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Were you ill? Did you have too +</I>>><i> much to do for your day time job? You said you'd finish this task +</I>>><i> before last week and it still isn't finished" +</I> +The part between " " was something that (in a slightly different form) +doktor5000 suggested to ask in such situations +>><i> +</I>><i> Or just be more realistic. +</I>><i> Don't forget that often people will say yes because they would like to +</I>><i> do something, without seriously considering the various demands on their +</I>><i> time. They think it is a good idea, and they want to contribute. (I tend +</I>><i> to be somewhat like that.) +</I>><i> So it is not only people saying "yes" when they mean "no". +</I>><i> And once they have said "yes", like almost everyone, they find it more +</I>><i> difficult to say "no" later on. After all, they still think it is +</I>><i> something that should be done. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So using the concept of "lying", those accusing others of "lying" could +</I>><i> be seen as largely stretching the truth. (Or simply being blind to +</I>><i> reality.) +</I>><i> +</I> +There is another one: +I already knew a good friend of me needs to put her phone very far away +from her bed, because if she doesn't do that, she'll answer it in her +sleep and agree to do anything people ask her. +Yesterday morning very early I ponged someone on IRC. We talked a little +and I asked him permission for something. Fine with him (which surprised +me, to be honest, I had expected a no or at the most a yes to an +adjusted form of my proposal). Last evening, I referred to the time at +which we had had the chat of that morning. He wasn't aware of it, he +thought he was sleeping at that time. So I inquired about what he had +agreed on. Well, he wasn't aware of that either. He surely was very +unhappy with it. + +So that agreement doesn't count. +First of all because I was wrong to ask something that I would never say +"yes" to myself. (Thank you for making me aware - in another reply in +this thread - that we need to be considerate when asking things of people) +Secondly because he was in a state between sleeping and waking when +"agreeing" + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008209.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8206">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8206">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8206">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8206">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |