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Handbooks are fully part of a kde install; they should be +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> installed, and shouldn't be removed. A kde install without handbooks +</I>>>>>>><i> is a +</I>>>>>>><i> damaged kde install. Do you think that the kde doc team will continue +</I>>>>>>><i> to +</I>>>>>>><i> work on handbooks if each distrib don't install its work? +</I>>>>>>><i> That's why, personally I think the exact opposite; each component +</I>>>>>>><i> should +</I>>>>>>><i> *requires* its handbook (but probably it won't work with LiveCD). +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> I don't agree. You seem to first take for granted that a user of the +</I>>>>><i> KDE desktop also uses all the applications and second you mistake +</I>>>>><i> "good to have" for "must have". I'm using KDE but only few KDE +</I>>>>><i> applications - so why do I need a handbook for kppp or knode or kmail +</I>>>>><i> when I don't even install these applications? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I agree, and that's why I said "each component should requires its +</I>>>><i> handbook", meaning kdebase4-workspace requires kdebase4-workspace-handbooks, +</I>>>><i> kmail requires kmail-handbook, ... +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Currently, each component suggests its handbook (needed for LiveCD). +</I>>>><i> If we use only suggests for handbooks, the handbooks are missing on DVD +</I>>>><i> iso (because DVD iso doesn't include suggests), so that handbooks are never +</I>>>><i> installed with a DVD install, and all the kde docs will be missing by +</I>>>><i> default. +</I>>>><i> For now, I don't have a perfect solution to this problem. +</I>>>><i> To workaround this, I added a task-kde4-handbooks that REQUIRES the +</I>>>><i> handbooks for kde's components that are installed by a default mageia kde +</I>>>><i> install. I know that it's not perfect. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I'm open to a better solution, but I really want to avoid that the +</I>>>><i> handbooks are not installed on most of mageia's install. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> regards, +</I>>>><i> Luc +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> A suggestion from a non-kde user. +</I>>><i> Why not put task-kde4-handbooks on the dvd, but not have it required by kde +</I>>><i> ? +</I>>><i> That way, selecting kde (without selecting task-kde4-handbooks) won't pull +</I>>><i> in all handbooks, only those required by the kde packages actually +</I>>><i> installed. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> That's only half the solution. Example: I install kcalc or a simple +</I>><i> KDE patience game - why do I want to have the handbooks? So, ok, if +</I>><i> DVD does not include suggests and to avoid letting users pull the +</I>><i> handbook from the net after system installation, then at least it must +</I>><i> be possible to uninstall handbooks no matter if the matching +</I>><i> application is installed or not. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Meaning, without knowing the technical solution: if it is unavoidable +</I>><i> to get the handbooks installed by dependency I still expect to be able +</I>><i> to easily uninstall every handbook I want without having to use 'rpm +</I>><i> -e --nodeps' on each one. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>I see your point. It certainly would be better if there were an easy +non-technical means of deselecting a handbook when installing an +application. +However, I do think that it would be better to install the corresponding +handbook by default. +We could use a tree-type selection for closely related modules. (With +rpmdrake or similar graphical interface.) +If one wants everything, select the root application and install. +If not, then deselect the unwanted modules before install. +In addition to modifying rpmdrake, we would have to establish how this +would be coded in the spec files or package names, etc. +We would have to consider aspects such as language files, etc. + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007775.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6940">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6940">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6940">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6940">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |