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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+<PRE>Hi Romain,
+
+&gt;<i> you could as well post this directly on marcom I guess.
+</I>
+And artwork (who will always get dragged into these things 8-))... we
+might even take it over to the Discuss list when we've got it a bit
+more together, what do you think?
+
+
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 22:04, Patricia Fraser
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; First, on the front page of the website when it comes off the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; announcement-day layout, I'd like to see a top-right box with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Please Contribute&quot; as the heading, and first after that should be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Please Donate&quot; with a link to the how-to page with all the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; progress reports; only after that the link to the &quot;Other Ways to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Contribute&quot; page.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'd like to put a little &quot;motto&quot; with the Please Donate link -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; something that changes every three or four days, just for fun.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (Can we do that easily?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On the home page, it really depends on the message this very page is
+</I>&gt;<i> supposed to bring.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But, complement to this, we need a few updates on:
+</I>&gt;<i> - the donation page (better showcase amount received, goal to reach
+</I>&gt;<i> and usage, in a graphical way; maybe make a better incentive to
+</I>&gt;<i> donate and providing an option to regularly donate);
+</I>&gt;<i> - this can be used to showcase the donation status around the place
+</I>&gt;<i> (home page, or footers here and there) with a motto or without.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Before reviving more the donation thing, we need to be able to show
+</I>&gt;<i> that we know how to handle this money; that means, public forecasts,
+</I>&gt;<i> records, activity and feedback, and actual use of what we have
+</I>&gt;<i> already (as for the 2011 forecast, we didn't receive more than 2k
+</I>&gt;<i> on the 20k we expect).
+</I>
+Okay, we can design that all together, I think - what goes on the
+front page and how it'll look, and where it will link to and what we
+want there.
+
+Following up on pledges is a bit of a different activity, but we
+could include a reminder on the Donations page - did you pledge?
+Now's the time to make good! or something like that.
+
+Feedback please!
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Second, I'd like to add a para to every second blog post from now
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; until the end of August - don't forget, you can help with money
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; too (or something like it), and a link to the Donations page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can add a permanent footer to blog posts; see bottom of this post
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2940-svn-flashback-product-roadmaps-are-dangerous">http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2940-svn-flashback-product-roadmaps-are-dangerous</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> for instance. These are good reminders.
+</I>
+Yes - that's a great idea.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Third, I'd like to carefully insert the possibility of people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; contributing money into *some* of the texts we send out to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; journalists - this is the one that's most sensitive, so feedback
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; please!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure what you mean here?
+</I>
+If we're asked (as for the Inquirer article) to put some words into
+someone else's article, do we want to add Donations as a way people
+can contribute?
+
+Cheers!
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
+52.4161N,16.9303E
+ma jun 6 22:56:38 CEST 2011
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>Hi Patricia,
+
+On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 23:03, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> you could as well post this directly on marcom I guess.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And artwork (who will always get dragged into these things 8-))... we
+</I>&gt;<i> might even take it over to the Discuss list when we've got it a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> more together, what do you think?
+</I>
+Ok, but before putting in the graphics and bigger discussion circles
+(not that it's bad), we need to square a bit things and extract clear
+&amp; short action items.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 22:04, Patricia Fraser
+</I>&gt;<i> Okay, we can design that all together, I think - what goes on the
+</I>&gt;<i> front page and how it'll look, and where it will link to and what we
+</I>&gt;<i> want there.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Following up on pledges is a bit of a different activity, but we
+</I>&gt;<i> could include a reminder on the Donations page - did you pledge?
+</I>&gt;<i> Now's the time to make good! or something like that.
+</I>
+Well, we already have the structure (see <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/donate/">http://mageia.org/en/donate/</A> ):
+ a. Teaser (not here, can be the title or a banner)
+ b. Why Donate?
+ c. How to track donation? (maybe to rephrase &quot;your money at work&quot;, to
+put as an aside section of the page and link to a separate page that
+does show detailed use of the money, in time and with the records -
+this would be an enhanced financial reports page, that we already
+have, see <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/about/reports/2011/">http://mageia.org/en/about/reports/2011/</A>)
+ d. Donate (actions that should be made more clear and enable regular,
+automatic donations)
+ e. Thank You page, listing who gave something.
+
+&gt;<i>From this, if we can automate the tracking/listing of donations, we
+</I>can build something more visual to publish on the front page, if
+needed. And that's where the artwork team is in (desiging a
+donation-meter for instance and/or the enhanced reports page).
+
+Automating the background app (logging donation amounts and donators)
+is in Dams basket already; that doesn't prevent from starting artwork
+and/or discuss for visualization (operational) mockups.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Second, I'd like to add a para to every second blog post from now
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; until the end of August - don't forget, you can help with money
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; too (or something like it), and a link to the Donations page.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We can add a permanent footer to blog posts; see bottom of this post
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2940-svn-flashback-product-roadmaps-are-dangerous">http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2940-svn-flashback-product-roadmaps-are-dangerous</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for instance. These are good reminders.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes - that's a great idea.
+</I>
+Ok. So apart from integrating it (and translating it), we need a set
+of items to put there:
+ - call to contribute
+ - call to donate
+ - call to download/use
+
+That's a job for you! ;-p
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Not sure what you mean here?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we're asked (as for the Inquirer article) to put some words into
+</I>&gt;<i> someone else's article, do we want to add Donations as a way people
+</I>&gt;<i> can contribute?
+</I>
+Ah yes. Sorry. Sure, of course. That's part of the game.
+
+Romain
+
+
+--
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+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/">http://mageia.org/</A> board &amp; council member
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+It's time to start having marcomm meetings again (at #mageia-marcomm
+on Freenode, in case you're not sure), now that Mageia 1 is out -
+I'm going to suggest 18:30 UTC on Thursday; if that time's bad for
+anyone, speak up!
+
+People from Artwork and Web-Team, please do join in if you can; if
+the proposed time doesn't suit, please let us know what would.
+
+For this meeting we need to do some catching up and some planning, so
+here are the topics:
+
+#1 - recap what we did/didn't achieve in the 9 months to release;
+what went well and what didn't;
+ - some of the Vision/Mission remains to be done; now that
+ we've got a better feel for our community, maybe we can
+ look at these things again;
+ - things like Colour Palette, style, visual branding remain
+ to be done - we need input and teamwork with Artwork and
+ Web Team for those.
+#2 - do some good brainstorming on what we need to do now, and start
+laying down some plans.
+
+Please start by putting some responses in to this thread on the
+marcomm list, so we can bring lots of topics to the IRC meeting. Once
+we've got something like a to-do list, we can put it up on the wiki
+and get cracking.
+
+See you there!
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
+52.4161N,16.9303E
+ma jun 6 23:19:05 CEST 2011
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+<PRE>2011/6/6 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rda at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We can add a permanent footer to blog posts; see bottom of this post
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2940-svn-flashback-product-roadmaps-are-dangerous">http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2940-svn-flashback-product-roadmaps-are-dangerous</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for instance. These are good reminders.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes - that's a great idea.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok. So apart from integrating it (and translating it), we need a set
+</I>&gt;<i> of items to put there:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- call to contribute
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- call to donate
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- call to download/use
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's a job for you! ;-p
+</I>
+Good idea - if you can do it in 2 lines (3 at most). More would be too pushing.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> If we're asked (as for the Inquirer article) to put some words into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> someone else's article, do we want to add Donations as a way people
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can contribute?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah yes. Sorry. Sure, of course. That's part of the game.
+</I>
+No, at least from all the articles I read over the last 10 years this
+would be very extraordinary. If the author asks for some words from us
+he wants a quote with an opinion, statement, information, whatever,
+but definitely not a donation rally. The only case I ever read such a
+quote was when Mandrakesoft went into chapter #11 and asked for help.
+
+But of course we can always ask the author to mention the fact that
+Mageia is running on donations and add the link to the donation page,
+he will surely include this in his article. I will :)
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>(this is a copy of the mail sent to the packagers mailing list mageia-dev. I'm
+sending it to the marcom team too because I thing that marcom people could be
+fit for the job)
+
+Hello to everyone,
+
+I'm sure there's someone among you who wants to help Mageia but hasn't found
+yet the good way to do it. Today is your lucky day, because there's a job
+that's available and can be really useful and interesting: coordinating the
+packagers mentoring program.
+
+You know that one key point of success for Mageia is in the ability to welcome
+new packagers. The better we will be at it, the better the distro will be. The
+packagers mentoring program has been created for that reason and several
+packagers have been or are being mentored. But we have some difficulty knowing
+who is being mentored by who and who hasn't found a mentor. And we need also
+to find more mentors and more apprentices.
+
+During a packagers weekly meeting, misc invited us to read the following
+article about mentoring programs in open-source projects:
+<A HREF="http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2011/05/31/effective-mentoring-programs/">http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2011/05/31/effective-mentoring-programs/</A>
+
+I invite those who haven't read it yet, to read it. I'll quote one of the
+mentoring best practices that were given: &quot;In bigger projects, keeping track
+of who is a mentor, and who is mentoring who, and inviting new mentors, and
+ensuring that no-one falls through the cracks when a mentor gets too busy, is
+a job of itself.&quot;
+
+I'm looking for someone who could fill that &quot;job&quot;.
+
+Description of the job:
+
+- keep track of:
+-- who's being mentored by who, how well it's going
+-- who needs a mentor and hasn't found one yet (this is one of the most
+important parts: no volunteer must be forgotten, volunteers are too precious
+!)
+-- who can mentor more apprentices (and sometimes convince packagers to become
+mentors or accept one more apprentice)
+
+- be available for questions from apprentices or mentors, by mail, and if
+possible, to be present on the IRC channel #mageia-mentoring on freenode
+
+- help mentors with gathering &quot;junior tasks&quot; (bugzilla is a never empty
+reserve that can be used for that. Maybe ask the bug triage team to help
+identify such tasks. Maybe a &quot;junior task&quot; keyword in bugzilla would do the
+trick)
+-- small bugs to fix
+-- new small packages to import in the distribution
+-- backports
+
+- promote mentoring (empower users into contributers. Working with the
+marketing team would be great I think):
+-- make the mentoring program known (MLs, forums, web, etc.)
+-- look for new apprentices
+-- look for new mentors
+
+Some useful skills:
+- be autonomous (ie no need to check that you're doing the work)
+- good written english (communication is very important in this job)
+- knowledge about packaging is a plus but not mandatory (the key aspects can
+be taught to you)
+- being or having been a mentor, or having been mentored would be a plus, but
+not mandatory
+
+More information about the job:
+- does not require a big amount of work, but real committment to the task and
+regularity
+- remember that you have a coordination role, not an authoritative role. The
+difference in that is that you're not here to give orders but to facilitate the
+mentoring program.
+- you don't have to be alone to do this job if it's too much for one person:
+you can find other helpful people wanting to help you if needed and rely on the
+other teams (but finding them is part of your job ;) ).
+- this &quot;job offer&quot; concerns everything that revolves around the mentoring of
+new packagers, but if it's successful maybe other teams can follow the same
+approach (i18n, QA, etc... ).
+- depending on your level of confidence, experience and will, you could be
+helped in your work. Maybe someone from the council can supervise and help you
+at least at the beginning; or, if no one steps up, I can help you bootstrap
+and organize your new &quot;job&quot;.
+
+So, who's in?
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+<PRE>Hi Stormi,
+
+&gt;<i> (this is a copy of the mail sent to the packagers mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-dev. I'm sending it to the marcom team too because I thing
+</I>&gt;<i> that marcom people could be fit for the job)
+</I>
+Thanks! I don't know how much response you'll get - there's only
+about 1.5 people active here at the moment... but if we can help with
+anything specific, let us know!
+
+Cheers,
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
+52.4161N,16.9303E
+zo jun 12 17:03:12 CEST 2011
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+andromeda up 6 hour(s), 35 min.
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+On 06/12/2011 08:04 AM, Patricia Fraser wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi Stormi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (this is a copy of the mail sent to the packagers mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia-dev. I'm sending it to the marcom team too because I thing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that marcom people could be fit for the job)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks! I don't know how much response you'll get - there's only
+</I>&gt;<i> about 1.5 people active here at the moment... but if we can help with
+</I>&gt;<i> anything specific, let us know!
+</I>
+I contacted several of the mentors listed on the wiki starting about six
+months ago to try and get involved and offer services and submit
+packages I maintain for other distros, two or three times.
+
+I got answers (if at all) like, &quot;My plate is full&quot;, &quot;I'll get back to
+you&quot; (a few times), etc. I've been idling in #mageia-mentoring to for
+many months.
+
+I also earmarked several packages on the wiki for me to provide the
+packaging services for - including MySQL and MariaDB and others.
+
+Never heard word one back. Not a peep. I gave up on it.
+
+So yes, a coordinator would be very good to have.
+
+
+- --
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+
+now that mageia 1 is out i think that marketing team should think about the
+direction and actions to make for mageia 2. i think these are the first steps
+that should be discussed:
+
+1) implementation (and improvement) of mageia ideas webiste or the use
+<A HREF="http://ideascale.com/">http://ideascale.com/</A> (depending on manpower and features of the different
+platform)
+
+2) use of mediawiki as soon as possible
+
+3) completation of <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan</A> by
+marketing team (this should contain only ideas and contributes from marketing
+people)
+
+4) add skype to the distro (italian users most wanted feaure)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154</A>
+
+5) rethinking of artwork (i don't like it at all, this should be also a work
+of the marketing team) and the role of marketing team beside dev team. (we can
+force dev team to implement new features? which role do we have?)
+
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+On 06/13/2011 02:37 AM, Marcello Anni wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) add skype to the distro (italian users most wanted feaure)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi Marcello,
+
+Those are all great ideas IMO, except for the one above. Not because it
+isn't a good idea (it is actually a good idea, but remember that Skype
+is ONLY a 32bit application, not a 64bit app - it requires multi-lib),
+but because it's a packaging issue, not a marketing issue.
+
+So wrt Skype, it's probably something to bring up in another arena/list,
+to ensure that your request is heard :)
+
+Kindest regards,
+
+
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+On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:37, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> now that mageia 1 is out i think that marketing team should think about the
+</I>&gt;<i> direction and actions to make for mageia 2.
+</I>
+Indeed! Please see and add your own (global) points to
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=brainstorm_2011">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=brainstorm_2011</A> . It's important to
+track the main topics there. Anne posted here a few hours ago about
+the release cycle discussion on -dev and it's already getting
+interesting :-)
+
+&gt;<i> 1) implementation (and improvement) of mageia ideas webiste or the use
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ideascale.com/">http://ideascale.com/</A> (depending on manpower and features of the different
+</I>&gt;<i> platform)
+</I>
+First is, what do you want to do with it, and how? and how could this
+be done (or not) with what we already have? (is it a one-time ideas
+site, for the current brainstorm session, or is it a all-times-long
+website?) I agree that an app like this is a great toold. But I also
+know from experience that having no clear plan of what is its role and
+who manages it is a sure recipe for ... misconceptions.
+
+&gt;<i> 5) rethinking of artwork (i don't like it at all,
+</I>
+Liking is not an argument. The question with artwork is first: what
+purpose/message does it serve? Does it fit or not, and why? Then, do
+we have the full chain of resources to implement it (creation,
+integration, updates)?
+
+&gt;<i> this should be also a work of the marketing team)
+</I>
+If we set up an artwork/designers team, there's a good reason for it.
+Collaboration is the keyword.
+
+&gt;<i> and the role of marketing team beside dev team. (we can
+</I>&gt;<i> force dev team to implement new features?
+</I>
+You can't - this is a volunteer project. Although you can design,
+explain, advocate features and find/gather/help devs to implement
+them.
+
+&gt;<i> which role do we have?)
+</I>
+As for giving strong directions, this is to the Council/Board to decide.
+
+On this part (deciding on the project's directions and implementations
+in other teams), the marketing team role is, at most, to provide
+elements, test/proof them - and if you get a go from the Council,
+advocate them, spread and help others spread them (in- and outside of
+the project).
+
+Cheers!
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+<PRE>Hi Marcello,
+
+Just before I respond to your points, you might like to take a look at the
+(updated yesterday) current to-do list on the marcomm wiki page - mainly
+because these tasks have been worked out by conferring with other council
+members, and they kind of fit into the general community-wide thrust.
+
+&gt;<i> 1) implementation (and improvement) of mageia ideas webiste or the use
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ideascale.com/">http://ideascale.com/</A> (depending on manpower and features of the different
+</I>&gt;<i> platform)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) use of mediawiki as soon as possible
+</I>
+These two (perhaps not exactly in the form you propose) is being discussed
+on the sysadmin and webteam lists already, I think. Do you sub to those
+lists?
+
+It's good to listen to what everyone in the community is saying about what
+might be done - that's kind of what council is partly about, to get the
+transverse communication going between teams.
+
+&gt;<i> 3) completation of <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> by marketing team (this should contain only ideas and contributes from
+</I>&gt;<i> marketing people)
+</I>
+I *still* think this is too soon. We're really only now beginning to
+develop enough as a community to know how we want to present ourselves.
+
+I also don't agree that *only* marketing should make contributions to the
+marketing plan - I'd like to see a variety of input, not least to help us
+identify our community's feelings about how we'd all like to be presented
+and marketed.
+
+&gt;<i> 4) add skype to the distro (italian users most wanted feaure)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154</A>
+</I>
+As Bradley says, this is probably not the right place to put this!
+
+&gt;<i> 5) rethinking of artwork (i don't like it at all, this should be also a
+</I>&gt;<i> work of the marketing team) and the role of marketing team beside dev
+</I>&gt;<i> team. (we can force dev team to implement new features? which role do we
+</I>&gt;<i> have?)
+</I>
+Hey, I don't think force has any place here... 8-)
+
+That said, check out the task list on the marcomm wiki page and the draft
+Mageia Style document in the Sandbox - I think that kind of covers this
+point. We'll be working closely with Artwork, and then with Webteam and
+the Discuss list (the whole community, in fact) to come to something that
+we're all as happy with as possible for our Visual Brand. As always, the
+Board will have the final say.
+
+And Marcello, it would be great to see you on IRC sometime - when on a
+Thursday can you make it?
+
+Cheers!
+
+--
+Patricia Fraser
+on the move
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1) implementation (and improvement) of mageia ideas webiste or the use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://ideascale.com/">http://ideascale.com/</A> (depending on manpower and features of the different
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; platform)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First is, what do you want to do with it, and how? and how could this
+</I>&gt;<i> be done (or not) with what we already have? (is it a one-time ideas
+</I>&gt;<i> site, for the current brainstorm session, or is it a all-times-long
+</I>&gt;<i> website?) I agree that an app like this is a great toold. But I also
+</I>&gt;<i> know from experience that having no clear plan of what is its role and
+</I>&gt;<i> who manages it is a sure recipe for ... misconceptions.
+</I>
+i would like to set it as the main place where to discuss new ideas and
+proposals to implement in the next releases... i think it should be:
+- all-times-long website
+- full feature (negative votes, many maintainers and many release-targets)
+- basis point to create new development specs
+- responsabilities (ideas assigned and so on)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 5) rethinking of artwork (i don't like it at all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Liking is not an argument. The question with artwork is first: what
+</I>&gt;<i> purpose/message does it serve? Does it fit or not, and why? Then, do
+</I>&gt;<i> we have the full chain of resources to implement it (creation,
+</I>&gt;<i> integration, updates)?
+</I>
+i explained in various places why i don't like it, i resume my reasons:
+- not original
+- too dark
+- artwork pieces are too similar each other
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this should be also a work of the marketing team)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we set up an artwork/designers team, there's a good reason for it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Collaboration is the keyword.
+</I>
+ok, but i've written my reasons in artwork ML but no one listened me...
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and the role of marketing team beside dev team. (we can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; force dev team to implement new features?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can't - this is a volunteer project. Although you can design,
+</I>&gt;<i> explain, advocate features and find/gather/help devs to implement
+</I>&gt;<i> them.
+</I>
+
+so what are the goals of the brainstorming session if no one is forced to work
+on them? can we have at least a sort of promise of developers who want to
+listen to the marketing key points we chose to improve the distro? otherwise
+this project will not ever raise in linux market but it will remain only a
+ANOTHER-ONE fork with no direction... if we chose as a target &quot;newbies&quot; and we
+think they do need a short guide shortly after the installation, but no one
+will implement (as it was for mandriva), what is our role other than giving
+proposals to others and preparing release notes? this is not a marketing team,
+you're wrong. this is a &quot;comunication team&quot;, that is completely different
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which role do we have?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As for giving strong directions, this is to the Council/Board to decide.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On this part (deciding on the project's directions and implementations
+</I>&gt;<i> in other teams), the marketing team role is, at most, to provide
+</I>&gt;<i> elements, test/proof them - and if you get a go from the Council,
+</I>&gt;<i> advocate them, spread and help others spread them (in- and outside of
+</I>&gt;<i> the project).
+</I>
+this is what we already did in mandriva, without no results... my ideas are on
+dev specs since years but they've never been implemented. so, why have i to
+lost my time proposing stuff that no one will listen to it? it' clear that
+developers have completely different attitude towards new features, we can
+trust only in them, but there should be a respective trust among marketing-
+team /dev-team unless the project future can be summarize in a word:
+ABANDONED.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hi Marcello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just before I respond to your points, you might like to take a look at the
+</I>&gt;<i> (updated yesterday) current to-do list on the marcomm wiki page - mainly
+</I>&gt;<i> because these tasks have been worked out by conferring with other council
+</I>&gt;<i> members, and they kind of fit into the general community-wide thrust.
+</I>
+i see it now, it's said that the main point is &quot;Building a visual brand for
+Mageia&quot;, that work is for artwork-team (maybe with our support), but CAN'T be
+our work. i don't know which skills do the marketing team have, but i study
+economics and i don't see any element that marketing should take in charge of.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1) implementation (and improvement) of mageia ideas webiste or the use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://ideascale.com/">http://ideascale.com/</A> (depending on manpower and features of the different
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; platform)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2) use of mediawiki as soon as possible
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These two (perhaps not exactly in the form you propose) is being discussed
+</I>&gt;<i> on the sysadmin and webteam lists already, I think. Do you sub to those
+</I>&gt;<i> lists?
+</I>
+i sub them quite often, but it's since a lot of time i hear about work on the
+wiki but until now i don't see any concrete results (saying this i don't want
+to give the fault to developers and systeam, i know they're overloaded). i
+didn't manage to speak directly to them to have news, it's for this reason
+that i ask to you on this list (also to avoid another loss of time for them)
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's good to listen to what everyone in the community is saying about what
+</I>&gt;<i> might be done - that's kind of what council is partly about, to get the
+</I>&gt;<i> transverse communication going between teams.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3) completation of <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; by marketing team (this should contain only ideas and contributes from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; marketing people)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I *still* think this is too soon. We're really only now beginning to
+</I>&gt;<i> develop enough as a community to know how we want to present ourselves.
+</I>
+you're totally wrong. a business plan and a marketing plan are the first things
+to be done in EVERY long-term project, we can't attract new users and
+developers if it's not clear who we are and where we want to go, and how we
+want to go.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also don't agree that *only* marketing should make contributions to the
+</I>&gt;<i> marketing plan - I'd like to see a variety of input, not least to help us
+</I>&gt;<i> identify our community's feelings about how we'd all like to be presented
+</I>&gt;<i> and marketed.
+</I>
+the general contributions should be inserted in the mageia-ideas webiste (?),
+the contribution in the action plan is not a list of features, but a list of
+key-features that are useful to reach the global goals the project gave to
+itself. it must be a work of skilled people (as in the developers team work
+skilled people and so on)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4) add skype to the distro (italian users most wanted feaure)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As Bradley says, this is probably not the right place to put this!
+</I>
+this is related to my above thought. this is not only a package request, this
+is related to our promises to the users:
+
+- We will strive for ease of use (Values)
+- Have your fully-working system up and running really fast! (for you -
+mageia1)
+- We can make this better for developers and users. We can be a better place
+to nurture open source technologies.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 5) rethinking of artwork (i don't like it at all, this should be also a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; work of the marketing team) and the role of marketing team beside dev
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; team. (we can force dev team to implement new features? which role do we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hey, I don't think force has any place here... 8-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That said, check out the task list on the marcomm wiki page and the draft
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Style document in the Sandbox - I think that kind of covers this
+</I>&gt;<i> point. We'll be working closely with Artwork, and then with Webteam and
+</I>&gt;<i> the Discuss list (the whole community, in fact) to come to something that
+</I>&gt;<i> we're all as happy with as possible for our Visual Brand. As always, the
+</I>&gt;<i> Board will have the final say.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And Marcello, it would be great to see you on IRC sometime - when on a
+</I>&gt;<i> Thursday can you make it?
+</I>
+as i said many times, i study outside my town, and there i have no connections
+(and no time) available, because i must prepare my exams... the only time i
+was available i got ill, anyway this is not so important because i'm working
+on a long-term vision, that doesn't needs frequent meets.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Patricia Fraser
+</I>&gt;<i> on the move
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>Hi Marcello,
+
+On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 15:24, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> so what are the goals of the brainstorming session if no one is forced to work
+</I>&gt;<i> on them?
+</I>
+First, let's make sure we agree on what brainstorming is about:
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstorming#Osborn.27s_method">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstorming#Osborn.27s_method</A>
+
+&gt;<i>From that can emerge good, actionable things, to discuss/spec further
+</I>and that enough people can commit to and produce. Unless this last
+condition is met, a track/idea won't result in anything; that's part
+of the game.
+
+&gt;<i> can we have at least a sort of promise of developers who want to
+</I>&gt;<i> listen to the marketing key points we chose to improve the distro?
+</I>
+If you can't convince them of the relevance and benefits of your idea,
+you will either have nothing at all, or something that is not properly
+done (and don't expect things to be done in one single row).
+
+&gt;<i> if we chose as a target &quot;newbies&quot; and we think they do need a short guide shortly
+</I>&gt;<i> after the installation, but no one will implement (as it was for mandriva),
+</I>
+Why don't you start to build it and advocate it in a small circle to
+build it further and submit it then?
+
+&gt;<i> what is our role other than giving proposals to others and preparing release notes?
+</I>
+Already answered in my previous mail, but apparently, you don't
+understand that in a volunteer project, what gets done are things that
+drive enough people to commit their time to it. Getting an
+idea/concept approved/supported by the Council is a minimal step to go
+through, but is not even mandatory. Getting supported/executed by
+people that understand and want this thing done is an obviously
+required step: that's kind of a first reality check.
+
+&gt;<i> this is not a marketing team, you're wrong. this is a &quot;comunication team&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> that is completely different
+</I>
+Communicating/discussing ideas is a good thing to master before
+thinking/designing through new ones, no?
+
+So, both are closely working together (hence the mar'comm' team). As
+for marketing per se, it should grow through the whole project, and
+the most important task of the marketing team is maybe to
+advocate/educate this through all other teams (as is the role of every
+other team to spread its own particular bits around).
+
+&gt;<i> my ideas are on dev specs since years but they've never been implemented.
+</I>&gt;<i> so, why have i to lost my time proposing stuff that no one will listen to it?
+</I>
+Ideas and proposals are nothing without action (which presupose
+agreement and understanding). It's good to have ideas. But don't blame
+others for not succeeding (yet) in transforming them into reality
+(don't blame you either, just try different or harder).
+
+&gt;<i> there should be a respective trust among marketing- team /dev-team
+</I>&gt;<i> unless the project future can be summarize in a word:
+</I>&gt;<i> ABANDONED.
+</I>
+If you don't take the time to know people, their motivations, to work
+with them, to advocate, discuss, contradict, deconstruct, re-build
+your views, to say no sometimes, to experiment, you won't cross the
+bridge going from your wishes to reality.
+
+Trusting you is not enough a reason to do what you say, or dismiss my
+own priorities regarding a limited resource (time); that's as valid in
+a volunteer context as in a corporate one (only, few people will admit
+it before it's too late).
+
+So the best you can do is: take your time, focus on one thing you want
+to do, build it - and if you need someone to help you, take the time
+to find this person and explain why it's important to build it.
+
+Just don't expect anyone to follow what you say just because you are
+this or that (age, position, title, achievements, whatever).
+
+Cheers!
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 15:44, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> you're totally wrong. a business plan and a marketing plan are the first things
+</I>&gt;<i> to be done in EVERY long-term project,
+</I>
+A plan is useful as long as the world it was designed in doesn't
+change; and strong as long as people who can act on it support it.
+
+&gt;<i> we can't attract new users and developers if it's not clear who we are and
+</I>&gt;<i> where we want to go, and how we want to go.
+</I>
+The goal is not users in themselves; growing these is a (very nice)
+by-product. The goal is building things that are useful, nice and
+original to us and others; while having fun, trust and pride in the
+process.
+
+&gt;<i> [... Skype]
+</I>&gt;<i> this is related to my above thought. this is not only a package request, this
+</I>&gt;<i> is related to our promises to the users:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - We will strive for ease of use (Values)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Have your fully-working system up and running really fast! &#160;(for you -
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia1)
+</I>&gt;<i> - We can make this better for developers and users. We can be a better place
+</I>&gt;<i> to nurture open source technologies.
+</I>
+How is Skype going to address these? (proprietary technology, with
+debatable quality and core trust issues, notwithstanding its future
+now that it's been acquired)
+
+&gt;<i> anyway this is not so important because i'm working
+</I>&gt;<i> on a long-term vision, that doesn't needs frequent meets.
+</I>
+Dismissing weekly, regular points of contacts for the sake of
+long-term vision is out of perspective. You will only bring ideas, not
+much more, if you can't discuss, follow on what happens in day-to-day
+life and build the contexts needed to make these happen.
+
+Romain
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+I have been following this thread and was inclined to join in, but
+each time Trish and/or Romain have written what I was going to say,
+only in much better style!
+
+One thing:
+Aside from the board there is but one section of the whole project
+able to force other sections: the dev-team (incuding packagers and
+sysadmins) if what they say is based on technical reasoning/facts.
+
+This being a community work we all can offer our ideas but we also
+have to be ready to convince others of the benefits of our ideas -
+that is the only force we can apply. We can only do that by
+communicating as often as possible, discuss, listen (ideally more than
+talk).
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+--
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Just as a side note:
+</I>&gt;<i> I have been following this thread and was inclined to join in, but
+</I>&gt;<i> each time Trish and/or Romain have written what I was going to say,
+</I>&gt;<i> only in much better style!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One thing:
+</I>&gt;<i> Aside from the board there is but one section of the whole project
+</I>&gt;<i> able to force other sections: the dev-team (incuding packagers and
+</I>&gt;<i> sysadmins) if what they say is based on technical reasoning/facts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This being a community work we all can offer our ideas but we also
+</I>&gt;<i> have to be ready to convince others of the benefits of our ideas -
+</I>&gt;<i> that is the only force we can apply. We can only do that by
+</I>&gt;<i> communicating as often as possible, discuss, listen (ideally more
+</I>&gt;<i> than talk).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks Wobo, and Romain, for nice clarity!
+
+When we first started the marketing team with Yorick, it seemed like
+we were trying to do the marketing plan ahead of the community
+development - telling them how to be, in effect - and the community
+(unsurprisingly) told Yorick (and by extension the rest of us) just
+exactly how they felt about *that*.
+
+I've since come all the way round to see that any marketing plan has
+to grow out of the community's wishes for where it will go; so I
+think we'll maybe be able to revisit it, in a year's time when we've
+got at least one more release notch on the Community Tally-Stick. We
+might even see that the only marketing plan we need is those Core
+Values...
+
+Tasks, however - there are always lots of those. Making the release
+public; encouraging people to become part of the community; starting
+discussions like the visual branding one; participating in the
+forward-thinking discussions over on Discuss and Devel - and as you
+say, listening, listening, listening.
+
+Comunication - great, ain't it?
+
+Cheers,
+
+--
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tasks, however - there are always lots of those. Making the release
+</I>&gt;<i> public; encouraging people to become part of the community; starting
+</I>&gt;<i> discussions like the visual branding one; participating in the
+</I>&gt;<i> forward-thinking discussions over on Discuss and Devel - and as you
+</I>&gt;<i> say, listening, listening, listening.
+</I>
+Not to forget the practical tasks of a marketing dept. like preparing
+demos, and other things for events, creating marketing stuff (fan
+articles), etc.
+(you know I had to add that!)
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+&gt;<i> 2011/6/13 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Tasks, however - there are always lots of those. Making the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; release public; encouraging people to become part of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; community; starting discussions like the visual branding one;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; participating in the forward-thinking discussions over on Discuss
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and Devel - and as you say, listening, listening, listening.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not to forget the practical tasks of a marketing dept. like
+</I>&gt;<i> preparing demos, and other things for events, creating marketing
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff (fan articles), etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> (you know I had to add that!)
+</I>
+8-) There's always a parade somewhere needing to be rained on...
+yes...
+
+
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+I want to do some proposals for banners in the next time. Do there
+already exists some short writings that I can use for banners?
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+Greetings,
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+<PRE>Hi Thorsten,
+
+&gt;<i> I want to do some proposals for banners in the next time. Do there
+</I>&gt;<i> already exists some short writings that I can use for banners?
+</I>
+Somewhere or another is the banner that Damien used a while back -
+I'll see if I can find it. The text for that one was French.
+
+If you can do a layout, with space blocked out for text, we can
+always add text as needed - it might be different text for different
+occasions. What do you think? You could also block out heading and
+image spaces, if you want.
+
+The good thing about changeable text is that it allows for different
+languages... 8-)
+
+I'll look forward to seeing your proposals!
+
+Cheers,
+
+
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+<PRE>Am Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011, 21:02:18 schrieb Patricia Fraser:
+&gt;<i> If you can do a layout, with space blocked out for text, we can
+</I>&gt;<i> always add text as needed - it might be different text for different
+</I>&gt;<i> occasions. What do you think? You could also block out heading and
+</I>&gt;<i> image spaces, if you want.
+</I>
+Hey Trish,
+
+was doing this very first draft:
+<A HREF="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jCchgw1ZvL6BndBnjk43RMWFIzFZ2BaC21XF10gWwzE?feat=directlink">https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jCchgw1ZvL6BndBnjk43RMWFIzFZ2BaC21XF10gWwzE?feat=directlink</A>
+Of course the text is editable. The artwork team will probably have access to
+ftp or something similar where we can archive our stuff.
+
+
+However, I guess we have to think about a whole font like in the logo. Because
+the different fonts in one work will always look glitchy.
+
+I never did a font. Alex made the font of the logo but I can't reach him :-/
+
+Greetings,
+Thorsten
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+
+&gt;<i> was doing this very first draft:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jCchgw1ZvL6BndBnjk43RMWFIzFZ2BaC21XF10gWwzE?feat=directlink">https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jCchgw1ZvL6BndBnjk43RMWFIzFZ2BaC21XF10gWwzE?feat=directlink</A>
+</I>
+Aha!
+
+&gt;<i> Of course the text is editable. The artwork team will probably have
+</I>&gt;<i> access to ftp or something similar where we can archive our stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, I guess we have to think about a whole font like in the
+</I>&gt;<i> logo. Because the different fonts in one work will always look
+</I>&gt;<i> glitchy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I never did a font. Alex made the font of the logo but I can't
+</I>&gt;<i> reach him :-/
+</I>
+I wonder, did he make the whole font, or only the letters for the
+word mageia? If he only made the letters (which is likely), then we
+will always need to use a different font for text.
+
+The font choice is part of the Style set of decisions, so if the text
+is editable, then it can be changed to whatever we all decide.
+
+I wonder whether the variation in the fonts would be less obvious, if
+there was more white space on the poster? If the background was
+white, and you used colours rather than images to break up the layout?
+
+Just my 2c...
+
+Cheers!
+
+--
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+On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 23:10, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> However, I guess we have to think about a whole font like in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> logo. Because the different fonts in one work will always look
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> glitchy.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I never did a font. Alex made the font of the logo but I can't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reach him :-/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder, did he make the whole font, or only the letters for the
+</I>&gt;<i> word mageia? If he only made the letters (which is likely), then we
+</I>&gt;<i> will always need to use a different font for text.
+</I>
+He did it for the logo and I believe he started to do the whole font,
+but there was no concrete clue for that. We can still keep this as a
+long term project (and open a bug for that). Designing a full font is
+quite a lot of work.
+
+&gt;<i> The font choice is part of the Style set of decisions, so if the text
+</I>&gt;<i> is editable, then it can be changed to whatever we all decide.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder whether the variation in the fonts would be less obvious, if
+</I>&gt;<i> there was more white space on the poster? If the background was
+</I>&gt;<i> white, and you used colours rather than images to break up the layout?
+</I>
+Look at www.mageia.org/ CSS style font definitions (I can extract
+these for better access if you like). These fonts have been chosen to
+articulate with each other and the logo too - at least, that's a
+start.
+
+cheers!
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>Am Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011, 23:24:48 schrieb Romain d'Alverny:
+&gt;<i> He did it for the logo and I believe he started to do the whole font,
+</I>&gt;<i> but there was no concrete clue for that. We can still keep this as a
+</I>&gt;<i> long term project (and open a bug for that). Designing a full font is
+</I>&gt;<i> quite a lot of work.
+</I>
+Yes it is :)
+Here is my current work:
+<A HREF="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/X92nA1iThQv3Om3EHNiPCMWFIzFZ2BaC21XF10gWwzE?feat=directlink">https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/X92nA1iThQv3Om3EHNiPCMWFIzFZ2BaC21XF10gWwzE?feat=directlink</A>
+
+Some of them of course need some fine tunning but ... if Alex isn' reacting,
+this is best we can get, I think.
+
+Regards,
+Thorsten
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/6/13 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Tasks, however - there are always lots of those. Making the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; release public; encouraging people to become part of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; community; starting discussions like the visual branding one;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; participating in the forward-thinking discussions over on Discuss
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; and Devel - and as you say, listening, listening, listening.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Not to forget the practical tasks of a marketing dept. like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; preparing demos, and other things for events, creating marketing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stuff (fan articles), etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (you know I had to add that!)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 8-) There's always a parade somewhere needing to be rained on...
+</I>&gt;<i> yes...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+ok, i will answer to (the most) of your replies by a single e-mail....
+
+@ romain (first)
+
+ok, i understand, but this way you're saying this is only a comunication team.
+In a few words:
+
+* comunication-&gt;promote, comunicate about the project
+* marketing-&gt; attention to the users, rethinking of the project, long-term
+vision about the project and the products, target-oriented.
+
+you're saying we will have a brainstorming session, that will bring a list of
+ideas and we must advocate them (personally) to implement them. This is not
+marketing, i'm not saying is wrong, but it's not marketing and this will
+prevent the project to have a long-term vision and a group of dedicated people
+that work on the whole project (see my proposals).
+
+i will try to advocate my proposals personally but i can do it only in my
+spare time (that it's not much), a marketing-plan (updated often) supported by
+the council since its long-term vision to the action plan would have a
+stronger impact on the results...
+
+@ romain (second)
+
+&gt;<i>How is Skype going to address these? (proprietary technology, with
+</I>&gt;<i>debatable quality and core trust issues, notwithstanding its future
+</I>&gt;<i>now that it's been acquired)
+</I>
+this is one reason that explains why i would like a structured plan that will
+guarantee the goals of the project... how can we see &quot;For people&quot; when a lot
+of people use it and asks for it in the repos? what is the balance between
+&quot;for people&quot;-&quot;open source&quot;? a plan is thought for these reasons, and the
+action plan is needed to adapt the project to the long-term vision, if anyone
+will act by himself (and mabye opposite to others) the project will remain
+only another fork, whatever things you say....
+
+
+@ wobo
+
+there are things that are not motivated by technical reasons, but marketing
+reasons... it's quite difficult to advocate to a developer one thing he s not
+interested in... without considering that 10 marketing people should mean tons
+of e-mails to the developers to convince them to implement their features...
+
+@ patricia
+
+&gt;<i>When we first started the marketing team with Yorick, it seemed like
+</I>&gt;<i>we were trying to do the marketing plan ahead of the community
+</I>&gt;<i>development - telling them how to be, in effect - and the community
+</I>&gt;<i>(unsurprisingly) told Yorick (and by extension the rest of us) just
+</I>&gt;<i>exactly how they felt about *that*.
+</I>
+and so why anyone told me the plan wasn't requested instead of letting me
+working on it?
+
+
+&gt;<i>Tasks, however - there are always lots of those. Making the release
+</I>&gt;<i>public; encouraging people to become part of the community; starting
+</I>&gt;<i>discussions like the visual branding one; participating in the
+</I>&gt;<i>forward-thinking discussions over on Discuss and Devel - and as you
+</I>&gt;<i>say, listening, listening, listening.
+</I>
+ok, but this is done by every linux project (even community-driven), why do
+you think our is the best one? because we're working on it? the fact is that
+we will remain only a one of the various fork, weaking the whole linux
+community furthermore....
+
+
+My conclusions are: i'm really disappointed about the direction of marketing
+team, i've decided to leave mandriva proper because i've found more interest
+about it in mageia than in mandriva ( i remember many lacks in MUG and in
+customer support, for istance), i will propose my ideas and i will try to
+advocate them, but now it's clear to me that the great changes of mageia are
+not other than words. in fact we're managed by a group of people (without
+power?) and developers that could implement the lacking features in mandriva
+instead of creating a new fork (has mandriva ever not allowed contributors to
+implement their favourite features?) and spending all this huge energy (and
+time).
+
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+I lost track of all the ideas which were written in mails so far, so I
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+&gt;<i> Pls see <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=568">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=568</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I lost track of all the ideas which were written in mails so far, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> am not sure if this was already proposed.
+</I>
+This is a *brilliant* idea. I wonder if we could have a forum group called
+&quot;Mageia Saves the Day&quot; and encourage people to post there? Then we could
+put a few recent ones on the website and add a link...
+
+Thanks Wobo!
+
+--
+Patricia Fraser
+on the move
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pls see <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=568">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=568</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I lost track of all the ideas which were written in mails so far, so I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> am not sure if this was already proposed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a *brilliant* idea. I wonder if we could have a forum group called
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia Saves the Day&quot; and encourage people to post there? Then we could
+</I>&gt;<i> put a few recent ones on the website and add a link...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks Wobo!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+What about a special page (like a guestbook) &quot;Stories with Mageia ...&quot;
+where they can post without a registration etc.?
+
+Greetings
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+&gt;<i> Am 16.06.2011 15:09, schrieb Patricia Fraser:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Pls see <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=568">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=568</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I lost track of all the ideas which were written in mails so far, so I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> am not sure if this was already proposed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is a *brilliant* idea. I wonder if we could have a forum group called
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia Saves the Day&quot; and encourage people to post there? Then we could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> put a few recent ones on the website and add a link...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks Wobo!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about a special page (like a guestbook) &quot;Stories with Mageia ...&quot; where
+</I>&gt;<i> they can post without a registration etc.?
+</I>
+This is one way, another option may be to start with some stories
+gathered in the forum and then add a &quot;Send in Your Mageia Success
+story!&quot;, which opens a contact form the user can fill in without
+having to register - contents to be forwarded to an editor (or team)
+who will put it online on the page. This could be easily set in place
+with Wordpress.
+
+It could be done in a semi-automatic way (like comments to blogs) but
+I'd prefer to put some manual work into such a page, if handled with
+care it can be an important asset, if handled without any care it may
+even give a negative impression.
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> Am 16.06.2011 15:09, schrieb Patricia Fraser:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Pls see <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=568">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=568</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I lost track of all the ideas which were written in mails so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; far, so I am not sure if this was already proposed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is a *brilliant* idea. I wonder if we could have a forum
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; group called &quot;Mageia Saves the Day&quot; and encourage people to post
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; there? Then we could put a few recent ones on the website and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; add a link...
+</I>Good idea, let's see how long it needs to get this sub forum :/
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about a special page (like a guestbook) &quot;Stories with Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> ...&quot; where they can post without a registration etc.?
+</I>How fast can you run, when any of the sysadmins read this? :D
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+&gt;<i> &gt; What about a special page (like a guestbook) &quot;Stories with Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ...&quot; where they can post without a registration etc.?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How fast can you run, when any of the sysadmins read this? :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Pff, I'm not chicken-hearted. I will calm them with my charm ... and
+tonnes of chocolate probably :D
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+&gt;<i> Am 16.06.2011 15:21, schrieb Oliver Burger:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; ...&quot; where they can post without a registration etc.?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How fast can you run, when any of the sysadmins read this? :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pff, I'm not chicken-hearted. I will calm them with my charm ...
+</I>&gt;<i> and tonnes of chocolate probably :D
+</I>
+Stay away from public places with big fires in the middle :D
+
+No, coming to the point. Some kind of form - like Wobo described -
+could be done relatively simple I think.
+We could make it send text-only data via mail to people in charge
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+I would recommend not using any automatism without moderators, because
+that way we might open our website to rubbish (and give some people
+heart attacks).
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thorsten van Lil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt; schrieb am 16.06.2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 16.06.2011 15:21, schrieb Oliver Burger:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; ...&quot; where they can post without a registration etc.?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; How fast can you run, when any of the sysadmins read this? :D
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pff, I'm not chicken-hearted. I will calm them with my charm ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and tonnes of chocolate probably :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Stay away from public places with big fires in the middle :D
+</I>
+I learned the french prefer constructions with sharp blades...
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, coming to the point. Some kind of form - like Wobo described - could be done relatively simple I think.
+</I>&gt;<i> We could make it send text-only data via mail to people in charge (marcomm?).
+</I>&gt;<i> I would recommend not using any automatism without moderators, because that way we might open our website to rubbish (and give some people heart attacks).
+</I>
+That was the idea.
+
+~~
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+&gt;<i> Am Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011, 23:24:48 schrieb Romain d'Alverny:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> He did it for the logo and I believe he started to do the whole font,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but there was no concrete clue for that. We can still keep this as a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> long term project (and open a bug for that). Designing a full font is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> quite a lot of work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes it is :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is my current work:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/X92nA1iThQv3Om3EHNiPCMWFIzFZ2BaC21XF10gWwzE?feat=directlink">https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/X92nA1iThQv3Om3EHNiPCMWFIzFZ2BaC21XF10gWwzE?feat=directlink</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some of them of course need some fine tunning but ... if Alex isn' reacting,
+</I>&gt;<i> this is best we can get, I think.
+</I>
+Looks great, congrats!
+
+Do you use a font builder tool to help you design these? like
+fontforge, or something else? would help adjust and spot the little
+details.
+
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 23:37, Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011, 23:24:48 schrieb Romain d'Alverny:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> He did it for the logo and I believe he started to do the whole font,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but there was no concrete clue for that. We can still keep this as a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> long term project (and open a bug for that). Designing a full font is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> quite a lot of work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes it is :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is my current work:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/X92nA1iThQv3Om3EHNiPCMWFIzFZ2BaC21XF10gWwzE?feat=directlink">https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/X92nA1iThQv3Om3EHNiPCMWFIzFZ2BaC21XF10gWwzE?feat=directlink</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some of them of course need some fine tunning but ... if Alex isn' reacting,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this is best we can get, I think.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks great, congrats!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you use a font builder tool to help you design these? like
+</I>&gt;<i> fontforge, or something else? would help adjust and spot the little
+</I>&gt;<i> details.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+For the moment I did those with Inkscape. I used the letters of the
+mageia logo and modified them to new letters. I thought to import them
+in fontforge later. Do you think it's better/easier to jump to it now?
+
+Thorsten
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+&gt;<i> Am 17.06.2011 17:16, schrieb Romain d'Alverny:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you use a font builder tool to help you design these? like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fontforge, or something else? would help adjust and spot the little
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> details.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the moment I did those with Inkscape. I used the letters of the mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> logo and modified them to new letters. I thought to import them in fontforge
+</I>&gt;<i> later. Do you think it's better/easier to jump to it now?
+</I>
+Easier, I don't know :-) but better, for sure. It will help to adjust
+current glyphs and better design the next ones, while getting a sense
+of what can be improved (and exporting them to standard font files to
+test them).
+
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+
+somebody posted another press review about Mga1 in the forums. Here
+you are:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/06/18/mageia-1-0-review/">http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/06/18/mageia-1-0-review/</A>
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+
+I found it an useful review. I learn something new. I learn about the
+filesystem NILFS. I agree with the writer only fuly functional programmes
+should be in the Mageia distribution. Better to have less programmes in the
+repositories and working well than have a lot of crap packages. It is very
+frustating to have programmes which are not usable very well.
+I disagree with the point to abandon the CD-release. There should a
+CD-release available. Perhaps a CD-release with the XFCE-desktop. I prefer
+this desktop-environment above GNOME, because the great tool mass renaming
+in Thunar file manager. I also like E17, because it is very customizable.
+There should come metapackages for example multimedia-support with all the
+codecs and necessary plugins for Firefox, Chromium browser and other
+browsers integrated in it.
+
+GReetz,
+
+Zwikkle
+
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i> Today's Topics:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Another review for the list (Oliver Burger)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 1
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:30:19 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: [Mageia-marketing] Another review for the list
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">201106191930.19251.oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Trish (hi others),
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> somebody posted another press review about Mga1 in the forums. Here
+</I>&gt;<i> you are:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/06/18/mageia-1-0-review/">http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/06/18/mageia-1-0-review/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+
+I did finally succeed in uploading my self made Apekozzi font on the
+internet.
+It is originally for the use of book shelves of 2 centimetres in height. But
+this font
+is available for free for Mageia users. It is my contribution to the Mageia
+distribution and community.
+
+Greetz,
+
+Zwikkle
+
+website to see the Apekozzi font for yourself:
+
+<A HREF="http://inkscapestuff.org/CONTENT/content-files/142905-apekozzi%20font%202011-05%20.svg">http://inkscapestuff.org/CONTENT/content-files/142905-apekozzi%20font%202011-05%20.svg</A>
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+<PRE>I'm sending this to both lists because it is related to both teams.
+
+Hi,
+
+I will send an article away tomorrow evening to German print magazine
+LinuxUser. They will publish a cover DVD with mageia along with the
+article in their next issue. As discussed at Linuxtag Berlin the
+editor offered to produce an extra batch of 1000 DVDs (with the
+magazine's branding) and give it to us costfree. This was discusssed
+with Anne and Romain at Linuxtag Berlin.
+
+Now the editor needs an official label and a high res complete logo -
+to be sent to him tomorrow night.
+
+1. Do we already have such an official label? If so pls point me to
+the EPS file. If not, would it be possible to have one until tomorrow?
+
+2. Do we have a high resolution EPS file of the official logo (for
+publications in print magazines)? If so pls point me to the file, if
+not, is it possible to get one - this is important to have our logo on
+the DVD labels and in the magazine.
+
+--
+Cheers
+wobo
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+On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 16:57, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Now the editor needs an official label and a high res complete logo -
+</I>&gt;<i> to be sent to him tomorrow night.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Do we already have such an official label? If so pls point me to
+</I>&gt;<i> the EPS file. If not, would it be possible to have one until tomorrow?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Do we have a high resolution EPS file of the official logo (for
+</I>&gt;<i> publications in print magazines)? If so pls point me to the file, if
+</I>&gt;<i> not, is it possible to get one - this is important to have our logo on
+</I>&gt;<i> the DVD labels and in the magazine.
+</I>
+I'm late posting it, I've been wondering where to post the temp files;
+I sent them on Flickr for now:
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org/sets/72157627014023456/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org/sets/72157627014023456/</A> -
+those have been made by a friend of a friend. Not at full resolution
+so far, but if some get a go, we can ask Julie (the artist) to provide
+high res stuff.
+
+I know some other have been posted on mageia-artwork as well, some days ago.
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Thorsten van Lil</B>
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+&gt;<i> I'm late posting it, I've been wondering where to post the temp files;
+</I>&gt;<i> I sent them on Flickr for now:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org/sets/72157627014023456/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org/sets/72157627014023456/</A> -
+</I>&gt;<i> those have been made by a friend of a friend. Not at full resolution
+</I>&gt;<i> so far, but if some get a go, we can ask Julie (the artist) to provide
+</I>&gt;<i> high res stuff.
+</I>
+Hey, looks nice.
+I vote for this:
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org/5856485157/in/set-72157627014023456/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org/5856485157/in/set-72157627014023456/</A>
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+Thorsten
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+
+I'd also go for a round label. Nice touch: all proposals are suited
+for international use (no text to translate!)!
+
+So, is it possible to decide on one of them and have it in SVG or EPS
+until tomorrow night?
+
+The logo on <A HREF="http://www.mediafire.com/file/azyck9q90cv1sa8/mageia-logo-final.svg">http://www.mediafire.com/file/azyck9q90cv1sa8/mageia-logo-final.svg</A>
+is totally sufficient, thx - the graphic wizards at LinuxUser can use
+SVG :)
+
+--
+Cheers
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Barbosa</B>
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+<PRE>Hi there,
+
+we used to start this conversation weeks, if not months ago but I
+don't remember us settling it.
+
+The question is: how do we manage the Mageia logo (licensing, do's,
+don't's), especially regarding official uses (regarding the
+association) and larger, derivatives uses (local communities,
+derivative distribution, &quot;supported by/made with Mageia&quot; buttons,
+etc.).
+
+That translates into:
+ - a guidelines book (what to do, what not to do), intended both at
+the artwork/marcom team and at anyone willing to use the logo;
+ - some ready-made derivatives
+ - a clear license applied to all graphics
+ - all that made available into what is, for now, this rather simple
+page: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/about/media/">http://mageia.org/en/about/media/</A>
+
+
+I have some ideas (official logo being CC-By-ND for everyone, but, of
+course, for the artwork team or appointed people by the association;
+basic elements (font, blueprint) and derivatives being all CC-By-SA,
+guidelines explaining the in and out's), but I am really not sure,
+so... here's the discussion.
+
+Cheers!
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+Hi
+
+There are upstream websites that explain how to install their software in
+various distributions. A simple way to help Mageia to be known would be to
+contact those upstream projects one by one
+
+Things will be better once we have Mageia App Db because then we will be able
+to point them at a permanent URL for their software, but maybe we could start
+already ?
+
+Examples :
+- <A HREF="http://spellbreaker.org/~chrender/fizmo/">http://spellbreaker.org/~chrender/fizmo/</A>
+- <A HREF="http://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html">http://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html</A>
+
+What do you think ?
+
+Samuel
+
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-marketing] Advertise Mageia in upstream websites">rda at mageia.org
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+On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 09:58, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> There are upstream websites that explain how to install their software in
+</I>&gt;<i> various distributions. A simple way to help Mageia to be known would be to
+</I>&gt;<i> contact those upstream projects one by one
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Things will be better once we have Mageia App Db because then we will be able
+</I>&gt;<i> to point them at a permanent URL for their software, but maybe we could start
+</I>&gt;<i> already ?
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>
+Yes! For one given project, we need to:
+ 1. have the software packaged,
+ 2. contact the project website to notify them and have them tell about it:
+ - citing the distribution (Mageia) and using the logo,
+ - giving the process to install the softwarer (ideally, just
+urpmi &lt;software&gt; or package manager =&gt; install =&gt; &lt;software&gt;) ?
+ 3. a documented process in the wiki or elsewhere
+ 4. people to do it
+
+Or should something else/different be done?
+
+Romain
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+
+&gt;<i> There are upstream websites that explain how to install their
+</I>&gt;<i> software in various distributions. A simple way to help Mageia to be
+</I>&gt;<i> known would be to contact those upstream projects one by one
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Things will be better once we have Mageia App Db because then we will
+</I>&gt;<i> be able to point them at a permanent URL for their software, but
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe we could start already ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Examples :
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://spellbreaker.org/~chrender/fizmo/">http://spellbreaker.org/~chrender/fizmo/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html">http://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>
+Sounds good. I don&#180;t have time this week to follow up, but I&#180;ll take a
+look, and maybe have something ready for people to
+
+
+
+--
+Patricia Fraser
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+<I>William BARNEAU /ekenos
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+
+<LI><A HREF="000401.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000405.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
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+
+<LI><A HREF="000406.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
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+
+<LI><A HREF="000419.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
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+
+<LI><A HREF="000438.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Barbosa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000396.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] Getting the Donations requests out there
+</A><A NAME="396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000409.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000411.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000420.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000423.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000427.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000434.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000437.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000424.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000426.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
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+
+<LI><A HREF="000431.html">[Mageia-marketing] Another review for the list
+</A><A NAME="431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
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+
+<LI><A HREF="000393.html">[Mageia-marketing] Getting the Donations requests out there
+</A><A NAME="393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000395.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meeting this week, Thursday
+</A><A NAME="395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000398.html">[Mageia-marketing] &quot;Job offer&quot; : mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000404.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000410.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000412.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000414.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000416.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000421.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000442.html">[Mageia-marketing] Advertise Mageia in upstream websites
+</A><A NAME="442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000413.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000415.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000418.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000422.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000425.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000429.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000436.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000400.html">[Mageia-marketing] &quot;Job offer&quot; : mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000402.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000397.html">[Mageia-marketing] &quot;Job offer&quot; : mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000440.html">[Mageia-marketing] Advertise Mageia in upstream websites
+</A><A NAME="440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000394.html">[Mageia-marketing] Getting the Donations requests out there
+</A><A NAME="394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000403.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000407.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000408.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000417.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000428.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000430.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000435.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000439.html">[Mageia-marketing] Logo, derivatives, license, guidelines
+</A><A NAME="439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000441.html">[Mageia-marketing] Advertise Mageia in upstream websites
+</A><A NAME="441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000399.html">[Mageia-marketing] Discussion about release cycle
+</A><A NAME="399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000432.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 8, Issue 12; remarks about Mageia revie on Linuxbsdos.com
+</A><A NAME="432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000433.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 8, Issue 11; Apekozzi Font (May 2011 by Zwikkle)
+</A><A NAME="433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Jun 30 13:58:13 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Jun 30 14:03:18 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
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+ <h1>June 2011 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Jun 6 23:03:16 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Jun 30 13:58:13 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 51<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000393.html">[Mageia-marketing] Getting the Donations requests out there
+</A><A NAME="393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000394.html">[Mageia-marketing] Getting the Donations requests out there
+</A><A NAME="394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000395.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meeting this week, Thursday
+</A><A NAME="395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000396.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] Getting the Donations requests out there
+</A><A NAME="396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000397.html">[Mageia-marketing] &quot;Job offer&quot; : mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000398.html">[Mageia-marketing] &quot;Job offer&quot; : mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000399.html">[Mageia-marketing] Discussion about release cycle
+</A><A NAME="399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000400.html">[Mageia-marketing] &quot;Job offer&quot; : mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000401.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000402.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000403.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000404.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000405.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000406.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000407.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000408.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000409.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000410.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000411.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000412.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000413.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000414.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000415.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000416.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000417.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000418.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000419.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000420.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000421.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000422.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000424.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000423.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000425.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000426.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000427.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000428.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000429.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000430.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000431.html">[Mageia-marketing] Another review for the list
+</A><A NAME="431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000432.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 8, Issue 12; remarks about Mageia revie on Linuxbsdos.com
+</A><A NAME="432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000433.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 8, Issue 11; Apekozzi Font (May 2011 by Zwikkle)
+</A><A NAME="433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000434.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000435.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000436.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000437.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000438.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Barbosa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000439.html">[Mageia-marketing] Logo, derivatives, license, guidelines
+</A><A NAME="439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000440.html">[Mageia-marketing] Advertise Mageia in upstream websites
+</A><A NAME="440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000441.html">[Mageia-marketing] Advertise Mageia in upstream websites
+</A><A NAME="441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000442.html">[Mageia-marketing] Advertise Mageia in upstream websites
+</A><A NAME="442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000443.html">[Mageia-marketing] looking for contributors southern France
+</A><A NAME="443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>William BARNEAU /ekenos
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Jun 30 13:58:13 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Jun 30 14:03:18 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>June 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Jun 6 23:03:16 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Jun 30 13:58:13 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 51<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000397.html">[Mageia-marketing] &quot;Job offer&quot; : mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000398.html">[Mageia-marketing] &quot;Job offer&quot; : mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000400.html">[Mageia-marketing] &quot;Job offer&quot; : mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000435.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000436.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000437.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000438.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Barbosa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000396.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] Getting the Donations requests out there
+</A><A NAME="396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000434.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000420.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000421.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000422.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000424.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000423.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000425.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000426.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000427.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000440.html">[Mageia-marketing] Advertise Mageia in upstream websites
+</A><A NAME="440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000441.html">[Mageia-marketing] Advertise Mageia in upstream websites
+</A><A NAME="441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000442.html">[Mageia-marketing] Advertise Mageia in upstream websites
+</A><A NAME="442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000431.html">[Mageia-marketing] Another review for the list
+</A><A NAME="431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000413.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000414.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000415.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000416.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000417.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000418.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000428.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000429.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000430.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000399.html">[Mageia-marketing] Discussion about release cycle
+</A><A NAME="399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000393.html">[Mageia-marketing] Getting the Donations requests out there
+</A><A NAME="393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000394.html">[Mageia-marketing] Getting the Donations requests out there
+</A><A NAME="394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000401.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000402.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000403.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000404.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000405.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000406.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000407.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000408.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000409.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000410.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000411.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000412.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000419.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000439.html">[Mageia-marketing] Logo, derivatives, license, guidelines
+</A><A NAME="439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000443.html">[Mageia-marketing] looking for contributors southern France
+</A><A NAME="443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>William BARNEAU /ekenos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000433.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 8, Issue 11; Apekozzi Font (May 2011 by Zwikkle)
+</A><A NAME="433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000432.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 8, Issue 12; remarks about Mageia revie on Linuxbsdos.com
+</A><A NAME="432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000395.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meeting this week, Thursday
+</A><A NAME="395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Jun 30 13:58:13 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Jun 30 14:03:18 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>June 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Jun 6 23:03:16 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Jun 30 13:58:13 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 51<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01307394196- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000393.html">[Mageia-marketing] Getting the Donations requests out there
+</A><A NAME="393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01307394196-01307395701- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000394.html">[Mageia-marketing] Getting the Donations requests out there
+</A><A NAME="394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01307394196-01307395701-01307432636- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000396.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] Getting the Donations requests out there
+</A><A NAME="396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01307395710- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000395.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meeting this week, Thursday
+</A><A NAME="395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01307885438- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000397.html">[Mageia-marketing] &quot;Job offer&quot; : mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01307885438-01307891074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000398.html">[Mageia-marketing] &quot;Job offer&quot; : mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01307885438-01307891074-01307932139- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000400.html">[Mageia-marketing] &quot;Job offer&quot; : mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01307913604- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000399.html">[Mageia-marketing] Discussion about release cycle
+</A><A NAME="399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01307957872- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000401.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01307957872-01307960281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000402.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01307957872-01307962100- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000403.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01307957872-01307962100-01307971472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000405.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01307957872-01307962100-01307971472-01307979776- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000407.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01307957872-01307965238- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000404.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01307957872-01307965238-01307972695- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000406.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01307957872-01307965238-01307972695-01307980104- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000408.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01307957872-01307965238-01307972695-01307980104-01307985402- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000409.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01307957872-01307965238-01307972695-01307980104-01307985402-01307988696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000410.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01307957872-01307965238-01307972695-01307980104-01307985402-01307988696-01307988987- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000411.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01307957872-01307965238-01307972695-01307980104-01307985402-01307988696-01307988987-01307989535- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000412.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01307957872-01307965238-01307972695-01307980104-01307985402-01307988696-01307988987-01307989535-01308159454- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000419.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01308063051- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000413.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01308063051-01308078138- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000414.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01308063051-01308078138-01308082838- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000415.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01308063051-01308078138-01308082838-01308085853- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000416.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01308063051-01308078138-01308082838-01308085853-01308086688- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000417.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01308063051-01308078138-01308082838-01308085853-01308086688-01308087429- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000418.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01308063051-01308078138-01308082838-01308085853-01308086688-01308087429-01308323796- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000428.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01308063051-01308078138-01308082838-01308085853-01308086688-01308087429-01308323796-01308324603- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000429.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01308063051-01308078138-01308082838-01308085853-01308086688-01308087429-01308323796-01308324603-01308325280- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000430.html">[Mageia-marketing] Banner writings
+</A><A NAME="430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01308226087- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000420.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01308226087-01308229790- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000421.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01308226087-01308229790-01308229993- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000422.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01308226087-01308229790-01308229993-01308230487- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000424.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01308226087-01308229790-01308229993-01308230487-01308231759- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000425.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01308226087-01308229790-01308229993-01308230487-01308231759-01308232695- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000426.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01308226087-01308229790-01308229993-01308230487-01308231759-01308232695-01308233428- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000427.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01308226087-01308229790-01308229993-01308230520- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000423.html">[Mageia-marketing] additional idea
+</A><A NAME="423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01308504619- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000431.html">[Mageia-marketing] Another review for the list
+</A><A NAME="431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01308593340- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000432.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 8, Issue 12; remarks about Mageia revie on Linuxbsdos.com
+</A><A NAME="432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01308648674- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000433.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 8, Issue 11; Apekozzi Font (May 2011 by Zwikkle)
+</A><A NAME="433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01308668235- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000434.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01308668235-01308669455- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000435.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01308668235-01308669455-01308669790- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000436.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01308670699- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000437.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01308670699-01308671024- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000438.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] [Urgent!] Official DVD label and logo
+</A><A NAME="438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Barbosa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01308905812- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000439.html">[Mageia-marketing] Logo, derivatives, license, guidelines
+</A><A NAME="439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01309247910- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000440.html">[Mageia-marketing] Advertise Mageia in upstream websites
+</A><A NAME="440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309247910-01309253123- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000441.html">[Mageia-marketing] Advertise Mageia in upstream websites
+</A><A NAME="441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01309247910-01309256148- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000442.html">[Mageia-marketing] Advertise Mageia in upstream websites
+</A><A NAME="442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309435093- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000443.html">[Mageia-marketing] looking for contributors southern France
+</A><A NAME="443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>William BARNEAU /ekenos
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Jun 30 13:58:13 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Jun 30 14:03:18 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
+ Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i>
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