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<B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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<PRE>Le 11 mars 2012 12:15, "Wolfgang Bornath" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> a écrit :
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</I>><i> 2012/3/11 Luc Menut <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">lmenut at free.fr</A>>:
</I>><i> > Le 10/03/2012 23:49, Oliver Burger a écrit :
</I>><i> >>
</I>><i> >> Am 10.03.2012 23:46, schrieb Juan Luis Baptiste:
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > [...]
</I>><i> >>>
</I>><i> >>> Right now, the splitting of the handbook packages will use the same
</I>><i> >>> bandwidth as before. As Anssi said, before the handbooks came bundled
</I>><i> >>> with the owner package, so they were also being installed. So
</I>><i> >>> bandwidth wise, is still the same as before the splitting.
</I>><i> >>>
</I>><i> >> I haven't looked into it, but perhaps we could install those handbooks
</I>><i> >> as Suggests instead of Requires (or is it already done that way?).
</I>><i> >> Then people wanting to save bandwidth could just install using
</I>><i> >> "--no-suggests".
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > I don't agree. Handbooks are fully part of a kde install; they should be
</I>><i> > installed, and shouldn't be removed. A kde install without handbooks is
</I>a
><i> > damaged kde install. Do you think that the kde doc team will continue to
</I>><i> > work on handbooks if each distrib don't install its work?
</I>><i> > That's why, personally I think the exact opposite; each component should
</I>><i> > *requires* its handbook (but probably it won't work with LiveCD).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I don't agree. You seem to first take for granted that a user of the
</I>><i> KDE desktop also uses all the applications and second you mistake
</I>><i> "good to have" for "must have". I'm using KDE but only few KDE
</I>><i> applications - so why do I need a handbook for kppp or knode or kmail
</I>><i> when I don't even install these applications? I would happily
</I>><i> de-install such handbooks as I regularly unmark grub-doc and similar
</I>><i> packages from installation.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> In your previous reply to Juergen you also showed that you
</I>><i> misunderstood his wish for Mageia documentation. It is good and
</I>><i> important that documentation is available if needed. But it must not
</I>><i> be forced on those who don't want/need it.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I may add that I have been involved in documentation writing and
</I>><i> translating for almost 7 years. But I never thought that users must
</I>><i> use it if they don't need it.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> --
</I>><i> wobo
</I>
I agree that documentation has to be available with the application i use.
While i use the program and i need more infos i press F1. If the handbook
it is not available what i will have ? A message informs me that the doc is
missing or it has to be installed manualy?
As when you get any product it comes with its manual, i believe that the
handbook of an application is a must have, and an application should never
be installed without its documentation.
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