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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<PRE>Le 11 mars 2012 12:15, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/3/11 Luc Menut &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">lmenut at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 10/03/2012 23:49, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Am 10.03.2012 23:46, schrieb Juan Luis Baptiste:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Right now, the splitting of the handbook packages will use the same
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; bandwidth as before. As Anssi said, before the handbooks came bundled
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; with the owner package, so they were also being installed. So
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; bandwidth wise, is still the same as before the splitting.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I haven't looked into it, but perhaps we could install those handbooks
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; as Suggests instead of Requires (or is it already done that way?).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Then people wanting to save bandwidth could just install using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;--no-suggests&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't agree. Handbooks are fully part of a kde install; they should be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installed, and shouldn't be removed. A kde install without handbooks is
+</I>a
+&gt;<i> &gt; damaged kde install. Do you think that the kde doc team will continue to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; work on handbooks if each distrib don't install its work?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's why, personally I think the exact opposite; each component should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; *requires* its handbook (but probably it won't work with LiveCD).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't agree. You seem to first take for granted that a user of the
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE desktop also uses all the applications and second you mistake
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;good to have&quot; for &quot;must have&quot;. I'm using KDE but only few KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> applications - so why do I need a handbook for kppp or knode or kmail
+</I>&gt;<i> when I don't even install these applications? I would happily
+</I>&gt;<i> de-install such handbooks as I regularly unmark grub-doc and similar
+</I>&gt;<i> packages from installation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In your previous reply to Juergen you also showed that you
+</I>&gt;<i> misunderstood his wish for Mageia documentation. It is good and
+</I>&gt;<i> important that documentation is available if needed. But it must not
+</I>&gt;<i> be forced on those who don't want/need it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I may add that I have been involved in documentation writing and
+</I>&gt;<i> translating for almost 7 years. But I never thought that users must
+</I>&gt;<i> use it if they don't need it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>
+I agree that documentation has to be available with the application i use.
+While i use the program and i need more infos i press F1. If the handbook
+it is not available what i will have ? A message informs me that the doc is
+missing or it has to be installed manualy?
+
+As when you get any product it comes with its manual, i believe that the
+handbook of an application is a must have, and an application should never
+be installed without its documentation.
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