 3 other than trish and seb working on the release texts, and artwork has many people that work behind scenes, they just aren't so vocal here but that doesn't mean that they don't work. While I realise that the release has been tough and stressful on many people and mageia isnt the only thing they need to deal with, but the in fighting and negative feel that has appeared recently must stop if this team is to grow and work together.</p> + +<p>I like thw idea of no meetings and working on stuff yourself, but we must keep people aware of what we are doing, artwork lost months because of this with choosing the background. </p> +<p><blockquote type="cite">On 11 Jun 2012 16:39, "Romain d'Alverny" <<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><p><font color="#500050">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Sebastian <<a href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br> +> Now imagine if I had ...</font></p>So say what you do in the project (shorter and to the point), not what<br> +the title says.<br> +<p><font color="#500050"><br>> Also Mageia may be a French distribution really, but Mageia exists in a tech<br>> world where people...</font></p>So what? It's a team _name_. "mageia" isn't English either. If _that_<br> + +keeps some people away, really, well, it's not a loss.<br> +<p><font color="#500050">_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-marketing mailing list<br>Mageia-marketing@magei...</font></p></blockquote></p> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/e78cd829/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/e78cd829/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a8094a1ec --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/e78cd829/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Donald Stewart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com" target="_blank">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<p>Few things, but as always, sorry for the top post. I only have my phone.</p> +<p>The name is irrelevant, and it sounding like "magic" also,this was the issues with the previous teams, to many fine details.</p> +<p>As for the leadership, I feel that each sub group should still have at least a coordinator, but there is still an overall leader who is responsible for the whole team. I nominate rda for this, with trish and max being the respective chair people.</p> + + +<p>The wiki should still have sections devoted to each sub group, but generally linked from the atelier page. This not only keeps it neat but also reduces work.</p> +<p>The goals mga 3 should not be set high, having the core work that we need to do done with time for testing/checking will most likely be enough to keep us easily busy.</p> +<p>Finally, the implication that there are so few people in marcom and artwork that actually do anything is getting really annoying, I for one have seen many people, well 3 other than trish and seb working on the release texts, and artwork has many people that work behind scenes, they just aren't so vocal here but that doesn't mean that they don't work.</p> +</blockquote><div><br>You weren't in all those meetings that comprised of me, Tumbeliina and one other rotating person. They basically went like this: discuss something a little bit, decide what needs to get done, call for volunteer, silence.....<br> +When this pattern repeats itself time and time again, one can't help but get a certain feeling.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> +<p> While I realise that the release has been tough and stressful on many people and mageia isnt the only thing they need to deal with, but the in fighting and negative feel that has appeared recently must stop if this team is to grow and work together.</p> +</blockquote><div><br>I agree. But we should also learn from our past mistakes, that's why we make them.<br>Bringing up an issue is the first, and most important, step in learning from one's mistakes.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> + + +<p>I like thw idea of no meetings and working on stuff yourself, but we must keep people aware of what we are doing, artwork lost months because of this with choosing the background. </p></blockquote><div><br>Indeed.<br> +I think that a way for this to happen would for all the work being done be done on the Mageia servers, and each file contain a detailed history of who did what when. That way we can all pick and choose what we are working on, and at any given time know what anybody else is working on.<br> +Having never done this sort of work, I can't recommend any software that does this, but I have heard rumors of git and svn. Maybe one of them have the features we need.<br></div></div></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/e78cd829/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/e78cd829/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a8094a1ec --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/attachments/20120611/e78cd829/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Donald Stewart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com" target="_blank">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<p>Few things, but as always, sorry for the top post. I only have my phone.</p> +<p>The name is irrelevant, and it sounding like "magic" also,this was the issues with the previous teams, to many fine details.</p> +<p>As for the leadership, I feel that each sub group should still have at least a coordinator, but there is still an overall leader who is responsible for the whole team. I nominate rda for this, with trish and max being the respective chair people.</p> + + +<p>The wiki should still have sections devoted to each sub group, but generally linked from the atelier page. This not only keeps it neat but also reduces work.</p> +<p>The goals mga 3 should not be set high, having the core work that we need to do done with time for testing/checking will most likely be enough to keep us easily busy.</p> +<p>Finally, the implication that there are so few people in marcom and artwork that actually do anything is getting really annoying, I for one have seen many people, well 3 other than trish and seb working on the release texts, and artwork has many people that work behind scenes, they just aren't so vocal here but that doesn't mean that they don't work.</p> +</blockquote><div><br>You weren't in all those meetings that comprised of me, Tumbeliina and one other rotating person. They basically went like this: discuss something a little bit, decide what needs to get done, call for volunteer, silence.....<br> +When this pattern repeats itself time and time again, one can't help but get a certain feeling.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> +<p> While I realise that the release has been tough and stressful on many people and mageia isnt the only thing they need to deal with, but the in fighting and negative feel that has appeared recently must stop if this team is to grow and work together.</p> +</blockquote><div><br>I agree. But we should also learn from our past mistakes, that's why we make them.<br>Bringing up an issue is the first, and most important, step in learning from one's mistakes.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> + + +<p>I like thw idea of no meetings and working on stuff yourself, but we must keep people aware of what we are doing, artwork lost months because of this with choosing the background. </p></blockquote><div><br>Indeed.<br> +I think that a way for this to happen would for all the work being done be done on the Mageia servers, and each file contain a detailed history of who did what when. That way we can all pick and choose what we are working on, and at any given time know what anybody else is working on.<br> +Having never done this sort of work, I can't recommend any software that does this, but I have heard rumors of git and svn. 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