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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101218/b9c24fc1/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101218/b9c24fc1/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..449f6979c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101218/b9c24fc1/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> + <head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" + http-equiv="Content-Type"> + </head> + <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> + Le 17/12/2010 22:09, Daniel Kreuter a écrit : + <blockquote + cite="mid:AANLkTi=e5yRS1zZxK+b7at3f7PcCJ3+68jfNm5BuzY+w@mail.gmail.com" + type="cite"><br> + <br> + <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, + Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" + href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>></span> + wrote:<br> + <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt + 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); + padding-left: 1ex;"> + I want to point to skiper's blog, who gave the whole "Logo" + issue some<br> + thought. It is titled, "Mageia logo - I don't like it".<br> + <br> + But what he writes is very different from the usual "I don't + like it,<br> + it's ugly" posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it + and why<br> + he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. + Although<br> + I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him + because he did<br> + not just complain, he put some thinking and time into + explaining his<br> + opinion.<br> + <br> + BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the<br> + decision finding process.<br> + <br> + <a moz-do-not-send="true" +href="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/" + target="_blank">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</a><br> + <br> + Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)<br> + </blockquote> + </div> + <br> + I just thought about his blog entry and when I think about our + Logo, i see the following things in it:<br> + <br> + Our logo represents the cauldron as it is the name of our testing + environment. A cauldron has something magical in it, you put + things in to it, and it comes something wonderful out of it, for + someone not knowing what the man/woman does it sounds like a + mirracle. Isn't just this the meaning of our philosophy? Providing + the user a distribution where he thinks wow it works, it don't + know how but it works.<br> + <br> + And that's a point I see when thinking about our logo. <br> + </blockquote> + <br> + I hardly see the cauldron and the nest there. I don't see anything + of all this in the logo. For me, it is just an accessibility sign + that is not pleasant but has just been made to comply to the most + strict guidelines and rules.<br> + <br> + Honestly, the more I try to cope with the logo, the more I actually + dislike it. I am really afraid of the sort of artwork I will have to + support with such an ugly white/black thing. A simple black line + could have been drawn, it would have been exactly the same. I use to + like, or at least cope with many things, even the Ia Ora theme I + always described as quite old looking, I still manage to appreciate + it. But this logo makes me really depress about what will come next. + And what worries me even more is that I am not alone at all in this + situation. <br> + <br> + I am really sorry, but I just want to say the truth about how I feel + with this logo. I am so sorry, but I <u>really</u> do not like this + logo. In the future, if there are trolls of bad comments on it, + expect me to hate it. I do not like myself being like this. I feel + like my attitude is wrong, but I can see Mageia as a credible + project without a credible logo. It may be serious, but not + credible. <br> + <br> + I hope I am wrong and that Mageia will become popular and + successful, but I feel really sad when I see this logo I see as our + flagship, and it really deceives me. <br> + There is nothing nice in it. <br> + <br> + All my apologies for this. I still accept it, but it is really hard + to cope with a flagship you find really depressing, while you really + like the project, want to participate in it and let it grow, working + with people you like. <br> + </body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101218/b9c24fc1/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101218/b9c24fc1/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..449f6979c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101218/b9c24fc1/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> +<html> + <head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" + http-equiv="Content-Type"> + </head> + <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> + Le 17/12/2010 22:09, Daniel Kreuter a écrit : + <blockquote + cite="mid:AANLkTi=e5yRS1zZxK+b7at3f7PcCJ3+68jfNm5BuzY+w@mail.gmail.com" + type="cite"><br> + <br> + <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, + Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" + href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>></span> + wrote:<br> + <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt + 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); + padding-left: 1ex;"> + I want to point to skiper's blog, who gave the whole "Logo" + issue some<br> + thought. It is titled, "Mageia logo - I don't like it".<br> + <br> + But what he writes is very different from the usual "I don't + like it,<br> + it's ugly" posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it + and why<br> + he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. + Although<br> + I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him + because he did<br> + not just complain, he put some thinking and time into + explaining his<br> + opinion.<br> + <br> + BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the<br> + decision finding process.<br> + <br> + <a moz-do-not-send="true" +href="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/" + target="_blank">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</a><br> + <br> + Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)<br> + </blockquote> + </div> + <br> + I just thought about his blog entry and when I think about our + Logo, i see the following things in it:<br> + <br> + Our logo represents the cauldron as it is the name of our testing + environment. A cauldron has something magical in it, you put + things in to it, and it comes something wonderful out of it, for + someone not knowing what the man/woman does it sounds like a + mirracle. Isn't just this the meaning of our philosophy? Providing + the user a distribution where he thinks wow it works, it don't + know how but it works.<br> + <br> + And that's a point I see when thinking about our logo. <br> + </blockquote> + <br> + I hardly see the cauldron and the nest there. I don't see anything + of all this in the logo. For me, it is just an accessibility sign + that is not pleasant but has just been made to comply to the most + strict guidelines and rules.<br> + <br> + Honestly, the more I try to cope with the logo, the more I actually + dislike it. I am really afraid of the sort of artwork I will have to + support with such an ugly white/black thing. A simple black line + could have been drawn, it would have been exactly the same. I use to + like, or at least cope with many things, even the Ia Ora theme I + always described as quite old looking, I still manage to appreciate + it. But this logo makes me really depress about what will come next. + And what worries me even more is that I am not alone at all in this + situation. <br> + <br> + I am really sorry, but I just want to say the truth about how I feel + with this logo. I am so sorry, but I <u>really</u> do not like this + logo. In the future, if there are trolls of bad comments on it, + expect me to hate it. I do not like myself being like this. I feel + like my attitude is wrong, but I can see Mageia as a credible + project without a credible logo. It may be serious, but not + credible. <br> + <br> + I hope I am wrong and that Mageia will become popular and + successful, but I feel really sad when I see this logo I see as our + flagship, and it really deceives me. <br> + There is nothing nice in it. <br> + <br> + All my apologies for this. I still accept it, but it is really hard + to cope with a flagship you find really depressing, while you really + like the project, want to participate in it and let it grow, working + with people you like. <br> + </body> +</html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101218/e8b51e2b/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101218/e8b51e2b/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b724ea266 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101218/e8b51e2b/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Michael scherer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:44:00AM +0100, Juergen Harms wrote:<br> +> I just found this message from Florian Hubold in the cooker mailing list<br> +><br> +> >todays update for mandriva-release-common from main/updates from<br> +> >2010.1 breaks mirrorlist and therefore urpm*-tools altogether<br> +> >when a placeholder like $RELEASE is used with mirrorlist,<br> +> >and as this seems to be the default setup, many machines<br> +> >will be hit by this, effectively disabling package management.<br> +><br> +> The server for the Mandriva forums appears to be (already?) broken,<br> +> no possibility to warn people via that evident way - maybe this copy<br> +> can help to minimise annoyance.<br> +<br> +</div></div>Ok, so I doubt people will listen to me, and I know that you are trying to help,<br> +but this is mageia-discuss, not mandriva-discuss.<br> +<br> +If we start to discuss Mandriva breakage and evolution here, people will not<br> +really see the 2 community as separate. And if they do not see us as a separate<br> +community, we will carry the bad reputation of Mandriva for the next 10 years<br> +because people will think "mageia == mandriva".<br> +<br> +As you surely doubt, reputation is z problem that can be quite hard and long<br> +to overcome as we learned in the past, and quite damaging for the success of a project<br> +in the long run. So it<br> +is better to start now, by simply being fully separate from Mandriva and by doing everything<br> +we can to make sure we are not seen as a 2nd Mandriva. And this include seeing Mageia<br> +community as a separate entity, not as another Mandriva users community.<br> +<br> +So in the light of this explanation, could people please keep Mandriva related topic<br> +on Mandriva mailling list ?<br> +<br> +--<br> +<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br>Considering that most of us here are still using Mandriva, cause there has not been a Mageia release yet, it is important that we know something can be broken in the system we use to work and collaborate to Mageia.<br> +<br>I do agree that, in the near future, we should focus only in Mageia, but for now we are still in between worlds.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Diego Bello Carreņo<br><br><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101218/e8b51e2b/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101218/e8b51e2b/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b724ea266 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101218/e8b51e2b/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Michael scherer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:44:00AM +0100, Juergen Harms wrote:<br> +> I just found this message from Florian Hubold in the cooker mailing list<br> +><br> +> >todays update for mandriva-release-common from main/updates from<br> +> >2010.1 breaks mirrorlist and therefore urpm*-tools altogether<br> +> >when a placeholder like $RELEASE is used with mirrorlist,<br> +> >and as this seems to be the default setup, many machines<br> +> >will be hit by this, effectively disabling package management.<br> +><br> +> The server for the Mandriva forums appears to be (already?) broken,<br> +> no possibility to warn people via that evident way - maybe this copy<br> +> can help to minimise annoyance.<br> +<br> +</div></div>Ok, so I doubt people will listen to me, and I know that you are trying to help,<br> +but this is mageia-discuss, not mandriva-discuss.<br> +<br> +If we start to discuss Mandriva breakage and evolution here, people will not<br> +really see the 2 community as separate. And if they do not see us as a separate<br> +community, we will carry the bad reputation of Mandriva for the next 10 years<br> +because people will think "mageia == mandriva".<br> +<br> +As you surely doubt, reputation is z problem that can be quite hard and long<br> +to overcome as we learned in the past, and quite damaging for the success of a project<br> +in the long run. So it<br> +is better to start now, by simply being fully separate from Mandriva and by doing everything<br> +we can to make sure we are not seen as a 2nd Mandriva. And this include seeing Mageia<br> +community as a separate entity, not as another Mandriva users community.<br> +<br> +So in the light of this explanation, could people please keep Mandriva related topic<br> +on Mandriva mailling list ?<br> +<br> +--<br> +<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br>Considering that most of us here are still using Mandriva, cause there has not been a Mageia release yet, it is important that we know something can be broken in the system we use to work and collaborate to Mageia.<br> +<br>I do agree that, in the near future, we should focus only in Mageia, but for now we are still in between worlds.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Diego Bello Carreņo<br><br><br> |