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Anyone able to confirm? +</I>Here in the german version (Mageia 1, Ark 2.16, KDE 4.6.5) it works well +and korrekt. But don't forget Anne in the second case you determine +where the files go in, in the first case Ark try to find out from the +archive, Maybe here a trail to a anser for you? + +Norbert +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8099">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8099">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8099">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8099">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008100.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008100.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fc8fc8f74 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008100.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C20120701180545.228900f9%40dougshost.douglaidlaw.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008126.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008101.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates</H1> + <B>Doug Laidlaw</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C20120701180545.228900f9%40dougshost.douglaidlaw.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 1 10:05:45 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008126.html">[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8100">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8100">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8100">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8100">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Updates to dragonplayer, etc conflict with nepomuk, to be updated +further down the list. Got around this by forcing update of nepomuk +first. Now there is a conflict between CDDB and cd-handbook. Samba is +at the bottom of the list and hadn't been reached when I gave up. + +Sounds as though only the sequence is incorrect. + +Doug. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008126.html">[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8100">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8100">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8100">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8100">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008101.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008101.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..917a84338 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008101.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3Cjsp1gm%24j7i%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008100.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008114.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates</H1> + <B>isadora</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3Cjsp1gm%24j7i%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates">isadora7777777 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 1 10:24:54 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008114.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8101">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8101">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8101">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8101">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/01/2012 10:05 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote: +><i> Updates to dragonplayer, etc conflict with nepomuk, to be updated +</I>><i> further down the list. Got around this by forcing update of nepomuk +</I>><i> first. Now there is a conflict between CDDB and cd-handbook. Samba is +</I>><i> at the bottom of the list and hadn't been reached when I gave up. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sounds as though only the sequence is incorrect. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Doug. +</I>><i> +</I>Confirmed, happens here as well. + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008114.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8101">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8101">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8101">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8101">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008102.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008102.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6f5c8d93e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008102.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCAOfq2QThWkF08pN6Yw2_R9iY27jME-Q_B-Z5a9iZiJmtD5JNfw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008114.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008104.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates</H1> + <B>Funda Wang</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCAOfq2QThWkF08pN6Yw2_R9iY27jME-Q_B-Z5a9iZiJmtD5JNfw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates">fundawang at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 1 10:43:58 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008114.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8102">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8102">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8102">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8102">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Detail log, please. Or, bug report. + +2012/7/1 Doug Laidlaw <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>>: +><i> Updates to dragonplayer, etc conflict with nepomuk, to be updated +</I>><i> further down the list. Got around this by forcing update of nepomuk +</I>><i> first. Now there is a conflict between CDDB and cd-handbook. Samba is +</I>><i> at the bottom of the list and hadn't been reached when I gave up. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sounds as though only the sequence is incorrect. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Doug. +</I></PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008114.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8102">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8102">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8102">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8102">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008103.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008103.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..683154718 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008103.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20The%20laptop%20hangs%20on%20boot%20in%20three%20points&In-Reply-To=%3CCALVo_Bjwh%3D2YtTLMyQbrL%2B6Zc9ooEJRKugLxVXfo9YCNxst9qw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008111.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008116.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points</H1> + <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20The%20laptop%20hangs%20on%20boot%20in%20three%20points&In-Reply-To=%3CCALVo_Bjwh%3D2YtTLMyQbrL%2B6Zc9ooEJRKugLxVXfo9YCNxst9qw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points">dglent at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 1 11:37:02 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008111.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008116.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8103">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8103">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8103">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8103">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>The laptop hangs on boot for a while (about 3 minutes totaly) in three +points. +First, in the very first step, before the boot messages, i have this +message: + +udevd[210]: Error running install command for sdhci_pci + +after some time the boot starts and it hangs when it search for the nfs +server: + +Starting /home/myriam/partage... + +because i dont have the desktop at home now which has the nfs server, but i +think that it does nt has to look out for a while to find the nfs share + +and third in this message: + +Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit [[1;31mFAILED[0m] +See 'systemctl status plymouth-quit-wait.service' for details. + + +Linux localhost.localdomain 3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2 #1 SMP Thu May 17 +16:35:38 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux + + +Do you think that it worths a bug report ? 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Or, bug report. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2012/7/1 Doug Laidlaw <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>>: +</I>><i> > Updates to dragonplayer, etc conflict with nepomuk, to be updated +</I>><i> > further down the list. Got around this by forcing update of nepomuk +</I>><i> > first. Now there is a conflict between CDDB and cd-handbook. +</I>><i> > Samba is at the bottom of the list and hadn't been reached when I +</I>><i> > gave up. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Sounds as though only the sequence is incorrect. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Doug. +</I>><i> +</I>Can do. Is there a logfile somewhere? + +Doug. +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8104">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8104">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8104">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8104">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008105.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008105.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0d0414fb2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008105.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Ark%20extraction%20from%20context%20menu&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF02F51.4010407%40kde.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008099.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008126.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu</H1> + <B>Anne Wilson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Ark%20extraction%20from%20context%20menu&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF02F51.4010407%40kde.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu">annew at kde.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 1 13:06:57 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008099.html">[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008126.html">[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8105">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8105">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8105">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8105">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +Hash: SHA1 + +On 01/07/12 06:04, Norbert Marchl wrote: +><i> Am 2012-06-30 20:59, schrieb Anne Wilson: +</I>>><i> The context menu options, "Extract here, Autodetect subfolder" +</I>>><i> and siblings don't seem to be working very well - although the +</I>>><i> simpler "Extract to" seems fine. Anyone able to confirm? +</I>><i> Here in the german version (Mageia 1, Ark 2.16, KDE 4.6.5) it +</I>><i> works well and korrekt. But don't forget Anne in the second case +</I>><i> you determine where the files go in, in the first case Ark try to +</I>><i> find out from the archive, Maybe here a trail to a anser for you? +</I>><i> +</I>I used this facility regularly in Fedora, so I'm trying to find out +whether the Mageia package is faulty or I am missing something or have +a mis-configuration. Yes, I use KDE. + +I subscribe to Magnatune. I download an album such as +Takashi_Matsuishi_Spark_-_Selected_Duets-vbr.zip. Using "Extract +here, Autodetect subfolder" it should see that there is already a +Takashi_Matsuishi_Spark folder, change to it and extract the album +Selected Duets inside that folder. However, extraction simply doesn't +happen. I see a short white flash, and nothing further. Nor does it +happen if I just use "Extract here". "Extract to" waits for me to +point to the folder, then extracts. + +I can work around things, but it's not slick. I just can't think of +any configuration I might have set that could mess this up. + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? 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Or, bug report. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > 2012/7/1 Doug Laidlaw <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>>: +</I>><i> > > Updates to dragonplayer, etc conflict with nepomuk, to be updated +</I>><i> > > further down the list. Got around this by forcing update of +</I>><i> > > nepomuk first. Now there is a conflict between CDDB and +</I>><i> > > cd-handbook. Samba is at the bottom of the list and hadn't been +</I>><i> > > reached when I gave up. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Sounds as though only the sequence is incorrect. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Doug. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> Can do. Is there a logfile somewhere? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Doug. +</I>><i> +</I>Detailed history filed as <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6648">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6648</A> + +This time, samba was installed first, and the remaining packages +installed without incident. A further update including nepomuk +(again) and kdebase-runtime, arried while I was finalising the bug +report, and was installed O.K. + +Sounds as though the guys at KDE have been on the drink again. + +Doug. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8106">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8106">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8106">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8106">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008107.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008107.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6fe6021f1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008107.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF032C0.6010201%40mageia.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008106.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008108.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates</H1> + <B>Anne Nicolas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF032C0.6010201%40mageia.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates">ennael at mageia.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 1 13:21:36 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8107">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8107">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8107">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8107">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 01/07/2012 13:11, Doug Laidlaw a écrit : +><i> On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 20:24:45 +1000 +</I>><i> Doug Laidlaw<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:43:58 +0800 +</I>>><i> Funda Wang<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fundawang at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Detail log, please. Or, bug report. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> 2012/7/1 Doug Laidlaw<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>>: +</I>>>>><i> Updates to dragonplayer, etc conflict with nepomuk, to be updated +</I>>>>><i> further down the list. Got around this by forcing update of +</I>>>>><i> nepomuk first. Now there is a conflict between CDDB and +</I>>>>><i> cd-handbook. Samba is at the bottom of the list and hadn't been +</I>>>>><i> reached when I gave up. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Sounds as though only the sequence is incorrect. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Doug. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Can do. Is there a logfile somewhere? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Doug. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Detailed history filed as <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6648">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6648</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This time, samba was installed first, and the remaining packages +</I>><i> installed without incident. A further update including nepomuk +</I>><i> (again) and kdebase-runtime, arried while I was finalising the bug +</I>><i> report, and was installed O.K. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sounds as though the guys at KDE have been on the drink again. +</I> +I'm pretty sure you will hardly find some help from these "drunk guys" +if you speak like that +><i> +</I>><i> Doug. +</I> + +-- +Anne +<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8107">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8107">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8107">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8107">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008108.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008108.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a927b2abe --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008108.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C20120701213547.1612a6b7%40dougshost.douglaidlaw.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008107.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008109.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates</H1> + <B>Doug Laidlaw</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C20120701213547.1612a6b7%40dougshost.douglaidlaw.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 1 13:35:47 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008109.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8108">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8108">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8108">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8108">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 13:21:36 +0200 +Anne Nicolas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael at mageia.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> > Sounds as though the guys at KDE have been on the drink again. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm pretty sure you will hardly find some help from these "drunk +</I>><i> guys" if you speak like that +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Doug. +</I> +True, but why are there so many updates from KDE? As in this example, +there is a complete replacement within hours. Searching through +syslog, there were so many updates to KDE within two months that it +was impossible to find the right one. They sent it out without caring +if it worked or not. I am used to KDE, but I use Xfce because it can be +relied on to work, and not to do the unexpected, or obscure my desktop +with useless popups like a porn site. + +Doug. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008109.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8108">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8108">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8108">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8108">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008109.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008109.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..be815cf03 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008109.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCAPn0va7s8ajPUKwn_73gRM8ez5VD%3DEc1igXyC5NsSoV5fq3Txw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008108.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008113.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates</H1> + <B>Donald Stewart</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCAPn0va7s8ajPUKwn_73gRM8ez5VD%3DEc1igXyC5NsSoV5fq3Txw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates">watersnowrock at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 1 13:45:29 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8109">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8109">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8109">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8109">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 1 July 2012 12:35, Doug Laidlaw <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>> wrote: +><i> On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 13:21:36 +0200 +</I>><i> Anne Nicolas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael at mageia.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > Sounds as though the guys at KDE have been on the drink again. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I'm pretty sure you will hardly find some help from these "drunk +</I>>><i> guys" if you speak like that +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > Doug. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> True, but why are there so many updates from KDE? As in this example, +</I>><i> there is a complete replacement within hours. Searching through +</I>><i> syslog, there were so many updates to KDE within two months that it +</I>><i> was impossible to find the right one. They sent it out without caring +</I>><i> if it worked or not. I am used to KDE, but I use Xfce because it can be +</I>><i> relied on to work, and not to do the unexpected, or obscure my desktop +</I>><i> with useless popups like a porn site. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Doug. +</I> +The main KDE maintainer has been having computer issues for some time +now, but is expected back soon, and while this doesn't explain the +issues it should be kept in mind. I for one have had no major +problems, but then again I haven't updated regularly, just a few times +in large in the last month or so. +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8109">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8109">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8109">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8109">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008110.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008110.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..724c8c038 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008110.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C20120701114704.GG21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008115.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008112.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C20120701114704.GG21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 1 13:47:05 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008112.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8110">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8110">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8110">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8110">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, 01 Jul 2012, Doug Laidlaw wrote: + +><i> On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 13:21:36 +0200 +</I>><i> Anne Nicolas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael at mageia.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > Sounds as though the guys at KDE have been on the drink again. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I'm pretty sure you will hardly find some help from these "drunk +</I>><i> > guys" if you speak like that +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Doug. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> True, but why are there so many updates from KDE? As in this example, +</I>><i> there is a complete replacement within hours. Searching through +</I>><i> syslog, there were so many updates to KDE within two months that it +</I>><i> was impossible to find the right one. They sent it out without caring +</I>><i> if it worked or not. I am used to KDE, but I use Xfce because it can be +</I>><i> relied on to work, and not to do the unexpected, or obscure my desktop +</I>><i> with useless popups like a porn site. +</I> +The goal of Cauldron is developement of the distributions, so there are +updates as frequently as needed, sometimes with bugs. If you don't want +to be annoyed with too many updates or bugs, don't use Cauldron. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008112.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8110">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8110">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8110">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8110">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008111.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008111.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..73cc2ad52 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008111.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF039A8.9040703%40mageia.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008112.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008103.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates</H1> + <B>Thomas Backlund</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF039A8.9040703%40mageia.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates">tmb at mageia.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 1 13:51:04 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008112.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008103.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8111">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8111">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8111">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8111">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>01.07.2012 14:35, Doug Laidlaw skrev: +><i> On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 13:21:36 +0200 +</I>><i> Anne Nicolas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael at mageia.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> Sounds as though the guys at KDE have been on the drink again. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I'm pretty sure you will hardly find some help from these "drunk +</I>>><i> guys" if you speak like that +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Doug. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> True, but why are there so many updates from KDE? As in this example, +</I>><i> there is a complete replacement within hours. Searching through +</I>><i> syslog, there were so many updates to KDE within two months that it +</I>><i> was impossible to find the right one. They sent it out without caring +</I>><i> if it worked or not. +</I> + +Ummm.... + +It's Cauldron, and KDE is being updated top 4.9 RC +If you cant cope with it, run a stable release instead of the devel version. + +><i> I am used to KDE, but I use Xfce because it can be +</I>><i> relied on to work, and not to do the unexpected, or obscure my desktop +</I>><i> with useless popups like a porn site. +</I>><i> +</I> +Well, if you rely on development version to work all the time, you get +to keep the pieces... + +-- +Thomas +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008112.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008103.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8111">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8111">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8111">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8111">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008112.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008112.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..14db0c241 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008112.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C20120702015754.23af4dca%40dougshost.douglaidlaw.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008110.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008111.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates</H1> + <B>Doug Laidlaw</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C20120702015754.23af4dca%40dougshost.douglaidlaw.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 1 17:57:54 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008110.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008111.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8112">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8112">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8112">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8112">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 13:47:05 +0200 +nicolas vigier <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> On Sun, 01 Jul 2012, Doug Laidlaw wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 13:21:36 +0200 +</I>><i> > Anne Nicolas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael at mageia.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > > > Sounds as though the guys at KDE have been on the drink again. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > I'm pretty sure you will hardly find some help from these "drunk +</I>><i> > > guys" if you speak like that +</I>><i> > > > +</I>><i> > > > Doug. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > True, but why are there so many updates from KDE? As in this +</I>><i> > example, there is a complete replacement within hours. Searching +</I>><i> > through syslog, there were so many updates to KDE within two months +</I>><i> > that it was impossible to find the right one. They sent it out +</I>><i> > without caring if it worked or not. I am used to KDE, but I use +</I>><i> > Xfce because it can be relied on to work, and not to do the +</I>><i> > unexpected, or obscure my desktop with useless popups like a porn +</I>><i> > site. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The goal of Cauldron is developement of the distributions, so there +</I>><i> are updates as frequently as needed, sometimes with bugs. If you +</I>><i> don't want to be annoyed with too many updates or bugs, don't use +</I>><i> Cauldron. +</I>><i> +</I>I don't run Cauldron except to keep an eye on it. My everyday system +is Mga 2 Official. I am getting too senile to be any real use to +anybody, even without inherited depression, winter blues and a winter +infection. It is questionable how much "depression" is only a blue +day, but there are suicides right through my grandmother's ancestors, +including one of her sisters. I am not suicidal, but at present, +life is far from being fun. + +Surely this whole "bug" is now history? Whatever the cause was, it +disappeared at the second attempt. + +Doug. +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008110.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008111.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8112">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8112">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8112">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8112">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008113.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008113.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..51e1b1765 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008113.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C29162578.B3uhpYHUeZ%40khepri.lan.littleboboy.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Got around this by forcing update of nepomuk +</I>>><i> first. Now there is a conflict between CDDB and cd-handbook. Samba is +</I>>><i> at the bottom of the list and hadn't been reached when I gave up. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Sounds as though only the sequence is incorrect. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Doug. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Confirmed, happens here as well. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Problems all solved after another round-up of updates. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8114">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8114">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8114">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8114">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008115.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008115.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..953e13085 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008115.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Priority%20issues%20with%20latest%20Cauldron%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCAPn0va70cBpXSgA5UA538-N21uxRVuxY8G5KGrHtTeK1oBqcLQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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After several searches on the web, I finalize that +the problem come from graphics drivers but I couldn't solve it. I'd to +reinstall my Mageia. + +Sébastien +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008103.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008162.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8116">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8116">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8116">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8116">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008117.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008117.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a62711dda --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008117.html @@ -0,0 +1,59 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mga3%20caudron&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF1D8A6.3020206%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008162.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008118.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron</H1> + <B>Luan Pham</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mga3%20caudron&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF1D8A6.3020206%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron">luanlx.louie at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 2 19:21:42 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008162.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008118.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8117">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8117">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8117">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8117">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>How do I report bugs on Mageia3 Caudron? 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+</I> +<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_report_a_bug_properly">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_report_a_bug_properly</A> + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008117.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008119.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8118">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8118">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8118">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8118">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008119.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008119.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e22fd5254 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008119.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mga3%20caudron&In-Reply-To=%3C20120702205126.72d74dd8%40lap.shlomifish.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008118.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008120.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron</H1> + <B>Shlomi Fish</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mga3%20caudron&In-Reply-To=%3C20120702205126.72d74dd8%40lap.shlomifish.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron">shlomif at shlomifish.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 2 19:51:26 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008118.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? 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By modifying its very source code. + +Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> . +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008118.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8119">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8119">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8119">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8119">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008120.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008120.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..29a646c6f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008120.html @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? 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And +didn't even mention the source in the comment while importing the page, +which is not nice and probably against the license. + +First page seems to be a copy from : +<A HREF="http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Accessibility_Guide/ar01s09s04.html">http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Accessibility_Guide/ar01s09s04.html</A> + +People should read this page before stealing work from other projects : +<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy</A> + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8121">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8121">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8121">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8121">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008122.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008122.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fd3ec08cc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008122.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF280B8.8060406%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008121.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008124.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF280B8.8060406%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Jul 3 07:18:48 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8122">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8122">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8122">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8122">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 02/07/2012 21:19, nicolas vigier wrote: + +><i> +</I>><i> It looks like someone imported pages from fedora documentation. And +</I>><i> didn't even mention the source in the comment while importing the page, +</I>><i> which is not nice and probably against the license. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> First page seems to be a copy from : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Accessibility_Guide/ar01s09s04.html">http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Accessibility_Guide/ar01s09s04.html</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> People should read this page before stealing work from other projects : +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy</A> +</I>><i> +</I> +This is being corrected, thanks for spotting this! +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8122">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8122">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8122">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8122">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008123.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008123.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..864071cbc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008123.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF28295.4000206%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008124.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008125.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF28295.4000206%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Jul 3 07:26:45 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8123">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8123">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8123">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8123">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 03/07/2012 07:18, Marja van Waes wrote: +><i> On 02/07/2012 21:19, nicolas vigier wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It looks like someone imported pages from fedora documentation. And +</I>>><i> didn't even mention the source in the comment while importing the page, +</I>>><i> which is not nice and probably against the license. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> First page seems to be a copy from : +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Accessibility_Guide/ar01s09s04.html">http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Accessibility_Guide/ar01s09s04.html</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> People should read this page before stealing work from other projects : +</I>>><i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is being corrected, thanks for spotting this! +</I> +Now seeing where it went wrong: it was mentioned on the first page where +it came from + +<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accesibility_Guide">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accesibility_Guide</A> + +These ideas and most of the descriptions are taken from the +[Documentation Project] +<A HREF="http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Accessibility_Guide/index.html|Fedora">http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Accessibility_Guide/index.html|Fedora</A> + The original text and illustrations in this document are licensed by +Red Hat under a Creative Commons Attribution–Share Alike 3.0 Unported +license ("CC-BY-SA"). You can find more about on the first site in the +link above. + +But of course that doesn't help if you click directly to one of the +following pages :/ +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8123">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8123">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8123">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8123">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008124.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008124.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f2e31a2c3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008124.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF28262.7030609%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008122.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008123.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF28262.7030609%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Jul 3 07:25:54 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008123.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8124">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8124">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8124">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8124">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 03/07/2012 07:18, Marja van Waes wrote: +><i> On 02/07/2012 21:19, nicolas vigier wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It looks like someone imported pages from fedora documentation. And +</I>>><i> didn't even mention the source in the comment while importing the page, +</I>>><i> which is not nice and probably against the license. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> First page seems to be a copy from : +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Accessibility_Guide/ar01s09s04.html">http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Accessibility_Guide/ar01s09s04.html</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> People should read this page before stealing work from other projects : +</I>>><i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is being corrected, thanks for spotting this! +</I> +Now seeing where it went wrong: it was mentioned on the first page where +it came from + +<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accesibility_Guide">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accesibility_Guide</A> + +These ideas and most of the descriptions are taken from the +[Documentation Project] +<A HREF="http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Accessibility_Guide/index.html|Fedora">http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Accessibility_Guide/index.html|Fedora</A> + The original text and illustrations in this document are licensed by +Red Hat under a Creative Commons Attribution–Share Alike 3.0 Unported +license ("CC-BY-SA"). You can find more about on the first site in the +link above. + +But of course that doesn't help if you click directly to one of the +following pages :/ +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008123.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8124">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8124">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8124">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8124">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008125.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008125.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3dea692a0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008125.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF2848E.5060602%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008123.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008127.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF2848E.5060602%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Jul 3 07:35:10 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008123.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8125">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8125">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8125">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8125">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 02/07/2012 20:59, José Alberto Valle Cid wrote: +><i> Reading a post in the blogkdrake's post, i see that yum is provided in +</I>><i> the repositories and even is part of the instructions in this pages of +</I>><i> the wiki +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accesibility_Guide_Desktops#Sugar:_Making_computing_accessible_for_children">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accesibility_Guide_Desktops#Sugar:_Making_computing_accessible_for_children</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accesibility_Guide_On_Screen_Keyboards">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accesibility_Guide_On_Screen_Keyboards</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> is there a special motive for this ? +</I> +Yum has been in Mageia repositories since before Mageia 1 stable (since +January 9th, 2011). Mandriva already had the package before Mageia was +born. + +The instructions in the wiki were imported because we want to do more +for people who need help with accessibility. Those pages haven't been +adapted to Mageia yet. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008123.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8125">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8125">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8125">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8125">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008126.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008126.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b28cc35ec --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008126.html @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Ark%20extraction%20from%20context%20menu&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF2EAE5.8050406%40kde.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008105.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008100.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu</H1> + <B>Anne Wilson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Ark%20extraction%20from%20context%20menu&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF2EAE5.8050406%40kde.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu">annew at kde.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Jul 3 14:51:49 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8126">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8126">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8126">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8126">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +Hash: SHA1 + +On 01/07/12 12:06, Anne Wilson wrote: +><i> On 01/07/12 06:04, Norbert Marchl wrote: +</I>>><i> Am 2012-06-30 20:59, schrieb Anne Wilson: +</I>>>><i> The context menu options, "Extract here, Autodetect subfolder" +</I>>>><i> and siblings don't seem to be working very well - although the +</I>>>><i> simpler "Extract to" seems fine. Anyone able to confirm? +</I>>><i> Here in the german version (Mageia 1, Ark 2.16, KDE 4.6.5) it +</I>>><i> works well and korrekt. But don't forget Anne in the second case +</I>>><i> you determine where the files go in, in the first case Ark try +</I>>><i> to find out from the archive, Maybe here a trail to a anser for +</I>>><i> you? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I used this facility regularly in Fedora, so I'm trying to find +</I>><i> out whether the Mageia package is faulty or I am missing something +</I>><i> or have a mis-configuration. Yes, I use KDE. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I subscribe to Magnatune. I download an album such as +</I>><i> Takashi_Matsuishi_Spark_-_Selected_Duets-vbr.zip. Using "Extract +</I>><i> here, Autodetect subfolder" it should see that there is already a +</I>><i> Takashi_Matsuishi_Spark folder, change to it and extract the album +</I>><i> Selected Duets inside that folder. However, extraction simply +</I>><i> doesn't happen. I see a short white flash, and nothing further. +</I>><i> Nor does it happen if I just use "Extract here". "Extract to" +</I>><i> waits for me to point to the folder, then extracts. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I can work around things, but it's not slick. I just can't think +</I>><i> of any configuration I might have set that could mess this up. +</I>><i> +</I>Just to clarify - I have tested on Cauldron, and there the context +entries work perfectly. + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? 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Mandriva already had the package before Mageia was +</I>><i> born. +</I> +And since Mageia 2 I believe, zypper (from OpenSuSE) is also available. I don't know why yum and +zypper are in our distribution though. Same goes for Fedora tools like abrt and sos actually. + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008129.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8127">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8127">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8127">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8127">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008128.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008128.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f2b370130 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008128.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Kmail%20-%20problems%20for%20filtering%20%28double%20entries%20or%0A%09complete%20lost%29&In-Reply-To=%3C1718301.PkNGgapdP3%40localhost.localdomain%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008133.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008135.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost)</H1> + <B>Vinet Raphaël</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Kmail%20-%20problems%20for%20filtering%20%28double%20entries%20or%0A%09complete%20lost%29&In-Reply-To=%3C1718301.PkNGgapdP3%40localhost.localdomain%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost)">superaphke at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 4 18:46:26 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008133.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8128">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8128">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8128">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8128">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, + + +I don't know it it is already the case but I think that the follow-up for +problems in filtering in kmail is important for a fast incorporation in Mageia +2 (if correction is good of course ;)). + +Indeed I just received the mail here below in the mailinglist kdepim-users +(From Andras Mantia <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">amantia at kde.org</A>>) + +"Hi, +I pushed some changes to the mail filtering that should address at least +the two most common bugs: mail content loss on piping through external +filters (like spam filters) and mail duplication after filtering into a +folder. + The patch is right now only in master, and although seems to work fine for +me, I could never reproduce the loss itself. If you are familiar how to +build KDE from master, please do it and give it a test. +You must restart akonadi after installing the new version." + + +A+ +Raph +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008133.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8128">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8128">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8128">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8128">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008129.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008129.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e2a644682 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008129.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAN1SA7KjtpNWkpFxxb-vahqs-J5HVXaM6hP4qu3Mu8TDCQWhhw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008127.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008130.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?</H1> + <B>José Alberto Valle Cid</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAN1SA7KjtpNWkpFxxb-vahqs-J5HVXaM6hP4qu3Mu8TDCQWhhw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?">j.alberto.vc at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 4 18:52:24 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008130.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8129">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8129">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8129">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8129">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:45 AM, David Walser <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>> wrote: +><i> Marja van Waes wrote: +</I>>><i> Yum has been in Mageia repositories since before Mageia 1 stable (since +</I>>><i> January 9th, 2011). Mandriva already had the package before Mageia was +</I>>><i> born. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And since Mageia 2 I believe, zypper (from OpenSuSE) is also available. I don't know why yum and +</I>><i> zypper are in our distribution though. Same goes for Fedora tools like abrt and sos actually. +</I>><i> +</I> +Is this tools needed for the iso build or used in weird spells that we +ignore? or why are this packaged ? +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008130.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8129">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8129">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8129">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8129">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008130.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008130.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8552b9a2e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008130.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120704170545.GC21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008129.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008131.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120704170545.GC21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 4 19:05:45 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008129.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8130">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8130">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8130">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8130">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 04 Jul 2012, David Walser wrote: + +><i> Marja van Waes wrote: +</I>><i> > Yum has been in Mageia repositories since before Mageia 1 stable (since +</I>><i> > January 9th, 2011). Mandriva already had the package before Mageia was +</I>><i> > born. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And since Mageia 2 I believe, zypper (from OpenSuSE) is also available. I don't know why yum and +</I>><i> zypper are in our distribution though. Same goes for Fedora tools like abrt and sos actually. +</I> +It allows using zypper or yum repositories on Mageia. + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008129.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8130">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8130">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8130">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8130">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008131.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008131.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..74050b3e5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008131.html @@ -0,0 +1,62 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? 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Mandriva already had the package before Mageia was +</I>>><i> born. +</I>><i> And since Mageia 2 I believe, zypper (from OpenSuSE) is also available. I don't know why yum and +</I>><i> zypper are in our distribution though. Same goes for Fedora tools like abrt and sos actually. +</I>><i> +</I>ABRT is meant to be a better replacement for bug-buddy. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008133.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8132">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8132">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8132">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8132">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008133.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008133.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7f5b41b3d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008133.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF47ACD.8010407%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008132.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008128.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?</H1> + <B>Kristoffer Grundström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF47ACD.8010407%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 4 19:18:05 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8133">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8133">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8133">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8133">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012-07-04 17:45, David Walser skrev: +><i> Marja van Waes wrote: +</I>>><i> Yum has been in Mageia repositories since before Mageia 1 stable (since +</I>>><i> January 9th, 2011). Mandriva already had the package before Mageia was +</I>>><i> born. +</I>><i> And since Mageia 2 I believe, zypper (from OpenSuSE) is also available. I don't know why yum and +</I>><i> zypper are in our distribution though. Same goes for Fedora tools like abrt and sos actually. +</I>><i> +</I>ABRT is meant to be a better replacement for bug-buddy. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8133">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8133">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8133">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8133">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008134.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008134.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..46218db16 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008134.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Cjt1v17%24ktd%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008131.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008132.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?</H1> + <B>David Walser</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Did%20you%20plan%20to%20migrate%20to%20yum%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Cjt1v17%24ktd%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ?">luigiwalser at yahoo.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 4 19:36:16 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8134">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8134">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8134">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8134">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>nicolas vigier wrote: +><i> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012, David Walser wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Marja van Waes wrote: +</I>>><i> > Yum has been in Mageia repositories since before Mageia 1 stable (since +</I>>><i> > January 9th, 2011). Mandriva already had the package before Mageia was +</I>>><i> > born. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And since Mageia 2 I believe, zypper (from OpenSuSE) is also available. I don't know why yum and +</I>>><i> zypper are in our distribution though. Same goes for Fedora tools like abrt and sos actually. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It allows using zypper or yum repositories on Mageia. +</I> +Wouldn't it be better if urpmi supported those type of repositories, so they could be integrated +into our tools (like if upstreams provide a yum repo of their software with rpms that should work on +any distro, like Adobe has done IIRC and possibly Google, etc)? + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8134">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8134">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8134">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8134">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008135.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008135.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9209ac068 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008135.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Kmail%20-%20problems%20for%20filtering%20%28double%20entries%0A%09or%20complete%20lost%29&In-Reply-To=%3Cjt1v3g%24ktd%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008128.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008136.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost)</H1> + <B>David Walser</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Kmail%20-%20problems%20for%20filtering%20%28double%20entries%0A%09or%20complete%20lost%29&In-Reply-To=%3Cjt1v3g%24ktd%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost)">luigiwalser at yahoo.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 4 19:37:29 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8135">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8135">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8135">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8135">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Vinet Raphaël wrote: +><i> Hi, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't know it it is already the case but I think that the follow-up for +</I>><i> problems in filtering in kmail is important for a fast incorporation in Mageia +</I>><i> 2 (if correction is good of course ;)). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Indeed I just received the mail here below in the mailinglist kdepim-users +</I>><i> (From Andras Mantia <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">amantia at kde.org</A>>) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "Hi, +</I>><i> I pushed some changes to the mail filtering that should address at least +</I>><i> the two most common bugs: mail content loss on piping through external +</I>><i> filters (like spam filters) and mail duplication after filtering into a +</I>><i> folder. +</I>><i> The patch is right now only in master, and although seems to work fine for +</I>><i> me, I could never reproduce the loss itself. If you are familiar how to +</I>><i> build KDE from master, please do it and give it a test. +</I>><i> You must restart akonadi after installing the new version." +</I> +Thanks for the report. Could you report this in Bugzilla so that the packagers might see it? + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8135">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8135">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8135">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8135">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008136.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008136.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c80572b4f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008136.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Kmail%20-%20problems%20for%20filtering%20%28double%20entries%0A%20or%20complete%20lost%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCABV-EOvgC8Xan-DxvvTwuo_xs12y4hTn3EA7o9hahNdCwJ-1FQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008135.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008137.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost)</H1> + <B>John Balcaen</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Kmail%20-%20problems%20for%20filtering%20%28double%20entries%0A%20or%20complete%20lost%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCABV-EOvgC8Xan-DxvvTwuo_xs12y4hTn3EA7o9hahNdCwJ-1FQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost)">mikala at mageia.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 4 20:30:32 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8136">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8136">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8136">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8136">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/7/4 David Walser <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>>: +><i> Vinet Raphaël wrote: +</I>>><i> Hi, +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I don't know it it is already the case but I think that the follow-up for +</I>>><i> problems in filtering in kmail is important for a fast incorporation in Mageia +</I>>><i> 2 (if correction is good of course ;)). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Indeed I just received the mail here below in the mailinglist kdepim-users +</I>>><i> (From Andras Mantia <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">amantia at kde.org</A>>) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> "Hi, +</I>>><i> I pushed some changes to the mail filtering that should address at least +</I>>><i> the two most common bugs: mail content loss on piping through external +</I>>><i> filters (like spam filters) and mail duplication after filtering into a +</I>>><i> folder. +</I>>><i> The patch is right now only in master, and although seems to work fine for +</I>>><i> me, I could never reproduce the loss itself. If you are familiar how to +</I>>><i> build KDE from master, please do it and give it a test. +</I>>><i> You must restart akonadi after installing the new version." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks for the report. Could you report this in Bugzilla so that the packagers might see it? +</I>In fact like debian's maintainer i'm waiting for the commit id currently :p +(i'll already add several patch to our 4.8.4 available only on svn currently ) + + +-- +Balcaen John +Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8136">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8136">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8136">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8136">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008137.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008137.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..33be3442f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008137.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Kmail%20-%20problems%20for%20filtering%20%28double%20entries%0A%20or%20complete%20lost%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCABV-EOuBUq1YBWDGrFGcxGp7RVeAVrEUWKaDfgr2HuKScF8LMQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008136.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008138.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost)</H1> + <B>John Balcaen</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Kmail%20-%20problems%20for%20filtering%20%28double%20entries%0A%20or%20complete%20lost%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCABV-EOuBUq1YBWDGrFGcxGp7RVeAVrEUWKaDfgr2HuKScF8LMQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost)">mikala at mageia.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 4 20:34:22 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8137">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8137">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8137">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8137">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/7/4 John Balcaen <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mikala at mageia.org</A>>: +><i> 2012/7/4 David Walser <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> Vinet Raphaël wrote: +</I>>>><i> Hi, +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I don't know it it is already the case but I think that the follow-up for +</I>>>><i> problems in filtering in kmail is important for a fast incorporation in Mageia +</I>>>><i> 2 (if correction is good of course ;)). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Indeed I just received the mail here below in the mailinglist kdepim-users +</I>>>><i> (From Andras Mantia <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">amantia at kde.org</A>>) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> "Hi, +</I>>>><i> I pushed some changes to the mail filtering that should address at least +</I>>>><i> the two most common bugs: mail content loss on piping through external +</I>>>><i> filters (like spam filters) and mail duplication after filtering into a +</I>>>><i> folder. +</I>>>><i> The patch is right now only in master, and although seems to work fine for +</I>>>><i> me, I could never reproduce the loss itself. If you are familiar how to +</I>>>><i> build KDE from master, please do it and give it a test. +</I>>>><i> You must restart akonadi after installing the new version." +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Thanks for the report. Could you report this in Bugzilla so that the packagers might see it? +</I>><i> In fact like debian's maintainer i'm waiting for the commit id currently :p +</I>><i> (i'll already add several patch to our 4.8.4 available only on svn currently ) +</I>In fact the patch is quite intrusive [1] & i'm not sure that the patch +is only in kdepim (we'll wait for andreas answer on kdepim-users) : +<A HREF="https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdepim/repository/revisions/d64d61b470c56b92294f6adee6d74305a217628d">https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdepim/repository/revisions/d64d61b470c56b92294f6adee6d74305a217628d</A> +' +-- +Balcaen John +Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8137">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8137">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8137">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8137">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008138.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008138.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..22f23e92b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008138.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Kmail%20-%20problems%20for%20filtering%20%28double%20entries%0A%09or%20complete%20lost%29&In-Reply-To=%3C1693092.IBiAXM117W%40localhost.localdomain%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008137.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008139.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost)</H1> + <B>Vinet Raphaël</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Kmail%20-%20problems%20for%20filtering%20%28double%20entries%0A%09or%20complete%20lost%29&In-Reply-To=%3C1693092.IBiAXM117W%40localhost.localdomain%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost)">superaphke at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 4 20:41:37 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008139.html">[Mageia-discuss] "new look" of the wiki Mageia and "navigation bar" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8138">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8138">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8138">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8138">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 4 juillet 2012 15:34:22 John Balcaen a écrit : +><i> 2012/7/4 John Balcaen <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mikala at mageia.org</A>>: +</I>><i> > 2012/7/4 David Walser <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>>: +</I>><i> >> Vinet Raphaël wrote: +</I>... +><i> >> Thanks for the report. Could you report this in Bugzilla so that the +</I>><i> >> packagers might see it?> +</I>><i> > In fact like debian's maintainer i'm waiting for the commit id currently +</I>><i> > :p +</I>><i> > (i'll already add several patch to our 4.8.4 available only on svn +</I>><i> > currently ) +</I>><i> In fact the patch is quite intrusive [1] & i'm not sure that the patch +</I>><i> is only in kdepim (we'll wait for andreas answer on kdepim-users) : +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdepim/repository/revisions/d64d61b470">https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdepim/repository/revisions/d64d61b470</A> +</I>><i> c56b92294f6adee6d74305a217628d ' +</I>So is it useful that i open a new ticket in our bugzilla ? I don't think so +but ... ;) + +A+ +Raph +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008139.html">[Mageia-discuss] "new look" of the wiki Mageia and "navigation bar" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8138">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8138">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8138">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8138">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008139.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008139.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..08b8089e4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008139.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] "new look" of the wiki Mageia and "navigation bar" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%22new%20look%22%20of%20the%20wiki%20Mageia%20and%20%22navigation%20bar%22&In-Reply-To=%3C201207041919.28436.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Partition 3 is mounted +and in use. + +Unfortunately I don't know which software to blame, but something has +made my hard drive "interesting". It could be; cfdisk itself, the +Mageia 2 installer (the main suspect), the Ubuntu installer, fdisk, +or sfdisk. There might be multiple bugs. + +I think that the order of events was; +I noticed a tiny amount of unused space at the end of my HDD +the perfect place for a LiLo map file. +Created a new primary partition (numbered 3, because 1, 2 and 4 existed). +"Fixed" the partition order with fdisk. +Found that the extended partition had grown to cover the whole disk. +Found that the third primary partition had been changed to logical. +(There were still two primary partitions in the middle of the disk.) +Found that sfdisk has decent man pages. +Fixed the problem. +Found that cfdisk is still not happy. + +Does anyone know what to raise that bug report against? + +[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> bin]# cat /etc/release +Mageia release 1 (Official) for x86_64 +[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> bin]# sfdisk -l -uS -L + +Disk /dev/sda: 121601 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track +Warning: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundary. +DOS and Linux will interpret the contents differently. +Units = sectors of 512 bytes, counting from 0 + + Device Boot Start End #sectors Id System +/dev/sda1 * 63 577440359 577440297 5 Extended +/dev/sda2 577440360 1562899589 985459230 83 Linux +/dev/sda3 1562899590 1953520064 390620475 83 Linux +/dev/sda4 1953520065 1953523054 2990 83 Linux + start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (769,0,1) + end: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (769,47,29) +/dev/sda5 126 22507064 22506939 83 Linux +/dev/sda6 22507128 26587574 4080447 83 Linux +/dev/sda7 26587638 77786729 51199092 83 Linux +/dev/sda8 77786793 98253539 20466747 82 Linux swap / Solaris +/dev/sda9 98253603 122816924 24563322 83 Linux +/dev/sda10 122816988 126897434 4080447 83 Linux +/dev/sda11 126897498 167847119 40949622 83 Linux +/dev/sda12 167847183 577440359 409593177 83 Linux +[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> bin]# + + +-- +blind Pete +Sig goes here... + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008141.html">[Mageia-discuss] "new look" of the wiki Mageia and "navigation bar" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008143.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8142">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8142">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8142">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8142">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008143.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008143.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..87271a7b2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008143.html @@ -0,0 +1,128 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C201207051222.45324.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008142.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008147.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug</H1> + <B>Morgan Leijström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C201207051222.45324.fri%40tribun.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug">fri at tribun.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 5 12:22:44 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008142.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008147.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8143">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8143">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8143">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8143">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I have entered a couple partitioning bugs myself... +Not similar to this one though. + +Important is to enter it in bugzilla at all, with as many details you can. +-And i see you have done a good job to start with :) + +Someone can then fill in or edit package or whatever. + +It would also be interesting to know what other tools say. +gparted? + +Thanks +/Morgan + +torsdagen den 5 juli 2012 11.10.30 skrev blind Pete: +><i> Cfdisk is very unhappy about something. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 3: Partition begins after +</I>><i> end-of-disk Press any key to exit cfdisk +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It looks like cfdisk's error message is wrong. Partition 3 is mounted +</I>><i> and in use. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Unfortunately I don't know which software to blame, but something has +</I>><i> made my hard drive "interesting". It could be; cfdisk itself, the +</I>><i> Mageia 2 installer (the main suspect), the Ubuntu installer, fdisk, +</I>><i> or sfdisk. There might be multiple bugs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think that the order of events was; +</I>><i> I noticed a tiny amount of unused space at the end of my HDD +</I>><i> the perfect place for a LiLo map file. +</I>><i> Created a new primary partition (numbered 3, because 1, 2 and 4 existed). +</I>><i> "Fixed" the partition order with fdisk. +</I>><i> Found that the extended partition had grown to cover the whole disk. +</I>><i> Found that the third primary partition had been changed to logical. +</I>><i> (There were still two primary partitions in the middle of the disk.) +</I>><i> Found that sfdisk has decent man pages. +</I>><i> Fixed the problem. +</I>><i> Found that cfdisk is still not happy. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Does anyone know what to raise that bug report against? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> bin]# cat /etc/release +</I>><i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for x86_64 +</I>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> bin]# sfdisk -l -uS -L +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Disk /dev/sda: 121601 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track +</I>><i> Warning: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundary. +</I>><i> DOS and Linux will interpret the contents differently. +</I>><i> Units = sectors of 512 bytes, counting from 0 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Device Boot Start End #sectors Id System +</I>><i> /dev/sda1 * 63 577440359 577440297 5 Extended +</I>><i> /dev/sda2 577440360 1562899589 985459230 83 Linux +</I>><i> /dev/sda3 1562899590 1953520064 390620475 83 Linux +</I>><i> /dev/sda4 1953520065 1953523054 2990 83 Linux +</I>><i> start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (769,0,1) +</I>><i> end: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (769,47,29) +</I>><i> /dev/sda5 126 22507064 22506939 83 Linux +</I>><i> /dev/sda6 22507128 26587574 4080447 83 Linux +</I>><i> /dev/sda7 26587638 77786729 51199092 83 Linux +</I>><i> /dev/sda8 77786793 98253539 20466747 82 Linux swap / Solaris +</I>><i> /dev/sda9 98253603 122816924 24563322 83 Linux +</I>><i> /dev/sda10 122816988 126897434 4080447 83 Linux +</I>><i> /dev/sda11 126897498 167847119 40949622 83 Linux +</I>><i> /dev/sda12 167847183 577440359 409593177 83 Linux +</I>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> bin]# +</I> +-- +Morgan Leijström +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008142.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008147.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8143">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8143">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8143">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8143">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008144.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008144.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..734000d97 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008144.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.wgzqx0tyn7mcit%40hodgins.homeip.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008226.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008146.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug</H1> + <B>David W. Hodgins</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.wgzqx0tyn7mcit%40hodgins.homeip.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug">davidwhodgins at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 5 22:52:38 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008226.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008146.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8144">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8144">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8144">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8144">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 05:10:30 -0400, blind Pete <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>> wrote: + +><i> Cfdisk is very unhappy about something. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 3: Partition begins after end-of-disk +</I>><i> Press any key to exit cfdisk +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It looks like cfdisk's error message is wrong. Partition 3 is mounted +</I>><i> and in use. +</I> +><i> Disk /dev/sda: 121601 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track +</I>><i> Warning: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundary. +</I>><i> DOS and Linux will interpret the contents differently. +</I>><i> Units = sectors of 512 bytes, counting from 0 +</I>121601x255x63=1953520065 +><i> Device Boot Start End #sectors Id System +</I>><i> /dev/sda1 * 63 577440359 577440297 5 Extended +</I>><i> /dev/sda2 577440360 1562899589 985459230 83 Linux +</I>><i> /dev/sda3 1562899590 1953520064 390620475 83 Linux +</I>><i> /dev/sda4 1953520065 1953523054 2990 83 Linux +</I> +What is in sda4? It starts one sector past the end of the drive. + +Regards, Dave Hodgins +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008226.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008146.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8144">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8144">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8144">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8144">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008145.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008145.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d8685e775 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008145.html @@ -0,0 +1,115 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MGA2%3A%20Gnome%20session%20%26%20system%20freeze%20issues&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4ktRTJ5O7N-DsnPAzv10qW5r4xr-9Ls%2BoQMwdeYpJSuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008297.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008148.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MGA2%3A%20Gnome%20session%20%26%20system%20freeze%20issues&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4ktRTJ5O7N-DsnPAzv10qW5r4xr-9Ls%2BoQMwdeYpJSuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 6 09:56:43 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008297.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008148.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8145">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8145">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8145">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8145">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>MGA2 x86_64, Gnome +Nvidia graphics, latest proprietary driver from the MGA non-free repo +All updates. + +1. Gnome starts new session out of the blue + +Today I was editing a document in gedit. Other open applications were +chromium-browser and gkrellm. Suddenly out of the blue in the middle +of writing a word the screen changed to a new session, screen with GDM +showing). Logging in again no application was saved, work lost as well +as 2 tabs in the browser where I did not save the URLs yet. syslog +shows a Gnome session I/O failure before the session switch: + + - Jul 6 07:28:49 marvin-1 gnome-session[2301]: Gdk-WARNING: +gnome-session: Fatal IO error 11 (ressource temporarily not available) +on X server :0. + +After session restart a long list of "DEBUG" messages followed. No +errors reported in that list. + + +2. Occasional system deep freeze + +Starting some time ago and occurring last time yesterday I get a deep +freeze (only SysRq keys for forced reboot working). Inquiring I found +this message in syslog: + + - Jul 5 13:27:42 marvin-1 kernel: [10565.322087] NVRM: GPU at +0000:01:00.0 has fallen off the bus. + +man-draker in the German forum pointed me to +<A HREF="http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-rhel-fedora-linux-nvidia-nvrm-gpu-fallen-off-bus/">http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-rhel-fedora-linux-nvidia-nvrm-gpu-fallen-off-bus/</A> +which talks about persistence mode of nvidia-smi. The persistence mode +is disabled by default. Switched it to "enabled" but I am not sure if +this is the true culprit - the same error should have come up more +often and on other people's machines as well if this setting was the +culprit, right? + +Another idea was offered by doktor5000: +"It could be some malfunction of systemd and you could ask Colin about it". :) + +Additional information: the freeze is not caused by faulty memory, I +let memtest run over nicht for 8 hours, no errors. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008297.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008148.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8145">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8145">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8145">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8145">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008146.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008146.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..51c334654 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008146.html @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3Cb7hic9-l82.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008144.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008285.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug</H1> + <B>blind Pete</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3Cb7hic9-l82.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug">0123peter at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 6 09:37:47 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008144.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008285.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8146">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8146">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8146">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8146">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>David W. Hodgins wrote: + +><i> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 05:10:30 -0400, blind Pete +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Cfdisk is very unhappy about something. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 3: Partition begins after +</I>>><i> end-of-disk Press any key to exit cfdisk +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It looks like cfdisk's error message is wrong. Partition 3 is mounted +</I>>><i> and in use. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Disk /dev/sda: 121601 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track +</I>>><i> Warning: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundary. +</I>>><i> DOS and Linux will interpret the contents differently. +</I>>><i> Units = sectors of 512 bytes, counting from 0 +</I>><i> 121601x255x63=1953520065 +</I> +CHS has not been reliable since zones were introduced decades ago. +They are just a general hint that it is a big drive. LBA or +sector number is all that matters. What happens inside the HDD +case is an unknowable mystery. + +Even if partition four were past the end of the disk it would not +excuse cfdisk for complaining about partition three. + +<----cut-n-paste----> +[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> ~]# fdisk -l + +Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB, 1000203804160 bytes +255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953523055 sectors +<----cut-n-paste----> + +>><i> Device Boot Start End #sectors Id System +</I>>><i> /dev/sda1 * 63 577440359 577440297 5 Extended +</I>>><i> /dev/sda2 577440360 1562899589 985459230 83 Linux +</I>>><i> /dev/sda3 1562899590 1953520064 390620475 83 Linux +</I>>><i> /dev/sda4 1953520065 1953523054 2990 83 Linux +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What is in sda4? +</I> +An ext2 file system, a LiLo map file and a lilo.conf file. + +><i> It starts one sector past the end of the drive. +</I> +Not according to fdisk, although sfdisk was silent about +the total number of sectors. + +><i> Regards, Dave Hodgins +</I> +-- +blind Pete +Sig goes here... + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008144.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008285.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8146">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8146">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8146">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8146">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008147.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008147.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2dfbade16 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008147.html @@ -0,0 +1,138 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3Cnniic9-uga.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008143.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008158.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug</H1> + <B>blind Pete</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3Cnniic9-uga.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug">0123peter at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 6 10:03:34 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008143.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008158.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8147">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8147">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8147">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8147">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Morgan Leijström wrote: + +><i> I have entered a couple partitioning bugs myself... +</I>><i> Not similar to this one though. +</I> +I'm very good at breaking things in unusual ways. ;-) + +><i> Important is to enter it in bugzilla at all, with as many details you can. +</I>><i> -And i see you have done a good job to start with :) +</I> +After we work out what the bug is, or bugs are. + +><i> Someone can then fill in or edit package or whatever. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It would also be interesting to know what other tools say. +</I>><i> gparted? +</I> +Gparted looks pretty. As far as I can see, gparted agrees +with what I think things should look like. Gparted and +fdisk agree about the number of sectors. (More than you +get by multiplying CxHxS.) + +><i> Thanks +</I>><i> /Morgan +</I>><i> +</I>><i> torsdagen den 5 juli 2012 11.10.30 skrev blind Pete: +</I>>><i> Cfdisk is very unhappy about something. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 3: Partition begins after +</I>>><i> end-of-disk Press any key to exit cfdisk +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It looks like cfdisk's error message is wrong. Partition 3 is mounted +</I>>><i> and in use. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Unfortunately I don't know which software to blame, but something has +</I>>><i> made my hard drive "interesting". It could be; cfdisk itself, the +</I>>><i> Mageia 2 installer (the main suspect), the Ubuntu installer, fdisk, +</I>>><i> or sfdisk. There might be multiple bugs. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I think that the order of events was; +</I>>><i> I noticed a tiny amount of unused space at the end of my HDD +</I>>><i> the perfect place for a LiLo map file. +</I>>><i> Created a new primary partition (numbered 3, because 1, 2 and 4 existed). +</I>>><i> "Fixed" the partition order with fdisk. +</I>>><i> Found that the extended partition had grown to cover the whole disk. +</I>>><i> Found that the third primary partition had been changed to logical. +</I>>><i> (There were still two primary partitions in the middle of the disk.) +</I>>><i> Found that sfdisk has decent man pages. +</I>>><i> Fixed the problem. +</I>>><i> Found that cfdisk is still not happy. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Does anyone know what to raise that bug report against? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> bin]# cat /etc/release +</I>>><i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for x86_64 +</I>>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> bin]# sfdisk -l -uS -L +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Disk /dev/sda: 121601 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track +</I>>><i> Warning: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundary. +</I>>><i> DOS and Linux will interpret the contents differently. +</I>>><i> Units = sectors of 512 bytes, counting from 0 +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Device Boot Start End #sectors Id System +</I>>><i> /dev/sda1 * 63 577440359 577440297 5 Extended +</I>>><i> /dev/sda2 577440360 1562899589 985459230 83 Linux +</I>>><i> /dev/sda3 1562899590 1953520064 390620475 83 Linux +</I>>><i> /dev/sda4 1953520065 1953523054 2990 83 Linux +</I>>><i> start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (769,0,1) +</I>>><i> end: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (769,47,29) +</I>>><i> /dev/sda5 126 22507064 22506939 83 Linux +</I>>><i> /dev/sda6 22507128 26587574 4080447 83 Linux +</I>>><i> /dev/sda7 26587638 77786729 51199092 83 Linux +</I>>><i> /dev/sda8 77786793 98253539 20466747 82 Linux swap / Solaris +</I>>><i> /dev/sda9 98253603 122816924 24563322 83 Linux +</I>>><i> /dev/sda10 122816988 126897434 4080447 83 Linux +</I>>><i> /dev/sda11 126897498 167847119 40949622 83 Linux +</I>>><i> /dev/sda12 167847183 577440359 409593177 83 Linux +</I>>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> bin]# +</I>><i> +</I> + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008143.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008158.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8147">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8147">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8147">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8147">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008148.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008148.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3fe312ae8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008148.html @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MGA2%3A%20Gnome%20session%20%26%20system%20freeze%20issues&In-Reply-To=%3CCAHDxzReQKzVMrg5bJLcPY%2BsrKKOvkCU-iGa_KWLK98uu3gY17w%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Gnome starts new session out of the blue +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Today I was editing a document in gedit. Other open applications were +</I>><i> chromium-browser and gkrellm. Suddenly out of the blue in the middle +</I>><i> of writing a word the screen changed to a new session, screen with GDM +</I>><i> showing). Logging in again no application was saved, work lost as well +</I>><i> as 2 tabs in the browser where I did not save the URLs yet. syslog +</I>><i> shows a Gnome session I/O failure before the session switch: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - Jul 6 07:28:49 marvin-1 gnome-session[2301]: Gdk-WARNING: +</I>><i> gnome-session: Fatal IO error 11 (ressource temporarily not available) +</I>><i> on X server :0. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> After session restart a long list of "DEBUG" messages followed. No +</I>><i> errors reported in that list. +</I>><i> +</I> +For this part of your problem, I guess you are hitting this bug: + +<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585</A> + +Alejandro. + + +><i> +</I>><i> 2. Occasional system deep freeze +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Starting some time ago and occurring last time yesterday I get a deep +</I>><i> freeze (only SysRq keys for forced reboot working). Inquiring I found +</I>><i> this message in syslog: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - Jul 5 13:27:42 marvin-1 kernel: [10565.322087] NVRM: GPU at +</I>><i> 0000:01:00.0 has fallen off the bus. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> man-draker in the German forum pointed me to +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-rhel-fedora-linux-nvidia-nvrm-gpu-fallen-off-bus/">http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-rhel-fedora-linux-nvidia-nvrm-gpu-fallen-off-bus/</A> +</I>><i> which talks about persistence mode of nvidia-smi. The persistence mode +</I>><i> is disabled by default. Switched it to "enabled" but I am not sure if +</I>><i> this is the true culprit - the same error should have come up more +</I>><i> often and on other people's machines as well if this setting was the +</I>><i> culprit, right? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Another idea was offered by doktor5000: +</I>><i> "It could be some malfunction of systemd and you could ask Colin about +</I>><i> it". :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Additional information: the freeze is not caused by faulty memory, I +</I>><i> let memtest run over nicht for 8 hours, no errors. +</I>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120706/b8768072/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008145.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008149.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8148">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8148">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8148">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8148">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008149.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008149.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d37c8c783 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008149.html @@ -0,0 +1,135 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MGA2%3A%20Gnome%20session%20%26%20system%20freeze%20issues&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj7s8PBgnNSNYaWP6ZSEahSnXY8sN7N4Nt4YPKRBeM%3DXqQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008148.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008163.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MGA2%3A%20Gnome%20session%20%26%20system%20freeze%20issues&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj7s8PBgnNSNYaWP6ZSEahSnXY8sN7N4Nt4YPKRBeM%3DXqQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 6 13:36:44 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008148.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008163.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8149">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8149">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8149">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8149">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/7/6 Alejandro López <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>><i> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> MGA2 x86_64, Gnome +</I>>><i> Nvidia graphics, latest proprietary driver from the MGA non-free repo +</I>>><i> All updates. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 1. Gnome starts new session out of the blue +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Today I was editing a document in gedit. Other open applications were +</I>>><i> chromium-browser and gkrellm. Suddenly out of the blue in the middle +</I>>><i> of writing a word the screen changed to a new session, screen with GDM +</I>>><i> showing). Logging in again no application was saved, work lost as well +</I>>><i> as 2 tabs in the browser where I did not save the URLs yet. syslog +</I>>><i> shows a Gnome session I/O failure before the session switch: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> - Jul 6 07:28:49 marvin-1 gnome-session[2301]: Gdk-WARNING: +</I>>><i> gnome-session: Fatal IO error 11 (ressource temporarily not available) +</I>>><i> on X server :0. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> After session restart a long list of "DEBUG" messages followed. No +</I>>><i> errors reported in that list. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For this part of your problem, I guess you are hitting this bug: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585</A> +</I>><i> +</I> +Thx for replying but I do not see any resemblence/relation to the +described error in bug #2585 + +>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 2. Occasional system deep freeze +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Starting some time ago and occurring last time yesterday I get a deep +</I>>><i> freeze (only SysRq keys for forced reboot working). Inquiring I found +</I>>><i> this message in syslog: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> - Jul 5 13:27:42 marvin-1 kernel: [10565.322087] NVRM: GPU at +</I>>><i> 0000:01:00.0 has fallen off the bus. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> man-draker in the German forum pointed me to +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-rhel-fedora-linux-nvidia-nvrm-gpu-fallen-off-bus/">http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-rhel-fedora-linux-nvidia-nvrm-gpu-fallen-off-bus/</A> +</I>>><i> which talks about persistence mode of nvidia-smi. The persistence mode +</I>>><i> is disabled by default. Switched it to "enabled" but I am not sure if +</I>>><i> this is the true culprit - the same error should have come up more +</I>>><i> often and on other people's machines as well if this setting was the +</I>>><i> culprit, right? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Another idea was offered by doktor5000: +</I>>><i> "It could be some malfunction of systemd and you could ask Colin about +</I>>><i> it". :) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Additional information: the freeze is not caused by faulty memory, I +</I>>><i> let memtest run over nicht for 8 hours, no errors. +</I> +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008148.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008163.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8149">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8149">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8149">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8149">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008150.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008150.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..005217f75 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008150.html @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Bugzilla mass assignee ping + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Bugzilla%20mass%20assignee%20ping&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF6CF41.2040505%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Like using Bugzilla's native +whining feature, or an equivalent where each assignee only get +notified of his assigned bugs in a single mail listing those? +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008152.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8151">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8151">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8151">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8151">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008152.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008152.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6a6cca400 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008152.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BMageia-bugsquad%5D%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Bugzilla%20mass%0A%09assignee%20ping&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF6D668.3060204%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008151.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008153.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BMageia-bugsquad%5D%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Bugzilla%20mass%0A%09assignee%20ping&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF6D668.3060204%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 6 14:13:28 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008151.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008153.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8152">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8152">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8152">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8152">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 06/07/2012 13:59, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +><i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Marja van Waes<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> Later today there'll be a mass assignee ping for Bugzilla. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Couldn't we use another method than this? Like using Bugzilla's native +</I>><i> whining feature, or an equivalent where each assignee only get +</I>><i> notified of his assigned bugs in a single mail listing those? +</I> +Yes, that would be a lot better. + +I understood that feature was disabled to solve bug 1932 + +<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932</A> + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008151.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008153.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8152">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8152">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8152">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8152">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008153.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008153.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9c84cb841 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008153.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BMageia-bugsquad%5D%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Bugzilla%20mass%0A%20assignee%20ping&In-Reply-To=%3CCANa9xwtxou-o-2qaCRKamXFw_UJW5-46T_xKU9xZ%2BwZnwo8DcQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008152.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008154.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BMageia-bugsquad%5D%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Bugzilla%20mass%0A%20assignee%20ping&In-Reply-To=%3CCANa9xwtxou-o-2qaCRKamXFw_UJW5-46T_xKU9xZ%2BwZnwo8DcQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 6 14:22:01 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008152.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008154.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8153">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8153">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8153">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8153">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Marja van Waes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>> wrote: +><i> On 06/07/2012 13:59, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Marja van Waes<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Later today there'll be a mass assignee ping for Bugzilla. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Couldn't we use another method than this? Like using Bugzilla's native +</I>>><i> whining feature, or an equivalent where each assignee only get +</I>>><i> notified of his assigned bugs in a single mail listing those? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, that would be a lot better. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I understood that feature was disabled to solve bug 1932 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932</A> +</I> +Ok, but there a daily reminder is nonsense. + +A monthly (or every 2 months) reminder of bugs fitting in your above +query would sound sane, if it's sent only to the assignee. If not, +then the whole mass ping itself should not be done either. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008152.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008154.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8153">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8153">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8153">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8153">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008154.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008154.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3d2073d44 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008154.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BMageia-bugsquad%5D%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Bugzilla%20mass%0A%20assignee%20ping&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF6DE88.9070800%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008153.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008155.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BMageia-bugsquad%5D%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Bugzilla%20mass%0A%20assignee%20ping&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF6DE88.9070800%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 6 14:48:08 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008153.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008155.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8154">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8154">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8154">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8154">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 06/07/2012 14:22, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +><i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Marja van Waes<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> On 06/07/2012 13:59, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Marja van Waes<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Later today there'll be a mass assignee ping for Bugzilla. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Couldn't we use another method than this? Like using Bugzilla's native +</I>>>><i> whining feature, or an equivalent where each assignee only get +</I>>>><i> notified of his assigned bugs in a single mail listing those? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes, that would be a lot better. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I understood that feature was disabled to solve bug 1932 +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ok, but there a daily reminder is nonsense. +</I> + +Maybe it works better in upgraded Bugzilla :) +><i> +</I>><i> A monthly (or every 2 months) reminder of bugs fitting in your above +</I>><i> query would sound sane, if it's sent only to the assignee. If not, +</I>><i> then the whole mass ping itself should not be done either. +</I> +Waiting one month to find out whether a bug was assigned correctly is +too long, in my opinion, unless the assignee is busy gathering enough +information to be able to tell. + +I think we should ping bug reports for which we haven't got a +confirmation that the assignment was correct after two weeks, except +when the assignee shows activity in the report. + +If the assignee thinks the bug was assigned correctly, he can put OK on +the whiteboard or set status to ASSIGNED, and he won't show up in this +search again, so he won't be pinged for this reason again. + + + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008153.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008155.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8154">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8154">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8154">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8154">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008155.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008155.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bcfdce660 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008155.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Bugzilla%20mass%20assignee%20ping&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2BCX%2Bbiy36%2BA-zejo3E6dRB05MkxVTLjm00VEJn9g0KuZfv8uA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Suspend is no longer an option from the user menu... Power +Off expects me to type in the root password and then just logs me out. +Once in GDM I have the option (again) of powering off or suspending, +both of which hang the laptop in Console 1 and permit me only to +return to the GDM login prompt in Console 2. Maybe this is related to +your problem. + +Mike +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008156.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8157">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8157">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8157">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8157">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008158.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008158.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e7a643696 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008158.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.wg1zcyw7n7mcit%40hodgins.homeip.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008147.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008159.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug</H1> + <B>David W. Hodgins</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.wg1zcyw7n7mcit%40hodgins.homeip.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug">davidwhodgins at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 7 03:49:36 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008147.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008159.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8158">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8158">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8158">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8158">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 04:03:34 -0400, blind Pete <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>> wrote: + +><i> Morgan Leijström wrote: +</I>>><i> It would also be interesting to know what other tools say. +</I>>><i> gparted? +</I> +><i> Gparted looks pretty. As far as I can see, gparted agrees +</I>><i> with what I think things should look like. Gparted and +</I>><i> fdisk agree about the number of sectors. (More than you +</I>><i> get by multiplying CxHxS.) +</I> +Interesting. I guess it would be best to use 'hdparm -i /dev/sda|grep LBAsects" +to find out the number of sectors. + +Regards, Dave Hodgins +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008147.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008159.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8158">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8158">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8158">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8158">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008159.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008159.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6190756c1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008159.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3Cvapkc9-kc7.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008158.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008160.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug</H1> + <B>blind Pete</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3Cvapkc9-kc7.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug">0123peter at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 7 06:08:30 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008158.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008160.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8159">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8159">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8159">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8159">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>David W. Hodgins wrote: + +><i> On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 04:03:34 -0400, blind Pete +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Morgan Leijström wrote: +</I>>>><i> It would also be interesting to know what other tools say. +</I>>>><i> gparted? +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Gparted looks pretty. As far as I can see, gparted agrees +</I>>><i> with what I think things should look like. Gparted and +</I>>><i> fdisk agree about the number of sectors. (More than you +</I>>><i> get by multiplying CxHxS.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Interesting. I guess it would be best to use 'hdparm -i /dev/sda|grep +</I>><i> LBAsects" to find out the number of sectors. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards, Dave Hodgins +</I> +[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> ~]# hdparm -i /dev/sda | grep LBA + CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=1953523055 +[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> ~]# + +Same number of sectors as gparted and fdisk report. Number of heads +and sectors per cylinder are just, "it's a big disk". _Posssibly_ +number of cylinders gives a clue about how big. H can be 63 or 255, +depending on mood, and CxHxS should be a little less than max LBA. + +The situation just got worse. The latest work arround is to lie +about how big a sector is. That is called "advanced" formatting. + +-- +blind Pete +Sig goes here... + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008158.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008160.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8159">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8159">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8159">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8159">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008160.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008160.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..76e8aebc5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008160.html @@ -0,0 +1,123 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF7EAF2.7050309%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008159.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008161.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF7EAF2.7050309%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug">andre999mga at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 7 09:53:22 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008159.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008161.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8160">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8160">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8160">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8160">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>blind Pete a écrit : +><i> David W. Hodgins wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 04:03:34 -0400, blind Pete +</I>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Morgan Leijström wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> It would also be interesting to know what other tools say. +</I>>>>><i> gparted? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Gparted looks pretty. As far as I can see, gparted agrees +</I>>>><i> with what I think things should look like. Gparted and +</I>>>><i> fdisk agree about the number of sectors. (More than you +</I>>>><i> get by multiplying CxHxS.) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Interesting. I guess it would be best to use 'hdparm -i /dev/sda|grep +</I>>><i> LBAsects" to find out the number of sectors. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Regards, Dave Hodgins +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> ~]# hdparm -i /dev/sda | grep LBA +</I>><i> CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=1953523055 +</I>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> ~]# +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Same number of sectors as gparted and fdisk report. Number of heads +</I>><i> and sectors per cylinder are just, "it's a big disk". _Posssibly_ +</I>><i> number of cylinders gives a clue about how big. H can be 63 or 255, +</I>><i> depending on mood, and CxHxS should be a little less than max LBA. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The situation just got worse. The latest work arround is to lie +</I>><i> about how big a sector is. That is called "advanced" formatting. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Coming into this a little late, but I read somewhere that cfdisk was to +avoid, because of unsolved bugs which could result in disk corruption. +That was a while back, but apparently it still applies. + +BTW, with all those partitions, I would convert your disk to GPT tables +instead of MBR, using gdisk. +(gdisk is in core.) +It will make your disk more stable. +It uses a 128 partition table,with a backup table at the end of the drive. +No such thing as "extended" partitions. +It takes less space than the ms-compatible MBR partition tables. +The only trick is that you need to leave space for the backup table (34 +512-byte sectors). +If you change your mind, you can convert back painlessly. +I've used GPT for over 2 years, including converting back and forth a +few times at first. + +To convert, you'll have to boot to a live disk, preferably with gdisk. +I use systemRescueCD for that. <A HREF="http://www.sysresccd.org/">http://www.sysresccd.org/</A> +The latest stable version is 379 Mib, usable from CD or USB key. +I don't know if a Mageia live cd, or Mageia DVD in rescue mode might work. + +Just in case you might be interested + +Regards :) + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008159.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008161.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8160">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8160">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8160">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8160">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008161.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008161.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8b4b8d386 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008161.html @@ -0,0 +1,148 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C32jnc9-k0u.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008160.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008164.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug</H1> + <B>blind Pete</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C32jnc9-k0u.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug">0123peter at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 8 07:39:46 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008160.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008164.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8161">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8161">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8161">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8161">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>andre999 wrote: + +><i> blind Pete a écrit : +</I>>><i> David W. Hodgins wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 04:03:34 -0400, blind Pete +</I>>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Morgan Leijström wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> It would also be interesting to know what other tools say. +</I>>>>>><i> gparted? +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Gparted looks pretty. As far as I can see, gparted agrees +</I>>>>><i> with what I think things should look like. Gparted and +</I>>>>><i> fdisk agree about the number of sectors. (More than you +</I>>>>><i> get by multiplying CxHxS.) +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Interesting. I guess it would be best to use 'hdparm -i /dev/sda|grep +</I>>>><i> LBAsects" to find out the number of sectors. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Regards, Dave Hodgins +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> ~]# hdparm -i /dev/sda | grep LBA +</I>>><i> CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=1953523055 +</I>>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> ~]# +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Same number of sectors as gparted and fdisk report. Number of heads +</I>>><i> and sectors per cylinder are just, "it's a big disk". _Posssibly_ +</I>>><i> number of cylinders gives a clue about how big. H can be 63 or 255, +</I>>><i> depending on mood, and CxHxS should be a little less than max LBA. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The situation just got worse. The latest work arround is to lie +</I>>><i> about how big a sector is. That is called "advanced" formatting. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Coming into this a little late, but I read somewhere that cfdisk was to +</I>><i> avoid, because of unsolved bugs which could result in disk corruption. +</I>><i> That was a while back, but apparently it still applies. +</I> +That would be disturbing. BTW I'm using old software, Mageia 1. + +But to be fair, in this case cfdisk's only crime seems to be that it +is refusing to look at a valid partition. The main suspect is +still the Mageia 2 installer. + +><i> BTW, with all those partitions, I would convert your disk to GPT tables +</I>><i> instead of MBR, using gdisk. +</I>><i> (gdisk is in core.) +</I> +OK I have installed gdisk and will look at it. How would you rate +it for maturity? And what else can recognize a gpt disk? +Grub? +Grub2? +Lilo? +The Mageia installer? +Other installers? +Other operating systems? + +><i> It will make your disk more stable. +</I>><i> It uses a 128 partition table,with a backup table at the end of the drive. +</I>><i> No such thing as "extended" partitions. +</I>><i> It takes less space than the ms-compatible MBR partition tables. +</I>><i> The only trick is that you need to leave space for the backup table (34 +</I>><i> 512-byte sectors). +</I>><i> If you change your mind, you can convert back painlessly. +</I>><i> I've used GPT for over 2 years, including converting back and forth a +</I>><i> few times at first. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To convert, you'll have to boot to a live disk, preferably with gdisk. +</I>><i> I use systemRescueCD for that. <A HREF="http://www.sysresccd.org/">http://www.sysresccd.org/</A> +</I>><i> The latest stable version is 379 Mib, usable from CD or USB key. +</I>><i> I don't know if a Mageia live cd, or Mageia DVD in rescue mode might work. +</I> +In Mageia 1 the installer pulled it from the net rather than from +the local iso, so it was not prepackaged. + +><i> Just in case you might be interested +</I> +I'm interested. + +><i> Regards :) +</I>><i> +</I> +-- +blind Pete +Sig goes here... + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008160.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008164.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8161">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8161">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8161">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8161">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008162.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008162.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f09f6881e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008162.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20The%20laptop%20hangs%20on%20boot%20in%20three%20points&In-Reply-To=%3CCALVo_Bjt0P2xn1YGh7u0qfyGCyeUkmVeKYAZrd__vQLzDd83aA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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After several searches on the web, I finalize that +</I>><i> the problem come from graphics drivers but I couldn't solve it. I'd to +</I>><i> reinstall my Mageia. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sébastien +</I>><i> +</I> + +Thanks for the reply, i filed a bug report here: +<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6719">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6719</A> + +-- +Dimitrios Glentadakis +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120708/d3c13279/attachment.html> +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008116.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008117.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8162">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8162">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8162">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8162">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008163.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008163.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bf308fa23 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008163.html @@ -0,0 +1,136 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MGA2%3A%20Gnome%20session%20%26%20system%20freeze%20issues&In-Reply-To=%3C1341737054.1489.8.camel%40Nokia-N900%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008149.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008150.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues</H1> + <B>Alejandro Lopez</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MGA2%3A%20Gnome%20session%20%26%20system%20freeze%20issues&In-Reply-To=%3C1341737054.1489.8.camel%40Nokia-N900%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues">listas.apl at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 8 10:44:14 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008149.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8163">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8163">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8163">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8163">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On vie,  6 de jul de 2012, 13:36:44 CEST, Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: + +><i> 2012/7/6 Alejandro López <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Wolfgang Bornath +</I>><i> > <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > MGA2 x86_64, Gnome +</I>><i> > > Nvidia graphics, latest proprietary driver from the MGA non-free repo +</I>><i> > > All updates. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > 1. Gnome starts new session out of the blue +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Today I was editing a document in gedit. Other open applications were +</I>><i> > > chromium-browser and gkrellm. Suddenly out of the blue in the middle +</I>><i> > > of writing a word the screen changed to a new session, screen with +</I>><i> > > GDM showing). Logging in again no application was saved, work lost +</I>><i> > > as well as 2 tabs in the browser where I did not save the URLs yet. +</I>><i> > > syslog shows a Gnome session I/O failure before the session switch: +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > - Jul  6 07:28:49 marvin-1 gnome-session[2301]: Gdk-WARNING: +</I>><i> > > gnome-session: Fatal IO error 11 (ressource temporarily not +</I>><i> > > available) on X server :0. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > After session restart a long list of "DEBUG" messages followed. No +</I>><i> > > errors reported in that list. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > For this part of your problem, I guess you are hitting this bug: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585</A> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thx for replying but I do not see any resemblence/relation to the +</I>><i> described error in bug #2585 +</I> +Yeah. You are right. I must have misread your email. + +Alejandro + +><i> +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > 2. Occasional system deep freeze +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Starting some time ago and occurring last time yesterday I get a deep +</I>><i> > > freeze (only SysRq keys for forced reboot working). Inquiring I found +</I>><i> > > this message in syslog: +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > - Jul  5 13:27:42 marvin-1 kernel: [10565.322087] NVRM: GPU at +</I>><i> > > 0000:01:00.0 has fallen off the bus. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > man-draker in the German forum pointed me to +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > <A HREF="http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-rhel-fedora-linux-nvidia-nvrm-gpu-fallen-off-bus/">http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-rhel-fedora-linux-nvidia-nvrm-gpu-fallen-off-bus/</A> +</I>><i> > > which talks about persistence mode of nvidia-smi. The persistence +</I>><i> > > mode is disabled by default. Switched it to "enabled" but I am not +</I>><i> > > sure if this is the true culprit - the same error should have come +</I>><i> > > up more often and on other people's machines as well if this setting +</I>><i> > > was the culprit, right? +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Another idea was offered by doktor5000: +</I>><i> > > "It could be some malfunction of systemd and you could ask Colin +</I>><i> > > about it". :) +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Additional information: the freeze is not caused by faulty memory, I +</I>><i> > > let memtest run over nicht for 8 hours, no errors. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> wobo +</I> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008149.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8163">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8163">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8163">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8163">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008164.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008164.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..53ef26f05 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008164.html @@ -0,0 +1,212 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF94CBA.4060000%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008161.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008187.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C4FF94CBA.4060000%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug">andre999mga at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 8 11:02:50 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008161.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008187.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8164">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8164">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8164">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8164">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>blind Pete a écrit : +><i> andre999 wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> blind Pete a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> David W. Hodgins wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 04:03:34 -0400, blind Pete +</I>>>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Morgan Leijström wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> It would also be interesting to know what other tools say. +</I>>>>>>><i> gparted? +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Gparted looks pretty. As far as I can see, gparted agrees +</I>>>>>><i> with what I think things should look like. Gparted and +</I>>>>>><i> fdisk agree about the number of sectors. (More than you +</I>>>>>><i> get by multiplying CxHxS.) +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Interesting. I guess it would be best to use 'hdparm -i /dev/sda|grep +</I>>>>><i> LBAsects" to find out the number of sectors. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Regards, Dave Hodgins +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> ~]# hdparm -i /dev/sda | grep LBA +</I>>>><i> CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=1953523055 +</I>>>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> ~]# +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Same number of sectors as gparted and fdisk report. Number of heads +</I>>>><i> and sectors per cylinder are just, "it's a big disk". _Posssibly_ +</I>>>><i> number of cylinders gives a clue about how big. H can be 63 or 255, +</I>>>><i> depending on mood, and CxHxS should be a little less than max LBA. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> The situation just got worse. The latest work arround is to lie +</I>>>><i> about how big a sector is. That is called "advanced" formatting. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I> +>><i> BTW, with all those partitions, I would convert your disk to GPT tables +</I>>><i> instead of MBR, using gdisk. +</I>>><i> (gdisk is in core.) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> OK I have installed gdisk and will look at it. How would you rate +</I>><i> it for maturity? And what else can recognize a gpt disk? +</I> +I would say very mature, even when I started using it (under mdv 2010.0 +or 2010.1) +The developer says the "hybid" option which simulates MBR for Msw is +risky, but even that I found very stable and predictable +><i> +</I>><i> Grub? +</I>><i> +</I>Yes, since 1.97 patched for GPT, as used in mdv and fedora (at least) +when I started using GPT. +Mageia has always used this version. +><i> Grub2? +</I>><i> +</I>Definitely + +><i> Lilo? +</I>><i> +</I>Not sure. I think newer versions do. + +><i> The Mageia installer? +</I>><i> +</I>I didn't have a problem. I did an upgrade install from mdv2010.2 to +mga1, and could read the other partitions to set up fstab. +Sometime before mga1 was available, I had a problem which corrupted my +system, and made it unbootable. It took me a while to get around that, +as I didn't want to loose my uncorrupted partitions. I ended up fixing +it with SystemRescueCD (it contains a partition recovery tool called +testdisk.) I was able to reinstall mdv. I may have formatted / with +SystemRescueCD. At that point I had a "hybrid" format simulating MBR +for systems not aware of GPT. + +><i> Other installers? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Other operating systems? +</I>><i> +</I>According to what I have read, most other major distros handle GPT +nicely. The Linux kernel does. +Msw 32-bit does not, but can work with gdisks' "hybrid" format, which +puts an MBR table at the end of the first sector (a space not used by +GPT). It is a little tricky to set up, but initially I had it working. +Recently I haven't been bothered to get it working again. +Msw 64-bit is GPT-aware, but I have read that it works only on EFT +hardware, which has a special BIOS. (Incompatible with Msw 32-bit.) It +may be just that it is the default installation. +MacOS handles GPT, but I'm not sure of the restrictions if any. Is was +an early adopter. +*BSD systems should handle GPT just like Linux. +>><i> It will make your disk more stable. +</I>>><i> It uses a 128 partition table,with a backup table at the end of the drive. +</I>>><i> No such thing as "extended" partitions. +</I>>><i> It takes less space than the ms-compatible MBR partition tables. +</I>>><i> The only trick is that you need to leave space for the backup table (34 +</I>>><i> 512-byte sectors). +</I>>><i> If you change your mind, you can convert back painlessly. +</I>>><i> I've used GPT for over 2 years, including converting back and forth a +</I>>><i> few times at first. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> To convert, you'll have to boot to a live disk, preferably with gdisk. +</I>>><i> I use systemRescueCD for that. <A HREF="http://www.sysresccd.org/">http://www.sysresccd.org/</A> +</I>>><i> The latest stable version is 379 Mib, usable from CD or USB key. +</I>>><i> I don't know if a Mageia live cd, or Mageia DVD in rescue mode might work. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> In Mageia 1 the installer pulled it from the net rather than from +</I>><i> the local iso, so it was not prepackaged. +</I> +I installed mga1 from DVD. This upgrade went very smoothly. + +I did have a problem changing partition parameters with diskdrake under +mga1, not long after installing it, shortly after mga1 was released. +Luckily I was testing things, so I didn't loose anything important. But +everything was lost on the partition in question. I then tried +reformatting the partition with diskdrake, and it wouldn't work. I had +to use SystemRescueCD (with gparted). +I strongly suspect it was due to my having a "hybrid" format. I think +that at least at that point, diskdrake (or whatever it uses) would see +the MBR table, and classify the disk as MBR. While still getting the +partition location parameters from the GPT table. (The simulated MBR +table puts most partitions in a large "foreign" partition. The +corrupted partition was not in the MBR table. And no other partition +was affected.) + +Note that I have never had a problem simply accessing (read or write) a +GPT partition on mdv or mga. + +Also, initially I used gdisk to format usb drives (but no hybrid MBR +table), and have never had a problem on those disks with diskdrake or +any other mdv or mga tools. + +BTW, I installed gdisk from upstream on mdv, and first imported gdisk to +Mageia. +>><i> Just in case you might be interested +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I'm interested. +</I> +You will probably find this interesting :) +<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table</A> + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008161.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008187.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8164">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8164">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8164">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8164">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008165.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008165.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..687d64da6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008165.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3C20120709003655.6a5d4b9f%40dougshost.douglaidlaw.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008188.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008166.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7</H1> + <B>Doug Laidlaw</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3C20120709003655.6a5d4b9f%40dougshost.douglaidlaw.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 8 16:36:55 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8165">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8165">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8165">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8165">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Everybody probably knows this except me :( + +Browsing my new Windows 7 installation, I noticed a lot of symbolic +links, identified by Linux as such. AFAIK, this is new in Win7; it +wasn't there in WinXP, which I have been using. + +I have just used this advantage to get around the following problem: + +Directories with spaces can be excluded in rsnapshot, by replacing the +space with a ?, but a bug in rsync prevents directories with spaces from +being backed up at all. In the parent Windows directory, I created a +symlink without spaces for the inaccessible sub-directory. I was able +to create it and add it to /etc/rsnapshot.conf, and the backup proceeded +to completion. Changing the name of the subdirectory would probably have +made it unusable by its Windows app. If Windows hadn't allowed it, I +would have put the link somewhere in Linux. + +Doug. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8165">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8165">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8165">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8165">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008166.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008166.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fd942e212 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008166.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3CCAHC-z7%2BHKdr3cN2c%3D-PCbx0R_7i%2BX-OmG1nB9k9Dn3_%3D%3Dp%3D%3Djg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008165.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008167.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7</H1> + <B>Jeff Robins</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3CCAHC-z7%2BHKdr3cN2c%3D-PCbx0R_7i%2BX-OmG1nB9k9Dn3_%3D%3Dp%3D%3Djg%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7">jeffrobinssae at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 9 00:08:06 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8166">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8166">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8166">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8166">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>NTFS has had symbolic links for a long time. I think since at least win2k, +but no one used them, even MS. I don't think you could even make them with +the normal tools. + +--Jeff +On Jul 8, 2012 7:37 AM, "Doug Laidlaw" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>> wrote: + +><i> Everybody probably knows this except me :( +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Browsing my new Windows 7 installation, I noticed a lot of symbolic +</I>><i> links, identified by Linux as such. AFAIK, this is new in Win7; it +</I>><i> wasn't there in WinXP, which I have been using. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have just used this advantage to get around the following problem: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Directories with spaces can be excluded in rsnapshot, by replacing the +</I>><i> space with a ?, but a bug in rsync prevents directories with spaces from +</I>><i> being backed up at all. In the parent Windows directory, I created a +</I>><i> symlink without spaces for the inaccessible sub-directory. I was able +</I>><i> to create it and add it to /etc/rsnapshot.conf, and the backup proceeded +</I>><i> to completion. Changing the name of the subdirectory would probably have +</I>><i> made it unusable by its Windows app. If Windows hadn't allowed it, I +</I>><i> would have put the link somewhere in Linux. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Doug. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120708/5d791e4f/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8166">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8166">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8166">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8166">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008167.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008167.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d71676d62 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008167.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3C20120709122511.2cb9dfb5%40dougshost.douglaidlaw.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008166.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008168.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7</H1> + <B>Doug Laidlaw</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3C20120709122511.2cb9dfb5%40dougshost.douglaidlaw.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 9 04:25:11 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008168.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8167">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8167">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8167">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8167">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I made this one from Linux. I can't even see them in Windows. They +seem to count as hidden files. + +Doug. + +On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 15:08:06 -0700 +Jeff Robins <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jeffrobinssae at gmail.com</A>> wrote: + +><i> NTFS has had symbolic links for a long time. I think since at least +</I>><i> win2k, but no one used them, even MS. I don't think you could even +</I>><i> make them with the normal tools. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> --Jeff +</I>><i> On Jul 8, 2012 7:37 AM, "Doug Laidlaw" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Everybody probably knows this except me :( +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Browsing my new Windows 7 installation, I noticed a lot of symbolic +</I>><i> > links, identified by Linux as such. AFAIK, this is new in Win7; it +</I>><i> > wasn't there in WinXP, which I have been using. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I have just used this advantage to get around the following problem: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Directories with spaces can be excluded in rsnapshot, by replacing +</I>><i> > the space with a ?, but a bug in rsync prevents directories with +</I>><i> > spaces from being backed up at all. In the parent Windows +</I>><i> > directory, I created a symlink without spaces for the inaccessible +</I>><i> > sub-directory. I was able to create it and add it +</I>><i> > to /etc/rsnapshot.conf, and the backup proceeded to completion. +</I>><i> > Changing the name of the subdirectory would probably have made it +</I>><i> > unusable by its Windows app. If Windows hadn't allowed it, I would +</I>><i> > have put the link somewhere in Linux. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Doug. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> !DSPAM:4ffa401573874302236428! +</I> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008168.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8167">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8167">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8167">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8167">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008168.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008168.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4c1e6d974 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008168.html @@ -0,0 +1,121 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFA5148.2060006%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008167.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008169.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFA5148.2060006%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7">andre999mga at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 9 05:34:32 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8168">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8168">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8168">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8168">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Doug Laidlaw a écrit : +><i> I made this one from Linux. I can't even see them in Windows. They +</I>><i> seem to count as hidden files. +</I>><i> +</I> +msw has had symbolic links not recognisable as such by Linux for a long +time, by default hidden under msw. +What you observe seems to indicate that msw7 has migrated to unix-style +symbolic links. +Interesting. Gradually Microsoft is adopting more and more unix (and +Linux-compatible) features. + +(BTW, it would be easier for others to respond point by point if you and +others didn't top post.) + +><i> Doug. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 15:08:06 -0700 +</I>><i> Jeff Robins<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jeffrobinssae at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> NTFS has had symbolic links for a long time. I think since at least +</I>>><i> win2k, but no one used them, even MS. I don't think you could even +</I>>><i> make them with the normal tools. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> --Jeff +</I>>><i> On Jul 8, 2012 7:37 AM, "Doug Laidlaw"<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Everybody probably knows this except me :( +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Browsing my new Windows 7 installation, I noticed a lot of symbolic +</I>>>><i> links, identified by Linux as such. AFAIK, this is new in Win7; it +</I>>>><i> wasn't there in WinXP, which I have been using. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I have just used this advantage to get around the following problem: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Directories with spaces can be excluded in rsnapshot, by replacing +</I>>>><i> the space with a ?, but a bug in rsync prevents directories with +</I>>>><i> spaces from being backed up at all. In the parent Windows +</I>>>><i> directory, I created a symlink without spaces for the inaccessible +</I>>>><i> sub-directory. I was able to create it and add it +</I>>>><i> to /etc/rsnapshot.conf, and the backup proceeded to completion. +</I>>>><i> Changing the name of the subdirectory would probably have made it +</I>>>><i> unusable by its Windows app. If Windows hadn't allowed it, I would +</I>>>><i> have put the link somewhere in Linux. +</I>>>><i> +</I> +You can also rename directories in msw, to remove spaces, or just make +shorter. +>>><i> Doug. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>-- +André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8168">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8168">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8168">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8168">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008169.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008169.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a3172743d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008169.html @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3C20120709133903.2cc0bf26%40dougshost.douglaidlaw.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008168.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008170.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7</H1> + <B>Doug Laidlaw</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3C20120709133903.2cc0bf26%40dougshost.douglaidlaw.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 9 05:39:03 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008168.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008170.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8169">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8169">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8169">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8169">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:34:32 -0400 +andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>> wrote: + +><i> Doug Laidlaw a écrit : +</I>><i> > I made this one from Linux. I can't even see them in Windows. They +</I>><i> > seem to count as hidden files. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> msw has had symbolic links not recognisable as such by Linux for a +</I>><i> long time, by default hidden under msw. +</I>><i> What you observe seems to indicate that msw7 has migrated to +</I>><i> unix-style symbolic links. +</I>><i> Interesting. Gradually Microsoft is adopting more and more unix (and +</I>><i> Linux-compatible) features. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (BTW, it would be easier for others to respond point by point if you +</I>><i> and others didn't top post.) +</I> +Normally I don't. But the first reply was top-posted, so I kept going +in the same direction. + +Doug. +><i> +</I>><i> > Doug. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 15:08:06 -0700 +</I>><i> > Jeff Robins<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jeffrobinssae at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> NTFS has had symbolic links for a long time. I think since at least +</I>><i> >> win2k, but no one used them, even MS. I don't think you could even +</I>><i> >> make them with the normal tools. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> --Jeff +</I>><i> >> On Jul 8, 2012 7:37 AM, "Doug Laidlaw"<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>> +</I>><i> >> wrote: +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >>> Everybody probably knows this except me :( +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> Browsing my new Windows 7 installation, I noticed a lot of +</I>><i> >>> symbolic links, identified by Linux as such. AFAIK, this is new +</I>><i> >>> in Win7; it wasn't there in WinXP, which I have been using. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> I have just used this advantage to get around the following +</I>><i> >>> problem: +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> Directories with spaces can be excluded in rsnapshot, by replacing +</I>><i> >>> the space with a ?, but a bug in rsync prevents directories with +</I>><i> >>> spaces from being backed up at all. In the parent Windows +</I>><i> >>> directory, I created a symlink without spaces for the inaccessible +</I>><i> >>> sub-directory. I was able to create it and add it +</I>><i> >>> to /etc/rsnapshot.conf, and the backup proceeded to completion. +</I>><i> >>> Changing the name of the subdirectory would probably have made it +</I>><i> >>> unusable by its Windows app. If Windows hadn't allowed it, I +</I>><i> >>> would have put the link somewhere in Linux. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You can also rename directories in msw, to remove spaces, or just +</I>><i> make shorter. +</I>><i> >>> Doug. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> +</I> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008168.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008170.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8169">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8169">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8169">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8169">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008170.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008170.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..62874d493 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008170.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3CCAHC-z7J-ATRO9DYnrSBwqtqQYTmm8kJfnx5MOQhyFCJytbH5gw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008169.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008171.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7</H1> + <B>Jeff Robins</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3CCAHC-z7J-ATRO9DYnrSBwqtqQYTmm8kJfnx5MOQhyFCJytbH5gw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7">jeffrobinssae at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 9 10:16:40 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8170">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8170">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8170">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8170">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Sorry, + +The gmail Android app automatically top posts. I can't seem to change the +behavior. I had to tell it not to include the original text just to post +this. + +--Jeff +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120709/9c591c84/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8170">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8170">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8170">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8170">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008171.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008171.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d5a9a108b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008171.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj7TbsLJ3%3Dz0fje%2Bw_QpYpVtZD%3D7js0iFKv784OgX7zGYQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008170.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008172.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj7TbsLJ3%3Dz0fje%2Bw_QpYpVtZD%3D7js0iFKv784OgX7zGYQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 9 10:29:13 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008170.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008172.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8171">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8171">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8171">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8171">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/7/9 Jeff Robins <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jeffrobinssae at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> Sorry, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The gmail Android app automatically top posts. I can't seem to change the +</I>><i> behavior. I had to tell it not to include the original text just to post +</I>><i> this. +</I> +Just a remark from somebody who spent weeks in hospital, only using +the gmail app to stay in touch: you seem to have a different gmail app +and may be not a user-friendly one. In my app (the Anfroid one with +the gmail logo) the cursor is at the top when you start the editor to +reply but you can easily move it to the end or even remove parts you +do not reply to or insert your comments in the middle of the quoted +mail where you want to comment. + +But of course, when you are in a hurry.... + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008170.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008172.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8171">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8171">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8171">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8171">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008172.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008172.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..de34b9344 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008172.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3C201207091345.15643.cooker%40solbu.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008171.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008173.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7</H1> + <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Symbolic%20links%20in%20Windows%207&In-Reply-To=%3C201207091345.15643.cooker%40solbu.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7">cooker at solbu.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 9 13:45:09 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8172">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8172">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8172">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8172">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Monday 09 July 2012 00:08, Jeff Robins wrote: +><i> NTFS has had symbolic links for a long time. I think since at least win2k, +</I> +Symlinks came in Windows Vista, according to Wikipedia. In Windows 2000 they had something called Junction Points, which is what we would call hardlinks, I believe. + +<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_symbolic_link">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_symbolic_link</A> +<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_junction_point">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_junction_point</A> + +-- +Johnny A. 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If you have an HP printer and Mageia 2 then you can help :) + +To enable you to update packages from Core Updates Testing you need as +root to use: edit-urpm-sources.pl --expert + +Place a tick in the Updates column next to Core Updates Testing. + +You can enable it as per normal update media and should be able to +update from Core Updates Testing. Please _don't_ install everything you +find there, just the packages relevant to hplip which you can find +listed on the update request here: + +<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5619#c12">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5619#c12</A> + +Once you have updated just those few please, remember to disable Core +Updates Testing again. + +Please check you can still print and scan OK, the HP printing menus are +OK and that there are no regressions. If you are able check duplexing +(printing on both sides of the paper) that would be useful too. + +Please feedback your findings onto the bug above and include the +architecture you tested with (i586 or x86_64) + +Many thanks from the QA team (who don't have any HP printers!) + +Claire +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008172.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8173">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8173">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8173">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8173">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008174.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008174.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7216da751 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008174.html @@ -0,0 +1,114 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Request%20for%20testing%3A%20hplip&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFC73BD.9060600%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008173.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008175.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip</H1> + <B>Claire Robinson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Request%20for%20testing%3A%20hplip&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFC73BD.9060600%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip">eeeemail at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Jul 10 20:26:05 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8174">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8174">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8174">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8174">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 10/07/12 17:56, Claire Robinson wrote: +><i> Hi all +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We currently have hplip packages in Core Updates Testing which need to +</I>><i> be tested. If you have an HP printer and Mageia 2 then you can help :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To enable you to update packages from Core Updates Testing you need as +</I>><i> root to use: edit-urpm-sources.pl --expert +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Place a tick in the Updates column next to Core Updates Testing. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You can enable it as per normal update media and should be able to +</I>><i> update from Core Updates Testing. Please _don't_ install everything you +</I>><i> find there, just the packages relevant to hplip which you can find +</I>><i> listed on the update request here: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5619#c12">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5619#c12</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Once you have updated just those few please, remember to disable Core +</I>><i> Updates Testing again. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please check you can still print and scan OK, the HP printing menus are +</I>><i> OK and that there are no regressions. If you are able check duplexing +</I>><i> (printing on both sides of the paper) that would be useful too. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please feedback your findings onto the bug above and include the +</I>><i> architecture you tested with (i586 or x86_64) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Many thanks from the QA team (who don't have any HP printers!) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Claire +</I> +Thankyou for the great response :) + +We especially need anybody who is able to test this i586 now on Mageia +2, then it can be validated and will be pushed as an official update if +there are no problems. + +Be proud of yourself, you will be helping to make Mageia! + +If anybody is interested in joining the QA team then please find our +wiki pages and team info here: <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team</A> + +We are still very short of people in the team and it is a good way to +learn more about Mageia and Linux in general. You get to see parts you +never knew existed and learn a little about alot! + +Thanks +Claire +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8174">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8174">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8174">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8174">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008175.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008175.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9fa616a68 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008175.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Request%20for%20testing%3A%20hplip&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFC9783.3000709%40jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008174.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008176.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip</H1> + <B>James Kerr</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Request%20for%20testing%3A%20hplip&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFC9783.3000709%40jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Jul 10 22:58:43 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8175">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8175">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8175">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8175">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 10/07/2012 19:26, Claire Robinson wrote: +><i> On 10/07/12 17:56, Claire Robinson wrote: +</I>>><i> Hi all +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> We currently have hplip packages in Core Updates Testing which need to +</I>>><i> be tested. If you have an HP printer and Mageia 2 then you can help :) +</I>>><i> +</I> + +><i> +</I>><i> We especially need anybody who is able to test this i586 now on Mageia +</I>><i> 2, then it can be validated and will be pushed as an official update if +</I>><i> there are no problems. +</I>><i> +</I> +My Mageia 2 box is i586. I have an older HP printer, a Deskjet D1560, +which I don't think was affected by the bug. If testing with that +printer would be useful, I can do so tomorrow. I have to move some +equipment around in order to attach that printer to the Mageia 2 box, +and it's a bit late in the evening to do that today. + +Jim + + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8175">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8175">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8175">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8175">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008176.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008176.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..aa7166beb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008176.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Request%20for%20testing%3A%20hplip&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFC9E70.3040409%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008175.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008177.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Request%20for%20testing%3A%20hplip&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFC9E70.3040409%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Jul 10 23:28:16 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8176">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8176">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8176">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8176">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 10/07/2012 20:26, Claire Robinson wrote: +><i> On 10/07/12 17:56, Claire Robinson wrote: +</I>>><i> Hi all +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> We currently have hplip packages in Core Updates Testing which need to +</I>>><i> be tested. If you have an HP printer and Mageia 2 then you can help :) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> To enable you to update packages from Core Updates Testing you need as +</I>>><i> root to use: edit-urpm-sources.pl --expert +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Place a tick in the Updates column next to Core Updates Testing. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> You can enable it as per normal update media and should be able to +</I>>><i> update from Core Updates Testing. Please _don't_ install everything you +</I>>><i> find there, just the packages relevant to hplip which you can find +</I>>><i> listed on the update request here: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5619#c12">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5619#c12</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Once you have updated just those few please, remember to disable Core +</I>>><i> Updates Testing again. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Please check you can still print and scan OK, the HP printing menus are +</I>>><i> OK and that there are no regressions. If you are able check duplexing +</I>>><i> (printing on both sides of the paper) that would be useful too. +</I> +This bug was about scanning, the duplex bit of the bug was, too: + +<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5619#c4">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5619#c4</A> + > the functionality it provides (double-sided scanning with the hp8600 + > plus) does _not_ work, as xsane does not seem to have been updated. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8176">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8176">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8176">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8176">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008177.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008177.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d68a1ca37 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008177.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Request%20for%20testing%3A%20hplip&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFCA0D9.3%40cox.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008176.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008178.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip</H1> + <B>Gary Montalbine</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Request%20for%20testing%3A%20hplip&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFCA0D9.3%40cox.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip">gmontalbine at cox.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Jul 10 23:38:33 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8177">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8177">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8177">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8177">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +On 07/10/2012 12:56 PM, Claire Robinson wrote: +><i> Hi all +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We currently have hplip packages in Core Updates Testing which need to +</I>><i> be tested. If you have an HP printer and Mageia 2 then you can help :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To enable you to update packages from Core Updates Testing you need as +</I>><i> root to use: edit-urpm-sources.pl --expert +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Place a tick in the Updates column next to Core Updates Testing. +</I> +I can not place a check in the update column. I can check the enable. I +have tried root above and also software manager. I have hplip 3.12.2 +3.mga2 installed. No updates are shown when searching hplip in software +manager. I am using i586. + +Gary + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8177">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8177">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8177">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8177">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008178.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008178.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3f70ce998 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008178.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Request%20for%20testing%3A%20hplip&In-Reply-To=%3Cjtimlq%24emj%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008177.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008180.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip</H1> + <B>TJ</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Request%20for%20testing%3A%20hplip&In-Reply-To=%3Cjtimlq%24emj%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip">andrewsfarm at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 11 03:59:21 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8178">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8178">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8178">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8178">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/10/2012 12:56 PM, Claire Robinson wrote: +><i> Hi all +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We currently have hplip packages in Core Updates Testing which need to +</I>><i> be tested. If you have an HP printer and Mageia 2 then you can help :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To enable you to update packages from Core Updates Testing you need as +</I>><i> root to use: edit-urpm-sources.pl --expert +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Place a tick in the Updates column next to Core Updates Testing. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You can enable it as per normal update media and should be able to +</I>><i> update from Core Updates Testing. Please _don't_ install everything you +</I>><i> find there, just the packages relevant to hplip which you can find +</I>><i> listed on the update request here: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5619#c12">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5619#c12</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Once you have updated just those few please, remember to disable Core +</I>><i> Updates Testing again. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please check you can still print and scan OK, the HP printing menus are +</I>><i> OK and that there are no regressions. If you are able check duplexing +</I>><i> (printing on both sides of the paper) that would be useful too. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please feedback your findings onto the bug above and include the +</I>><i> architecture you tested with (i586 or x86_64) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Many thanks from the QA team (who don't have any HP printers!) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Claire +</I>><i> +</I>Working good on an i586 system with a Deskjet 5650 with duplexer, and an +Officejet 6110. + +TJ + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8178">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8178">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8178">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8178">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008179.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008179.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..99ab3aced --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008179.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Arduino%20package%20bug%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFCE5DC.9010008%40bigpond.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008186.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008181.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug?</H1> + <B>Phil</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Arduino%20package%20bug%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFCE5DC.9010008%40bigpond.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug?">phil_lor at bigpond.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 11 04:33:00 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008186.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8179">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8179">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8179">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8179">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I have just installed the Arduino package and I'm greeted with the +following error: + +[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">phil at localhost</A> ~]$ arduino +java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no rxtxSerial in java.library.path +thrown while loading gnu.io.RXTXCommDriver +Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no rxtxSerial +in java.library.path + at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary(ClassLoader.java:1860) + at java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary0(Runtime.java:845) + at java.lang.System.loadLibrary(System.java:1084) + at gnu.io.CommPortIdentifier.<clinit>(CommPortIdentifier.java:83) + at processing.app.Editor.populateSerialMenu(Editor.java:996) + at processing.app.Editor.buildToolsMenu(Editor.java:698) + at processing.app.Editor.buildMenuBar(Editor.java:483) + at processing.app.Editor.<init>(Editor.java:205) + at processing.app.Base.handleOpen(Base.java:700) + at processing.app.Base.handleOpen(Base.java:665) + at processing.app.Base.handleNew(Base.java:561) + at processing.app.Base.<init>(Base.java:301) + at processing.app.Base.main(Base.java:190) + +An older self-installed version of arduino still works so the problem +seems to be a path error somewhere related to the latest version. Has +anyone found a cure? + +-- +Regards, +Phil +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008186.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8179">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8179">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8179">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8179">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008180.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008180.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3f5b35781 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008180.html @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Request%20for%20testing%3A%20hplip&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFD2EDA.2030803%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008178.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008186.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip</H1> + <B>Claire Robinson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Request%20for%20testing%3A%20hplip&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFD2EDA.2030803%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip">eeeemail at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 11 09:44:26 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008186.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8180">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8180">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8180">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8180">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 11/07/12 02:59, TJ wrote: +><i> On 07/10/2012 12:56 PM, Claire Robinson wrote: +</I>>><i> Hi all +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> We currently have hplip packages in Core Updates Testing which need to +</I>>><i> be tested. If you have an HP printer and Mageia 2 then you can help :) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> To enable you to update packages from Core Updates Testing you need as +</I>>><i> root to use: edit-urpm-sources.pl --expert +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Place a tick in the Updates column next to Core Updates Testing. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> You can enable it as per normal update media and should be able to +</I>>><i> update from Core Updates Testing. Please _don't_ install everything you +</I>>><i> find there, just the packages relevant to hplip which you can find +</I>>><i> listed on the update request here: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5619#c12">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5619#c12</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Once you have updated just those few please, remember to disable Core +</I>>><i> Updates Testing again. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Please check you can still print and scan OK, the HP printing menus are +</I>>><i> OK and that there are no regressions. If you are able check duplexing +</I>>><i> (printing on both sides of the paper) that would be useful too. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Please feedback your findings onto the bug above and include the +</I>>><i> architecture you tested with (i586 or x86_64) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Many thanks from the QA team (who don't have any HP printers!) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Claire +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Working good on an i586 system with a Deskjet 5650 with duplexer, and an +</I>><i> Officejet 6110. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> TJ +</I> + +Gary thanks for trying, I think you probably left off the --expert +switch when trying to tick the Updates column. Without that it won't +allow you alter that column. + +Thankyou all for getting involved. As a result, we have been able to +properly test and validate this so give yourselves a pat on the back :) +You should see it become available very soon as an official update for +all Mageia users! + +Thanks +Claire + +<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team</A> + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008186.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8180">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8180">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8180">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8180">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008181.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008181.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d717af9d7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008181.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Arduino%20package%20bug%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201207111033.43194.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008179.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008182.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug?</H1> + <B>Morgan Leijström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Arduino%20package%20bug%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201207111033.43194.fri%40tribun.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug?">fri at tribun.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 11 10:33:41 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8181">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8181">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8181">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8181">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Thank you for reporting + +I suggest to search bugzilla for arduino + +Ther you will find other users reporting similar problem (IIRC) + +Communicate with them and/or file a new bug report please + +:<i>) +</I> +/Morgan + +onsdagen den 11 juli 2012 04.33.00 skrev Phil: +><i> I have just installed the Arduino package and I'm greeted with the +</I>><i> following error: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">phil at localhost</A> ~]$ arduino +</I>><i> java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no rxtxSerial in java.library.path +</I>><i> thrown while loading gnu.io.RXTXCommDriver +</I>><i> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no rxtxSerial +</I>><i> in java.library.path +</I>><i> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary(ClassLoader.java:1860) +</I>><i> at java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary0(Runtime.java:845) +</I>><i> at java.lang.System.loadLibrary(System.java:1084) +</I>><i> at gnu.io.CommPortIdentifier.<clinit>(CommPortIdentifier.java:83) +</I>><i> at processing.app.Editor.populateSerialMenu(Editor.java:996) +</I>><i> at processing.app.Editor.buildToolsMenu(Editor.java:698) +</I>><i> at processing.app.Editor.buildMenuBar(Editor.java:483) +</I>><i> at processing.app.Editor.<init>(Editor.java:205) +</I>><i> at processing.app.Base.handleOpen(Base.java:700) +</I>><i> at processing.app.Base.handleOpen(Base.java:665) +</I>><i> at processing.app.Base.handleNew(Base.java:561) +</I>><i> at processing.app.Base.<init>(Base.java:301) +</I>><i> at processing.app.Base.main(Base.java:190) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> An older self-installed version of arduino still works so the problem +</I>><i> seems to be a path error somewhere related to the latest version. 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- solved</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Arduino%20package%20bug%3F%20-%20solved&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFD3FD7.9090807%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 11 10:56:55 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008185.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8183">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8183">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8183">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8183">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am 11.07.2012 10:55, schrieb Phil: +><i> On 11/07/12 12:33, Phil wrote: +</I>>><i> I have just installed the Arduino package and I'm greeted with the +</I>>><i> following error: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">phil at localhost</A> ~]$ arduino +</I>>><i> java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no rxtxSerial in java.library.path +</I>>><i> thrown while loading gnu.io.RXTXCommDriver +</I>>><i> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no rxtxSerial +</I>>><i> in java.library.path +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I've overcome the problem by downloading and installing the source file. +</I>><i> So there's a fault in the binary package file somewhere. +</I>><i> +</I>Did you report it at bugzilla? + +Oliver + +-- +Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca + +Mageia contributor +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008185.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8183">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8183">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8183">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8183">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008184.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008184.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..94a53230d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008184.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Arduino - avrlib + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Arduino%20-%20avrlib&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFD421F.90508%40unige.ch%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008185.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008189.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Arduino - avrlib</H1> + <B>Juergen Harms</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Arduino%20-%20avrlib&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFD421F.90508%40unige.ch%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Arduino - avrlib">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 11 11:06:39 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008185.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? 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(which I do +extensively (so far never considered packaging the tarball into an rpm +package). + +Juergen +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008185.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8184">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8184">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8184">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8184">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008185.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008185.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e3f28a31e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008185.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Arduino%20package%20bug%3F%20-%20solved&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFD546F.4040408%40bigpond.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008183.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008184.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved</H1> + <B>Phil</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Arduino%20package%20bug%3F%20-%20solved&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFD546F.4040408%40bigpond.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved">phil_lor at bigpond.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 11 12:24:47 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino - avrlib +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8185">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8185">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8185">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8185">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 11/07/12 18:56, Oliver Burger wrote: +><i> Am 11.07.2012 10:55, schrieb Phil: +</I>>><i> On 11/07/12 12:33, Phil wrote: +</I>>>><i> I have just installed the Arduino package and I'm greeted with the +</I>>>><i> following error: +</I> +><i> Did you report it at bugzilla? +</I> +What a complicated process, I couldn't even get past the registration +page. Fortunately, for me at least, the bug has already been reported. + +-- +Regards, +Phil +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino - avrlib +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8185">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8185">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8185">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8185">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008186.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008186.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..32975670b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008186.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Request%20for%20testing%3A%20hplip&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFD6272.2050903%40cox.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008180.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008179.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip</H1> + <B>Gary Montalbine</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Request%20for%20testing%3A%20hplip&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFD6272.2050903%40cox.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip">gmontalbine at cox.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 11 13:24:34 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8186">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8186">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8186">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8186">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> +</I>><i> Gary thanks for trying, I think you probably left off the --expert +</I>><i> switch when trying to tick the Updates column. Without that it won't +</I>><i> allow you alter that column. +</I> +I did use the wrong switch. Will know better next time. + +Thanks everyone for your great work. + +Gary +><i> +</I>><i> Thankyou all for getting involved. As a result, we have been able to +</I>><i> properly test and validate this so give yourselves a pat on the back :) +</I>><i> You should see it become available very soon as an official update for +</I>><i> all Mageia users! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks +</I>><i> Claire +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I></PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8186">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8186">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8186">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8186">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008187.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008187.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..48aff40c6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008187.html @@ -0,0 +1,238 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3Ca1r2d9-2eg.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008164.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008199.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug</H1> + <B>blind Pete</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3Ca1r2d9-2eg.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug">0123peter at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 12 14:03:21 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008164.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008199.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8187">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8187">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8187">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8187">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>andre999 wrote: + +><i> blind Pete a écrit : +</I>>><i> andre999 wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> blind Pete a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> David W. Hodgins wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 04:03:34 -0400, blind Pete +</I>>>>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> Morgan Leijström wrote: +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>><i> It would also be interesting to know what other tools say. +</I>>>>>>>><i> gparted? +</I>>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> Gparted looks pretty. As far as I can see, gparted agrees +</I>>>>>>><i> with what I think things should look like. Gparted and +</I>>>>>>><i> fdisk agree about the number of sectors. (More than you +</I>>>>>>><i> get by multiplying CxHxS.) +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Interesting. I guess it would be best to use 'hdparm -i /dev/sda|grep +</I>>>>>><i> LBAsects" to find out the number of sectors. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Regards, Dave Hodgins +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> ~]# hdparm -i /dev/sda | grep LBA +</I>>>>><i> CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=1953523055 +</I>>>>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> ~]# +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Same number of sectors as gparted and fdisk report. Number of heads +</I>>>>><i> and sectors per cylinder are just, "it's a big disk". _Posssibly_ +</I>>>>><i> number of cylinders gives a clue about how big. H can be 63 or 255, +</I>>>>><i> depending on mood, and CxHxS should be a little less than max LBA. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> The situation just got worse. The latest work arround is to lie +</I>>>>><i> about how big a sector is. That is called "advanced" formatting. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> BTW, with all those partitions, I would convert your disk to GPT tables +</I>>>><i> instead of MBR, using gdisk. +</I>>>><i> (gdisk is in core.) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> OK I have installed gdisk and will look at it. How would you rate +</I>>><i> it for maturity? And what else can recognize a gpt disk? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would say very mature, even when I started using it (under mdv 2010.0 +</I>><i> or 2010.1) +</I>><i> The developer says the "hybid" option which simulates MBR for Msw is +</I>><i> risky, but even that I found very stable and predictable +</I> +I let it loose on my test machine. It has Lilo on the mbr. Mageia 1 +with Grub in its root partition, Mageia 2 with Grub in its root +partition, and Ubuntu 10.04.4 with Grub 2 in its root partition. + +Converting to gpt confused Ubuntu's Grub 2. + +Experimenting with a hybrid system, converting a primary +to a logical, adding a new primary, and renumbering confused +lots of things. + +It was only the test computer. + +>><i> Grub? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, since 1.97 patched for GPT, as used in mdv and fedora (at least) +</I>><i> when I started using GPT. +</I>><i> Mageia has always used this version. +</I>>><i> Grub2? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Definitely +</I> +I managed to confuse it. Posibly by having it installed in the +root partition. + +>><i> Lilo? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Not sure. I think newer versions do. +</I> +Mostly works. The mbr code just jumps to a hardcoded sector +address and loads the real code from what is normally /etc/map. + +>><i> The Mageia installer? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I didn't have a problem. I did an upgrade install from mdv2010.2 to +</I>><i> mga1, and could read the other partitions to set up fstab. +</I>><i> Sometime before mga1 was available, I had a problem which corrupted my +</I>><i> system, and made it unbootable. It took me a while to get around that, +</I>><i> as I didn't want to loose my uncorrupted partitions. I ended up fixing +</I>><i> it with SystemRescueCD (it contains a partition recovery tool called +</I>><i> testdisk.) I was able to reinstall mdv. I may have formatted / with +</I>><i> SystemRescueCD. At that point I had a "hybrid" format simulating MBR +</I>><i> for systems not aware of GPT. +</I> +Is there any option in the installer to turn the disk into a gpt disk? + +>><i> Other installers? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Other operating systems? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> According to what I have read, most other major distros handle GPT +</I>><i> nicely. The Linux kernel does. +</I>><i> Msw 32-bit does not, but can work with gdisks' "hybrid" format, which +</I>><i> puts an MBR table at the end of the first sector (a space not used by +</I>><i> GPT). It is a little tricky to set up, but initially I had it working. +</I>><i> Recently I haven't been bothered to get it working again. +</I>><i> Msw 64-bit is GPT-aware, but I have read that it works only on EFT +</I>><i> hardware, which has a special BIOS. (Incompatible with Msw 32-bit.) It +</I>><i> may be just that it is the default installation. +</I>><i> MacOS handles GPT, but I'm not sure of the restrictions if any. Is was +</I>><i> an early adopter. +</I>><i> *BSD systems should handle GPT just like Linux. +</I>>>><i> It will make your disk more stable. +</I>>>><i> It uses a 128 partition table,with a backup table at the end of the +</I>>>><i> drive. No such thing as "extended" partitions. +</I>>>><i> It takes less space than the ms-compatible MBR partition tables. +</I>>>><i> The only trick is that you need to leave space for the backup table (34 +</I>>>><i> 512-byte sectors). +</I>>>><i> If you change your mind, you can convert back painlessly. +</I>>>><i> I've used GPT for over 2 years, including converting back and forth a +</I>>>><i> few times at first. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> To convert, you'll have to boot to a live disk, preferably with gdisk. +</I>>>><i> I use systemRescueCD for that. <A HREF="http://www.sysresccd.org/">http://www.sysresccd.org/</A> +</I>>>><i> The latest stable version is 379 Mib, usable from CD or USB key. +</I>>>><i> I don't know if a Mageia live cd, or Mageia DVD in rescue mode might +</I>>>><i> work. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> In Mageia 1 the installer pulled it from the net rather than from +</I>>><i> the local iso, so it was not prepackaged. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I installed mga1 from DVD. This upgrade went very smoothly. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I did have a problem changing partition parameters with diskdrake under +</I>><i> mga1, not long after installing it, shortly after mga1 was released. +</I>><i> Luckily I was testing things, so I didn't loose anything important. But +</I>><i> everything was lost on the partition in question. I then tried +</I>><i> reformatting the partition with diskdrake, and it wouldn't work. I had +</I>><i> to use SystemRescueCD (with gparted). +</I>><i> I strongly suspect it was due to my having a "hybrid" format. I think +</I>><i> that at least at that point, diskdrake (or whatever it uses) would see +</I>><i> the MBR table, and classify the disk as MBR. While still getting the +</I>><i> partition location parameters from the GPT table. (The simulated MBR +</I>><i> table puts most partitions in a large "foreign" partition. The +</I>><i> corrupted partition was not in the MBR table. And no other partition +</I>><i> was affected.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Note that I have never had a problem simply accessing (read or write) a +</I>><i> GPT partition on mdv or mga. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Also, initially I used gdisk to format usb drives (but no hybrid MBR +</I>><i> table), and have never had a problem on those disks with diskdrake or +</I>><i> any other mdv or mga tools. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> BTW, I installed gdisk from upstream on mdv, and first imported gdisk to +</I>><i> Mageia. +</I>>>><i> Just in case you might be interested +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> I'm interested. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You will probably find this interesting :) +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table</A> +</I> +Thanks. + +-- +blind Pete +Sig goes here... + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008164.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008199.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8187">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8187">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8187">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8187">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008188.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008188.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ed8f2b2d4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008188.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Sometimes%20gdm%20selects%20KDE%20session%20by%20itself&In-Reply-To=%3CCAPGqOedG7dyGojxCP%3D5V-Xu5120rar4aCf6HqPzfohy%3DZjaz9Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008157.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008165.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself</H1> + <B>Reinout van Schouwen</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Sometimes%20gdm%20selects%20KDE%20session%20by%20itself&In-Reply-To=%3CCAPGqOedG7dyGojxCP%3D5V-Xu5120rar4aCf6HqPzfohy%3DZjaz9Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself">reinout at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 12 15:47:21 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008157.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8188">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8188">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8188">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8188">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi Michael, + +2012/7/7 Michael Hill <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mdhillca at gmail.com</A>>: + +><i> Reinout, no answers but I need to be able to suspend my laptop from +</I>><i> the user menu, otherwise (if I simply close the lid) it drains the +</I>><i> battery. Suspend is no longer an option from the user menu... Power +</I>><i> Off expects me to type in the root password and then just logs me out. +</I> +That is a strange bug indeed. What does simply (shortly) pressing the +power button do? + +><i> Once in GDM I have the option (again) of powering off or suspending, +</I>><i> both of which hang the laptop in Console 1 and permit me only to +</I>><i> return to the GDM login prompt in Console 2. Maybe this is related to +</I>><i> your problem. +</I> +It doesn't sound very related to be honest. But you may try to install +gnome-tweak-tool which allows you to configure the 'laptop lid close +action'. + +regards, + +-- +Reinout van Schouwen +<A HREF="http://vanschouwen.info/">http://vanschouwen.info/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008157.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8188">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8188">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8188">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8188">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008189.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008189.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ebe372acc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008189.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%20%3C---%3E%0A%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFEF95B.8010200%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008184.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008190.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%20%3C---%3E%0A%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFEF95B.8010200%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 12 18:20:43 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino - avrlib +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008190.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8189">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8189">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8189">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8189">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Again, and now to the correct ml (was wrongly sent to doc-discuss) + + +Within Mageia, contributors from all over the world work together. We +come from different countries, speak different mother tongues and have +different cultural backgrounds. + +That can lead to confusion at times. + +In our community I'm sometimes reminded of a difference between the area +where I was born, and the rest of the Netherlands, which my schoolmates +and I used to call "Holland". + +Where I was born it is not done to answer "no" if someone asks you to do +something. You're supposed to be nice and friendly, not rude, so you say +you'll do it, even if you can't or if you're not sure. + +In the words of someone who returned to the area after having lived in +"Holland" for 30 years: + +"Jao, is hie gein ech jao, mer ein belaefde meneer óm nei te zèkge!" +('"Yes" is no real yes here, but a polite way to say "no"!') +<A HREF="http://www.limburghuis.nl/prikken/2002/021226.htm">http://www.limburghuis.nl/prikken/2002/021226.htm</A> + +The rest of the Netherlands has been under strong influence of all the +Dutch who read their Bibles everyday. So there it is: 'let your "yes" be +yes and your "no" be no' +<A HREF="http://www.esvbible.org/James+5.12/">http://www.esvbible.org/James+5.12/</A> + +Now that is hard, when you grow up in a "no is rude" area and then move +to "Holland". You continue to say "yes", because saying "no" feels like +a major sin, but now you're expected to *do* all those thing you said +you'd do. :-( + +Someone moving from "Holland" to the "no is rude" area goes crazy, too. +Within weeks he'll think the people there hate him, because many things +they agree to do don't get done (or only much later). + +How do we cope with such differences within our community? + +Cheers, +Marja +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino - avrlib +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008190.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8189">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8189">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8189">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8189">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008190.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008190.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ac3a1fd32 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008190.html @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3Cjtn08k%24e9n%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008189.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008191.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>isadora</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3Cjtn08k%24e9n%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">isadora7777777 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 12 19:07:32 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008191.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8190">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8190">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8190">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8190">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Very nice explanation Marja!!!! + +Would be a good to have this made visible in the forum as well. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008191.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8190">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8190">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8190">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8190">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008191.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008191.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..49fdf1c36 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008191.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C201207122106.41982.cooker%40solbu.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008190.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008193.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C201207122106.41982.cooker%40solbu.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">cooker at solbu.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 12 21:06:38 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008190.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8191">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8191">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8191">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8191">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thursday 12 July 2012 18:20, Marja van Waes wrote: +><i> Now that is hard, when you grow up in a "no is rude" area and then move +</I>><i> to "Holland". You continue to say "yes", because saying "no" feels like +</I>><i> a major sin, but now you're expected to *do* all those thing you said +</I>><i> you'd do. :-( +</I> +But ofcorse you're expected to keep your promisses. If you know that you ain't goint to, or can't do it, why on earth do you promise to do it in the first place? +That is considered lying where I come from. Sometimes we tell such people to stop this childish behaviour and start growing up. +The concequence of having a society as the described "Holland" society, is that you can't trust people. + +Either you can do it and say you'll do it, or you /can't/ do it and say that you can't. Why on earth is that considered to be rude? + +No one prommised that the right thing to would be the easy thing to do. +The Right thing to do is to always mean what you're saying. If you don't, you're a lier and can't be trusted. + + +><i> How do we cope with such differences within our community? +</I> +We should point it out as an unaccepable behaviour. +It should not be acceptable to lie just because one is afraid to say the truth. +There is no such thing as a black or white lie. Either you're lying or you're not. + +-- +Johnny A. 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Solbu wrote: + +><i> The Right thing to do is to always mean what you're saying. If you don't, you're a lier and can't be trusted. +</I>><i> +</I> +When things are going bad, and you meet someone you don't like and he +asks you "how do you do", what do you answer? + +I know very many people who always answer something like: "fine, thank +you", regardless of how they are really doing, even to people they do +like, because they've been taught that that is the correct answer to +that question. + +What you're taught to do has a tremendous influence on how you see and +interpret things. That is not something you can change overnight + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008191.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8193">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8193">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8193">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8193">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008194.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008194.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1a4bc7569 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008194.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3CCAN1SA7JFrMaozk-vD%3DKP0ohywcuHhNe10VxmMivrRhrae8g_OQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Solbu wrote: +><i> On Thursday 12 July 2012 18:20, Marja van Waes wrote: +</I>>><i> Now that is hard, when you grow up in a "no is rude" area and then move +</I>>><i> to "Holland". You continue to say "yes", because saying "no" feels like +</I>>><i> a major sin, but now you're expected to *do* all those thing you said +</I>>><i> you'd do. :-( +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But ofcorse you're expected to keep your promisses. If you know that you ain't goint to, or can't do it, why on earth do you promise to do it in the first place? +</I> +Excactly, that is what I thought, because I picked that up very fast. So +what I got into, was that I said yes and did yes, even if I couldn't. So +it could happen that I was doing the 100% tasks of 3 persons at the same +time. No, that didn't go well.. one time I was continually answering the +phone and the doorbell for an organisation, cooking for 35 people at the +same time and looking after two very young children who were in a room +that was dangerous to very young children. At one point I answered the +phone and couldn't make words any more, what I said were senseless sounds + +It took very many years before I learnt that saying "no" isn't the very +evil thing I thought it was. + +The reason I started this thread, is that I sometimes have the +impression that we have some contributors in Mageia, who haven't really +learnt to say "no" or "it is ready when it is ready" + +Instead of telling them they are liars, I hope we'll have more +compassion on them. +I hope we'll ask: "Hey, what happened? Were you ill? Did you have too +much to do for your day time job? You said you'd finish this task before +last week and it still isn't finished" + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008202.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8195">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8195">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8195">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8195">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008196.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008196.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..253d7ec99 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008196.html @@ -0,0 +1,112 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C20120712183406.17790%40gmx.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008194.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008192.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Goh Lip</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C20120712183406.17790%40gmx.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">lipg at gmx.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 12 20:34:05 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008194.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008192.html">[Mageia-discuss] LWN and Mageia +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8196">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8196">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8196">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8196">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +><i> ----- Original Message ----- +</I>><i> From: Marja van Waes +</I> +><i> Where I was born it is not done to answer "no" if someone asks you to do +</I>><i> something. You're supposed to be nice and friendly, not rude, so you say +</I>><i> you'll do it, even if you can't or if you're not sure. +</I>><i> +</I> + +Interesting; I used to go to Indonesia fairly often in my course of work, long ago. When I asked the Indonesians to do something, I often got a reply 'esok' which means 'tomorrow'. I used to be exasperated when the task I expected to be completed the next day was not done. I finally realized that 'esok', while meaning 'tomorrow' is also used to mean 'ya okay, maybe I'll get the job done, maybe someday'.  Ha, perhaps ya, the Indonesians learnt this from the Dutch, ya? Or the Dutch from the Indonesians? + +I finally wised up and followed up with "Kapan?", meaning 'When will the task be done?". While accepting this to be a cultural thing and we shouldn't be put off by cultural differences, I personally think a person's words should mean what they say; we can still be honest without being hypocritical or tactless. + +Cheers - Goh Lip + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008194.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008192.html">[Mageia-discuss] LWN and Mageia +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8196">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8196">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8196">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8196">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008197.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008197.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4060e3677 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008197.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C201207130001.23975.cooker%40solbu.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008193.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008198.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C201207130001.23975.cooker%40solbu.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">cooker at solbu.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 00:01:20 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008198.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8197">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8197">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8197">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8197">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thursday 12 July 2012 22:28, Marja van Waes wrote: +><i> > The Right thing to do is to always mean what you're saying. If you don't, you're a lier and can't be trusted. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When things are going bad, and you meet someone you don't like and he +</I>><i> asks you "how do you do", what do you answer? +</I> +I tend to not answer the question, by saying something else which appears to answer the question. +So I'd say something like that I am fine. There is a difference in me Doing fine, and me not Feeling fine. and I usually feel fine, even thou things I do are not going fine. + +A better example, is something that I frequently did when it was needed. + +I sometimes have a friend over (let's call him Y) that sometimes doesn't want to talk to X. Sometimes I used to get a phone from X ansking if I kow where Y is. If Y didn't want to talk to X (which he'd declare before I answered the phone), I'd often close my eyes or turn my back to Y and say to X on the phone that I don't see him, or that I hadn't seen him in a while. Sometimes I could say that I hadn't seen him since the last time I saw him. + +Both statements are true. With my back to him, I can't see him, hence I didn't see him. +And I didn't see him in a while, al thou a very /short/ while. A few seconds is still a while. I mean, how long is a piece of string? :-)= + +The trick is often to answer their exact question, and not what they want to know. +I learned this from a couple who are friends of the family, and which does quite a bit of counceling. + +-- +Johnny A. 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Solbu wrote: +><i> I tend to not answer the question, +</I> +I think you're missing the point. In some cultures, not giving offense +trumps telling the truth. + +I've found this to be the case in the past with the Japanese on IT +matters. When they say "yes" they really mean "I understand the request +you are making", not "I am committing to doing it". They expect you to +know that what you are asking is (in their view) unreasonable. + +It's the same with the Northern Irish kids (and probably the +British,since it's the same school system model). They'll agree to do +things they have no intention of doing because you just should have +known that nobody would do that regardless of what they promised you. + +Like I said,culture. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008200.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8198">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8198">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8198">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8198">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008199.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008199.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..46ea2b88b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008199.html @@ -0,0 +1,313 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFF5FB4.4010500%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008187.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008203.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFF5FB4.4010500%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug">andre999mga at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 01:37:24 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008187.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008203.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8199">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8199">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8199">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8199">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>blind Pete a écrit : +><i> andre999 wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> blind Pete a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> andre999 wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> blind Pete a écrit : +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> David W. Hodgins wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 04:03:34 -0400, blind Pete +</I>>>>>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>><i> Morgan Leijström wrote: +</I>>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>>><i> It would also be interesting to know what other tools say. +</I>>>>>>>>><i> gparted? +</I>>>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>><i> Gparted looks pretty. As far as I can see, gparted agrees +</I>>>>>>>><i> with what I think things should look like. Gparted and +</I>>>>>>>><i> fdisk agree about the number of sectors. (More than you +</I>>>>>>>><i> get by multiplying CxHxS.) +</I>>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> Interesting. I guess it would be best to use 'hdparm -i /dev/sda|grep +</I>>>>>>><i> LBAsects" to find out the number of sectors. +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> Regards, Dave Hodgins +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> ~]# hdparm -i /dev/sda | grep LBA +</I>>>>>><i> CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=1953523055 +</I>>>>>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at live</A> ~]# +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Same number of sectors as gparted and fdisk report. Number of heads +</I>>>>>><i> and sectors per cylinder are just, "it's a big disk". _Posssibly_ +</I>>>>>><i> number of cylinders gives a clue about how big. H can be 63 or 255, +</I>>>>>><i> depending on mood, and CxHxS should be a little less than max LBA. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> The situation just got worse. The latest work arround is to lie +</I>>>>>><i> about how big a sector is. That is called "advanced" formatting. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> BTW, with all those partitions, I would convert your disk to GPT tables +</I>>>>><i> instead of MBR, using gdisk. +</I>>>>><i> (gdisk is in core.) +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> OK I have installed gdisk and will look at it. How would you rate +</I>>>><i> it for maturity? And what else can recognize a gpt disk? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> I would say very mature, even when I started using it (under mdv 2010.0 +</I>>><i> or 2010.1) +</I>>><i> The developer says the "hybid" option which simulates MBR for Msw is +</I>>><i> risky, but even that I found very stable and predictable +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I let it loose on my test machine. It has Lilo on the mbr. Mageia 1 +</I>><i> with Grub in its root partition, Mageia 2 with Grub in its root +</I>><i> partition, and Ubuntu 10.04.4 with Grub 2 in its root partition. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Converting to gpt confused Ubuntu's Grub 2. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Experimenting with a hybrid system, converting a primary +</I>><i> to a logical, adding a new primary, and renumbering confused +</I>><i> lots of things. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It was only the test computer. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> Grub? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes, since 1.97 patched for GPT, as used in mdv and fedora (at least) +</I>>><i> when I started using GPT. +</I>>><i> Mageia has always used this version. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Grub2? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Definitely +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I managed to confuse it. Posibly by having it installed in the +</I>><i> root partition. +</I> +It might be because you had your "extended" partition at the beginning +of the disk, and MBR disk partitions are numbered with the "primary" +partions 1-4 and "extended" 5+. +Gdisk would normally number in disk order, but I'm not sure because I +have always numbered in disk order with the "extended" partition at the +end of the disk. With gdisk it is easy to extend an extended partition +to the end of disk with gparted (using a live cd such as systemrescueCD). +You can easily check what partition ordering is with gdisk. (From +systemrescueCD if necessary.) +In any case, both grub and grub2 can get confused sometimes when +partition numbering changes. +It is only necessary to go into rescue mode on boot (from any Mageia +boot cd/dvd, or systemrescueCD), and invoke grub to find the designated +boot partition. +It gives you a grub prompt. grub has somewhat cryptic but useful help. +(This may have changed under grub2, but I don't think so.) +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> Lilo? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Not sure. I think newer versions do. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Mostly works. The mbr code just jumps to a hardcoded sector +</I>><i> address and loads the real code from what is normally /etc/map. +</I>><i> +</I> +Good to know. +><i> +</I>>>><i> The Mageia installer? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> I didn't have a problem. I did an upgrade install from mdv2010.2 to +</I>>><i> mga1, and could read the other partitions to set up fstab. +</I>>><i> Sometime before mga1 was available, I had a problem which corrupted my +</I>>><i> system, and made it unbootable. It took me a while to get around that, +</I>>><i> as I didn't want to loose my uncorrupted partitions. I ended up fixing +</I>>><i> it with SystemRescueCD (it contains a partition recovery tool called +</I>>><i> testdisk.) I was able to reinstall mdv. I may have formatted / with +</I>>><i> SystemRescueCD. At that point I had a "hybrid" format simulating MBR +</I>>><i> for systems not aware of GPT. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Is there any option in the installer to turn the disk into a gpt disk? +</I> +I highly doubt it, if you mean converting an MBR disk to gpt. +I think gdisk must be used. (or some other similar application.) +And a live cd or dvd, since you can't be using the disk during conversion. + +If you're talking about completely reformatting the disk during +installation, it might work. +When I first tried gpt, I was able to newly format empty usb drives as +gpt, but I don't remember if I used the systemrescueCD or Mandriva. (If +Mandriva, then that should still work with Mageia.) +But working with secondary drives after installation doesn't mean it +would necessarily work with the boot drive during installation. (But it +would be nice if someone tested ;) ) + +>>><i> Other installers? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Other operating systems? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> According to what I have read, most other major distros handle GPT +</I>>><i> nicely. The Linux kernel does. +</I>>><i> Msw 32-bit does not, but can work with gdisks' "hybrid" format, which +</I>>><i> puts an MBR table at the end of the first sector (a space not used by +</I>>><i> GPT). It is a little tricky to set up, but initially I had it working. +</I>>><i> Recently I haven't been bothered to get it working again. +</I>>><i> Msw 64-bit is GPT-aware, but I have read that it works only on EFT +</I>>><i> hardware, which has a special BIOS. (Incompatible with Msw 32-bit.) It +</I>>><i> may be just that it is the default installation. +</I>>><i> MacOS handles GPT, but I'm not sure of the restrictions if any. Is was +</I>>><i> an early adopter. +</I>>><i> *BSD systems should handle GPT just like Linux. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> It will make your disk more stable. +</I>>>>><i> It uses a 128 partition table,with a backup table at the end of the +</I>>>>><i> drive. No such thing as "extended" partitions. +</I>>>>><i> It takes less space than the ms-compatible MBR partition tables. +</I>>>>><i> The only trick is that you need to leave space for the backup table (34 +</I>>>>><i> 512-byte sectors). +</I>>>>><i> If you change your mind, you can convert back painlessly. +</I>>>>><i> I've used GPT for over 2 years, including converting back and forth a +</I>>>>><i> few times at first. +</I>>>>><i> +</I> +Note that if a disk is first formatted as gpt, it can't be converted to +mbr unless it has 4 or less partitions, or every partition after +partition 3 (that is, any that would be in the extended partition) has +enough empty space before it. With the default config for mbr, that +means 63 unallocated sectors before each "logical" partition. +>>>><i> To convert, you'll have to boot to a live disk, preferably with gdisk. +</I>>>>><i> I use systemRescueCD for that. <A HREF="http://www.sysresccd.org/">http://www.sysresccd.org/</A> +</I>>>>><i> The latest stable version is 379 Mib, usable from CD or USB key. +</I>>>>><i> I don't know if a Mageia live cd, or Mageia DVD in rescue mode might +</I>>>>><i> work. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> In Mageia 1 the installer pulled it from the net rather than from +</I>>>><i> the local iso, so it was not prepackaged. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> I installed mga1 from DVD. This upgrade went very smoothly. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I did have a problem changing partition parameters with diskdrake under +</I>>><i> mga1, not long after installing it, shortly after mga1 was released. +</I>>><i> Luckily I was testing things, so I didn't loose anything important. But +</I>>><i> everything was lost on the partition in question. I then tried +</I>>><i> reformatting the partition with diskdrake, and it wouldn't work. I had +</I>>><i> to use SystemRescueCD (with gparted). +</I>>><i> I strongly suspect it was due to my having a "hybrid" format. I think +</I>>><i> that at least at that point, diskdrake (or whatever it uses) would see +</I>>><i> the MBR table, and classify the disk as MBR. While still getting the +</I>>><i> partition location parameters from the GPT table. (The simulated MBR +</I>>><i> table puts most partitions in a large "foreign" partition. The +</I>>><i> corrupted partition was not in the MBR table. And no other partition +</I>>><i> was affected.) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Note that I have never had a problem simply accessing (read or write) a +</I>>><i> GPT partition on mdv or mga. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Also, initially I used gdisk to format usb drives (but no hybrid MBR +</I>>><i> table), and have never had a problem on those disks with diskdrake or +</I>>><i> any other mdv or mga tools. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> BTW, I installed gdisk from upstream on mdv, and first imported gdisk to +</I>>><i> Mageia. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Just in case you might be interested +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I'm interested. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> You will probably find this interesting :) +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>A further thought. If you don't need MBR access on a gpt disk (in other +words, don't have msw installed), it is better not to have a "hybrid" +format. +That is, use the default gdisk format which creates an mbr table with a +non-ms partition occupying the entire disk. (To discourage +non-gpt-aware systems from corrupting your disk.) +The gdisk site has some info for using non-linux gpt-aware partitions, +in case you have any. + +Regards :) + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008187.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008203.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8199">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8199">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8199">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8199">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008200.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008200.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ccf4ecaf7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008200.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C201207130241.03500.cooker%40solbu.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008198.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008201.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C201207130241.03500.cooker%40solbu.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">cooker at solbu.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 02:40:58 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008198.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008201.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8200">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8200">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8200">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8200">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Friday 13 July 2012 01:35, Frank Griffin wrote: +><i> I think you're missing the point.   +</I> +As did you. I gave a few example on how to avoid to lie, and be thuthfull at the same time. +There is a difference in not telling what they wan't to hear, and lying just to avoid problems. +Besides, telling the truth does not mean that you should tell the whole truth. There's a difference. :-)= + +><i> In some cultures, not giving offense trumps telling the truth. +</I> +Which does not defend lying. I really cannot envision a situation where outright lying is prefered over telling the truth or just shutting up. +If the truth is to much in a situation, then suck it up and shutup. If you're not saying anything, you can't be lying. + +There's another way to answer if someone ask if you would do something. You can say "Yes, I can do that". By that statement you're simply saying that you /can do it, you didn't say that you Would do it. I did that with my late grandma, which often asked me to do things that I really didn't want to do, and I didn't want to tell her that I hoped to avoid it. +The trick is how you say it, which is what lawyers have discovered. + + +And yes, this is something that I really have strong opinions about. ;-)= + +-- +Johnny A. 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Solbu a écrit : +><i> On Friday 13 July 2012 01:35, Frank Griffin wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> I think you're missing the point. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> As did you. I gave a few example on how to avoid to lie, and be thuthfull at the same time. +</I>><i> There is a difference in not telling what they wan't to hear, and lying just to avoid problems. +</I>><i> Besides, telling the truth does not mean that you should tell the whole truth. There's a difference. :-)= +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> In some cultures, not giving offense trumps telling the truth. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Which does not defend lying. I really cannot envision a situation where outright lying is prefered over telling the truth or just shutting up. +</I>><i> If the truth is to much in a situation, then suck it up and shutup. If you're not saying anything, you can't be lying. +</I>><i> +</I> +That depends on what is understood. Which depends largely on culture, +but also on personal point of view. +For example, there has been more than one statement on your part that, +from my point of view, did not accord with reality. Did I consider that +you were "lying" ? No. +That you had a different understanding of the situation, a different +point of view, and maybe that you were mistaken, depending on the +particular point in question. + +The world of communication is subjective, however much we might like, as +those implicated in the computer field, that it be mathematically objective. + +"Lying" is an agressive word that is disrespectful of others, in my view. +For example, it is considered unacceptable by parliamentary rules in +most democratic countries, as well as in diplomacy. +Even though I tend to hold strong opinions on various subjects, I +wouldn't accuse others of lying. + +Perhaps my point of view is conditioned by the many cultures from all +around the world that one finds in Canada. In the past I briefly +studied Japanese, and as already pointed out, their language and culture +is very much oriented to politeness, characterised by being indirect. +Those cultures where people tend to be more direct are frequently see as +rude by others. +But even in cultures which are more direct, being less direct is seen as +being more polite. The differences between cultures is largely a matter +of degree. +><i> There's another way to answer if someone ask if you would do something. You can say "Yes, I can do that". By that statement you're simply saying that you /can do it, you didn't say that you Would do it. I did that with my late grandma, which often asked me to do things that I really didn't want to do, and I didn't want to tell her that I hoped to avoid it. +</I>><i> The trick is how you say it, which is what lawyers have discovered. +</I>><i> +</I> +If it is a "trick", it is any more honest ? +As for lawyers, they have their own jargon which often does not accord +with the usual usage of their language. (Often totally illogical, if +interpreted word for word, as well.) +><i> And yes, this is something that I really have strong opinions about. ;-)= +</I>><i> +</I> +I think we noticed :) + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008200.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8201">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8201">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8201">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8201">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008202.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008202.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2ed357063 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008202.html @@ -0,0 +1,132 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFF8C41.3020901%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008195.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008204.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFF8C41.3020901%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">andre999mga at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 04:47:29 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008195.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008204.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8202">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8202">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8202">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8202">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marja van Waes a écrit : +><i> On 12/07/2012 21:06, Johnny A. Solbu wrote: +</I>>><i> On Thursday 12 July 2012 18:20, Marja van Waes wrote: +</I>>>><i> Now that is hard, when you grow up in a "no is rude" area and then move +</I>>>><i> to "Holland". You continue to say "yes", because saying "no" feels like +</I>>>><i> a major sin, but now you're expected to *do* all those thing you said +</I>>>><i> you'd do. :-( +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But ofcorse you're expected to keep your promisses. If you know that +</I>>><i> you ain't goint to, or can't do it, why on earth do you promise to do +</I>>><i> it in the first place? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Excactly, that is what I thought, because I picked that up very fast. +</I>><i> So what I got into, was that I said yes and did yes, even if I +</I>><i> couldn't. So it could happen that I was doing the 100% tasks of 3 +</I>><i> persons at the same time. No, that didn't go well.. one time I was +</I>><i> continually answering the phone and the doorbell for an organisation, +</I>><i> cooking for 35 people at the same time and looking after two very +</I>><i> young children who were in a room that was dangerous to very young +</I>><i> children. At one point I answered the phone and couldn't make words +</I>><i> any more, what I said were senseless sounds +</I> +Yes, that I can believe of Marja ;) +(Which reminds me, my dutch aunt was a bit like that. She was always +hosting the family reunions, spending all her time taking care of +everyone else.) +><i> +</I>><i> It took very many years before I learnt that saying "no" isn't the +</I>><i> very evil thing I thought it was. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The reason I started this thread, is that I sometimes have the +</I>><i> impression that we have some contributors in Mageia, who haven't +</I>><i> really learnt to say "no" or "it is ready when it is ready" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Instead of telling them they are liars, I hope we'll have more +</I>><i> compassion on them. +</I>><i> I hope we'll ask: "Hey, what happened? Were you ill? Did you have too +</I>><i> much to do for your day time job? You said you'd finish this task +</I>><i> before last week and it still isn't finished" +</I>><i> +</I>Or just be more realistic. +Don't forget that often people will say yes because they would like to +do something, without seriously considering the various demands on their +time. They think it is a good idea, and they want to contribute. (I +tend to be somewhat like that.) +So it is not only people saying "yes" when they mean "no". +And once they have said "yes", like almost everyone, they find it more +difficult to say "no" later on. After all, they still think it is +something that should be done. + +So using the concept of "lying", those accusing others of "lying" could +be seen as largely stretching the truth. (Or simply being blind to +reality.) + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008195.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008204.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8202">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8202">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8202">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8202">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008203.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008203.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..de0821784 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008203.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFF8E37.30206%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008199.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008226.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFF8E37.30206%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug">andre999mga at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 04:55:51 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008199.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008226.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8203">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8203">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8203">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8203">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>andre999 a écrit : + +correction : +><i> It might be because you had your "extended" partition at the beginning +</I>><i> of the disk, and MBR disk partitions are numbered with the "primary" +</I>><i> partions 1-4 and "extended" 5+. +</I>><i> Gdisk would normally number in disk order, but I'm not sure because I +</I>><i> have always numbered in disk order with the "extended" partition at +</I>><i> the end of the disk. With gdisk it is easy to extend an +</I>I meant "With gparted it is easy to extend an ... +(obviously not gdisk) +><i> extended partition to the end of disk with gparted (using a live cd +</I>><i> such as systemrescueCD). +</I>><i> You can easily check what partition ordering is with gdisk. (From +</I>><i> systemrescueCD if necessary.) +</I>><i> In any case, both grub and grub2 can get confused sometimes when +</I>><i> partition numbering changes. +</I>><i> It is only necessary to go into rescue mode on boot (from any Mageia +</I>><i> boot cd/dvd, or systemrescueCD), and invoke grub to find the +</I>><i> designated boot partition. +</I>><i> It gives you a grub prompt. grub has somewhat cryptic but useful help. +</I>><i> (This may have changed under grub2, but I don't think so.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards :) +</I>><i> +</I>-- +André + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008199.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008226.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8203">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8203">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8203">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8203">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008204.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008204.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5a31ce343 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008204.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C201207130514.09659.cooker%40solbu.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008202.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008205.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C201207130514.09659.cooker%40solbu.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">cooker at solbu.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 05:14:05 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008202.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008205.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8204">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8204">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8204">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8204">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Friday 13 July 2012 04:47, andre999 wrote: +><i> Don't forget that often people will say yes because they would like to +</I>><i> do something, without seriously considering the various demands on their +</I>><i> time.  They think it is a good idea, and they want to contribute.  (I +</I>><i> tend to be somewhat like that.) +</I> +That is completely different from what sparked this discussion. There is a big difference in accepting a job with the intent to do it, and later on finding that you can't do it, and accepting it just because one have problems saying "No", with no intent of doing it. It is the latter I have talked about. + +-- +Johnny A. 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Solbu a écrit : +><i> On Friday 13 July 2012 04:47, andre999 wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Don't forget that often people will say yes because they would like to +</I>>><i> do something, without seriously considering the various demands on their +</I>>><i> time. They think it is a good idea, and they want to contribute. (I +</I>>><i> tend to be somewhat like that.) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> That is completely different from what sparked this discussion. There is a big difference in accepting a job with the intent to do it, and later on finding that you can't do it, and accepting it just because one have problems saying "No", with no intent of doing it. It is the latter I have talked about. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Not as I read the original post. +Did the person mean "yes, I have the time and will definitely do it", + or "yes, I would like to do it", + or "yes, I might do it", + or "yes, I think it is a very good idea that somebody do it" ? +Often the person saying "yes" doesn't even know what type of yes they +are giving, because they haven't really thought about what was involved +in doing it. +So how can others know ? +What Marja seems (to me) to be asking is that we have consideration that +the person saying "yes" wasn't, for whatever reason, as committed to +doing it as we might have thought. +And not to react by blaming them. + +Don't forget, we are not necessarily talking about well-defined tasks. +Contributions are often start out fairly vague, refined over time. + +And often, out of politeness, we ask "would you like to do ...". +So what does "yes" mean then ? + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008204.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8205">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8205">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8205">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8205">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008206.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008206.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0891782d3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008206.html @@ -0,0 +1,136 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFFC130.5070503%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008218.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008209.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFFC130.5070503%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 08:33:20 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008209.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8206">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8206">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8206">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8206">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 13/07/2012 04:47, andre999 wrote: +><i> Marja van Waes a écrit : +</I> +>><i> +</I>>><i> The reason I started this thread, is that I sometimes have the +</I>>><i> impression that we have some contributors in Mageia, who haven't +</I>>><i> really learnt to say "no" or "it is ready when it is ready" +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Instead of telling them they are liars, I hope we'll have more +</I>>><i> compassion on them. +</I>>><i> I hope we'll ask: "Hey, what happened? Were you ill? Did you have too +</I>>><i> much to do for your day time job? You said you'd finish this task +</I>>><i> before last week and it still isn't finished" +</I> +The part between " " was something that (in a slightly different form) +doktor5000 suggested to ask in such situations +>><i> +</I>><i> Or just be more realistic. +</I>><i> Don't forget that often people will say yes because they would like to +</I>><i> do something, without seriously considering the various demands on their +</I>><i> time. They think it is a good idea, and they want to contribute. (I tend +</I>><i> to be somewhat like that.) +</I>><i> So it is not only people saying "yes" when they mean "no". +</I>><i> And once they have said "yes", like almost everyone, they find it more +</I>><i> difficult to say "no" later on. After all, they still think it is +</I>><i> something that should be done. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So using the concept of "lying", those accusing others of "lying" could +</I>><i> be seen as largely stretching the truth. (Or simply being blind to +</I>><i> reality.) +</I>><i> +</I> +There is another one: +I already knew a good friend of me needs to put her phone very far away +from her bed, because if she doesn't do that, she'll answer it in her +sleep and agree to do anything people ask her. +Yesterday morning very early I ponged someone on IRC. We talked a little +and I asked him permission for something. Fine with him (which surprised +me, to be honest, I had expected a no or at the most a yes to an +adjusted form of my proposal). Last evening, I referred to the time at +which we had had the chat of that morning. He wasn't aware of it, he +thought he was sleeping at that time. So I inquired about what he had +agreed on. Well, he wasn't aware of that either. He surely was very +unhappy with it. + +So that agreement doesn't count. +First of all because I was wrong to ask something that I would never say +"yes" to myself. (Thank you for making me aware - in another reply in +this thread - that we need to be considerate when asking things of people) +Secondly because he was in a state between sleeping and waking when +"agreeing" + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008209.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8206">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8206">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8206">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8206">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008207.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008207.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d22bd0890 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008207.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6TppaZGekwn710F9NuXR5FfhvUMYPPmBMdCcJ3Aj4H%2BA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008205.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008210.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6TppaZGekwn710F9NuXR5FfhvUMYPPmBMdCcJ3Aj4H%2BA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 08:42:25 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008205.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008210.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8207">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8207">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8207">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8207">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>All this leaves me wondering open-mouthed. Wondering how people yould +manage their daily lives when they don't want to use a clear negative +answer to a question where "yes" and "no" would cause different +consequences. + +Marjy, if I'd ask you "Would it be ok when I come visiting next week?" +I need a valid answer because if you say "yes" I will buy a ticket and +hop on the train next monday. And I'd be very surprised if I will +knock on your door and you are not there because you said "yes" just +out of being polite. + +Or does this "yes/no" thing only apply when you are asked to do +something? If so, I still don't think it is rude to reply "no" where +"no" is the correct answer. Actually I find it quite rude to give the +other the impression of being ready to do something while I have not +the slightest intention to really do it. + +Of course I accept local habits, but we should not do this here in +this environment. As our communication is only written, without the +extra benefit of face mimic and body language, we need to be precise +in such things where the answer to a question bears consequences for +each and all. I think people working in an international environment +should accept this. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008205.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008210.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8207">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8207">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8207">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8207">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008208.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008208.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1606f289c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008208.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFFC5A8.7050300%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008250.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008229.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFFC5A8.7050300%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 08:52:24 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8208">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8208">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8208">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8208">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 13/07/2012 00:01, Johnny A. Solbu wrote: +><i> On Thursday 12 July 2012 22:28, Marja van Waes wrote: +</I>>>><i> The Right thing to do is to always mean what you're saying. If +</I>>>><i> you don't, you're a lier and can't be trusted. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I sometimes have a friend over (let's call him Y) that sometimes +</I>><i> doesn't want to talk to X. Sometimes I used to get a phone from X +</I>><i> ansking if I kow where Y is. If Y didn't want to talk to X (which +</I>><i> he'd declare before I answered the phone), I'd often close my eyes or +</I>><i> turn my back to Y and say to X on the phone that I don't see him, or +</I>><i> that I hadn't seen him in a while. Sometimes I could say that I +</I>><i> hadn't seen him since the last time I saw him. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Both statements are true. With my back to him, I can't see him, hence +</I>><i> I didn't see him. And I didn't see him in a while, al thou a very +</I>><i> /short/ while. A few seconds is still a while. I mean, how long is a +</I>><i> piece of string? :-)= +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The trick is often to answer their exact question, and not what they +</I>><i> want to know. I learned this from a couple who are friends of the +</I>><i> family, and which does quite a bit of counceling. +</I>><i> +</I> +I know this trick, I use it at times. + +Thanks a lot for mentioning it, because now is the first time I really +think about it. + +I'd feel betrayed if I were Y and found out X was with you. + +The sooner I stop using this trick, the better. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8208">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8208">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8208">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8208">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008209.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008209.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d12ac44fd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008209.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4xcCV442spjhX%2B5MgD%3DO4TFPBx1WdQ2UruBbytcdL%2BCg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008206.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008231.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4xcCV442spjhX%2B5MgD%3DO4TFPBx1WdQ2UruBbytcdL%2BCg%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 08:54:45 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008206.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8209">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8209">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8209">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8209">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/7/13 Marja van Waes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>>: +>><i> Don't forget that often people will say yes because they would like to +</I>>><i> do something, without seriously considering the various demands on their +</I>>><i> time. They think it is a good idea, and they want to contribute. (I tend +</I>>><i> to be somewhat like that.) +</I>>><i> So it is not only people saying "yes" when they mean "no". +</I>>><i> And once they have said "yes", like almost everyone, they find it more +</I>>><i> difficult to say "no" later on. After all, they still think it is +</I>>><i> something that should be done. +</I> +The more it is important that we all realize that we have to +communicate in clear words and a truthful attitude. If I offered to do +something and I find it either too time consuming or too difficult - I +do not wait until others are asking about the progress of the task, I +explain the situation and act likewise, I'm a grown-up and not in +first grade anymore. I actually did so when I discovered that I could +not contribute any more in the same way I used to, and because I did +all others involved were able to cope with the situation instead of +facing unwanted delays or worse. + +If we all act up to our core values (where this situation is +explicitely mentioned!) it will be no big thing for anybody. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008206.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8209">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8209">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8209">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8209">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008210.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008210.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..975ac5d56 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008210.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFFC7E8.3050109%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008207.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008212.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Simon Parsons</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFFC7E8.3050109%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">gm4nzg at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 09:02:00 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8210">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8210">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8210">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8210">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 13/07/2012 07:42, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> Of course I accept local habits, but we should not do this here in +</I>><i> this environment. As our communication is only written, without the +</I>><i> extra benefit of face mimic and body language, we need to be precise +</I>><i> in such things where the answer to a question bears consequences for +</I>><i> each and all. I think people working in an international environment +</I>><i> should accept this. +</I>><i> +</I> + +Being English, I find all of this very interesting. Here, we say +"Pleased to meet you" when we probably are not. + +I would not normally mention Germans in this context, but having German +relatives, they have told me that it is well-known in Germany that we +English say many things that we do not mean and this causes some +communication problems, but most importantly, that because of this the +English cannot be trusted. Of course, we think we are just being polite. ;-) + +Simon(nzg) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8210">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8210">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8210">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8210">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008211.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008211.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..74e8f4ab1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008211.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C20120713170845.633affb7%40dougshost.douglaidlaw.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008228.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008214.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Doug Laidlaw</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C20120713170845.633affb7%40dougshost.douglaidlaw.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 09:08:45 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008214.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8211">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8211">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8211">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8211">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:42:25 +0200 +Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: + +><i> All this leaves me wondering open-mouthed. Wondering how people yould +</I>><i> manage their daily lives when they don't want to use a clear negative +</I>><i> answer to a question where "yes" and "no" would cause different +</I>><i> consequences. +</I>><i> +</I>It leaves me wondering what all this has to do with Mageia? Does it +simply mean that being a multinational, multicultural community, we +need to remember that in our dealings, and Marja's example is one of +them? + +Nowadays, even a local community is multicultural. Here, my brother +kept using the phrase "spot the Aussie." That didn't mean Aboriginals, +but white descendants of the British settlers. In London even, there +doesn't seem to be an "English" face. If you can get on well with your +neighbours, you are half-way there. + +In my student days, I had a pen-friend from the Lyons district. A +fellow student from Paris told me that if I ever went to France, +knowing her would be an invaluable doorway into French society, because +otherwise, it would be very difficult. True or not, it is just another +example. (I lost touch with her when she married.) + +Doug. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008214.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8211">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8211">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8211">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8211">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008212.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008212.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..87ecabd86 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008212.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6XWhLDKOhL2G-4amrsWKNs0ntR_rnXzXA4iEbDTAFbbQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008210.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008228.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6XWhLDKOhL2G-4amrsWKNs0ntR_rnXzXA4iEbDTAFbbQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 09:31:48 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008210.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8212">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8212">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8212">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8212">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/7/13 Simon Parsons <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gm4nzg at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Being English, I find all of this very interesting. Here, we say "Pleased to +</I>><i> meet you" when we probably are not. +</I> +Same here (I'm German). We also ask "How are you" although we are not +at all interested, and we answer "Fine, thank you" no matter how we +really feel. And as a former husband I have learned that it is crucial +to give the right (not necessarily correct) answer if your wife asks +questions like "Am I too fat?". :) All these are words of no real +matter, they are empty gestures and everybody knows that. But this is +not the same as real questions and answers. When asked to do something +I either say "yes" or "no" or "I'll see what I can do but pls do not +count on it" as a polite "no". + . +><i> I would not normally mention Germans in this context, but having German +</I>><i> relatives, they have told me that it is well-known in Germany that we +</I>><i> English say many things that we do not mean and this causes some +</I>><i> communication problems, but most importantly, that because of this the +</I>><i> English cannot be trusted. Of course, we think we are just being polite. ;-) +</I> +I don't know where your relatives are living but I haven't heard that +in all my life. :) Of course you should not visit with somebody just +because he said something like "You must visit us over the weekend +soon!" - or wait in front of the phone because somebody said he/she +will call you one of these days. All these are empty gestures while +socializing. I experienced that English people can be very straight +with saying "no". :) + +But (again) I think that we should differ between such gestures and +social interaction amd real questions like "will you do a re-packaging +of foo?". In such questions there is no room for politeness, it asks +for a straight "yes" or "no". + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008210.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8212">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8212">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8212">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8212">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008213.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008213.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..42016ee32 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008213.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Back%20from%20LSM&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFFEA63.1000807%40tuxette.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008192.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008265.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM</H1> + <B>Marianne Lombard</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Back%20from%20LSM&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFFEA63.1000807%40tuxette.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM">marianne at tuxette.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 11:29:07 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008192.html">[Mageia-discuss] LWN and Mageia +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008265.html">[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM (RMLL) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8213">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8213">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8213">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8213">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, + +Me (and a few others) are back from LSM (<A HREF="http://2012.rmll.info/en">http://2012.rmll.info/en</A>). It +took place this year in Geneva (Switzerland). +We had very nice neighbourgs (debian and haiku) +I would like to thanks all the people who were present on the booth, +especially Grenoya, who did a amazing job. +Thanks too for everyone who stop to discuss about the Mageia project. We +all have really appreciate discussions and debates. + +I hope we will be more and more volunteers next years for the 2013 LSM. + +My 2 cents + +Jehane +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008192.html">[Mageia-discuss] LWN and Mageia +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008265.html">[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM (RMLL) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8213">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8213">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8213">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8213">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008214.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008214.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f4b5224b1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008214.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFFF69F.4020209%40kde.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008211.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008219.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Anne Wilson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFFF69F.4020209%40kde.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">annew at kde.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 12:21:19 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008211.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008219.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8214">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8214">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8214">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8214">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +Hash: SHA1 + +On 13/07/12 08:08, Doug Laidlaw wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> Nowadays, even a local community is multicultural. Here, my +</I>><i> brother kept using the phrase "spot the Aussie." That didn't mean +</I>><i> Aboriginals, but white descendants of the British settlers. In +</I>><i> London even, there doesn't seem to be an "English" face. If you +</I>><i> can get on well with your neighbours, you are half-way there. +</I>><i> +</I>The problem is, perhaps, with the other half. If we get on well with +our neighbours there is a natural tendency to treat them exactly as we +expect to be treated, which may not equate to their expectations :-) + +Interesting conversation. I know tht Marja was commenting precisely +on our interactions within the community and regarding work here, but +it's always good to hear about other communities. + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? 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Solbu wrote: +><i> On Friday 13 July 2012 01:35, Frank Griffin wrote: +</I>>><i> I think you're missing the point. +</I>><i> As did you. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And yes, this is something that I really have strong opinions about. ;-)= +</I>><i> +</I>No, I "get" that you have strong enough opinions about it to have +concocted "Philadelphia Lawyer" workarounds that meet your ethical +criteria. Although I have to say that the behaviors you describe would +make you as difficult to work with as the examples Marja gave. + +All I'm saying is that there are cultures that don't share your views. +What seems absolutely unworkable to you works for them because they have +an implicit understanding of what a person will or will not do, and do +not rely as heavily on the formal bonds of contract. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008201.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008247.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8215">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8215">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8215">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8215">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008216.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008216.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7f686544f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008216.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFFF9BF.4040003%40kde.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008242.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008195.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Anne Wilson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFFF9BF.4040003%40kde.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">annew at kde.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 12:34:39 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008195.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8216">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8216">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8216">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8216">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +Hash: SHA1 + +On 12/07/12 21:28, Marja van Waes wrote: +><i> When things are going bad, and you meet someone you don't like and +</I>><i> he asks you "how do you do", what do you answer? +</I> +Some months ago I listened to a radio discussion regarding a +scientific paper that stated that studies prove the society cannot +thrive without lying. My first reaction was disbelief, until I +thought about how many times we lie to spare the feelings of someone, +or simply to avoid discussion of a painful subject. It does come as +something of a shock when you think of yourself as a truthful person, +but you are right, we lie more often than we like to think :-) + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? 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When they say "yes" they really mean "I understand the +</I>><i> request you are making", not "I am committing to doing it". +</I> +Others have said that face-to-face negotiations with women are +difficult, because when you discuss something, a man nods to mean that +he agrees with you, but a woman nods to mean that she has understood +what you are saying - not the same thing at all. + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? 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Solbu wrote: +><i> On Friday 13 July 2012 04:47, andre999 wrote: +</I>>><i> Don't forget that often people will say yes because they would +</I>>><i> like to do something, without seriously considering the various +</I>>><i> demands on their time. They think it is a good idea, and they +</I>>><i> want to contribute. (I tend to be somewhat like that.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That is completely different from what sparked this discussion. +</I>><i> There is a big difference in accepting a job with the intent to do +</I>><i> it, and later on finding that you can't do it, and accepting it +</I>><i> just because one have problems saying "No", with no intent of doing +</I>><i> it. It is the latter I have talked about. +</I>><i> +</I>The way you are raised is a very powerful influence. I empathised +entirely with Marja's explanation of how it all went wrong for her. I +too was brought up with an over-developed sense of duty and believing +that I should not say "No". I'm 72, and still find it difficult to do. + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? 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Wondering how people yould +</I>><i> manage their daily lives when they don't want to use a clear negative +</I>><i> answer to a question where "yes" and "no" would cause different +</I>><i> consequences. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marjy, if I'd ask you "Would it be ok when I come visiting next week?" +</I>><i> I need a valid answer because if you say "yes" I will buy a ticket and +</I>><i> hop on the train next monday. And I'd be very surprised if I will +</I>><i> knock on your door and you are not there because you said "yes" just +</I>><i> out of being polite. +</I>><i> +</I> +No fear. You're welcome, the guest room is free and the owner of this +house agrees. +However, I might be gone for up to 30 hrs next week, because I might +have to accompany an elderly relative to hospital. You won't feel lost +then, there are a lot of nice people living in this area ;) + +><i>I still don't think it is rude to reply "no" where +</I>><i> "no" is the correct answer. Actually I find it quite rude to give the +</I>><i> other the impression of being ready to do something while I have not +</I>><i> the slightest intention to really do it. +</I> +What I was trying to get across, is that learning that saying "no" is +not evil, can take very many years. If you are raised in such a culture, +it means you are programmed that way. You can't reboot yourself and boot +into the "it is OK to say "no"" mode. + +It took me very many years (it was a gradual process) to really learn it. + +I don't see how someone else could achieve this in a split second. + +It can even be worse, I know of a Chinese woman (a very bright one, +besides that: she has studied in the West and speaks English very well) +who works in the IT and who went to great lengths to do something her +mentor told her to do (that is what she thought, in spite of all the +time she had spent in the West and in spite of all the time she had +already been working for a Western company) what he never asked of her +(in his western mind). + +But I'll put that in another thread, that is another cultural difference + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008214.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8219">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8219">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8219">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8219">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008220.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008220.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b751811df --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008220.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Weather Display + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Weather%20Display&In-Reply-To=%3Cjtp19m%244cg%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008265.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008232.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display</H1> + <B>Flipper</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Weather%20Display&In-Reply-To=%3Cjtp19m%244cg%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display">paul.pygeon at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 13:37:26 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008265.html">[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM (RMLL) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8220">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8220">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8220">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8220">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, + +First, english is not my native language. So if you don't understand +what I try to say, excuse me. + +I use Weather Display with my weather station but when I start it from +Mageia 2, it stop to load and nothing happen after. I've tried a fresh +install of WD with no success. Under Mandriva 2011 WD works well. + +I've start WD with console but no warning message appear, console just +stop to display messages. Last message is about Qt-gtk theme. + +If someone can help, I very appreciate. + +Bye + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008265.html">[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM (RMLL) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8220">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8220">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8220">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8220">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008221.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008221.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8357c7602 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008221.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Reusing%20ancient%20names%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201207130812.00577.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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And I'd be very surprised if I will +</I>>><i> knock on your door and you are not there because you said "yes" just +</I>>><i> out of being polite. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No fear. You're welcome, the guest room is free and the owner of this house +</I>><i> agrees. +</I> +You know that I can't visit in reality - this was meant as example how +things can take a real bad turn if "yes" and "no" are not used in +their true meaning. + +I have heard and can understand that "no" is circumvented in a culture +where everybody tries to "keep his/her face", but I never heard about +somebody say "yes" just because "no" would be rude behavior. This +could even have dangerous consequences. So I assume this habit to +avoid "no" is only a habit in social interaction. In real life +situations where you need clear and unmisunderstanable words you can't +start interpreting a "no" for what it could mean at that moment. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008219.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8224">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8224">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8224">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8224">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008225.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008225.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..41047ae78 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008225.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? 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+ +Oliver +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8225">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8225">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8225">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8225">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008226.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008226.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..51391208b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008226.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C0ug5d9-7hj.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008203.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008144.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug</H1> + <B>blind Pete</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C0ug5d9-7hj.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug">0123peter at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 14:29:19 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008203.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008144.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8226">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8226">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8226">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8226">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>andre999 wrote: + +><i> andre999 a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> correction : +</I>>><i> It might be because you had your "extended" partition at the beginning +</I>>><i> of the disk, and MBR disk partitions are numbered with the "primary" +</I>>><i> partions 1-4 and "extended" 5+. +</I> +The Ubuntu installer thinks that there should be a reserved BIOS +boot area of at least 1 MB for Grub. Not that that should be +necessary if Grub is going into a root partition. + +>><i> Gdisk would normally number in disk order, but I'm not sure because I +</I>>><i> have always numbered in disk order with the "extended" partition at +</I>>><i> the end of the disk. With gdisk it is easy to extend an +</I>><i> I meant "With gparted it is easy to extend an ... +</I>><i> (obviously not gdisk) +</I> +OK + +After conversion the mbr order is kept until you change it. + +>><i> extended partition to the end of disk with gparted (using a live cd +</I>>><i> such as systemrescueCD). +</I>>><i> You can easily check what partition ordering is with gdisk. (From +</I>>><i> systemrescueCD if necessary.) +</I>>><i> In any case, both grub and grub2 can get confused sometimes when +</I>>><i> partition numbering changes. +</I> +That is one of the reasons that I like LABELs. + +>><i> It is only necessary to go into rescue mode on boot (from any Mageia +</I>>><i> boot cd/dvd, or systemrescueCD), and invoke grub to find the +</I>>><i> designated boot partition. +</I>>><i> It gives you a grub prompt. grub has somewhat cryptic but useful help. +</I>>><i> (This may have changed under grub2, but I don't think so.) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Regards :) +</I>>><i> +</I> +-- +blind Pete +Sig goes here... + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008203.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008144.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8226">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8226">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8226">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8226">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008227.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008227.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..523e4009a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008227.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Reusing%20ancient%20names%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120713161520.62a8257d%40pitrou.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008225.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008233.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ?</H1> + <B>Antoine Pitrou</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Reusing%20ancient%20names%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120713161520.62a8257d%40pitrou.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ?">solipsis at pitrou.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 16:15:20 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8227">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8227">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8227">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8227">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:13:46 +0200 +Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>> +wrote: +><i> Am 13.07.2012 14:53, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: +</I>><i> > On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:12:00 -0400 +</I>><i> > "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati" +</I>><i> > <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> >> I have just been digging out my old Sinclair Z88 and its manuals. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Reading one titled "Z88 Magic" I was surprised to see the main body of the +</I>><i> >> book under the heading "The Cauldron", which starts with "The Cauldron is +</I>><i> >> where we will look at all the applications in detail". +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> This was written in 1989 ! +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Well, Cauldron is also the name of a well-known game on 8-bit computers. +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauldron_%28video_game%29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauldron_%28video_game%29</A> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> Well, cauldron is a word from the English dictionary, so what? +</I> +I'm confused by your question. This is just a conversation, why do you +think anything is implied? + +Regards + +Antoine. + + +-- +Software development and contracting: <A HREF="http://pro.pitrou.net">http://pro.pitrou.net</A> + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8227">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8227">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8227">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8227">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008228.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008228.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d3e0be557 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008228.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C5000488B.90407%40unige.ch%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Solbu: +><i> On Thursday 12 July 2012 22:28, Marja van Waes wrote: +</I>><i> > > The Right thing to do is to always mean what you're saying. If you +</I>><i> > > don't, you're a lier and can't be trusted.> +</I>><i> > When things are going bad, and you meet someone you don't like and he +</I>><i> > asks you "how do you do", what do you answer? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I tend to not answer the question, by saying something else which appears to +</I>><i> answer the question. So I'd say something like that I am fine. There is a +</I>><i> difference in me Doing fine, and me not Feeling fine. and I usually feel +</I>><i> fine, even thou things I do are not going fine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A better example, is something that I frequently did when it was needed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I sometimes have a friend over (let's call him Y) that sometimes doesn't +</I>><i> want to talk to X. Sometimes I used to get a phone from X ansking if I kow +</I>><i> where Y is. If Y didn't want to talk to X (which he'd declare before I +</I>><i> answered the phone), I'd often close my eyes or turn my back to Y and say +</I>><i> to X on the phone that I don't see him, or that I hadn't seen him in a +</I>><i> while. Sometimes I could say that I hadn't seen him since the last time I +</I>><i> saw him. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Both statements are true. With my back to him, I can't see him, hence I +</I>><i> didn't see him. And I didn't see him in a while, al thou a very /short/ +</I>><i> while. A few seconds is still a while. I mean, how long is a piece of +</I>><i> string? :-)= +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The trick is often to answer their exact question, and not what they want to +</I>><i> know. I learned this from a couple who are friends of the family, and which +</I>><i> does quite a bit of counceling. +</I> +you sound like a dishonest rude person :-) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008208.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8229">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8229">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8229">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8229">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008230.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008230.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fe277e919 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008230.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C201207132010.53253.cooker%40solbu.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008229.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008239.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C201207132010.53253.cooker%40solbu.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">cooker at solbu.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 20:10:50 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008239.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8230">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8230">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8230">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8230">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Friday 13 July 2012 20:00, AL13N wrote: +><i> you sound like a dishonest rude person :-) +</I> +Hehe. +I am an person who have leard a few ways to avoid answering without beeing rude, without the questioneer knowing while beeing truthfull in what I say. :-)= + +-- +Johnny A. 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They think it is a good idea, and they want to contribute. (I tend +</I>><i> >> to be somewhat like that.) +</I>><i> >> So it is not only people saying "yes" when they mean "no". +</I>><i> >> And once they have said "yes", like almost everyone, they find it more +</I>><i> >> difficult to say "no" later on. After all, they still think it is +</I>><i> >> something that should be done. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The more it is important that we all realize that we have to +</I>><i> communicate in clear words and a truthful attitude. If I offered to do +</I>><i> something and I find it either too time consuming or too difficult - I +</I>><i> do not wait until others are asking about the progress of the task, I +</I>><i> explain the situation and act likewise, I'm a grown-up and not in +</I>><i> first grade anymore. I actually did so when I discovered that I could +</I>><i> not contribute any more in the same way I used to, and because I did +</I>><i> all others involved were able to cope with the situation instead of +</I>><i> facing unwanted delays or worse. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If we all act up to our core values (where this situation is +</I>><i> explicitely mentioned!) it will be no big thing for anybody. +</I> +I agree with this, though, if we aren't exactly and clear whenever we can, or +be possible; things will go wrong. + +allthough I can understand all the examples in this thread, i would ask all of +us to be as clear as possible, really. and others maybe to ask to be sure that +people know what they could be agreeing to. + +When stuff goes wrong (i'm sure it will, if it hasn't already), just keep this +in mind. it might be this and not some direct rude way of attacking other +people. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008209.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008194.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8231">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8231">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8231">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8231">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008232.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008232.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5f701421f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008232.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Weather Display + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Weather%20Display&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJWAV%2BEHF1iQM61-k808em64mTMn713X69HW12AGgDYN5n2Hew%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008220.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008238.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display</H1> + <B>RICHARD WALKER</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Weather%20Display&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJWAV%2BEHF1iQM61-k808em64mTMn713X69HW12AGgDYN5n2Hew%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display">richard.j.walker at ntlworld.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 20:50:43 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8232">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8232">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8232">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8232">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i>From the Weather Display website at <A HREF="http://www.weather-display.com/index.php">http://www.weather-display.com/index.php</A> +</I> +"And it's only $70US for a lifetime registration!" + +Have you tried the publisher's support service? It looks like at least +they have a forum. + +Other than that, I'm afraid I cannot add anything. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8232">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8232">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8232">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8232">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008233.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008233.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b531e5c58 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008233.html @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%20direct%0A%09request&In-Reply-To=%3C500075E6.9070509%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008227.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008234.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%20direct%0A%09request&In-Reply-To=%3C500075E6.9070509%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 21:24:22 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8233">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8233">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8233">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8233">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>As said in the other Cultural difference thread, I'm putting this in a +new one. + +I know of a very bright Chinese woman who works in the IT, who went to +great lengths to do something she thought a colleague had asked her to +do, while he actually never asked her. + +What was the case? + +He (my brother Remi) has friends who adopted two Chinese girls. One of +the girls, Eline, was a foundling from Chongqing. She was very concerned +about her biological parents, always asking her adoptive mother, Wilma, +questions about them. + +Then Remi had to transfer work to Jocelyn. When he heard she came from +Chongqing, he told her about Eline. + +Jocelyn then said she'd try to find them. She did a tremendous job, she +contacted local media and even found a local television station that was +willing to broadcast the story about Eline at prime time. Later she put +up posters. Then she got help from a journalist who continued searching +and contacted her later, to tell her he though he'd found them. DNA +tests have proven he was right. + +Later when Eline's adoptive mother Wilma talked to Jocelyn, she was +amazed to hear that Jocelyn said that Remi had *asked* her to help find +the girl's parents, while Remi had always said that Jocelyn had +spontaneously *offered* her help. + +So Wilma inquired further. In fact, both told the same story: Remi had +told about Eline and Jocelyn had said she'd help find her Chinese parents. + +The only difference was in the interpretation: When Remi told about +Eline's wish to see her biological parents, Jocelyn interpreted that as +a request to go look for them, while for Remi it was just something he +told because of the coincidence that she came from the same region, +without expecting her to do anything. + +Wilma told us that in China it is normal to ask for things in an +indirect way. It is also what I read here: +<A HREF="http://www.chinainfo.nl/chpleaseE.html">http://www.chinainfo.nl/chpleaseE.html</A> +"When Chinese intend to ask a favor.........the most discrete, indirect +approach is used." + +For Eline the misunderstanding between Remi and Jocelyn turned out +really well, though. She is thriving a lot better since she met her +biological parents and stays in touch with them. :-D + +Oh, by the way: Jocelyn had studied in England, she knew the Western +culture. + +I don't know how long it would take me to learn to recognise indirect +requests or to ask for a favour in an indirect way, if I moved to China +today + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8233">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8233">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8233">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8233">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008234.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008234.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c2602dd5b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008234.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C500079DC.3000904%40gmx.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008233.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008236.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Goh Lip</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C500079DC.3000904%40gmx.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">lipg at gmx.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 21:41:16 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8234">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8234">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8234">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8234">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/14/2012 03:24 AM, Marja van Waes wrote: +><i> I know of a very bright Chinese woman ........... +</I>><i> ............................... +</I>><i> I don't know ........... if I moved to China today +</I> +While I appreciate your sincere attempt to point out cultural +differences, and there are, it must be noted that even within the same +cultural group there exists differences (as you can note from the +previous thread) in values, cultural or otherwise. + +It therefore seems necessary to remind ourselves not to generalize +traits as characteristics of a certain culture. + +Just my 2 drachmas. 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There are only problems when interacting +with people who don't give the same meaning to the word. + + + + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8235">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8235">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8235">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8235">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008236.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008236.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0c2167149 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008236.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C5000811A.2090601%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008234.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008237.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C5000811A.2090601%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 22:12:10 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8236">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8236">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8236">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8236">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 13/07/2012 21:41, Goh Lip wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> While I appreciate your sincere attempt to point out cultural +</I>><i> differences, and there are, it must be noted that even within the same +</I>><i> cultural group there exists differences (as you can note from the +</I>><i> previous thread) in values, cultural or otherwise. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It therefore seems necessary to remind ourselves not to generalize +</I>><i> traits as characteristics of a certain culture. +</I> +Thanks Goh Lip, you're right! +><i> +</I>><i> Just my 2 drachmas. Please proceed with discussion. ;) +</I>><i> +</I> + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8236">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8236">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8236">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8236">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008237.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008237.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cd7f7875a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008237.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C5000897A.8000301%40gmx.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008236.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008243.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Goh Lip</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C5000897A.8000301%40gmx.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">lipg at gmx.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 22:47:54 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8237">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8237">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8237">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8237">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/14/2012 03:24 AM, Marja van Waes wrote: +><i> The only difference was in the interpretation: +</I> +Precisely. What often passes as a cultural difference is usually only a +matter of interpretation; especially where differences in the +connotations of words of different languages are not apparent. To take a +mild example, 'welcome' (to express appreciation for thanks) would be +'du jour', 'bitte' etc, not 'bienvenu', 'willkommen' etc. + +So for a singular-language person, an interpretation from another +linguistically different culture may appear to be a cultural 'defect' +rather than just a misinterpretation of intentions, particularly where +metaphors or double entendre are used. And there is this matter of slang.... + +Anyway, it's quite an interesting subject to consider and discuss, and +if 'cooler heads can prevail'. + +my 2 cents, Cheers - Goh Lip + +-- +Das Wahre ist das Ganze. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8237">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8237">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8237">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8237">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008238.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008238.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c9b8fe2b9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008238.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Weather Display + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Weather%20Display&In-Reply-To=%3Cjtq7qa%24en1%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008232.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008221.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display</H1> + <B>Flipper</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Weather%20Display&In-Reply-To=%3Cjtq7qa%24en1%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display">paul.pygeon at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 00:34:50 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8238">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8238">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8238">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8238">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>RICHARD WALKER wrote: + +>><i>From the Weather Display website at +</I>>><i><A HREF="http://www.weather-display.com/index.php">http://www.weather-display.com/index.php</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "And it's only $70US for a lifetime registration!" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Have you tried the publisher's support service? It looks like at least +</I>><i> they have a forum. +</I> +Thank's for the advice but I've read many and many forum messages and +found nothing about this problem with Mageia. This problem never happen +with Mandrake 2010 and 2011. + +Bye + + + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8238">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8238">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8238">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8238">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008239.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008239.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..059a24aee --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008239.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3CCAPs2RNs7%3DfRz_aoh9DSzVQA7GAbhRhvdj0%2BNz3NUjAwF%3DDf6bw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008230.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008240.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>peter f miller</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3CCAPs2RNs7%3DfRz_aoh9DSzVQA7GAbhRhvdj0%2BNz3NUjAwF%3DDf6bw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">pfmiller at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 00:36:10 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8239">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8239">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8239">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8239">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Johnny A. Solbu <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cooker at solbu.net</A>> wrote: +><i> I am an person who have leard a few ways to avoid answering without beeing rude, without the questioneer knowing while beeing truthfull in what I say. :-)= +</I> +You're not really being as truthful as you seem to think. Part of the +definition of a lie is "something meant to deceive or give a wrong +impression". Regardless of whether or not what you are saying is +literally true, looking away from someone and saying you don't see +them is by your own admission something you are doing to give a wrong +impression and so it's a lie just the same. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8239">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8239">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8239">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8239">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008240.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008240.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e3b17046c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008240.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C5000B2F5.1050208%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008239.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008242.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%20%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C5000B2F5.1050208%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">andre999mga at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 01:44:53 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008239.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8240">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8240">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8240">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8240">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>peter f miller a écrit : +><i> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Johnny A. Solbu<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cooker at solbu.net</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> I am an person who have leard a few ways to avoid answering without beeing rude, without the questioneer knowing while beeing truthfull in what I say. :-)= +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> You're not really being as truthful as you seem to think. Part of the +</I>><i> definition of a lie is "something meant to deceive or give a wrong +</I>><i> impression". Regardless of whether or not what you are saying is +</I>><i> literally true, looking away from someone and saying you don't see +</I>><i> them is by your own admission something you are doing to give a wrong +</I>><i> impression and so it's a lie just the same. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Exactly. +And someone who, by good intentions or misinterpretation, seems to +promise something that they later don't follow through with, would in +fact not be lying. +It is intentionally misleading others that consistutes lying. + +Further, the expression "white lie" refers to misleading others for a +socially positive goal, such as saying that someone who is sensitive +about their weight is "not fat", or telling Khadafi's henchmen that you +did't know of any neighbours who opposed his regime (when they all did). + +Which contrasts with another approach that can be taken, diversion. +Someone asks if you have seen someone, and you respond with a question, +such as why they are looking for them. And further questions if +necessary so that they forget about their original question. +Of course that could be seen as dishonest as well, and possibly socially +positive depending on the circumstances. + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008239.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8240">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8240">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8240">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8240">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008241.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008241.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9b5cdf43c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008241.html @@ -0,0 +1,116 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] xen and grub + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20xen%20and%20grub&In-Reply-To=%3C5000E074.7040204%40whitby-jr.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008264.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008245.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub</H1> + <B>Jim Whitby</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20xen%20and%20grub&In-Reply-To=%3C5000E074.7040204%40whitby-jr.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub">jim at whitby-jr.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 04:59:00 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008264.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008245.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8241">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8241">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8241">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8241">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Trying to create a grub entry for zen. + +I have the following at present. + +title Xen 3.0 / XenLinux 2.6 +root (hd0,4) +kernel /boot/xen.gz dom0_mem=512000 +module /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.6-server-2.mga2 ro + +xen boots, but vmlinuz panics with ( as far as I can see ) +failure to mount unknown fs on 0,0 + +The fs is xfs, which shouldn't be the problem. Not sure what the 0,0 +refers to, xen or vmzinuz or ?. + +This is a mg2 x64 install. I was kinda surprised that a grub entry was +not created by installing xen. + +Anyway, does anyone have any advice on how to setup grub for xen? + +-- +Programmers used to batch environments may find it hard to live without +giant listings; we would find it hard to use them. + -- D.M. Ritchie +---------------------- +Mageia release 2 (Official) for x86_64 +3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2 x86_64 +---------------------- + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008264.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008245.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8241">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8241">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8241">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8241">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008242.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008242.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2ae00a1d2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008242.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C201207140531.42955.cooker%40solbu.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008240.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008216.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C201207140531.42955.cooker%40solbu.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">cooker at solbu.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 05:31:38 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8242">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8242">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8242">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8242">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Saturday 14 July 2012 00:36, peter f miller wrote: +><i> Part of the definition of a lie is "something meant to deceive or give a wrong +</I>><i> impression". +</I> +Exactly, which is why it is important to think about what one is saying. +In my example I actually answered their question. Perhaps they should ask me smarter questions. ;-)= + +-- +Johnny A. 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What often passes as a cultural difference is usually only a +</I>><i> matter of interpretation; especially where differences in the connotations +</I>><i> of words of different languages are not apparent. To take a mild example, +</I>><i> 'welcome' (to express appreciation for thanks) would be 'du jour', 'bitte' +</I>><i> etc, not 'bienvenu', 'willkommen' etc. +</I> +Actually the phrase is "You are welcome". This one is a good example +of something called "synonym". An expression which translates into +several different meanings, depending on the context. I learned +English in school and right from the start I also learned that there +are such synonyms in all languages. This is the main reason why such +things like Google translator more often than not make really big +mistakes. And it is the reason why German translations from English +often need a lot more words than the original text (I've been +experiencing that ever since I started to translate documents). + +"You are welcome" can be the reply to a "Thank you" or a greeting when +you enter a house. It can also mean that your participation in a group +or project is wanted and/or appreciated by other people in the group +or project. This is one of the most known synonyms. There other (more +local) expressions to reply to "Thank you", like "No sweat!" which +means "it is/was not a big thing to help". + +It is quite normal to hit misunderstandings because somebody uses such +a synonym, most of us are not learned translators. The more important +is it to refrain from using too many of those and rather use a clear +and precise phrasing of what we want to say. + +The essence of translating is to interpret the English language we are +using here in the meaning of the English language, not in the direct +translation of words (which could lead to wrong or sometimes very +funny translations, like "It's raining cats and dogs", an English +phrase for heavy rain). Or in other words: Sometimes we must interpret +meanings, not words. So, if somebody writes "yes" or "no" then the +meaning is "yes" or "no". Not the "yes" or "no" of your local language +but the "yes" and "no" as used in the English culture. Otherwise we +will run into misunderstandings or even conflicts all the time. + +(I'm sure that this could have been said in much less words - but as +the majority of us I am not a native speaker of English!) + +-- +wobo +. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8243">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8243">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8243">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8243">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008244.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008244.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..655ac23f4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008244.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C5000FFAE.6060506%40gmx.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008243.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008251.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Goh Lip</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C5000FFAE.6060506%40gmx.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">lipg at gmx.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 07:12:14 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008251.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8244">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8244">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8244">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8244">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/14/2012 12:43 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> The essence of translating is to interpret the English language we are +</I>><i> using here in the meaning of the English language, not in the direct +</I>><i> translation of words (which could lead to wrong or sometimes very +</I>><i> funny translations, like "It's raining cats and dogs", an English +</I>><i> phrase for heavy rain). Or in other words: Sometimes we must interpret +</I>><i> meanings, not words. So, if somebody writes "yes" or "no" then the +</I>><i> meaning is "yes" or "no". Not the "yes" or "no" of your local language +</I>><i> but the "yes" and "no" as used in the English culture. Otherwise we +</I>><i> will run into misunderstandings or even conflicts all the time. +</I> +Nicely put (in English :) ). + + +><i> (I'm sure that this could have been said in much less words - but as +</I>><i> the majority of us I am not a native speaker of English!) +</I> +Neither am I. + +Grube - Goh Lip +-- +天下乌鸦一样黑 +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008251.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8244">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8244">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8244">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8244">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008245.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008245.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..810894ac4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008245.html @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] xen and grub + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20xen%20and%20grub&In-Reply-To=%3C1667800.jyGIY9yFxj%40localhost%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008241.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008246.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub</H1> + <B>AL13N</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20xen%20and%20grub&In-Reply-To=%3C1667800.jyGIY9yFxj%40localhost%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub">alien at rmail.be + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 07:15:42 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008241.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008246.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8245">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8245">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8245">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8245">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op vrijdag 13 juli 2012 22:59:00 schreef Jim Whitby: +><i> Trying to create a grub entry for zen. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have the following at present. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> title Xen 3.0 / XenLinux 2.6 +</I>><i> root (hd0,4) +</I>><i> kernel /boot/xen.gz dom0_mem=512000 +</I>><i> module /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.6-server-2.mga2 ro +</I>><i> +</I>><i> xen boots, but vmlinuz panics with ( as far as I can see ) +</I>><i> failure to mount unknown fs on 0,0 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The fs is xfs, which shouldn't be the problem. Not sure what the 0,0 +</I>><i> refers to, xen or vmzinuz or ?. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is a mg2 x64 install. I was kinda surprised that a grub entry was +</I>><i> not created by installing xen. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Anyway, does anyone have any advice on how to setup grub for xen? +</I> +We lacked testing for xen, i tried do do some testing, but it's not easy. + +when creating the grub entry, try to copy the kernel parameters into the +module section for vmlinuz. + +and furthermore, you'll have to have a second module section for the initrd. + +We would love if you'd be able to help us out on xen testing, can you join QA +team for this? so that for pre-releases, you can test out Xen support? or +perhaps you can join packaging team, and try to do something about creating a +default grub entry. alas, i don't think such a thing is easy, and don't know +in what way to do this. + +also, is 512MB enough for dom0, if dom0 is used as backend storage? i thought +dom0 required some memory for file caching? + +also, with systemd, we'll have to convert the init scripts, but luckily, we +won't be needing xend (since the new xl implementation doesn't require it) + +thanks in advance. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008241.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008246.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8245">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8245">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8245">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8245">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008246.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008246.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b44991cde --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008246.html @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] xen and grub + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20xen%20and%20grub&In-Reply-To=%3C500111B0.2050806%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008245.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008249.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20xen%20and%20grub&In-Reply-To=%3C500111B0.2050806%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub">andre999mga at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 08:29:04 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008245.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008249.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8246">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8246">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8246">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8246">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Jim Whitby a écrit : +><i> Trying to create a grub entry for zen. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have the following at present. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> title Xen 3.0 / XenLinux 2.6 +</I>><i> root (hd0,4) +</I>><i> kernel /boot/xen.gz dom0_mem=512000 +</I>><i> module /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.6-server-2.mga2 ro +</I>><i> +</I>><i> xen boots, but vmlinuz panics with ( as far as I can see ) +</I>><i> failure to mount unknown fs on 0,0 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The fs is xfs, which shouldn't be the problem. Not sure what the 0,0 +</I>><i> refers to, xen or vmzinuz or ?. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is a mg2 x64 install. I was kinda surprised that a grub entry was +</I>><i> not created by installing xen. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Anyway, does anyone have any advice on how to setup grub for xen? +</I>><i> +</I>grub looks for vmlinuz and the kernel in /boot in the same partition. +your grub is configured to boot to (0,4) which is sda5 +(0,0) would be the first partition of the first disk, or sda1. +So some wild guesses : +- check that /boot is on sda5 +- check that there is a formatted partition on sda1 +- assuming that you are using a typical MBR- partitioned disk, sda5 +would be in an extended partition. It may be that xfs has problems +booting to extended partitions. +- maybe the dom0 means that it expects to put a file on the first +partition, sda1. +Is this partition big enough ? Or is 512k big enough ? Does it have +the right partition type ? + +These are all wild guesses, as I'm not at familiar with Xen. + +As Al13n says, we'd really appreciate you joining QA to test Xen for QA. +Or the packaging team to package Xen. + +Regards :) + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008245.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008249.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8246">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8246">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8246">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8246">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008247.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008247.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c2183e35a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008247.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3Cjsi7d9-2ip.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008215.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008217.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>blind Pete</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3Cjsi7d9-2ip.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">0123peter at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 09:14:59 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008217.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8247">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8247">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8247">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8247">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Johnny A. Solbu wrote: + +><i> On Friday 13 July 2012 01:35, Frank Griffin wrote: +</I>>><i> I think you're missing the point. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As did you. I gave a few example on how to avoid to lie, and be thuthfull +</I>><i> at the same time. There is a difference in not telling what they wan't to +</I>><i> hear, and lying just to avoid problems. Besides, telling the truth does +</I>><i> not mean that you should tell the whole truth. There's a difference. :-)= +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> In some cultures, not giving offense trumps telling the truth. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Which does not defend lying. I really cannot envision a situation where +</I>><i> outright lying is prefered over telling the truth or just shutting up. +</I> +Have you seen the movie, "Terminator"? When Arnold points a gun at +you and asks if you are Sarah Connor say "No", even if your name is +Sarah Connor. Personally I try to stay away from that sort of robot. + +><i> If +</I>><i> the truth is to much in a situation, then suck it up and shutup. If you're +</I>><i> not saying anything, you can't be lying. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There's another way to answer if someone ask if you would do something. +</I>><i> You can say "Yes, I can do that". By that statement you're simply saying +</I>><i> that you /can do it, you didn't say that you Would do it. I did that with +</I>><i> my late grandma, which often asked me to do things that I really didn't +</I>><i> want to do, and I didn't want to tell her that I hoped to avoid it. The +</I>><i> trick is how you say it, which is what lawyers have discovered. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And yes, this is something that I really have strong opinions about. ;-)= +</I>><i> +</I> +-- +blind Pete +Sig goes here... + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008217.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8247">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8247">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8247">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8247">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008248.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008248.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..48a955337 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008248.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C3ci7d9-93n.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008223.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008250.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>blind Pete</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%20yes%22%0A%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C3ci7d9-93n.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">0123peter at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 09:06:10 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8248">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8248">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8248">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8248">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Frank Griffin wrote: + +><i> On 07/12/2012 06:01 PM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote: +</I>>><i> I tend to not answer the question, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think you're missing the point. In some cultures, not giving offense +</I>><i> trumps telling the truth. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I've found this to be the case in the past with the Japanese on IT +</I>><i> matters. When they say "yes" they really mean "I understand the request +</I>><i> you are making", not "I am committing to doing it". They expect you to +</I>><i> know that what you are asking is (in their view) unreasonable. +</I> +Think of it as a translation problem. They don't have words +for, "you", "library", "book shop", or "yes". Their nearest +equvalents are roughly back translated as, "dear", "book place", +"book place" (again), and "I understand the request you are making". + +Good translations are very difficult. + +><i> It's the same with the Northern Irish kids (and probably the +</I>><i> British,since it's the same school system model). They'll agree to do +</I>><i> things they have no intention of doing because you just should have +</I>><i> known that nobody would do that regardless of what they promised you. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Like I said,culture. +</I> +-- +blind Pete +Sig goes here... + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8248">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8248">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8248">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8248">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008249.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008249.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..aceb30e05 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008249.html @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] xen and grub + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20xen%20and%20grub&In-Reply-To=%3C50012C71.2050008%40whitby-jr.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008246.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008252.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub</H1> + <B>Jim Whitby</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20xen%20and%20grub&In-Reply-To=%3C50012C71.2050008%40whitby-jr.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub">jim at whitby-jr.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 10:23:13 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008246.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008252.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8249">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8249">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8249">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8249">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/14/2012 02:29 AM, andre999 wrote: +<snip> +><i> +</I>><i> As Al13n says, we'd really appreciate you joining QA to test Xen for QA. +</I>><i> Or the packaging team to package Xen. +</I>If I can get enough info to make it run. +I'd be happy to join QA for xen. + +If I can install/run it. *Anyone* can. + +I'm not a programmer and have no interest in becoming one. + + +><i> +</I>><i> Regards :) +</I>><i> +</I>I did find an answer to my original problem. +I found a how-to for centos6.2 which was a big help figuring out the +grub entry. + +The grub entry should look like this: + +title Xen 3.0 / XenLinux 2.6 +kernel (hd0,4)/boot/xen.gz dom0_mem=1024M +module (hd0,4)/boot/vmlinuz +root=UUID=454ead11-1953-4c3e-918b-b5d0f1bceb17 splash quiet nokmsboot +module (hd0,4)/boot/initrd.img + + +Which is a modified mg2 entry. +The above will allow xen to boot. + +I also figured out I need to make the xen* init scripts active! + +Having done that. I had a system that would boot in about 35 minutes. + +Needless to say, without *much* more info on what needs doing, I removed +all of it. +Possibly the network configuration is partly at fault ( well, I'm sure +it is, I just don't know for sure what to do about it ). + +I looked at the centos stuff, but not sure how much is applicable on mg2. + +Jim + + +-- +Programmers used to batch environments may find it hard to live without +giant listings; we would find it hard to use them. + -- D.M. 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Solbu wrote: +</I>>>><i> I tend to not answer the question, +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I think you're missing the point. In some cultures, not giving offense +</I>>><i> trumps telling the truth. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I've found this to be the case in the past with the Japanese on IT +</I>>><i> matters. When they say "yes" they really mean "I understand the request +</I>>><i> you are making", not "I am committing to doing it". They expect you to +</I>>><i> know that what you are asking is (in their view) unreasonable. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Think of it as a translation problem. They don't have words +</I>><i> for, "you", "library", "book shop", or "yes". Their nearest +</I>><i> equvalents are roughly back translated as, "dear", "book place", +</I>><i> "book place" (again), and "I understand the request you are making". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Good translations are very difficult. +</I> +Thanks Pete! + +When I started this thread, I asked: + + "How do we cope with such differences within our community?" + +Thinking of it as a translation problem is the best I've heard so far :-) + + +><i> +</I>>><i> It's the same with the Northern Irish kids (and probably the +</I>>><i> British,since it's the same school system model). They'll agree to do +</I>>><i> things they have no intention of doing because you just should have +</I>>><i> known that nobody would do that regardless of what they promised you. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Like I said,culture. +</I>><i> +</I> +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008208.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8250">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8250">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8250">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8250">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008251.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008251.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..777a3c304 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008251.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C500130FA.4000107%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008244.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008253.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C500130FA.4000107%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 10:42:34 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008253.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8251">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8251">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8251">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8251">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 14/07/2012 07:12, Goh Lip wrote: +><i> On 07/14/2012 12:43 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I> +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> (I'm sure that this could have been said in much less words - but as +</I>>><i> the majority of us I am not a native speaker of English!) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Neither am I. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Grube - Goh Lip +</I> +Do you mean"Grüße"? + +It seems your keyboard doesn't allow you to make the ü or the ß + +AFAIK, a "Grube" is a mine ;) +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008253.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8251">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8251">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8251">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8251">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008252.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008252.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ac6915247 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008252.html @@ -0,0 +1,140 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] xen and grub + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20xen%20and%20grub&In-Reply-To=%3C4076103.V2EJFI1Zuj%40localhost%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008249.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008270.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub</H1> + <B>AL13N</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20xen%20and%20grub&In-Reply-To=%3C4076103.V2EJFI1Zuj%40localhost%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub">alien at rmail.be + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 10:49:35 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008249.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008270.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8252">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8252">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8252">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8252">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op zaterdag 14 juli 2012 04:23:13 schreef Jim Whitby: +><i> On 07/14/2012 02:29 AM, andre999 wrote: +</I>><i> <snip> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > As Al13n says, we'd really appreciate you joining QA to test Xen for QA. +</I>><i> > Or the packaging team to package Xen. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If I can get enough info to make it run. +</I>><i> I'd be happy to join QA for xen. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If I can install/run it. *Anyone* can. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm not a programmer and have no interest in becoming one. +</I> +packagers are not programmers. but we do need some pre-release testing and xen +isn't that easy to test without the proper hardware for it. + +><i> > Regards :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I did find an answer to my original problem. +</I>><i> I found a how-to for centos6.2 which was a big help figuring out the +</I>><i> grub entry. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The grub entry should look like this: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> title Xen 3.0 / XenLinux 2.6 +</I>><i> kernel (hd0,4)/boot/xen.gz dom0_mem=1024M +</I>><i> module (hd0,4)/boot/vmlinuz +</I>><i> root=UUID=454ead11-1953-4c3e-918b-b5d0f1bceb17 splash quiet nokmsboot +</I>><i> module (hd0,4)/boot/initrd.img +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Which is a modified mg2 entry. +</I>><i> The above will allow xen to boot. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I also figured out I need to make the xen* init scripts active! +</I> +iirc, not all init scripts need to be started. xend is not one that is needed. + +><i> Having done that. I had a system that would boot in about 35 minutes. +</I> +that's way too long, since we're now using systemd, would it be possible to +install bootchart and reconfigure with dracut your initrd, to find out why it's +taking so long to boot? + +><i> Needless to say, without *much* more info on what needs doing, I removed +</I>><i> all of it. +</I>><i> Possibly the network configuration is partly at fault ( well, I'm sure +</I>><i> it is, I just don't know for sure what to do about it ). +</I> +the new xen should rely on a bridge being made in the system config (i think) + +><i> I looked at the centos stuff, but not sure how much is applicable on mg2. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Jim +</I> +I know a bit about it, but i haven't been able to test it much. 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I mean "Grüße". + +><i> It seems your keyboard doesn't allow you to make the ü or the ß +</I>><i> +</I> +Correct again. It is US keyboard. + +><i> AFAIK, a "Grube" is a mine ;) +</I> +Mine? As in "bomb" mine or "my things" mine? :) + + +Prost (hopefully this is right) - Goh Lip + +-- +Why do we live? To prove that not everything in nature has a purpose. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008251.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008255.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8253">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8253">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8253">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8253">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008254.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008254.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f321c7667 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008254.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4r8TMMU6B7GZ9VVsG4KDfmi1t%2BzJjrQVa4OsJaGC-yyg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008261.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008262.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4r8TMMU6B7GZ9VVsG4KDfmi1t%2BzJjrQVa4OsJaGC-yyg%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 11:04:50 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008261.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008262.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8254">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8254">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8254">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8254">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/7/14 Marja van Waes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> AFAIK, a "Grube" is a mine ;) +</I> +A good example of what I wrote earlier in this thread ("translating +the meaning, not the word"). + +A "Grube" can be a coal mine or any other sort of mine. It also can be +a small hole in the ground. A very old German children song is named +"Häschen in der Grube" ("Little bunny in the den"). Translating +"Grube" with "mine" in this context would be a totally different thing +:<i>) +</I> +dict.leo.org lists 19 english words which all translate to "Grube" in German. + +alveola [zool.] +cavern +cavity +coal-mine +colliery +concave bank [geol.] +den +depression +dump - waste disposal site +eroding bank [geol.] +erosion bank [geol.] +exterior bank [geol.] +external bank [geol.] +fosse +fovea - small depression or pit [anat.][biol.][zool.] +groove [med.] +lacuna - pl. lacunae, lacunas +mine [tech.] +outer bank - it has its centre of curvature toward the channel [geol.] + +:<i>) +</I> +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008261.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008262.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8254">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8254">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8254">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8254">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008255.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008255.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6384714f4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008255.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C500137D8.9020900%40aon.at%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008253.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008257.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Norbert Marchl</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C500137D8.9020900%40aon.at%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">norbert.marchl at aon.at + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 11:11:52 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008253.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8255">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8255">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8255">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8255">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am 2012-07-14 11:02, schrieb Goh Lip: +><i> On 07/14/2012 04:42 PM, Marja van Waes wrote: +</I>>><i> Do you mean"Grüße"? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Yes. I mean "Grüße". +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> It seems your keyboard doesn't allow you to make the ü or the ß +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Correct again. It is US keyboard. +</I>><i> +</I>But you can use "ue" for "ü", "oe" for "ö" "ae" for "ä" and "ss" for "ß" +>><i> AFAIK, a "Grube" is a mine ;) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mine? As in "bomb" mine or "my things" mine? :) +</I>><i> +</I>more as a "cavern", "coal-mine", like a big or small dent in the ground. +I hope its understandable +><i> +</I>><i> Prost (hopefully this is right) - Goh Lip +</I>><i> +</I>When you mean cheers, yeah + +Norbert +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008253.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8255">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8255">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8255">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8255">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008256.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008256.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bb460be05 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008256.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C50013880.20301%40gmx.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008278.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008266.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Goh Lip</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C50013880.20301%40gmx.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">lipg at gmx.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 11:14:40 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008278.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008266.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8256">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8256">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8256">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8256">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/14/2012 12:43 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> Actually the phrase is "You are welcome". This one is a good example +</I>><i> of something called "synonym". +</I> +Actually, a "synonym" means another word with the same meaning. +Like 'good' is a synonym of 'nice'. +A "double entendre" means that word has double meaning. +Like "welcome" can mean "welcome to my house" or "appreciate your thanks". + +><i> Or in other words: Sometimes we must interpret +</I>><i> meanings, not words. +</I> +But I know your "meaning", not the "words" you use. :) + +Regards - Goh Lip + +-- +True words are not beautiful +Beautiful words are not true. + - - I Ching +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008278.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008266.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8256">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8256">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8256">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8256">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008257.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008257.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8e12d82df --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008257.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C500139EE.3090303%40gmx.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008255.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008258.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Goh Lip</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C500139EE.3090303%40gmx.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">lipg at gmx.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 11:20:46 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008255.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8257">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8257">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8257">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8257">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/14/2012 05:11 PM, Norbert Marchl wrote: +>><i> Mine? As in "bomb" mine or "my things" mine? :) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> more as a "cavern", "coal-mine", like a big or small dent in the ground. +</I>><i> I hope its understandable +</I> +Yes, thanks. Learnt another word today, + + +>><i> +</I>>><i> Prost (hopefully this is right) - Goh Lip +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> When you mean cheers, yeah +</I> +Yes, beer in hand. + + +><i> +</I>><i> Norbert +</I> Thanks, Wolfgang too for the explanation. + +Regards - Goh Lip + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008255.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8257">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8257">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8257">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8257">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008258.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008258.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8b8800aea --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008258.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C50013C31.1010906%40aon.at%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008257.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008259.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Norbert Marchl</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C50013C31.1010906%40aon.at%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">norbert.marchl at aon.at + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 11:30:25 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008259.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8258">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8258">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8258">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8258">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am 2012-07-14 11:20, schrieb Goh Lip: +><i> On 07/14/2012 05:11 PM, Norbert Marchl wrote: +</I>>>><i> Mine? As in "bomb" mine or "my things" mine? :) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> more as a "cavern", "coal-mine", like a big or small dent in the ground. +</I>>><i> I hope its understandable +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, thanks. Learnt another word today, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Prost (hopefully this is right) - Goh Lip +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> When you mean cheers, yeah +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, beer in hand. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>How much, like in Austria (where I live) a half Liter, or like in +Bavaris "Eine Maß" , one Liter. But don't forget the Austrian beer is +stronger than the german (more alcohol) + +Norbert +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008259.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8258">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8258">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8258">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8258">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008259.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008259.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0c1a1653a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008259.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C50014025.7010907%40gmx.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008258.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008260.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Goh Lip</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C50014025.7010907%40gmx.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">lipg at gmx.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 11:47:17 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008260.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8259">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8259">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8259">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8259">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/14/2012 05:30 PM, Norbert Marchl wrote: +>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes, beer in hand. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> How much, like in Austria (where I live) a half Liter, or like in +</I>><i> Bavaris "Eine Maß" , one Liter. But don't forget the Austrian beer is +</I>><i> stronger than the german (more alcohol) +</I>><i> +</I> +At home, where I normally drink, a can is 330ml *only* :( +Yes, I remember the times I've been to Germany and loved the beers +there; usually made and sold only in the pubs. Alstadt (hopefully right +spelling) in Dussoldolf (okay english spelling) was great; been to Koln +(german spelling), Frankfurt, never to Bavaria, but Dussoldolf Alstadt +is great. + +Best beer? Beer Lao (from Laos, where else) and Myanmar Beer (okay, you +know where). Hard to find these outside the countries, hmmm...need to go +there again. ;) + + +Regards - Goh Lip +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008260.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8259">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8259">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8259">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8259">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008260.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008260.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5ac52f5f3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008260.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C500142A1.8050304%40aon.at%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008259.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008261.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Norbert Marchl</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C500142A1.8050304%40aon.at%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">norbert.marchl at aon.at + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 11:57:53 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008259.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008261.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8260">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8260">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8260">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8260">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am 2012-07-14 11:47, schrieb Goh Lip: +><i> On 07/14/2012 05:30 PM, Norbert Marchl wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Yes, beer in hand. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> How much, like in Austria (where I live) a half Liter, or like in +</I>>><i> Bavaris "Eine Maß" , one Liter. But don't forget the Austrian beer is +</I>>><i> stronger than the german (more alcohol) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> At home, where I normally drink, a can is 330ml *only* :( +</I>><i> Yes, I remember the times I've been to Germany and loved the beers +</I>><i> there; usually made and sold only in the pubs. Alstadt (hopefully +</I>><i> right spelling) in Dussoldolf (okay english spelling) was great; been +</I>><i> to Koln (german spelling), Frankfurt, never to Bavaria, but Dussoldolf +</I>><i> Alstadt is great. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Best beer? Beer Lao (from Laos, where else) and Myanmar Beer (okay, +</I>><i> you know where). Hard to find these outside the countries, hmmm...need +</I>><i> to go there again. ;) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards - Goh Lip +</I>><i> +</I>I can only speak about the best... it's "only a matter of taste" + +Norbert +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008259.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008261.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8260">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8260">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8260">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8260">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008261.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008261.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8f932ea60 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008261.html @@ -0,0 +1,64 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C5001442C.2040003%40gmx.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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It also can +</I>><i> be a small hole in the ground. A very old German children song is +</I>><i> named "Häschen in der Grube" ("Little bunny in the den"). +</I>><i> Translating "Grube" with "mine" in this context would be a totally +</I>><i> different thing :) +</I>><i> +</I>Would it really? Rabbits live in warrens, in the English, and warrens +are dug out, exactly like (coal) mines :-D + +><i> dict.leo.org lists 19 english words which all translate to "Grube" +</I>><i> in German. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> alveola [zool.] cavern cavity coal-mine colliery concave bank +</I>><i> [geol.] den depression dump - waste disposal site eroding bank +</I>><i> [geol.] erosion bank [geol.] exterior bank [geol.] external bank +</I>><i> [geol.] fosse fovea - small depression or pit +</I>><i> [anat.][biol.][zool.] groove [med.] lacuna - pl. lacunae, lacunas +</I>><i> mine [tech.] outer bank - it has its centre of curvature toward +</I>><i> the channel [geol.] +</I>><i> +</I>A German co-worker on KDE UserBase refers me to Leo all the time - a +very useful resource. + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? 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What often passes as a cultural difference is usually only a +</I>><i> matter of interpretation; especially where differences in the +</I>><i> connotations of words of different languages are not apparent. +</I> + +><i> So for a singular-language person, an interpretation from another +</I>><i> linguistically different culture may appear to be a cultural 'defect' +</I>><i> rather than just a misinterpretation of intentions, particularly where +</I>><i> metaphors or double entendre are used. And there is this matter of +</I>><i> slang.... +</I>><i> +</I> +Well, I'm starting to see that for the "indirect request versus direct +request" issue, treating it as a translation issue is maybe the best way +to handle it, too, just like with the yes/no issue. + +As a young girl my mum often took me to another lady, but she always +reminded me that when in her house, I wasn't allowed to say about any +object that I liked it. + +For that lady "What a beautiful vase!" meant "Are you willing to give me +that vase", and since she was used to giving presents to her guests when +they were leaving....... + +The best translation for "What a beautiful vase!" would maybe have been +"How beautiful, it looks like that vase was made for this room!" ? +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008269.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008264.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8263">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8263">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8263">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8263">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008264.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008264.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a94d52fd8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008264.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C50014945.3060505%40gmx.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008263.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008241.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Goh Lip</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C50014945.3060505%40gmx.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">lipg at gmx.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 12:26:13 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008263.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008241.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8264">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8264">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8264">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8264">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/14/2012 06:19 PM, Marja van Waes wrote: +><i> Well, I'm starting to see that for the "indirect request versus direct +</I>><i> request" issue, treating it as a translation issue is maybe the best way +</I>><i> to handle it, too, just like with the yes/no issue. +</I> +Hoorah! Yes! Yes! Yes! + +I was afraid it might slip into more dangerous territory (like instead +of culture, there is a religious element or hmmm a genetic .... :) ) +But just maybe.......ha ha, just kidding. + +Regards - Goh Lip + +-- +When you cease to seek happiness, you will find it. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008263.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008241.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8264">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8264">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8264">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8264">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008265.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008265.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..70f5469e5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008265.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM (RMLL) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Back%20from%20LSM%20%28RMLL%29&In-Reply-To=%3C5001DAFC.6090800%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008213.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008220.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM (RMLL)</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Back%20from%20LSM%20%28RMLL%29&In-Reply-To=%3C5001DAFC.6090800%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM (RMLL)">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 14 22:47:56 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008213.html">[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8265">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8265">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8265">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8265">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 13/07/2012 11:29, Marianne Lombard wrote: +><i> Hi, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Me (and a few others) are back from LSM (<A HREF="http://2012.rmll.info/en">http://2012.rmll.info/en</A>). It +</I>><i> took place this year in Geneva (Switzerland). +</I>><i> We had very nice neighbourgs (debian and haiku) +</I>><i> I would like to thanks all the people who were present on the booth, +</I>><i> especially Grenoya, who did a amazing job. +</I>><i> Thanks too for everyone who stop to discuss about the Mageia project. We +</I>><i> all have really appreciate discussions and debates. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I hope we will be more and more volunteers next years for the 2013 LSM. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My 2 cents +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Jehane +</I> +Thx Jehane. + +I first missed your message, because I had RMLL in my mind ;) + +You undoubtedly did an amazing job, too. Going to LSM (RMLL) in the +knowledge that only you and Grenoya had volunteered to take care of the +booth and its visitors, was very courageous! + + + + + + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008213.html">[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8265">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8265">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8265">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8265">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008266.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008266.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d424593ec --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008266.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%09direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C201207150202.15104.cooker%40solbu.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008256.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008267.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%09direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C201207150202.15104.cooker%40solbu.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">cooker at solbu.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 15 02:02:10 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008267.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8266">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8266">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8266">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8266">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Saturday 14 July 2012 06:43, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> It is quite normal to hit misunderstandings because somebody uses such +</I>><i> a synonym, most of us are not learned translators. +</I> +I remember attending a service in Norway, where an icelandic preacher who understood and spoke nowegian, prefered to preach in english in Norway to avoid problems with us understanding his meanings due to the fact that he's not fluent in our language. So he had an interpreter beside him on the stage who translated from english to norwegian, which is not as easy as it might sound. A few times the preacher interrupted the translator, saying: "No, that's not what I said". :-)= + + +-- +Johnny A. 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Solbu wrote: +><i> I remember attending a service in Norway, where an icelandic preacher who understood and spoke nowegian, prefered to preach in english in Norway to avoid problems with us understanding his meanings due to the fact that he's not fluent in our language. So he had an interpreter beside him on the stage who translated from english to norwegian, which is not as easy as it might sound. A few times the preacher interrupted the translator, saying: "No, that's not what I said". :-)= +</I> +Clever preacher. I too was wondering why when diplomats (who speak good +English) talk to other diplomats from English-speaking countries, they +need to speak in their native language and use interpreters; I used to +think they wanted the extra time (while interpreters do their jobs) to +carefully 'word out' their responses or/and speak their native language +just to demonstrate their nations' sovereignty; neither of these reasons +seems justifiable. + +Thanks for providing another perspective. + +Regards - Goh Lip + + + +-- +Speech is conveniently located midway between thought and action, where +it often substitutes for both. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008266.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008268.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8267">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8267">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8267">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8267">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008268.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008268.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..13169b6e5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008268.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5-_rLOtFGeuiJecLJBJgc%2B0EKmq5nFh-VzUmu%3DWw5XCQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008267.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008269.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5-_rLOtFGeuiJecLJBJgc%2B0EKmq5nFh-VzUmu%3DWw5XCQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 15 04:41:44 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008267.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008269.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8268">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8268">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8268">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8268">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/7/15 Goh Lip <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">lipg at gmx.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Clever preacher. I too was wondering why when diplomats (who speak good +</I>><i> English) talk to other diplomats from English-speaking countries, they need +</I>><i> to speak in their native language and use interpreters; I used to think they +</I>><i> wanted the extra time (while interpreters do their jobs) to carefully 'word +</I>><i> out' their responses or/and speak their native language just to demonstrate +</I>><i> their nations' sovereignty; neither of these reasons seems justifiable. +</I>><i> +</I> +A professional interpreter I know who often works in this field of +high level political talks (for the German government) explained it to +me: it is for both reasons, first giving the politcian the security of +having a professional translation (in case he overheard something), +second to have time to contemplate what the other one is really saying +between the lines and finding the right answer. But he also told me +that the important conversations are often held in private, without +any secretary or interpreter. :) + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008267.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008269.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8268">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8268">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8268">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8268">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008269.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008269.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ba7e1804d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008269.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C50022F31.9070004%40gmx.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008268.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008263.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Goh Lip</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C50022F31.9070004%40gmx.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">lipg at gmx.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 15 04:47:13 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008268.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008263.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8269">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8269">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8269">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8269">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/15/2012 10:41 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2012/7/15 Goh Lip<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">lipg at gmx.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Clever preacher. I too was wondering why when diplomats (who speak good +</I>>><i> English) talk to other diplomats from English-speaking countries, they need +</I>>><i> to speak in their native language and use interpreters; I used to think they +</I>>><i> wanted the extra time (while interpreters do their jobs) to carefully 'word +</I>>><i> out' their responses or/and speak their native language just to demonstrate +</I>>><i> their nations' sovereignty; neither of these reasons seems justifiable. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A professional interpreter I know who often works in this field of +</I>><i> high level political talks (for the German government) explained it to +</I>><i> me: it is for both reasons, first giving the politcian the security of +</I>><i> having a professional translation (in case he overheard something), +</I>><i> second to have time to contemplate what the other one is really saying +</I>><i> between the lines and finding the right answer. But he also told me +</I>><i> that the important conversations are often held in private, without +</I>><i> any secretary or interpreter. :) +</I>><i> +</I> +Good information, now I have better understanding. + +Cheers - Goh Lip + +-- +Wisdom is not communicable. The wisdom which a wise man tries to +communicate always sounds foolish... Knowledge can be communicated, but +not wisdom. + ~ Hermann Hesse +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008268.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008263.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8269">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8269">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8269">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8269">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008270.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008270.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c9af1841d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008270.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20One-Wire%20Home%20Temperature%20Network%20with%20Linux&In-Reply-To=%3Csig.254345c950.5002C20F.1090609%40drdos.info%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008252.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008271.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux</H1> + <B>Doug Lytle</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20One-Wire%20Home%20Temperature%20Network%20with%20Linux&In-Reply-To=%3Csig.254345c950.5002C20F.1090609%40drdos.info%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux">support at drdos.info + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 15 15:13:51 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008252.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008271.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8270">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8270">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8270">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8270">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I've just started to play with a 1 wire temperature sensor, under Mageia +1. I've been following a couple of blog on how to get things setup (1 & +2). + +I've installed the digitemp software (2) via urpmi and can actually see +the USB dongle (DS9490R) and my temp sensor (DS18B20). + +The problem being that when running the command digitemp_DS2490 -a -i +-q, it is supposed to write out it's configure file (.digitemprc) to the +profile directory, which for me running the command as root, should be +/root/.digitemprc, but it doesn't. + +Has anybody played around with temperature sensors under Mageia? If so, +were you able to get it to write out the file? + +Doug + +(1) +<A HREF="http://bitsup.blogspot.com/2008/11/one-wire-home-temperature-network-with.html">http://bitsup.blogspot.com/2008/11/one-wire-home-temperature-network-with.html</A> + +(2) <A HREF="http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddUSBOneWireAdapter">http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddUSBOneWireAdapter</A> +(3) <A HREF="http://digitemp.com">http://digitemp.com</A> + +-- +Ben Franklin quote: + +"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008252.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008271.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8270">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8270">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8270">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8270">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008271.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008271.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d2c4a41ce --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008271.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20One-Wire%20Home%20Temperature%20Network%20with%20Linux&In-Reply-To=%3C5002D1D2.30208%40unige.ch%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008270.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008272.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux</H1> + <B>Juergen Harms</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20One-Wire%20Home%20Temperature%20Network%20with%20Linux&In-Reply-To=%3C5002D1D2.30208%40unige.ch%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 15 16:21:06 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008270.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008272.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8271">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8271">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8271">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8271">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/15/2012 03:13 PM, Doug Lytle wrote: +><i> I've just started to play with a 1 wire temperature sensor, under Mageia +</I>><i> 1. I've been following a couple of blog on how to get things setup (1 & 2). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I've installed the digitemp software (2) via urpmi and can actually see +</I>><i> the USB dongle (DS9490R) and my temp sensor (DS18B20). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The problem being that when running the command digitemp_DS2490 -a -i +</I>><i> -q, it is supposed to write out it's configure file (.digitemprc) to the +</I>><i> profile directory, which for me running the command as root, should be +</I>><i> /root/.digitemprc, but it doesn't. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Has anybody played around with temperature sensors under Mageia? If so, +</I>><i> were you able to get it to write out the file? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Doug +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (1) +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://bitsup.blogspot.com/2008/11/one-wire-home-temperature-network-with.html">http://bitsup.blogspot.com/2008/11/one-wire-home-temperature-network-with.html</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (2) <A HREF="http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddUSBOneWireAdapter">http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddUSBOneWireAdapter</A> +</I>><i> (3) <A HREF="http://digitemp.com">http://digitemp.com</A> +</I>><i> +</I> +I have DS18B20 sensors running, but not on Mageia - my sensors are +connected to an AVR microprocessors (which is controlled by a C +programme, downloaded from my Mageia PC). + +I have doubts whether it is possible to reliably operate 1-wire devices +directly connected to a PC that is simultaneously used to do "ordinary +stuff": the 1-wire protocol has quite strict bit-timing requirements +(the pin on the I/O port on your PC which drives the 1-wire bus must +create pulses with well-defined lengths and intervals), not evident to +implement on a time-shared PC - could also have negative impact on non +real-time applications that run on the PC. You might need to more or +less dedicate your PC to run your 1-wire application. + +In case you cannot make it work directly on Mageia, the microprocessor +approach is certainly a valid (even better?) alternative since the +microprocessor can print the result to a serial port and hence to a PC. + +In case this approach is of interest to you, we should discuss this by +PM (no problem to let you have my hard- and software) + +Juergen +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008270.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008272.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8271">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8271">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8271">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8271">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008272.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008272.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c19672312 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008272.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20One-Wire%20Home%20Temperature%20Network%20with%20Linux&In-Reply-To=%3Csig.45430aef3d.5002E04F.7070608%40drdos.info%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008271.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008273.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux</H1> + <B>Doug Lytle</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20One-Wire%20Home%20Temperature%20Network%20with%20Linux&In-Reply-To=%3Csig.45430aef3d.5002E04F.7070608%40drdos.info%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux">support at drdos.info + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 15 17:22:55 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008271.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008273.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8272">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8272">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8272">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8272">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Juergen Harms wrote: +><i> In case this approach is of interest to you, we should discuss this by +</I>><i> PM (no problem to let you have my hard- and software) +</I> +Thank you for the offer Juergen, but at the moment, it's just a learning +project for me and goes beyond the scope. + +Once I've gotten a working setup, and have decided if I'd like to put it +into place, then it may be something worth pursuing. + +If you don't mind though, I'll keep your name in mind! + +Doug + + +-- +Ben Franklin quote: + +"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008271.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008273.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8272">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8272">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8272">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8272">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008273.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008273.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..af143d2de --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008273.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20One-Wire%20Home%20Temperature%20Network%20with%20Linux&In-Reply-To=%3C6431465.joz8N7Zta5%40localhost%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008272.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008276.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux</H1> + <B>AL13N</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20One-Wire%20Home%20Temperature%20Network%20with%20Linux&In-Reply-To=%3C6431465.joz8N7Zta5%40localhost%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux">alien at rmail.be + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 15 17:25:18 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008272.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008276.html">[Mageia-discuss] FrOSCon 2012 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8273">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8273">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8273">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8273">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op zondag 15 juli 2012 16:21:06 schreef Juergen Harms: +><i> On 07/15/2012 03:13 PM, Doug Lytle wrote: +</I>><i> > I've just started to play with a 1 wire temperature sensor, under Mageia +</I>><i> > 1. I've been following a couple of blog on how to get things setup (1 & +</I>><i> > 2). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I've installed the digitemp software (2) via urpmi and can actually see +</I>><i> > the USB dongle (DS9490R) and my temp sensor (DS18B20). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The problem being that when running the command digitemp_DS2490 -a -i +</I>><i> > -q, it is supposed to write out it's configure file (.digitemprc) to the +</I>><i> > profile directory, which for me running the command as root, should be +</I>><i> > /root/.digitemprc, but it doesn't. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Has anybody played around with temperature sensors under Mageia? If so, +</I>><i> > were you able to get it to write out the file? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Doug +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > (1) +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://bitsup.blogspot.com/2008/11/one-wire-home-temperature-network-with.">http://bitsup.blogspot.com/2008/11/one-wire-home-temperature-network-with.</A> +</I>><i> > html +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > (2) <A HREF="http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddUSBOneWireAdapter">http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddUSBOneWireAdapter</A> +</I>><i> > (3) <A HREF="http://digitemp.com">http://digitemp.com</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have DS18B20 sensors running, but not on Mageia - my sensors are +</I>><i> connected to an AVR microprocessors (which is controlled by a C +</I>><i> programme, downloaded from my Mageia PC). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have doubts whether it is possible to reliably operate 1-wire devices +</I>><i> directly connected to a PC that is simultaneously used to do "ordinary +</I>><i> stuff": the 1-wire protocol has quite strict bit-timing requirements +</I>><i> (the pin on the I/O port on your PC which drives the 1-wire bus must +</I>><i> create pulses with well-defined lengths and intervals), not evident to +</I>><i> implement on a time-shared PC - could also have negative impact on non +</I>><i> real-time applications that run on the PC. You might need to more or +</I>><i> less dedicate your PC to run your 1-wire application. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In case you cannot make it work directly on Mageia, the microprocessor +</I>><i> approach is certainly a valid (even better?) alternative since the +</I>><i> microprocessor can print the result to a serial port and hence to a PC. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In case this approach is of interest to you, we should discuss this by +</I>><i> PM (no problem to let you have my hard- and software) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Juergen +</I> +or you could make a pci-board (or usb device with it's internal clock and +send/recv queue, so it's all nicely timed... +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008272.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008276.html">[Mageia-discuss] FrOSCon 2012 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8273">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8273">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8273">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8273">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008274.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008274.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..91d4c9f68 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008274.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C5004048D.4090904%40arcor.de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008262.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008275.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Florian Hubold</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C5004048D.4090904%40arcor.de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">doktor5000 at arcor.de + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 16 14:09:49 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008262.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008275.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8274">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8274">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8274">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8274">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am 14.07.2012 12:09, schrieb Anne Wilson: +><i> On 14/07/12 10:04, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > dict.leo.org lists 19 english words which all translate to "Grube" +</I>><i> > in German. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > alveola [zool.] cavern cavity coal-mine colliery concave bank +</I>><i> > [geol.] den depression dump - waste disposal site eroding bank +</I>><i> > [geol.] erosion bank [geol.] exterior bank [geol.] external bank +</I>><i> > [geol.] fosse fovea - small depression or pit +</I>><i> > [anat.][biol.][zool.] groove [med.] lacuna - pl. lacunae, lacunas +</I>><i> > mine [tech.] outer bank - it has its centre of curvature toward +</I>><i> > the channel [geol.] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A German co-worker on KDE UserBase refers me to Leo all the time - a +</I>><i> very useful resource. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Anne +</I>><i> +</I>Don't trust Leo too much, just like wikipedia. Better +double-check this with another service like dict.cc, +as leo often has some mistakes, + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008262.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008275.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8274">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8274">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8274">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8274">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008275.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008275.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..25596a817 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008275.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4XGA4Zwk-gWd3SJ0b32rGdHmV%3DmNgZh1Mhk75bq%3Dh0-Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008274.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008278.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4XGA4Zwk-gWd3SJ0b32rGdHmV%3DmNgZh1Mhk75bq%3Dh0-Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 16 14:31:27 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008274.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008278.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8275">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8275">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8275">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8275">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/7/16 Florian Hubold <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>>: +><i> Am 14.07.2012 12:09, schrieb Anne Wilson: +</I>>><i> On 14/07/12 10:04, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> > dict.leo.org lists 19 english words which all translate to "Grube" +</I>>><i> > in German. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> > alveola [zool.] cavern cavity coal-mine colliery concave bank +</I>>><i> > [geol.] den depression dump - waste disposal site eroding bank +</I>>><i> > [geol.] erosion bank [geol.] exterior bank [geol.] external bank +</I>>><i> > [geol.] fosse fovea - small depression or pit +</I>>><i> > [anat.][biol.][zool.] groove [med.] lacuna - pl. lacunae, lacunas +</I>>><i> > mine [tech.] outer bank - it has its centre of curvature toward +</I>>><i> > the channel [geol.] +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> A German co-worker on KDE UserBase refers me to Leo all the time - a +</I>>><i> very useful resource. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Anne +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Don't trust Leo too much, just like wikipedia. Better +</I>><i> double-check this with another service like dict.cc, +</I>><i> as leo often has some mistakes, +</I> +Well, I've been using dict.leo.org for many years now on an almost +daily basis and only found not more than a hand full of real mistakes. +Of course doublechecking is always a good idea. +(especially with unknown food - let your wife check first!) + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008274.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008278.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8275">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8275">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8275">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8275">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008276.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008276.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c807727a3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008276.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] FrOSCon 2012 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20FrOSCon%202012&In-Reply-To=%3C500421D0.8050507%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008273.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008282.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] FrOSCon 2012</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20FrOSCon%202012&In-Reply-To=%3C500421D0.8050507%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] FrOSCon 2012">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 16 16:14:40 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008273.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008282.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8276">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8276">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8276">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8276">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi there, + +as last year we will be at the Free and Open Source Software Conference +(FrOSCon, <A HREF="http://www.froscon.de/en/home/">http://www.froscon.de/en/home/</A>) in St. Augustin (near +Collogne, Germany). +At the moment we are already a rather nice bunch of Mageia people there, +but we are always happy to see more of you there. +So if you shouldn't live all too far from Collogne and have some free +time on that weekend, just drop by there. + +Cheers, + +Oliver + +-- +Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca + +Mageia contributor +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008273.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008282.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8276">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8276">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8276">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8276">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008277.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008277.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d2cf47dfa --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008277.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? 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So I don't want it suspends. + +Where can I find configuration of such behaviour ? + +txs. + +JB +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008282.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008279.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8277">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8277">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8277">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8277">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008278.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008278.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..54a029dcf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008278.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C50043DA7.4050105%40kde.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008275.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008256.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request</H1> + <B>Anne Wilson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20indirect%20request%20%3C---%3E%0A%20direct%20request&In-Reply-To=%3C50043DA7.4050105%40kde.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request">annew at kde.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 16 18:13:27 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008275.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8278">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8278">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8278">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8278">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +Hash: SHA1 + +On 16/07/12 13:31, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2012/7/16 Florian Hubold <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>>: +</I>>><i> Am 14.07.2012 12:09, schrieb Anne Wilson: +</I>>>><i> On 14/07/12 10:04, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> dict.leo.org lists 19 english words which all translate to +</I>>>>><i> "Grube" in German. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> alveola [zool.] cavern cavity coal-mine colliery concave +</I>>>>><i> bank [geol.] den depression dump - waste disposal site +</I>>>>><i> eroding bank [geol.] erosion bank [geol.] exterior bank +</I>>>>><i> [geol.] external bank [geol.] fosse fovea - small +</I>>>>><i> depression or pit [anat.][biol.][zool.] groove [med.] lacuna +</I>>>>><i> - pl. lacunae, lacunas mine [tech.] outer bank - it has its +</I>>>>><i> centre of curvature toward the channel [geol.] +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> A German co-worker on KDE UserBase refers me to Leo all the +</I>>>><i> time - a very useful resource. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Anne +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Don't trust Leo too much, just like wikipedia. Better +</I>>><i> double-check this with another service like dict.cc, as leo often +</I>>><i> has some mistakes, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, I've been using dict.leo.org for many years now on an almost +</I>><i> daily basis and only found not more than a hand full of real +</I>><i> mistakes. Of course doublechecking is always a good idea. +</I>><i> (especially with unknown food - let your wife check first!) +</I>><i> +</I>We are using it when we are unsure that we understand each other - +when Matthias isn't sure of the English word and I don't recognise the +German one. For that purpose it is absolutely fine. + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? 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So I don't want it suspends. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Where can I find configuration of such behaviour ? +</I>><i> +</I>If you are using KDE you should have a battery icon in your system +tray. It's not altogether obvious, but right-clicking on that gives +you access to power settings. + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? 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It's not altogether obvious, but right-clicking on that gives +</I>><i> you access to power settings. +</I> +It's a server, I have only GDM launched, without login in. + +I think it's more low level...dbus something like that... + +some hints ? + +JB +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008279.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008281.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8280">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8280">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8280">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8280">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008281.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008281.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f7093eee5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008281.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20How%20control%20ernergy%20events%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C50044693.4090300%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008280.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008283.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ?</H1> + <B>Claire Robinson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20How%20control%20ernergy%20events%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C50044693.4090300%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ?">eeeemail at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 16 18:51:31 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008280.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008283.html">[Mageia-discuss] File association query +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8281">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8281">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8281">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8281">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 16/07/12 17:40, Jean-Baptiste BUTET wrote: +><i> Hi Anne :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> If you are using KDE you should have a battery icon in your system +</I>>><i> tray. It's not altogether obvious, but right-clicking on that gives +</I>>><i> you access to power settings. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It's a server, I have only GDM launched, without login in. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think it's more low level...dbus something like that... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> some hints ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> JB +</I> +There seems to be some info here though which might be useful. + +<A HREF="https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=127740">https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=127740</A> + +Alternately you could try without starting X at boot. Just disable it in +MCC => Set up Graphical Server => Options. + +You can always login and use 'startx' if you need to. + +HTH +Claire +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008280.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008283.html">[Mageia-discuss] File association query +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8281">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8281">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8281">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8281">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008282.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008282.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..64779b880 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008282.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20FrOSCon%202012&In-Reply-To=%3C4908157.GiLHSI6qrc%40localhost%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008276.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008277.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012</H1> + <B>AL13N</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20FrOSCon%202012&In-Reply-To=%3C4908157.GiLHSI6qrc%40localhost%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012">alien at rmail.be + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 16 20:02:42 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008276.html">[Mageia-discuss] FrOSCon 2012 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008277.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8282">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8282">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8282">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8282">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op maandag 16 juli 2012 16:14:40 schreef Oliver Burger: +><i> Hi there, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> as last year we will be at the Free and Open Source Software Conference +</I>><i> (FrOSCon, <A HREF="http://www.froscon.de/en/home/">http://www.froscon.de/en/home/</A>) in St. Augustin (near +</I>><i> Collogne, Germany). +</I>><i> At the moment we are already a rather nice bunch of Mageia people there, +</I>><i> but we are always happy to see more of you there. +</I>><i> So if you shouldn't live all too far from Collogne and have some free +</I>><i> time on that weekend, just drop by there. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I> +I might not be able to make it this year. 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Hodgins wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 05:10:30 -0400, blind Pete +</I>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Cfdisk is very unhappy about something. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 3: Partition begins after +</I>>>><i> end-of-disk Press any key to exit cfdisk +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> It looks like cfdisk's error message is wrong. Partition 3 is mounted +</I>>>><i> and in use. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Disk /dev/sda: 121601 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track +</I>>>><i> Warning: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundary. +</I>>>><i> DOS and Linux will interpret the contents differently. +</I>>>><i> Units = sectors of 512 bytes, counting from 0 +</I>>><i> 121601x255x63=1953520065 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> CHS has not been reliable since zones were introduced decades ago. +</I>><i> They are just a general hint that it is a big drive. LBA or +</I>><i> sector number is all that matters. What happens inside the HDD +</I>><i> case is an unknowable mystery. +</I> +But cfdisk is still based on CHS (or was few years ago). +For example <A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630340#c1">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630340#c1</A> says +that 2.18 (the one in mageia 1) expected the size of the device to be +a multiple of the cylinder size. + +><i> Even if partition four were past the end of the disk it would not +</I>><i> excuse cfdisk for complaining about partition three. +</I> +Yes I don't know why it complains about 3 and not 4 +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008146.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008295.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8285">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8285">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8285">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8285">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008286.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008286.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..66d5b5a63 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008286.html @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20distrib-coffee%20not%20synced%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAOfq2QSK_%2BHR%3Dv9%3DdEAoasaTv%3Dq_SxKLwXGrk8sRwPxozQDdeQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008284.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008287.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced?</H1> + <B>Funda Wang</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20distrib-coffee%20not%20synced%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAOfq2QSK_%2BHR%3Dv9%3DdEAoasaTv%3Dq_SxKLwXGrk8sRwPxozQDdeQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced?">fundawang at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 18 05:35:43 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008284.html">[Mageia-discuss] File association query +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008287.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8286">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8286">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8286">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8286">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hello, + +Is there a problem on distrib-coffee or master rsync server? I haven't +receive any updated packages for hours. + +Thanks. +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008284.html">[Mageia-discuss] File association query +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008287.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8286">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8286">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8286">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8286">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008287.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008287.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..59fc008d7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008287.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20distrib-coffee%20not%20synced%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1632110.y9WFub0uaX%40localhost%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008286.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008288.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced?</H1> + <B>AL13N</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20distrib-coffee%20not%20synced%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1632110.y9WFub0uaX%40localhost%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced?">alien at rmail.be + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 18 08:08:10 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008286.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008288.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8287">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8287">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8287">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8287">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 11:35:43 schreef Funda Wang: +><i> Hello, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Is there a problem on distrib-coffee or master rsync server? I haven't +</I>><i> receive any updated packages for hours. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks. +</I> +you can check + +<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mageia_timestamp">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mageia_timestamp</A> + +(it seems to be stuck on yesterday) +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008286.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008288.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8287">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8287">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8287">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8287">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008288.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008288.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..11b228d49 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008288.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20distrib-coffee%20not%20synced%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAOfq2QRM02fij1eDhHvX_UqZH61LUrpYyrRn_Nrgn7J7cbPOxg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008287.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008289.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced?</H1> + <B>Funda Wang</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20distrib-coffee%20not%20synced%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAOfq2QRM02fij1eDhHvX_UqZH61LUrpYyrRn_Nrgn7J7cbPOxg%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced?">fundawang at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 18 09:02:32 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008287.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008289.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8288">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8288">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8288">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8288">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Then I guess sth wrong with distrib-coffee, I see other mirros are synced: +1342587601 +Wed Jul 18 07:00:01 2012 + +2012/7/18 AL13N <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">alien at rmail.be</A>>: +><i> Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 11:35:43 schreef Funda Wang: +</I>>><i> Hello, +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Is there a problem on distrib-coffee or master rsync server? I haven't +</I>>><i> receive any updated packages for hours. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Thanks. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> you can check +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mageia_timestamp">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mageia_timestamp</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (it seems to be stuck on yesterday) +</I></PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008287.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008289.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8288">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8288">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8288">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8288">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008289.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008289.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f23e1508d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008289.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20distrib-coffee%20not%20synced%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120718070500.GS3708%40virgo.home.nanardon.zarb.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008288.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008290.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced?</H1> + <B>Olivier Thauvin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20distrib-coffee%20not%20synced%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120718070500.GS3708%40virgo.home.nanardon.zarb.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced?">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 18 09:05:00 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008288.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008290.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8289">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8289">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8289">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8289">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>* Funda Wang (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fundawang at gmail.com</A>) wrote: +><i> Then I guess sth wrong with distrib-coffee, I see other mirros are synced: +</I>><i> 1342587601 +</I>><i> Wed Jul 18 07:00:01 2012 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2012/7/18 AL13N <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">alien at rmail.be</A>>: +</I>><i> > Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 11:35:43 schreef Funda Wang: +</I>><i> >> Hello, +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Is there a problem on distrib-coffee or master rsync server? I haven't +</I>><i> >> receive any updated packages for hours. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Thanks. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > you can check +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mageia_timestamp">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mageia_timestamp</A> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > (it seems to be stuck on yesterday) +</I> +Indeed, I juste restart the mirror sync dameon and rsync for mageia tree +is currently running. + +Regards. + +-- + +Olivier Thauvin +CNRS - LATMOS +♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖ +-------------- next part -------------- +A non-text attachment was scrubbed... +Name: not available +Type: application/pgp-signature +Size: 197 bytes +Desc: not available +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120718/7ffb6392/attachment.asc> +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008288.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008290.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8289">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8289">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8289">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8289">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008290.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008290.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cc05ee739 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008290.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20update%201%20-%3E%202....%20some%20regressions...&In-Reply-To=%3CCANYxx%3Dx6hr6vzGdh5Ci9n_6440wpitjWYppypYpQvg6ngXXdoQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008289.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008291.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions...</H1> + <B>Jean-Baptiste BUTET</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20update%201%20-%3E%202....%20some%20regressions...&In-Reply-To=%3CCANYxx%3Dx6hr6vzGdh5Ci9n_6440wpitjWYppypYpQvg6ngXXdoQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions...">ashashiwa at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 18 20:28:27 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008289.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008291.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8290">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8290">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8290">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8290">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi all :) + +i've updated my father mageia 1 computer with this steps : +1) updated mga1 with latest update +2) launch applet + +After, I have lots of issues... some minor some major. + +Major ones : +1 ) Kde doesn't launch at boot. It seems systemd doesn't launch it. I +can do a startx in a tty. who -r gives RL5. + +2) USB mass storage can't mount (haven't rights) (impossible de monter +le périphérique) (may be due to issue 1) + +Any hints ? + +Thanks. + +JB +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008289.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008291.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8290">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8290">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8290">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8290">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008291.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008291.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..64147bfb4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008291.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20update%201%20-%3E%202....%20some%20regressions...&In-Reply-To=%3C500702A0.1000307%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008290.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008292.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions...</H1> + <B>Claire Robinson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20update%201%20-%3E%202....%20some%20regressions...&In-Reply-To=%3C500702A0.1000307%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions...">eeeemail at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 18 20:38:24 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008290.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008292.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8291">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8291">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8291">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8291">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 18/07/12 19:28, Jean-Baptiste BUTET wrote: +><i> Hi all :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> i've updated my father mageia 1 computer with this steps : +</I>><i> 1) updated mga1 with latest update +</I>><i> 2) launch applet +</I>><i> +</I>><i> After, I have lots of issues... some minor some major. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Major ones : +</I>><i> 1 ) Kde doesn't launch at boot. It seems systemd doesn't launch it. I +</I>><i> can do a startx in a tty. who -r gives RL5. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2) USB mass storage can't mount (haven't rights) (impossible de monter +</I>><i> le périphérique) (may be due to issue 1) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Any hints ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> JB +</I> +Try running 'urpmi --auto-update' + +If you have your media set up and have a network connection it will +update anything the update medium wasn't able to. + +How did you update by the way? + +DVD - mostly works but doesn't have proprietary drivers or firmware +LiveCD - probably won't work but does have most proprietary drivers & +firmware. +Network - Should work. + +Claire +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008290.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008292.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8291">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8291">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8291">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8291">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008292.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008292.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..67a28bca6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008292.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20update%201%20-%3E%202....%20some%20regressions...&In-Reply-To=%3C5007048E.4020407%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008291.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008293.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions...</H1> + <B>Claire Robinson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20update%201%20-%3E%202....%20some%20regressions...&In-Reply-To=%3C5007048E.4020407%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions...">eeeemail at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 18 20:46:38 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008291.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008293.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8292">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8292">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8292">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8292">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 18/07/12 19:38, Claire Robinson wrote: +><i> On 18/07/12 19:28, Jean-Baptiste BUTET wrote: +</I>>><i> Hi all :) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> i've updated my father mageia 1 computer with this steps : +</I>>><i> 1) updated mga1 with latest update +</I>>><i> 2) launch applet +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> After, I have lots of issues... some minor some major. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Major ones : +</I>>><i> 1 ) Kde doesn't launch at boot. It seems systemd doesn't launch it. I +</I>>><i> can do a startx in a tty. who -r gives RL5. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 2) USB mass storage can't mount (haven't rights) (impossible de monter +</I>>><i> le périphérique) (may be due to issue 1) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Any hints ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Thanks. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> JB +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Try running 'urpmi --auto-update' +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you have your media set up and have a network connection it will +</I>><i> update anything the update medium wasn't able to. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How did you update by the way? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> DVD - mostly works but doesn't have proprietary drivers or firmware +</I>><i> LiveCD - probably won't work but does have most proprietary drivers & +</I>><i> firmware. +</I>><i> Network - Should work. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Claire +</I> +I should just add that you should enable "Nonfree Release" and "Nonfree +Updates" for any nonfree firmware or drivers. At the moment I think even +the network upgrade ignores those. + +We'll be re-thinking our ISOs for Mageia 3. + +Claire +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008291.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008293.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8292">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8292">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8292">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8292">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008293.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008293.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e6a65423e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008293.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20update%201%20-%3E%202....%20some%20regressions...&In-Reply-To=%3CCANYxx%3DzM0ntjDGRycD76ax%3DnxjfOVmN_Q_Lf3rtJo_g_0%2BQ7nQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008292.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008294.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions...</H1> + <B>Jean-Baptiste BUTET</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20update%201%20-%3E%202....%20some%20regressions...&In-Reply-To=%3CCANYxx%3DzM0ntjDGRycD76ax%3DnxjfOVmN_Q_Lf3rtJo_g_0%2BQ7nQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions...">ashashiwa at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 18 21:31:56 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008292.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008294.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8293">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8293">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8293">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8293">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Thanks for answer Claire, + + +>><i> If you have your media set up and have a network connection it will +</I>>><i> update anything the update medium wasn't able to. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> How did you update by the way? +</I> +Network (with applet) + +>><i> Network - Should work. +</I> +"should" ;)) but haven't. + +><i> I should just add that you should enable "Nonfree Release" and "Nonfree +</I>><i> Updates" for any nonfree firmware or drivers. +</I> +Done and an urpmi --auto-update. It justs install skype ;) + +I have an Intel... +Card:Intel 810 and later: Intel Corporation|4 Series Chipset +Integrated Graphics Controller [DISPLAY_VGA] (vendor:8086 device:2e22 +subv:1043 subd:8276) (rev: 03) + +So I don't need firmwares. + +I really think it's a systemd issue related. + +Txs. + +JB +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008292.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008294.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8293">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8293">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8293">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8293">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008294.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008294.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3b9a8685b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008294.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20update%201%20-%3E%202....%20some%20regressions...&In-Reply-To=%3C1727795.KuhB4F88Uy%40localhost%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008293.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008298.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions...</H1> + <B>AL13N</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20update%201%20-%3E%202....%20some%20regressions...&In-Reply-To=%3C1727795.KuhB4F88Uy%40localhost%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions...">alien at rmail.be + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 18 22:27:23 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008293.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008298.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8294">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8294">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8294">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8294">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 21:31:56 schreef Jean-Baptiste BUTET: +[...] +><i> I really think it's a systemd issue related. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Txs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> JB +</I> +can you check if the default.target is a symlink to multi-user.target or +graphical.target ? 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Hodgins wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 05:10:30 -0400, blind Pete +</I>>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Cfdisk is very unhappy about something. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 3: Partition begins after +</I>>>>><i> end-of-disk Press any key to exit cfdisk +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> It looks like cfdisk's error message is wrong. Partition 3 is mounted +</I>>>>><i> and in use. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Disk /dev/sda: 121601 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track +</I>>>>><i> Warning: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundary. +</I>>>>><i> DOS and Linux will interpret the contents differently. +</I>>>>><i> Units = sectors of 512 bytes, counting from 0 +</I>>>><i> 121601x255x63=1953520065 +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> CHS has not been reliable since zones were introduced decades ago. +</I>>><i> They are just a general hint that it is a big drive. LBA or +</I>>><i> sector number is all that matters. What happens inside the HDD +</I>>><i> case is an unknowable mystery. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But cfdisk is still based on CHS (or was few years ago). +</I> +Ancient history: + +Before the introduction of the ATA hard drive standard, in about 1990, +the normal way to address a sector was with a CHS tuple. With ATA +zone formatting became standard practice. There are fewer sectors in +a cylinder near the spindle than in a cylinder near the rim. The +Integrated Drive Electronics then "translated" the hidden real, but +variable, geometry into a pretend geometry with a constant number of +sectors per cylinder, so that existing operating systems like DOS and +possibly BIOSes would not fail miserably by being told that 1,1,20 +does not exist, but 20,1,30 is fine. + +Aligning things with physical cylinders was sometimes a good idea, but +now that information is hidden inside the drive. Aligning things with +pretend cylinders is pointless, because they probably don't correspond +to physical cylinders. + +><i> For example <A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630340#c1">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630340#c1</A> says +</I>><i> that 2.18 (the one in mageia 1) expected the size of the device to be +</I>><i> a multiple of the cylinder size. +</I> +There was a bug in cfdisk two years ago. It seems to have been fixed. +Mageia 2's cfdisk does not complain about my hard drive. + +>><i> Even if partition four were past the end of the disk it would not +</I>>><i> excuse cfdisk for complaining about partition three. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes I don't know why it complains about 3 and not 4 +</I> +The old version does some invalid maths - and gets the wrong answer. + +-- +blind Pete +Sig goes here... + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008285.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008296.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8295">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8295">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8295">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8295">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008296.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008296.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ab5ae0db9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008296.html @@ -0,0 +1,133 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C5007844E.2010604%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008295.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008297.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3C5007844E.2010604%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug">andre999mga at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 19 05:51:42 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008295.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008297.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8296">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8296">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8296">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8296">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>blind Pete a écrit : +><i> Pascal Terjan wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 8:37 AM, blind Pete +</I>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> David W. Hodgins wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 05:10:30 -0400, blind Pete +</I>>>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Cfdisk is very unhappy about something. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 3: Partition begins after +</I>>>>>><i> end-of-disk Press any key to exit cfdisk +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> It looks like cfdisk's error message is wrong. Partition 3 is mounted +</I>>>>>><i> and in use. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Disk /dev/sda: 121601 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track +</I>>>>>><i> Warning: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundary. +</I>>>>>><i> DOS and Linux will interpret the contents differently. +</I>>>>>><i> Units = sectors of 512 bytes, counting from 0 +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> 121601x255x63=1953520065 +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> CHS has not been reliable since zones were introduced decades ago. +</I>>>><i> They are just a general hint that it is a big drive. LBA or +</I>>>><i> sector number is all that matters. What happens inside the HDD +</I>>>><i> case is an unknowable mystery. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> But cfdisk is still based on CHS (or was few years ago). +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Ancient history: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Before the introduction of the ATA hard drive standard, in about 1990, +</I>><i> the normal way to address a sector was with a CHS tuple. With ATA +</I>><i> zone formatting became standard practice. There are fewer sectors in +</I>><i> a cylinder near the spindle than in a cylinder near the rim. The +</I>><i> Integrated Drive Electronics then "translated" the hidden real, but +</I>><i> variable, geometry into a pretend geometry with a constant number of +</I>><i> sectors per cylinder, so that existing operating systems like DOS and +</I>><i> possibly BIOSes would not fail miserably by being told that 1,1,20 +</I>><i> does not exist, but 20,1,30 is fine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Aligning things with physical cylinders was sometimes a good idea, but +</I>><i> now that information is hidden inside the drive. Aligning things with +</I>><i> pretend cylinders is pointless, because they probably don't correspond +</I>><i> to physical cylinders. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> For example <A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630340#c1">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630340#c1</A> says +</I>>><i> that 2.18 (the one in mageia 1) expected the size of the device to be +</I>>><i> a multiple of the cylinder size. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> There was a bug in cfdisk two years ago. It seems to have been fixed. +</I>><i> Mageia 2's cfdisk does not complain about my hard drive. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> Even if partition four were past the end of the disk it would not +</I>>>><i> excuse cfdisk for complaining about partition three. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes I don't know why it complains about 3 and not 4 +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> The old version does some invalid maths - and gets the wrong answer. +</I>><i> +</I>Just a wild guess, but maybe cfdisk is using base 0 in the error message ? +i.e., starting with "partition 0" for the first partition, and saying +"partition 3" for the 4th + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008295.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008297.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8296">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8296">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8296">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8296">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008297.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008297.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3a8be4928 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008297.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3Ci03ld9-b5q.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008296.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008145.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug</H1> + <B>blind Pete</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20partitioning%20bug&In-Reply-To=%3Ci03ld9-b5q.ln1%40psd.motzarella.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug">0123peter at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 19 12:09:54 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008296.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008145.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8297">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8297">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8297">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8297">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>andre999 wrote: + +[snip] + +><i> Just a wild guess, but maybe cfdisk is using base 0 in the error message ? +</I>><i> i.e., starting with "partition 0" for the first partition, and saying +</I>><i> "partition 3" for the 4th +</I> +Looks like a good guess, but it indicates two bugs rather than one. +First calculating the size as CxHxS rather than reading the LBA value, +and second the error message having a numbering scheme from the +main display. + +-- +blind Pete +Sig goes here... + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008296.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008145.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8297">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8297">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8297">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8297">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008298.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008298.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..58f3fb551 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008298.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20update%201%20-%3E%202....%20some%20regressions...&In-Reply-To=%3CCANYxx%3DxJ83vt5Q%3DWYYhOddrX1OuMOdvZMPCJFfw5st2-cFENwQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008294.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008299.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions...</H1> + <B>Jean-Baptiste BUTET</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20update%201%20-%3E%202....%20some%20regressions...&In-Reply-To=%3CCANYxx%3DxJ83vt5Q%3DWYYhOddrX1OuMOdvZMPCJFfw5st2-cFENwQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions...">ashashiwa at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 19 20:51:04 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008294.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008299.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8298">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8298">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8298">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8298">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>HI :) + +><i> can you check if the default.target is a symlink to multi-user.target or +</I>><i> graphical.target ? +</I> +Yes it was. + +I say it was because I've reinstalled a clean mageia 2. + +So far, I've seen this computer succesively updated from mandriva +2009.2 to mageia 1 :) without on clean install. + +So I've done it and all work like a charm. + +JB +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008294.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008299.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8298">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8298">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8298">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8298">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008299.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008299.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b1255309c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008299.html @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IT%20MegaMeet%20and%20OGGCamp&In-Reply-To=%3C5009E1C5.3010401%40gmx.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008298.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008301.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp</H1> + <B>Sebastian</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IT%20MegaMeet%20and%20OGGCamp&In-Reply-To=%3C5009E1C5.3010401%40gmx.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp">sebsebseb_mageia at gmx.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 21 00:55:01 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008298.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008301.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8299">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8299">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8299">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8299">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Saturday the 19th May 2012 I went to the first Bristol IT MegaMeet +(<A HREF="http://itmegameet.co.uk">http://itmegameet.co.uk</A>) at The University of the West of England near +Bristol. I gave a short, unrehearsed Lightning Talk with someone I +hadn’t met until earlier on at the event about the Bristol and Bath +Linux User Group. Which was followed by my Mageia Lightning Talk, which +ran about five minutes. Each talk could only be at most five minutes. +This was the first time I had given these kind of talks. Even though +neither talk had had any proper practise, I still went out there and did +them! My goal, in giving the talks to the 100 to 250 people present, was +to raise interest in Mageia and the LUG among the local IT and business +community, university staff and students,and members of the public. + +After the Mageia talk I spoke with four or five people who were curious +to learn more, one of whom was quite interested! + +Since Mageia 2 was gong to be released on Tuesday of the next week I +gave out pre-release Live CD’s, on suggestion from a member of the QA +team, rather than the Mageia 2 RC, or Mageia 1. I gave out both GNOME +and KDE pre-release Live CD’s, I also made it clear to the recipients +that they were pre-release and what that meant. + +Talk video: <A HREF="http://youtu.be/Ro7UrIivYBo">http://youtu.be/Ro7UrIivYBo</A> +Talk slides: <A HREF="http://www.slideshare.net/sebsebseb2/mageia-slideshow">http://www.slideshare.net/sebsebseb2/mageia-slideshow</A> + + +I will be going to OGGCamp next month in Liverpool, which is an event +organised by the Linux Outlaws podcast and Ubuntu UK Podcast. + +OGGCamp is the biggest community organised Linux and other +opensource/freesoftware, event in the UK. OGG Camp is also a free +culture event. Stephen Fry will be there this year at the fourth +OGGCamp, but via technology not in person. + +I haven't been before, but since I gained my first proper public +speaking experience in May at the Bristol IT Mega Meet, as a result I am +thinking about possibly doing a talk at OGGCamp about Mageia. However +one that I will have prepared much more properly as well in that case, +than the Mageia talk I did in May at the IT MegaMeet. + +As for if I get to do the talk or not and if so how big the room will be +as well that depends since OGGCamp is an unconference. People who are +there at the beginning that would like to can put them selves down for +talks, and then people vote on which talks they would like to attend +before the scheduled is finalised. Speakers get given a time and a room, +the more popular the talk is the bigger the room. When it comes to the +voting the exception is the few already scheduled talks. + +If I put myself down for a talk about Mageia and if it's popular enough +I may end up doing it in front of about 300 people! + +OGGCamp is on the 18th and 19th August, more details are available on +the website: <A HREF="http://oggcamp.org">http://oggcamp.org</A> + +I will be giving out Mageia 2 CD's at OGGCamp. + +Thought I would send this email this evening, even though I am going +away tomorrow afternoon for a week's holiday, and may not be online at +all, or will be, but with not much Internet time. + +This email is for the Mageia discuss, Atelier, and local communities +mailing lists, however please reply only on the Mageia discuss mailing list. + + From Sebastian +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008298.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008301.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8299">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8299">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8299">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8299">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008300.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008300.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..24fc43c26 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008300.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20KDEPIM%20now%20totally%20lost&In-Reply-To=%3C500A8F7D.1040905%40kde.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008301.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008302.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost</H1> + <B>Anne Wilson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20KDEPIM%20now%20totally%20lost&In-Reply-To=%3C500A8F7D.1040905%40kde.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost">annew at kde.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 21 13:16:13 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008301.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008302.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8300">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8300">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8300">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8300">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +Hash: SHA1 + +- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +Hash: SHA1 + +On Thursday I opened kaddressbook (4.8.2-3.mga2), only to find a blank +page. Going to System Settings > Personal I discovered that my +address accounts had disappeared, so I re-created them, one pointing +to the old std.vcf file, and one to ~/.local/share/contacts. I find +that they are marked read-only, and I can't change that - the checkbox +appears to clear, but when saved it is still read-only. + +Since then I have discovered that kmail also is blank. The resources +are still there, and correct, but all attempts to get them to display +in kmail have failed. I also get notices that kmail is off-line, but +again that can't be changed. + +Up to now Kontact has been somewhat troublesome, but usable when I +needed it, but something is terribly wrong this time, I have checked +ownerships and permissions, just in case, and everything else I can +think of. Is this the end of the line for Kontact, or something +changed in my system without my knowledge? + +Anne +- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) +Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <A HREF="http://enigmail.mozdev.org/">http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</A> + +iEYEARECAAYFAlAKgz0ACgkQj93fyh4cnBd6AACfQ8W3xr/CEpccTPSvma/yeYmL +ieAAnjB5ql7lUTL0+YAWOkUlB8Dgzcyd +=ozFL +- -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) +Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <A HREF="http://enigmail.mozdev.org/">http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</A> + +iEYEARECAAYFAlAKj3oACgkQj93fyh4cnBeE3QCfcc+GQSr4KCNxns6dFjLi6Us7 +QWAAnjpaPH0/h3KAa1g1vu5gZWUutxYA +=mGxV +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008301.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008302.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8300">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8300">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8300">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8300">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008301.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008301.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0b195a1e4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008301.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IT%20MegaMeet%20and%20OGGCamp&In-Reply-To=%3C201207211345.24139.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008299.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008300.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp</H1> + <B>Morgan Leijström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IT%20MegaMeet%20and%20OGGCamp&In-Reply-To=%3C201207211345.24139.fri%40tribun.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp">fri at tribun.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 21 13:45:24 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008299.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008300.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8301">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8301">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8301">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8301">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Tank you Sebastian for all marketing work! + +Well done. + +:<i>) +</I> +/Morgan + +lördagen den 21 juli 2012 00.55.01 skrev Sebastian: +><i> On Saturday the 19th May 2012 I went to the first Bristol IT MegaMeet +</I>... +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008299.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008300.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8301">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8301">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8301">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8301">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008302.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008302.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4800626c8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008302.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20KDEPIM%20now%20totally%20lost&In-Reply-To=%3C4999573.LSN28Hc1EA%40khepri.lan.littleboboy.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008300.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008303.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost</H1> + <B>Balcaen John</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20KDEPIM%20now%20totally%20lost&In-Reply-To=%3C4999573.LSN28Hc1EA%40khepri.lan.littleboboy.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost">mikala at mageia.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 21 13:53:59 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008300.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008303.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8302">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8302">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8302">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8302">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le samedi 21 juillet 2012 12:16:13 Anne Wilson a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Thursday I opened kaddressbook (4.8.2-3.mga2), only to find a blank +</I>><i> page. Going to System Settings > Personal I discovered that my +</I>><i> address accounts had disappeared, so I re-created them, one pointing +</I>><i> to the old std.vcf file, and one to ~/.local/share/contacts. I find +</I>><i> that they are marked read-only, and I can't change that - the checkbox +</I>><i> appears to clear, but when saved it is still read-only. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Since then I have discovered that kmail also is blank. The resources +</I>><i> are still there, and correct, but all attempts to get them to display +</I>><i> in kmail have failed. I also get notices that kmail is off-line, but +</I>><i> again that can't be changed. +</I>Just in case did you check that akonadi was running/responding ? +Somehow kadressbook & kmail should have prompted about non running akonadi. +Regarding the off-line status did you eventually installed for example +networkmanager without having it running/managing your network ? +Did you have the same issue with another kde's network application ? ( like +kopete for example) ? +(It could be a solid issue eventually) + +><i> +</I>><i> Up to now Kontact has been somewhat troublesome, but usable when I +</I>><i> needed it, but something is terribly wrong this time, I have checked +</I>><i> ownerships and permissions, just in case, and everything else I can +</I>><i> think of. Is this the end of the line for Kontact, or something +</I>><i> changed in my system without my knowledge? +</I>I'm currently waiting for Qt validation by QA to push KDE 4.8.4 [1] on +updates/testing (which came with a lot of fix for kdepim, some of them picked +up from 4.8.5). +However it's also possible that i'll simply push 4.8.5 since 4.8.5 should be +release (or at least tagged) by the end of July. + + +Regards, + +[1] <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6656">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6656</A> +Currently we're only missing the i586 validation if i'm not wrong. + + +-- +Balcaen John + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008300.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008303.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8302">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8302">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8302">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8302">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008303.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008303.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ece0c4552 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008303.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20KDEPIM%20now%20totally%20lost&In-Reply-To=%3C10838467.YOjVfg7jhj%40localhost%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008302.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008304.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost</H1> + <B>AL13N</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20KDEPIM%20now%20totally%20lost&In-Reply-To=%3C10838467.YOjVfg7jhj%40localhost%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost">alien at rmail.be + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 21 20:37:48 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008302.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008304.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8303">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8303">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8303">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8303">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op zaterdag 21 juli 2012 08:53:59 schreef Balcaen John: +><i> Le samedi 21 juillet 2012 12:16:13 Anne Wilson a écrit : +</I>><i> > On Thursday I opened kaddressbook (4.8.2-3.mga2), only to find a blank +</I>><i> > page. Going to System Settings > Personal I discovered that my +</I>><i> > address accounts had disappeared, so I re-created them, one pointing +</I>><i> > to the old std.vcf file, and one to ~/.local/share/contacts. I find +</I>><i> > that they are marked read-only, and I can't change that - the checkbox +</I>><i> > appears to clear, but when saved it is still read-only. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Since then I have discovered that kmail also is blank. The resources +</I>><i> > are still there, and correct, but all attempts to get them to display +</I>><i> > in kmail have failed. I also get notices that kmail is off-line, but +</I>><i> > again that can't be changed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Just in case did you check that akonadi was running/responding ? +</I>><i> Somehow kadressbook & kmail should have prompted about non running akonadi. +</I>><i> Regarding the off-line status did you eventually installed for example +</I>><i> networkmanager without having it running/managing your network ? +</I>><i> Did you have the same issue with another kde's network application ? ( like +</I>><i> kopete for example) ? +</I>><i> (It could be a solid issue eventually) +</I> +for me, kmail kept appearing to be offline, i had to restart akonadi as regular +user to get it back. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008302.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008304.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8303">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8303">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8303">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8303">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008304.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008304.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..57e2808fb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008304.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20KDEPIM%20now%20totally%20lost&In-Reply-To=%3C2230824.EKZsNSGdEN%40khepri.lan.littleboboy.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Solbu</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Interaction%20with%20bugzilla&In-Reply-To=%3C201207220216.52476.cooker%40solbu.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Interaction with bugzilla">cooker at solbu.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 22 02:16:49 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008306.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008311.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8305">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8305">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8305">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8305">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I'm wondering if there are tools you reccommend, that allow interation with bugzilla without having to browse the website using a browser. +What do you use? + +-- +Johnny A. 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Restarting Akonadi +cured that. I use IMAP, and absolutely nothing from the IMAP server +was visible. Nor were the contacts in my ~/.local/contacts folder. + +Every time I start KMail I'm told that it is offline. If I understand +you correctly there is a setting somewhere where this can be changed +but I've never found it. Can you point me to it, please? + +Anne +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) +Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <A HREF="http://enigmail.mozdev.org/">http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</A> + +iEYEARECAAYFAlALxUcACgkQj93fyh4cnBe6rgCfTDcteiDkcPlfqw8b7+GNQN8u +6uAAoIt2T7TXj0D4KjNUhzevIEenfNIR +=lQPb +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008304.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008308.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8307">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8307">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8307">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8307">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008308.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008308.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f160045f2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008308.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20KDEPIM%20now%20totally%20lost&In-Reply-To=%3C1397115.EPqIXUuTj0%40khepri.lan.littleboboy.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008307.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008309.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost</H1> + <B>Balcaen John</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20KDEPIM%20now%20totally%20lost&In-Reply-To=%3C1397115.EPqIXUuTj0%40khepri.lan.littleboboy.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost">mikala at mageia.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 22 15:31:40 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008307.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008309.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8308">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8308">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8308">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8308">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le dimanche 22 juillet 2012 10:18:01 Anne Wilson a écrit : +><i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +</I>><i> Hash: SHA1 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On 21/07/12 19:49, Balcaen John wrote: +</I>><i> > I guess you're talking about a *global* offline status of kmail & +</I>><i> > not eventually only the mail dispatcher which sometimes seems to +</I>><i> > be offline for no reason. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In my case, none of the Kontact apps were working. Restarting Akonadi +</I>><i> cured that. I use IMAP, and absolutely nothing from the IMAP server +</I>><i> was visible. Nor were the contacts in my ~/.local/contacts folder. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Every time I start KMail I'm told that it is offline. If I understand +</I>><i> you correctly there is a setting somewhere where this can be changed +</I>><i> but I've never found it. Can you point me to it, please? +</I> +There's no real settings, but there is a bug in ntrack support [1] in kde- +runtime causing issue with solid network backend. +In short initially we were providing ntrack support, however since 4.8 the +support seems to be broken solid networkbackend reporting a non working kde. +Our work around was simply to rebuild kde-runtime (kdebase4-runtime package +name in mageia) without it (issue fixed with +<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Support/Advisories/MGAA-2012-0093">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Support/Advisories/MGAA-2012-0093</A> ). + +In mga #6159 however someone mentionned that issue was still present when +networkmanager was installed & *not* used for managing network ( yeah funny :p +). +So i was asking to check that you were not in that case (if so that would be +the second case & since i did not find the time to test/reproduce ) & if so +i'll disable the nm support in kde-runtime too. +To check the network solid status you need to use this line : +qdbus org.kde.kded /modules/networkstatus +org.kde.Solid.Networking.Client.Status + + +The result (when connected) should be 4. + +Regards, + + + +[1] See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6159">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6159</A> +& <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294441">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294441</A> +-- +Balcaen John +Mageia Contributor +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008307.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008309.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8308">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8308">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8308">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8308">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008309.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008309.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e2e4099b8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008309.html @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20KDEPIM%20now%20totally%20lost&In-Reply-To=%3C500C4725.2070605%40kde.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008308.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008310.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost</H1> + <B>Anne Wilson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20KDEPIM%20now%20totally%20lost&In-Reply-To=%3C500C4725.2070605%40kde.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost">annew at kde.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jul 22 20:32:05 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008308.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008310.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8309">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8309">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8309">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8309">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +Hash: SHA1 + +On 22/07/12 14:31, Balcaen John wrote: +><i> Le dimanche 22 juillet 2012 10:18:01 Anne Wilson a écrit : +</I>>><i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> On 21/07/12 19:49, Balcaen John wrote: +</I>>>><i> I guess you're talking about a *global* offline status of kmail +</I>>>><i> & not eventually only the mail dispatcher which sometimes seems +</I>>>><i> to be offline for no reason. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> In my case, none of the Kontact apps were working. Restarting +</I>>><i> Akonadi cured that. I use IMAP, and absolutely nothing from the +</I>>><i> IMAP server was visible. Nor were the contacts in my +</I>>><i> ~/.local/contacts folder. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Every time I start KMail I'm told that it is offline. If I +</I>>><i> understand you correctly there is a setting somewhere where this +</I>>><i> can be changed but I've never found it. Can you point me to it, +</I>>><i> please? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There's no real settings, but there is a bug in ntrack support [1] +</I>><i> in kde- runtime causing issue with solid network backend. In short +</I>><i> initially we were providing ntrack support, however since 4.8 the +</I>><i> support seems to be broken solid networkbackend reporting a non +</I>><i> working kde. Our work around was simply to rebuild kde-runtime +</I>><i> (kdebase4-runtime package name in mageia) without it (issue fixed +</I>><i> with <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Support/Advisories/MGAA-2012-0093">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Support/Advisories/MGAA-2012-0093</A> +</I>><i> ). +</I>><i> +</I>NetworManager is very good on wireless connections - I haven't had +problems with that for quite a while, but I removed the wired +connection from NM. I can't remember the details, but I was having +some problems, and the ability to ifup was an advantage. Since then +I've been using this mixed system. I don't know whether that can +cause any problem - I didn't expect it to, but of course there could +be issues I don't understand. + +><i> In mga #6159 however someone mentionned that issue was still +</I>><i> present when networkmanager was installed & *not* used for managing +</I>><i> network ( yeah funny :p ). So i was asking to check that you were +</I>><i> not in that case (if so that would be the second case & since i did +</I>><i> not find the time to test/reproduce ) & if so i'll disable the nm +</I>><i> support in kde-runtime too. To check the network solid status you +</I>><i> need to use this line : qdbus org.kde.kded /modules/networkstatus +</I>><i> org.kde.Solid.Networking.Client.Status +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The result (when connected) should be 4. +</I>><i> +</I>I tried it, and the result was 1. eth0 has the specified address, and +wlan0 has the dhcp address, both reporting 0 errors. + +Any other tests you would like me to run? + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? 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Restarting +</I>><i> >> Akonadi cured that. I use IMAP, and absolutely nothing from the +</I>><i> >> IMAP server was visible. Nor were the contacts in my +</I>><i> >> ~/.local/contacts folder. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Every time I start KMail I'm told that it is offline. If I +</I>><i> >> understand you correctly there is a setting somewhere where this +</I>><i> >> can be changed but I've never found it. Can you point me to it, +</I>><i> >> please? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > There's no real settings, but there is a bug in ntrack support [1] +</I>><i> > in kde- runtime causing issue with solid network backend. In short +</I>><i> > initially we were providing ntrack support, however since 4.8 the +</I>><i> > support seems to be broken solid networkbackend reporting a non +</I>><i> > working kde. Our work around was simply to rebuild kde-runtime +</I>><i> > (kdebase4-runtime package name in mageia) without it (issue fixed +</I>><i> > with <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Support/Advisories/MGAA-2012-0093">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Support/Advisories/MGAA-2012-0093</A> +</I>><i> > ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> NetworManager is very good on wireless connections - I haven't had +</I>><i> problems with that for quite a while, but I removed the wired +</I>><i> connection from NM. I can't remember the details, but I was having +</I>><i> some problems, and the ability to ifup was an advantage. Since then +</I>><i> I've been using this mixed system. I don't know whether that can +</I>><i> cause any problem - I didn't expect it to, but of course there could +</I>><i> be issues I don't understand. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > In mga #6159 however someone mentionned that issue was still +</I>><i> > present when networkmanager was installed & *not* used for managing +</I>><i> > network ( yeah funny :p ). So i was asking to check that you were +</I>><i> > not in that case (if so that would be the second case & since i did +</I>><i> > not find the time to test/reproduce ) & if so i'll disable the nm +</I>><i> > support in kde-runtime too. To check the network solid status you +</I>><i> > need to use this line : qdbus org.kde.kded /modules/networkstatus +</I>><i> > org.kde.Solid.Networking.Client.Status +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The result (when connected) should be 4. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I tried it, and the result was 1. eth0 has the specified address, and +</I>><i> wlan0 has the dhcp address, both reporting 0 errors. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Any other tests you would like me to run? +</I>><i> +</I>Yep +Could you remove networkmanager package, log out/log in , & then test again. +If it's fixed then i guess i'll remove the nm support in kde-runtime for our +4.8.4/4.8.5 release. + +-- +Balcaen John +Mageia Contributor +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008309.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008313.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8310">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8310">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8310">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8310">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008311.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008311.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ddb57c99c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008311.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20HP%20printer%20not%20working&In-Reply-To=%3C500CDBFA.1050804%40bigpond.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008305.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008312.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working</H1> + <B>Phil</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20HP%20printer%20not%20working&In-Reply-To=%3C500CDBFA.1050804%40bigpond.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working">phil_lor at bigpond.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 23 07:07:06 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008305.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interaction with bugzilla +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008312.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working _fixed +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8311">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8311">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8311">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8311">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Thank you for reading this. + +My HP PSC 1510 printer is no longer working. I've attempter to reinstall +it and I may not be following the correct procedure. This is what I have +done: + +The dialogue asks for a URI so I entered the example +"<A HREF="ipp://cups-server/printers/printer_queue">ipp://cups-server/printers/printer_queue</A>" and then selected my printer +model from the list. When I select the "print test page" I'm informed +that the printer cannot be located. + +This printer is not connected to a network and has a simple USB interface. + +Am I attempting to install the printer correctly? It's always been +discovered automatically in the past without my help. + +-- +Regards, +Phil +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008305.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interaction with bugzilla +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008312.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working _fixed +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8311">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8311">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8311">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8311">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008312.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008312.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..496adb730 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008312.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working _fixed + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20HP%20printer%20not%20working%20_fixed&In-Reply-To=%3C500CF376.3070803%40bigpond.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008311.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008316.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working _fixed</H1> + <B>Phil</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20HP%20printer%20not%20working%20_fixed&In-Reply-To=%3C500CF376.3070803%40bigpond.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working _fixed">phil_lor at bigpond.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 23 08:47:18 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008311.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008316.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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When I select the "print test page" I'm informed +</I>><i> that the printer cannot be located. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This printer is not connected to a network and has a simple USB interface. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Am I attempting to install the printer correctly? It's always been +</I>><i> discovered automatically in the past without my help. +</I>><i> +</I> +The printer suddenly came good, a bad USB connector perhaps? + +-- +Regards, +Phil +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008311.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008316.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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So i was +</I>>>>>><i> asking to check that you were not in that case (if so that +</I>>>>>><i> would be the second case & since i did not find the time to +</I>>>>>><i> test/reproduce ) & if so i'll disable the nm support in +</I>>>>>><i> kde-runtime too. To check the network solid status you need +</I>>>>>><i> to use this line : qdbus org.kde.kded +</I>>>>>><i> /modules/networkstatus +</I>>>>>><i> org.kde.Solid.Networking.Client.Status +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> The result (when connected) should be 4. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I tried it, and the result was 1. eth0 has the specified +</I>>>><i> address, and wlan0 has the dhcp address, both reporting 0 +</I>>>><i> errors. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Any other tests you would like me to run? +</I>>>><i> +</I>><i> Yep Could you remove networkmanager package, log out/log in , & +</I>><i> then test again. If it's fixed then i guess i'll remove the nm +</I>><i> support in kde-runtime for our 4.8.4/4.8.5 release. +</I> +Packages removed: + +- - knetworkmanager-common-0.9-3.mga2.i586 +- - networkmanager-0.9.4.0-4.mga2.i586 +- - plasma-applet-networkmanagement-0.9-3.mga2.i586 + +[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at tosh</A> ~]# qdbus org.kde.kded /modules/networkstatus +org.kde.Solid.Networking.Client.Status (on one line, of course) + +- -bash: qdbus: command not found + +Did I miss something? + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? 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If it's fixed then i guess i'll remove the nm +</I>><i> > support in kde-runtime for our 4.8.4/4.8.5 release. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Packages removed: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - - knetworkmanager-common-0.9-3.mga2.i586 +</I>><i> - - networkmanager-0.9.4.0-4.mga2.i586 +</I>><i> - - plasma-applet-networkmanagement-0.9-3.mga2.i586 +</I> +Do you still have the kmail offline issue with thoses packages removed ? + +><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at tosh</A> ~]# qdbus org.kde.kded /modules/networkstatus +</I>><i> org.kde.Solid.Networking.Client.Status (on one line, of course) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - -bash: qdbus: command not found +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Did I miss something? +</I>Sorry i was not enough precise. +This command need to be run under the normal user. +Also the binary qdbus is provided by qt4-qtdbus package. + +Regards, +-- +Balcaen John +Mageia Contributor +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008313.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008315.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8314">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8314">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8314">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8314">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008315.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008315.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d7eae60f0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008315.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20KDEPIM%20now%20totally%20lost&In-Reply-To=%3C500D1C91.1060902%40kde.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008314.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008322.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost</H1> + <B>Anne Wilson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20KDEPIM%20now%20totally%20lost&In-Reply-To=%3C500D1C91.1060902%40kde.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost">annew at kde.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 23 11:42:41 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008314.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008322.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8315">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8315">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8315">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8315">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +Hash: SHA1 + +On 23/07/12 10:01, Balcaen John wrote: +><i> Le lundi 23 juillet 2012 09:34:36 Anne Wilson a écrit : +</I>>>><i> Yep Could you remove networkmanager package, log out/log in , & +</I>>>><i> then test again. If it's fixed then i guess i'll remove the nm +</I>>>><i> support in kde-runtime for our 4.8.4/4.8.5 release. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Packages removed: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> - - knetworkmanager-common-0.9-3.mga2.i586 - - +</I>>><i> networkmanager-0.9.4.0-4.mga2.i586 - - +</I>>><i> plasma-applet-networkmanagement-0.9-3.mga2.i586 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Do you still have the kmail offline issue with thoses packages +</I>><i> removed ? +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at tosh</A> ~]# qdbus org.kde.kded /modules/networkstatus +</I>>><i> org.kde.Solid.Networking.Client.Status (on one line, of course) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> - -bash: qdbus: command not found +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Did I miss something? +</I>><i> Sorry i was not enough precise. This command need to be run under +</I>><i> the normal user. Also the binary qdbus is provided by qt4-qtdbus +</I>><i> package. +</I>><i> +</I>qt4-qtdbus is installed. I ran the command as anne, and it returned '0'. + +Anne + +- -- +Need KDE help? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3C500EFAAD.4000907%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Jul 24 21:42:37 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008312.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working _fixed +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008318.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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About perl +someone told me, that it is a very powerful language and that usually +only the person who wrote a program in it will understand his own lines +of code, *unless* he sees them again years later. In the last case, +he'll look in amazement at some of the lines he wrote himself and wonder +what he wanted to achieve with them. + +Over a year ago, one of our brightest developers spent hours together +with an English proofreader, to correct some sentences in the code of +one or more drak*-programs. He wasn't aware that in doing so, he was +breaking all the translations of the sentences he corrected. So making +the changes you propose isn't as easy as you think. + +The developer of those draktools and of the DVD installer has too little +free time to do all the work that is waiting for him here, so he +focusses on what is most urgent. At the moment, over 130 bugs are +waiting for him to get solved, among them are crashes and other very +serious problems. + +Kind regards, +Marja + + + +On 24/07/2012 13:18, Graham Tarn wrote: +><i> Hello Marja +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I understand and I see the problem of shortage of contributors. +</I>><i> Also I can see that you are doing your best. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However, my language is under attack from a variety of sources in the +</I>><i> computing world (no other industries try to change the spelling of the +</I>><i> words in my language, only the computing industry, and the problem lies +</I>><i> with operating systems and applications), +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As a start, I am asking for changes of spelling to any of the following +</I>><i> occurrennces: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> center --> centre +</I>><i> initialize --> initialise +</I>><i> favorite --> favourite +</I>><i> favorites --> favourites +</I>><i> color --> colour +</I>><i> colors --> colours +</I>><i> flavor --> flavour +</I>><i> flavors --> flavours +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is not a long list and it should not need a team . +</I>><i> How many maintainers do you need to change "Center" to "Centre"? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Kind regards +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Graham +</I>><i> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ +</I>><i> *From:* Marja van Waes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>> +</I>><i> *To:* Graham Tarn <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gtarn at yahoo.com</A>> +</I>><i> *Cc:* Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>><i> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2012 8:06 PM +</I>><i> *Subject:* Re: What is your motivation? (about American English in +</I>><i> Mageia for British users) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On 22/07/2012 20:03, Graham Tarn wrote: +</I>><i> > With regard to making British users of Mageia use a Menu in American +</I>><i> > English, which for some young British users, will have adverse +</I>><i> > consequences on their understanding and use of their own language, I +</I>><i> > should be pleased to hear your reasons for doing so and ask you to +</I>><i> > reconsider. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > See <A HREF="http://parsectraveller.wordpress.com/2012/07/19/mageia-language-bug/">http://parsectraveller.wordpress.com/2012/07/19/mageia-language-bug/</A> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Yours sincerely +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > gtarn +</I>><i> +</I>><i> About: bug report: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6069">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6069</A> +</I>><i> which was closed as duplicate of +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1793">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1793</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Hi Graham, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mageia is made by volunteers who do this in their spare time. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course we would like to make Mageia available in every flavour of +</I>><i> every language on earth. However, there are not only many translators +</I>><i> needed to achieve that, but also packagers and developers, people who +</I>><i> know how to get those translations where they should go, so that you'll +</I>><i> see the correct translation when using your system. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The real problem is shortage of contributors. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Kind regards, +</I>><i> Marja +</I>><i> +</I>><i> CC: Oliver, the leader of i18n (translators' team) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008312.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working _fixed +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008318.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>RICHARD WALKER</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJWAV%2BG9Wc2EZrpFWNQW0OCeOzcY5EVQ5EBH18f7Qe27k-ODiA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">richard.j.walker at ntlworld.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 25 00:38:26 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008318.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008319.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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If they do not understand the mistake then they would +probably be better employed in some other work, not translation. If +they are not native English speakers then the mistake is +understandable (not acceptable, just understandable) but I do not +think that there can be any justification for a policy that says en_US +translations should be forced on en_GB users. + +Richard +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008318.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008319.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Olivier Blin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%09English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3Cm34nowg3qf.fsf%40euphor.blino.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">mageia at blino.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Jul 24 23:06:35 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008316.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008317.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Olivier Blin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%09English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3Cm31uk0g3q0.fsf%40euphor.blino.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">mageia at blino.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 25 00:47:38 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008317.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008320.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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If +</I>><i> they are not native English speakers then the mistake is +</I>><i> understandable (not acceptable, just understandable) but I do not +</I>><i> think that there can be any justification for a policy that says en_US +</I>><i> translations should be forced on en_GB users. +</I> +Right, there is no justification for that, but it's not by choice, it's +by lack of en_GB "translations". + +-- +Olivier Blin - blino +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008317.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008320.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Marek Laane</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCAC0LJT86VtmJjQKtjwSLEqPi4-agWej%3DWT_EcvVsRXz96icbCQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">bald at smail.ee + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 25 01:05:29 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008319.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008321.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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If they do not understand the mistake then they would +</I>><i> probably be better employed in some other work, not translation. If +</I>><i> they are not native English speakers then the mistake is +</I>><i> understandable (not acceptable, just understandable) but I do not +</I>><i> think that there can be any justification for a policy that says en_US +</I>><i> translations should be forced on en_GB users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Richard +</I>><i> +</I> +Well, I'm not sure I do understand at all what this discussion is about but +still do have some thoughts to share. It's nowhere established, of course, +but still almost the rule software is "written" in American English. +Therefore most projects have a dedicated translation team which +"translates" software in British English. AFAIK (and I'd be pleased to know +I'm not right) Mageia (and before Mandriva/Mandrake) sadly didn't and don't +have such team though sporadically there have been some efforts or at least +proposals ... Until there won't be en_GB translators for Mageia, all you +get if you choose en_GB are translations in en_GB for the software which +has been translated in British English (e.g. KDE or Firefox etc.) + +Marek Laane +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120725/93321f4b/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008319.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008321.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Morgan Leijström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%09English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201207250107.31141.fri%40tribun.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">fri at tribun.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 25 01:07:31 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008320.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008323.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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Despite en_BG being preferred by +most non native en speakers + + +The system source and interface must be written in *one* consistent language. + +And the fact is that the most common used language in the system is en_US + +Therefor it should be purified to *en_US* + +And all other en_* should be translations. + + + +Also read the bug linked in Marjas post + + +Or why not write all in lojban ;) + +/Morgan + + +onsdagen den 25 juli 2012 00.38.26 skrev RICHARD WALKER: +><i> I feel I must register my support for Graham's position (insofar as I +</I>><i> understand it from the précis in this thread) as I have suffered +</I>><i> almost in silence for years from the jarring effect of finding +</I>><i> mis-spellings of common words scattered willy-nilly in Mageia and +</I>><i> previously Mandriva installations. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Whilst I have come to recognise that many of these instances are in +</I>><i> fact regarded as standard usage in the written form of another +</I>><i> language (a closely related fork of my native language), I do not +</I>><i> regard that as any sort of excuse for their persistence in an +</I>><i> environment I have configured to be en_GB. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If any Mageia "translators" are changing colour to color or centre to +</I>><i> center then unless they are doing it for en_US then they are quite +</I>><i> simply mistaken. If they do not understand the mistake then they would +</I>><i> probably be better employed in some other work, not translation. If +</I>><i> they are not native English speakers then the mistake is +</I>><i> understandable (not acceptable, just understandable) but I do not +</I>><i> think that there can be any justification for a policy that says en_US +</I>><i> translations should be forced on en_GB users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Richard +</I></PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008320.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008323.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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This command need to be run under +</I>><i> > the normal user. Also the binary qdbus is provided by qt4-qtdbus +</I>><i> > package. +</I>Sorry for the delay, i'm quite busy thoses days :p + +><i> qt4-qtdbus is installed. I ran the command as anne, and it returned '0'. +</I>Which seems ok since you're not running networkmanager. +Here 0 should means « unknow » & 1 not connected. +Do you still facing issue with kmail offline status ? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>RICHARD WALKER</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJWAV%2BE7syJR-Y6EUhJQbHaCN4MRF2aAh2Ua4hMFG-LYvqhmMw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">richard.j.walker at ntlworld.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 25 04:23:25 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008321.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008325.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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Of course, any text which +would be displayed to the user I preferred to translate into English. + +Surely it is a similar problem when the "program" is a whole operating +system. If I expect my users to be of many nationalities then I would +also expect to have to do some translating. The consistency of which +you speak comes from having the translations expected by the +population of users. + +><i> And the fact is that the most common used language in the system is en_US +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Therefor it should be purified to *en_US* +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And all other en_* should be translations. +</I> +Again we seem to differ. I hope you didn't mean "purified", that's +probably just a mis-translation where something like "rationalised" or +"simplified" might have been a better choice. Where we really differ, +though, is in regarding all languages (with the exception of the US +variant of English) as being targets for translation. I would not +discriminate against our trans-atlantic cousins in that way. I would +include their language as a valid target for translation and then we +would all be equal. + +><i> +</I>><i> Also read the bug linked in Marjas post +</I>><i> +</I> +Yes, I have read it before. I even had a discussion along similar +lines a few years back on a Mandrake or Mandriva forum. It just +underlines the different approaches to the subject taken by +programmers and users (although I am sure there is some blurring round +the edges). Programmers are not necessarily linguists. Those who are +are may not have English as their native language. I suppose if we +were debating whether Castillian or Latin American Spanish should be +the default with the other requiring translation then I too might +wonder at all the fuss. Surely it couldn't matter to castellanos that +they must conform to Central & Southern America norms, could it? + +Sensitive cultural and social use of language is much too complex a +subject for people who focus on logic to understand, especially in a +foreign language. + +><i> +</I>><i> Or why not write all in lojban ;) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> /Morgan +</I> +Now you are getting the idea! Bravo. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008321.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008325.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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This command need to be run +</I>>>><i> under the normal user. Also the binary qdbus is provided by +</I>>>><i> qt4-qtdbus package. +</I>><i> Sorry for the delay, i'm quite busy thoses days :p +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> qt4-qtdbus is installed. I ran the command as anne, and it +</I>>><i> returned '0'. +</I>><i> Which seems ok since you're not running networkmanager. Here 0 +</I>><i> should means « unknow » & 1 not connected. Do you still facing +</I>><i> issue with kmail offline status ? (i mean kmail not mail dispatcher +</I>><i> alone). +</I>><i> +</I>Just tried it, and didn't see that message, so it looks as though that +has cured it. Thanks. + +Over the next few days I'll be giving KMail another try. Thunderbird +has done pretty well for me, but I still have an attachment to KMail - +and despite add-ons, there are still some things that it does better. + Some things about TBird are good though - when KMail is completely +settled I might suggest adding those features :-) + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Anne Wilson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3C500FD0C0.8060304%40kde.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">annew at kde.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 25 12:56:00 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008323.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008326.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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The consistency of which you +</I>><i> speak comes from having the translations expected by the population +</I>><i> of users. +</I>><i> +</I>Yet surely you understand when you are told that the problem is purely +a lack of manpower. Mageia would welcome en_GB translations. +Register to work on it. + +>><i> And the fact is that the most common used language in the system +</I>>><i> is en_US +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Therefor it should be purified to *en_US* +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And all other en_* should be translations. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Again we seem to differ. I hope you didn't mean "purified", that's +</I>><i> probably just a mis-translation where something like "rationalised" +</I>><i> or "simplified" might have been a better choice. +</I> +No - you are wrong. "purified" means to make one consistent language. + +><i> Where we really differ, though, is in regarding all languages (with +</I>><i> the exception of the US variant of English) as being targets for +</I>><i> translation. I would not discriminate against our trans-atlantic +</I>><i> cousins in that way. I would include their language as a valid +</I>><i> target for translation and then we would all be equal. +</I>><i> +</I>This is utterly ridiculous. There has to be a single "core" language. + That has been chosen. It is perfectly obvious that every other +language must then be a translation of the core. This has nothing to +do with discrimination. + +I am English born and bred, and 72 years old. I defend my language +whenever I think it is necessary, but your stance is not defensible. + +<snip> +><i> +</I>><i> Sensitive cultural and social use of language is much too complex +</I>><i> a subject for people who focus on logic to understand, especially +</I>><i> in a foreign language. +</I>><i> +</I>How insular can you get? No wonder the British are seen as somewhat +ridiculous. Are you seriously suggesting that an Englishman cannot +understand the word "color"? Of course not. Please do not waste +people's time like this. If you feel strongly that there should be an +en_GB translation of everything, then contribute to it. + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? Try +<A HREF="http://userbase.kde.org">http://userbase.kde.org</A> or +<A HREF="http://forum.kde.org">http://forum.kde.org</A> +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) +Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <A HREF="http://enigmail.mozdev.org/">http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</A> + +iEYEARECAAYFAlAP0L4ACgkQj93fyh4cnBfC+wCfZEeg2Qf/hASq9aeyXPdWUo/c +LSUAn3h+3Ging0aW3TFQQXongYNoZiDa +=hLmO +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008323.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008326.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6--dZrNzDx6yg%3DJZSdpKhDVFu%3DhUht1jKS8Q%3DOVrgRWA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 25 14:45:10 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008325.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008328.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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She being a +native speaker (born in Cornwall, studies in Oxford) always told us +that there is no such "official English language" as it is the case +with German (as example) where you have official dictionaries and +official orthographic and grammar rules. There are even different +schoolbooks for English in German schools (depending on the district +(Bundesland)). +A couple of decades later I had some nice discussions with an English +proofreader of computer manuals about this or that tiny bit where he +claimed that this or that sentence is wrong, and we searched the +different aknowledged dictionaries and found different possible +"correct" spellings and phrasings. + +So, standing up for "your language" in such a way, even accusing a +small group of voluntary community contributors is quite off the track +IMHO. + +BTW: I've been to England quite often, most places I have been people +talked everything else but not that "official" English you are so hard +fighting for. + +Solution: +Join the i18n team, gather other people around you and do a en_GB +translation of all the packages. These will be then implemented in +MGA3, depending on the status of completion. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008325.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008328.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Max Quarterpleen</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCABN%3DKyjO1GoJN6YaYtTLjSF%3D_hJjeyfmhtH_%3DAOLAj2noOOu4w%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">bogusman222 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 25 14:59:53 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008330.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008333.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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The consistency of which you +</I>><i> > speak comes from having the translations expected by the population +</I>><i> > of users. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> Yet surely you understand when you are told that the problem is purely +</I>><i> a lack of manpower. Mageia would welcome en_GB translations. +</I>><i> Register to work on it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >> And the fact is that the most common used language in the system +</I>><i> >> is en_US +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Therefor it should be purified to *en_US* +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> And all other en_* should be translations. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Again we seem to differ. I hope you didn't mean "purified", that's +</I>><i> > probably just a mis-translation where something like "rationalised" +</I>><i> > or "simplified" might have been a better choice. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No - you are wrong. "purified" means to make one consistent language. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Where we really differ, though, is in regarding all languages (with +</I>><i> > the exception of the US variant of English) as being targets for +</I>><i> > translation. I would not discriminate against our trans-atlantic +</I>><i> > cousins in that way. I would include their language as a valid +</I>><i> > target for translation and then we would all be equal. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> This is utterly ridiculous. There has to be a single "core" language. +</I>><i> That has been chosen. It is perfectly obvious that every other +</I>><i> language must then be a translation of the core. This has nothing to +</I>><i> do with discrimination. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I am English born and bred, and 72 years old. I defend my language +</I>><i> whenever I think it is necessary, but your stance is not defensible. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <snip> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Sensitive cultural and social use of language is much too complex +</I>><i> > a subject for people who focus on logic to understand, especially +</I>><i> > in a foreign language. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> How insular can you get? No wonder the British are seen as somewhat +</I>><i> ridiculous. Are you seriously suggesting that an Englishman cannot +</I>><i> understand the word "color"? Of course not. Please do not waste +</I>><i> people's time like this. If you feel strongly that there should be an +</I>><i> en_GB translation of everything, then contribute to it. +</I>><i> +</I> +I am so glad that Anne said that, because she is one of the few people +qualified to say what I, and probably several others, were thinking. +I grew up learning en_US, but due to one thing or another was exposed to +mainly en_GB in high school. Since I have an open mind to these things, I +taught myself en_GB spelling, grammar (which is slightly different when +spoken) and idioms. Of course I am most comfortable in en_US, but that's +not the point. The point is the mindset. This stubbornness of "how darest +thou dilute my native language with the vulgarities of another" is very +off-putting. In fact, it makes me instinctively want to retaliate in kind, +and quickly degrade to name-calling and pinching. It indicates that this +person does not really want to formulate any kind of change or anything. +No, they just want to complain. And loudly. +Rather than jump on a soap box and pontificate to a mostly indifferent +audience, why not do something about it? +We have all been saying over and over again that this was not done out of +malice, callousness or some perverted desire to errode the British +language. It was done this way to conform with well-established standards +and common practice. The only thing preventing drakx tools from having +certain British spellings is a lack of manpower. +Anybody and everybody is welcome to provide input, criticism and their own +opinion. But what makes it constructive criticism is the way it is +delivered, and what you are willing to do about it. +As they say in NY, put out or get out. The British translation for that +would be: get down from your high horse and help out or just go away. +So please, you are welcome to join the Mageia team and provide an en_GB +translation for what is missing. You are welcome to sit in silent defiance +and nurse your stubbornness. But this, this angst-driven tirade? This is +not welcome at all. It only generates more angst. + + +><i> +</I>><i> Anne +</I>><i> - -- +</I>><i> Need KDE help? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Claire Robinson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3C500FEE48.2030708%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">eeeemail at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 25 15:02:00 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008326.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008330.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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Come and help, the team hasn't really started yet so +we're just getting things set up and learning how to do it. It's a good +time to get involved! + +Thanks +Claire +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008326.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008330.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Olav Vitters</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3C20120725150209.GC3045%40bkor.dhs.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">olav at vitters.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 25 17:02:09 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008338.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008331.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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Suggest asking the GNOME en_GB team, see +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://l10n.gnome.org/.">http://l10n.gnome.org/.</A> +</I> +See <A HREF="http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-i18n/tree/en_GB/en_GB.pl">http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-i18n/tree/en_GB/en_GB.pl</A> + +-- +Regards, +Olav +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008338.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008331.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Olav Vitters</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3C20120725145809.GB3045%40bkor.dhs.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">olav at vitters.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 25 16:58:09 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008328.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008327.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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Suggest asking the GNOME en_GB team, see +<A HREF="http://l10n.gnome.org/.">http://l10n.gnome.org/.</A> + + +-- +Regards, +Olav +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008328.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008327.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Claire Robinson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3C501010A6.7030004%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">eeeemail at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 25 17:28:38 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008329.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008332.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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These will be then implemented in +</I>>>>><i> MGA3, depending on the status of completion. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Working on doing that now :) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Anybody wishing to help is more than welcome! +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Within GNOME, almost the whole en_GB is mostly automated using a script. +</I>>><i> It works on .po files IIRC. Suggest asking the GNOME en_GB team, see +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://l10n.gnome.org/.">http://l10n.gnome.org/.</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> See <A HREF="http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-i18n/tree/en_GB/en_GB.pl">http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-i18n/tree/en_GB/en_GB.pl</A> +</I>><i> +</I> +That could be a simple solution, thanks Olav +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008329.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell)</H1> + <B>Tony Blackwell</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29%20%28Tony%20Blackwell%29&In-Reply-To=%3C50103D6C.6050606%40bigpond.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell)">tablackwell at bigpond.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 25 20:39:40 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008331.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008335.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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A major strength of Mageia is our +very even-handed internationalisation, whatever the base worked from. + +en_AU short version: s/z/s/g + +tonyb +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008331.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008335.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Anne Wilson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3C50104079.6030904%40kde.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">annew at kde.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Jul 25 20:52:41 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008327.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008340.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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The point +</I>><i> is the mindset. +</I> +Long ago I read that US spelling is, in fact, much closer to 18C. +British English spelling, and that the spelling we now feel to be +correct is in fact something that has developed over the recent +centuries. That interested me. + +What really clinched things for me, though, was the concept that +writing is about communication. The one thing that matters above all, +is whether the reader understands you. Because of this, I sometimes +correct grammar, where I think a sentence as it stands leads to some +ambiguity. Beyond that, as long as the meaning is clear and the +sentence not particularly clumsy, I leave well alone. + +Wobo said that his English teacher told him that few people in Britain +speak "official" English. How true that is. I would be very +surprised to find anyone that didn't have some variations, often +showing centuries of ancestral culture. It's not accident that in +Yorkshire there are few French influences and many Norse ones. French +barons in the 11C settled much further south than this, whereas many +Scandinavians settled here. We have beautiful words like "thoil" +which no-one else understands, but for us it expresses something that +has no equivalent in "official" English. You can't thoil it if you +can afford to buy something, but you don't feel it would add +sufficient value to your life. How about all that in one word? + +T +><i> As they say in NY, put out or get out. The British translation for +</I>><i> that would be: get down from your high horse and help out or just +</I>><i> go away. +</I> +OR "Put up, or shut up" :-) + +><i> So please, you are welcome to join the Mageia team and provide an +</I>><i> en_GB translation for what is missing. You are welcome to sit in +</I>><i> silent defiance and nurse your stubbornness. But this, this +</I>><i> angst-driven tirade? This is not welcome at all. It only generates +</I>><i> more angst. +</I> +After a bad start, just relax. You will be welcomed if you do give +your effort. + +Anne + +- -- +Need KDE help? Try +<A HREF="http://userbase.kde.org">http://userbase.kde.org</A> or +<A HREF="http://forum.kde.org">http://forum.kde.org</A> +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) +Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <A HREF="http://enigmail.mozdev.org/">http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</A> + +iEYEARECAAYFAlAQQHYACgkQj93fyh4cnBdPCQCaAjmKop1teYMikbnFpX5Y5YQk +UlQAmgL15X/WlCyNqJgiU7XqMZ8yYTrw +=cLb4 +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008327.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008340.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell)</H1> + <B>bschroeder at internode.on.net</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%09English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29%20%28Tony%20Blackwell%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4222915f47e6af8c7c7c751bc45d976ec9bae867%40webmail.internode.on.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell)">bschroeder at internode.on.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 26 00:34:46 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008335.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008341.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCAPZ-hqTRkRGKLyF-%2B2DyYsdJjKe_EUiuUaej5jwrY54_wRw1SA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">juancho at mageia.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 26 00:59:49 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008346.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008338.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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The same happens with +someone learning spanish, when someone from an european country learns +spanish from Spain, he will learn a slightly different vocabulary and +a different accent than most of south/central american countries use. +The accent is the most significant and very easily will tell you if +someone learned spanish on Spain or in any other part of the world ;) + + +-- +Juancho +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008346.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008338.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%09English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201207252009.22400.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 26 02:09:22 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008337.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008329.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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Is it somewhere +</I>><i> else? +</I> + +PulseAudio Volume Control +Configuration/Profile + +You can set/change the output/speaker set-up for all detected +sound cards. + + + Charles + +- -- +"Nah," he said, eventually. "I've looked at the colours on flowers. +They're definitely built-in." +(Diggers) +- ---------------------- +Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$ +On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A> +Registered Linux user #182463 +3.4.6-tmb-server-2.mga3 x86_64 +- ---------------------- +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEARECAAYFAlAQoTkACgkQMYWkoYueEqsIrwCg6nUhmJdKNkmsOS2LE58fYzcT +qt8An2X6bX4h22VfOfb2oM7uB0eT/j0J +=iBPo +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008334.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008345.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8339">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8339">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8339">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8339">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008340.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008340.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..89be900f5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008340.html @@ -0,0 +1,154 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>TJ</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3Cjuqb13%24hv4%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">andrewsfarm at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 26 04:45:49 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008333.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008342.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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Of course I +</I>>><i> am most comfortable in en_US, but that's not the point. The point +</I>>><i> is the mindset. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Long ago I read that US spelling is, in fact, much closer to 18C. +</I>><i> British English spelling, and that the spelling we now feel to be +</I>><i> correct is in fact something that has developed over the recent +</I>><i> centuries. That interested me. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What really clinched things for me, though, was the concept that +</I>><i> writing is about communication. The one thing that matters above all, +</I>><i> is whether the reader understands you. Because of this, I sometimes +</I>><i> correct grammar, where I think a sentence as it stands leads to some +</I>><i> ambiguity. Beyond that, as long as the meaning is clear and the +</I>><i> sentence not particularly clumsy, I leave well alone. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Wobo said that his English teacher told him that few people in Britain +</I>><i> speak "official" English. How true that is. I would be very +</I>><i> surprised to find anyone that didn't have some variations, often +</I>><i> showing centuries of ancestral culture. It's not accident that in +</I>><i> Yorkshire there are few French influences and many Norse ones. French +</I>><i> barons in the 11C settled much further south than this, whereas many +</I>><i> Scandinavians settled here. We have beautiful words like "thoil" +</I>><i> which no-one else understands, but for us it expresses something that +</I>><i> has no equivalent in "official" English. You can't thoil it if you +</I>><i> can afford to buy something, but you don't feel it would add +</I>><i> sufficient value to your life. How about all that in one word? +</I>><i> +</I>Might just as well add my two cents, as we say here on our side of the +Pond. But for those who are sensitive to such things, please feel free +to convert that to the currency of your choice. + +I'm a native upstate New Yorker, something very different from those +from that downstate city that bears the same name as our state. Native +in the sense that I was born here, not that I'm a "Native-American." +(Something many of us think is one of our problems - far too many +hyphenated Americans.) I am a farmer by trade. + +The US is a strange place that often makes little sense. We drive on the +parkway, and park on the driveway, and we are arrogant enough to call +ourselves "Americans," as if the US was the only country on the two +continents. (Yes, I'm as guilty of that as the next guy. All part of the +culture.) We have several dialects, each with its own spellings of +certain words, and sometimes those from one part of the country have a +hard time understanding those from another. And add to that all the +words we've integrated from languages from all over the world - our +infamous "melting-pot" at work - and you get a hopeless mess. But it's +our mess, and we like it that way. + +BTW Anne, sorry, but to my ears "thoil" sounds like something someone +with a lisp would say when describing a planting medium. + +><i> T +</I>>><i> As they say in NY, put out or get out. The British translation for +</I>>><i> that would be: get down from your high horse and help out or just +</I>>><i> go away. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> OR "Put up, or shut up" :-) +</I>><i> +</I>I don't remember hearing Max's version in Upstate New York. The high +horse variation is older usage (My grandmother favored it. Oops. Sorry. +*favoured* it.), and Anne's version is the most common here. Another +version is "Put your money where your mouth is." + +>><i> So please, you are welcome to join the Mageia team and provide an +</I>>><i> en_GB translation for what is missing. You are welcome to sit in +</I>>><i> silent defiance and nurse your stubbornness. But this, this +</I>>><i> angst-driven tirade? This is not welcome at all. It only generates +</I>>><i> more angst. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> After a bad start, just relax. You will be welcomed if you do give +</I>><i> your effort. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Anne +</I>><i> +</I>Lord knows I can't speak for all Americans, but for my own part I could +easily adapt if British were the default language, rather than American. +I have traveled to Canada and have cruised through web sites that used +British spelling, and have felt no offense (Oops again. *offence,* isn't +it?) at seeing it. If it will help international relations, I'm more +than willing to exist with spellings that look odd to me. After a while, +I doubt they'd still look so odd. + +Heck, you can use Cockney if you want. Sounds like fun. + +TJ + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008333.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008342.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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Much of Australia had a lot of +</I>><i> Irish convicts in +</I>><i> its early days and its English bears a noticeable Irish influence +</I>><i> too, though +</I>><i> nowhere near the extent of North America. South Australia (where I +</I>><i> am from) +</I>><i> did not have this and thus South Australian English is more directly +</I>><i> descended +</I>><i> from official 19th century English English (so far as such a beast +</I>><i> can be said +</I>><i> to exist). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Brian. +</I>><i> +</I>A number of Irish migrated here as a result of the infamous Potato +Famine. Or so I've been told, anyway. My own family has some Irish +roots, and that's why they came here. Also there's some British, Scot, +and Dutch heritage in my genes. + +And apparently, while you Aussies got the Irish convicts, we got the +cops. The Irish beat cop is a cliche in many US cities, especially New York. + +TJ + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008336.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008343.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Max Quarterpleen</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCABN%3DKyiAOnoV%3DX9XGaHJmF0t4GF%3DB6s5bPzD9VCF1fboBq8ezQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">bogusman222 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 26 08:43:34 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008340.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008348.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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Since I have an open +</I>>>><i> mind to these things, I taught myself en_GB spelling, grammar +</I>>>><i> (which is slightly different when spoken) and idioms. Of course I +</I>>>><i> am most comfortable in en_US, but that's not the point. The point +</I>>>><i> is the mindset. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Long ago I read that US spelling is, in fact, much closer to 18C. +</I>>><i> British English spelling, and that the spelling we now feel to be +</I>>><i> correct is in fact something that has developed over the recent +</I>>><i> centuries. That interested me. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> What really clinched things for me, though, was the concept that +</I>>><i> writing is about communication. The one thing that matters above all, +</I>>><i> is whether the reader understands you. Because of this, I sometimes +</I>>><i> correct grammar, where I think a sentence as it stands leads to some +</I>>><i> ambiguity. Beyond that, as long as the meaning is clear and the +</I>>><i> sentence not particularly clumsy, I leave well alone. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Wobo said that his English teacher told him that few people in Britain +</I>>><i> speak "official" English. How true that is. I would be very +</I>>><i> surprised to find anyone that didn't have some variations, often +</I>>><i> showing centuries of ancestral culture. It's not accident that in +</I>>><i> Yorkshire there are few French influences and many Norse ones. French +</I>>><i> barons in the 11C settled much further south than this, whereas many +</I>>><i> Scandinavians settled here. We have beautiful words like "thoil" +</I>>><i> which no-one else understands, but for us it expresses something that +</I>>><i> has no equivalent in "official" English. You can't thoil it if you +</I>>><i> can afford to buy something, but you don't feel it would add +</I>>><i> sufficient value to your life. How about all that in one word? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Might just as well add my two cents, as we say here on our side of the +</I>><i> Pond. But for those who are sensitive to such things, please feel free to +</I>><i> convert that to the currency of your choice. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm a native upstate New Yorker, something very different from those from +</I>><i> that downstate city that bears the same name as our state. Native in the +</I>><i> sense that I was born here, not that I'm a "Native-American." (Something +</I>><i> many of us think is one of our problems - far too many hyphenated +</I>><i> Americans.) I am a farmer by trade. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The US is a strange place that often makes little sense. We drive on the +</I>><i> parkway, and park on the driveway, and we are arrogant enough to call +</I>><i> ourselves "Americans," as if the US was the only country on the two +</I>><i> continents. (Yes, I'm as guilty of that as the next guy. All part of the +</I>><i> culture.) We have several dialects, each with its own spellings of certain +</I>><i> words, and sometimes those from one part of the country have a hard time +</I>><i> understanding those from another. And add to that all the words we've +</I>><i> integrated from languages from all over the world - our infamous +</I>><i> "melting-pot" at work - and you get a hopeless mess. But it's our mess, and +</I>><i> we like it that way. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> BTW Anne, sorry, but to my ears "thoil" sounds like something someone with +</I>><i> a lisp would say when describing a planting medium. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> T +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> As they say in NY, put out or get out. The British translation for +</I>>>><i> that would be: get down from your high horse and help out or just +</I>>>><i> go away. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> OR "Put up, or shut up" :-) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I don't remember hearing Max's version in Upstate New York. The high +</I>><i> horse variation is older usage (My grandmother favored it. Oops. Sorry. +</I>><i> *favoured* it.), and Anne's version is the most common here. Another +</I>><i> version is "Put your money where your mouth is." +</I> + +When I say NY, there is of course only one thing I mean, The City. :P +And I haven't lived there for more than 20 years, so my slang might be a +bit dated. + + +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So please, you are welcome to join the Mageia team and provide an +</I>>>><i> en_GB translation for what is missing. You are welcome to sit in +</I>>>><i> silent defiance and nurse your stubbornness. But this, this +</I>>>><i> angst-driven tirade? This is not welcome at all. It only generates +</I>>>><i> more angst. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> After a bad start, just relax. You will be welcomed if you do give +</I>>><i> your effort. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Anne +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Lord knows I can't speak for all Americans, but for my own part I could +</I>><i> easily adapt if British were the default language, rather than American. I +</I>><i> have traveled to Canada and have cruised through web sites that used +</I>><i> British spelling, and have felt no offense (Oops again. *offence,* isn't +</I>><i> it?) at seeing it. If it will help international relations, I'm more than +</I>><i> willing to exist with spellings that look odd to me. After a while, I doubt +</I>><i> they'd still look so odd. +</I>><i> +</I> +That isn't even on the table for discussion. We simply cannot change the +hard-coded default language in the code. We need our original programmer to +do that, and chances are that even he won't be able to. +The discussion is about having an en_GB "translation". Basically just a .po +file that will swap out certain strings for other strings. It hasn't +happened until now because of lack of manpower. But now it looks like an +en_GB i18n team is getting off the ground. So we'll probably see it +implemented by Mga3. Although due to the emotions involved, there may be a +backport for it for Mga2. +Please note: I am not on any i18n, packaging, devel or QA team. Therefore +any speculations I make about when something will be available are purely +that: speculations. + + +><i> +</I>><i> Heck, you can use Cockney if you want. Sounds like fun. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> TJ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120726/8193ef6a/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008340.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell)</H1> + <B>Max Quarterpleen</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29%20%28Tony%20Blackwell%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCABN%3DKyj_v2iMfqNH9m_LSVYv_DuYEkzDUr7%3DHMmZi1EM%3DchOJA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell)">bogusman222 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 26 08:47:30 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008341.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008344.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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Much of Australia had a lot of +</I>>><i> Irish convicts in +</I>>><i> its early days and its English bears a noticeable Irish influence +</I>>><i> too, though +</I>>><i> nowhere near the extent of North America. South Australia (where I +</I>>><i> am from) +</I>>><i> did not have this and thus South Australian English is more directly +</I>>><i> descended +</I>>><i> from official 19th century English English (so far as such a beast +</I>>><i> can be said +</I>>><i> to exist). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Brian. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> A number of Irish migrated here as a result of the infamous Potato +</I>><i> Famine. Or so I've been told, anyway. My own family has some Irish roots, +</I>><i> and that's why they came here. Also there's some British, Scot, and Dutch +</I>><i> heritage in my genes. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Now this is what I love. +How an innocuous discussion about translations and UX turns into a global +history and etymology discussion. +Only in Mageia :) + + +><i> And apparently, while you Aussies got the Irish convicts, we got the cops. +</I>><i> The Irish beat cop is a cliche in many US cities, especially New York. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> TJ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120726/4f7e55dd/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008341.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008344.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell)</H1> + <B>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%09English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29%20%28Tony%20Blackwell%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201207260605.20715.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell)">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 26 12:05:20 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008343.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008347.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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Is it +</I>>><i> somewhere else? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> PulseAudio Volume Control Configuration/Profile +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You can set/change the output/speaker set-up for all detected sound +</I>><i> cards. +</I>><i> +</I>Something seems to be wrong here. I have lots of packages related to +PA installed, including the utils package, but still I can't get this +control. Trying to run pavucontrol brings + +(pavucontrol:14799): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_main_quit: assertion +`main_loops != NULL' failed + +Any idea what I'm missing? + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>Anne Wilson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3C50112289.8050907%40kde.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">annew at kde.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 26 12:57:13 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008348.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008337.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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But it's our mess, and we like it that way. +</I>><i> +</I>Equally true of en_GB - we like our own mess, but we shouldn't inflict +on others anything that could confuse them. + +><i> BTW Anne, sorry, but to my ears "thoil" sounds like something +</I>><i> someone with a lisp would say when describing a planting medium. +</I> +Haha! Still, you have to admit that having a single word that implies +so much is useful :-) + +>>><i> As they say in NY, put out or get out. The British translation +</I>>>><i> for that would be: get down from your high horse and help out +</I>>>><i> or just go away. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> OR "Put up, or shut up" :-) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I don't remember hearing Max's version in Upstate New York. The +</I>><i> high horse variation is older usage (My grandmother favored it. +</I>><i> Oops. Sorry. *favoured* it.), and Anne's version is the most common +</I>><i> here. Another version is "Put your money where your mouth is." +</I>><i> +</I>Agreed - often used here. + +>>><i> So please, you are welcome to join the Mageia team and provide +</I>>>><i> an en_GB translation for what is missing. You are welcome to +</I>>>><i> sit in silent defiance and nurse your stubbornness. But this, +</I>>>><i> this angst-driven tirade? This is not welcome at all. It only +</I>>>><i> generates more angst. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> After a bad start, just relax. You will be welcomed if you do +</I>>><i> give your effort. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Anne +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Lord knows I can't speak for all Americans, but for my own part I +</I>><i> could easily adapt if British were the default language, rather +</I>><i> than American. I have traveled to Canada and have cruised through +</I>><i> web sites that used British spelling, and have felt no offense +</I>><i> (Oops again. *offence,* isn't it?) at seeing it. If it will help +</I>><i> international relations, I'm more than willing to exist with +</I>><i> spellings that look odd to me. After a while, I doubt they'd still +</I>><i> look so odd. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Heck, you can use Cockney if you want. Sounds like fun. +</I> +There I draw the line :-D Much of Cockney rhyming slang was +deliberate to avoid outsiders understanding a conversation, even down +to reversing words, such as 'yobs' for 'boys'. + +I enjoy diversions into language like this, but of course the crux of +the matter in this context is that we all agree that clarity counts +most, and a little give-and-take always helps. + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell)</H1> + <B>TJ</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29%20%28Tony%20Blackwell%29&In-Reply-To=%3Cjured3%24htd%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell)">andrewsfarm at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 26 14:49:40 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008344.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(about American English in Mageia for British users)</H1> + <B>TJ</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20What%20is%20your%20motivation%3F%20%28about%20American%0A%20English%20in%20Mageia%20for%20British%20users%29&In-Reply-To=%3Cjureq7%24nak%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users)">andrewsfarm at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Jul 26 14:56:31 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008342.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008346.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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But it's the cross we Upstaters are forced to +bear... + + +><i> Lord knows I can't speak for all Americans, but for my own part I +</I>><i> could easily adapt if British were the default language, rather than +</I>><i> American. I have traveled to Canada and have cruised through web +</I>><i> sites that used British spelling, and have felt no offense (Oops +</I>><i> again. *offence,* isn't it?) at seeing it. If it will help +</I>><i> international relations, I'm more than willing to exist with +</I>><i> spellings that look odd to me. After a while, I doubt they'd still +</I>><i> look so odd. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That isn't even on the table for discussion. We simply cannot change the +</I>><i> hard-coded default language in the code. We need our original programmer +</I>><i> to do that, and chances are that even he won't be able to. +</I>><i> The discussion is about having an en_GB "translation". +</I> +OK, but do we really have to be so serious about it? I need a little fun +in my life from time to time so I remain sane. + +TJ + + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008342.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008346.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? 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(and +those versions don't have feedback enabled by default at all...) (for good +reason). + +Still, the numbers are completely wrong, and therefor, i urge all of you to +load the feedback plugin for all servers you manage! so that these statistics +can better influence both MariaDB and Mageia. + +How to enable feedback plugin? easy: + +1. install mariadb-feedback package +2. load it in your config file, by adding it to your plugin-load line: + +(in /etc/my.cnf ) + +plugin_dir=/usr/lib64/mysql/plugin +plugin-load=ha_archive.so;ha_blackhole.so;ha_federatedx.so;feedback.so + +3. if possible, if you're using KDE, your akonadi also uses mariadb. so you +can add this to your akonadi mariadb config file too, in mysqld section: + +(in ~/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf ) + +[mysqld] +plugin_dir=/usr/lib64/mysql/plugin +plugin-load=feedback.so + +then restart akonadi with (akonadictl restart) + + + +thanks in advance, + +AL13N (mageia mariadb maintainer) +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008345.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008350.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8349">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8349">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8349">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8349">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008350.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008350.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1ccb8efdb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008350.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MariaDB%20usage%20statistics&In-Reply-To=%3C50124D0F.5050008%40eesti.ee%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Please give more details. + + +-- +Regards, +Olav +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008354.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008357.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8355">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8355">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8355">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8355">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008356.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008356.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..28530ee81 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008356.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MariaDB%20usage%20statistics&In-Reply-To=%3C532e48956a76357ba33100ceaa010c17.squirrel%40mail.rmail.be%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008352.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008353.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics</H1> + <B>AL13N</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20MariaDB%20usage%20statistics&In-Reply-To=%3C532e48956a76357ba33100ceaa010c17.squirrel%40mail.rmail.be%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics">alien at rmail.be + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 30 13:21:05 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008352.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008353.html">[Mageia-discuss] parallel port not found +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8356">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8356">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8356">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8356">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> Le vendredi 27 juillet 2012 11:10:55 Sander Lepik a écrit : +</I>>><i> 27.07.2012 10:47, AL13N kirjutas: +</I>>><i> > [...] +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > plugin_dir=/usr/lib64/mysql/plugin +</I>>><i> > plugin-load=ha_archive.so;ha_blackhole.so;ha_federatedx.so;feedback.so +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > [...] +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > [mysqld] +</I>>><i> > plugin_dir=/usr/lib64/mysql/plugin +</I>>><i> > plugin-load=feedback.so +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And if you happen to have 32-bit system then change lib64 to lib in the +</I>>><i> lines above :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The plugin_dir is not « automatically » detected ? +</I> +I'm unsure about akonadi setup. since it's not mentioned in their config +and it is mentioned in the default regular config. + +maybe it doesn't even use any plugins... +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008352.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008353.html">[Mageia-discuss] parallel port not found +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8356">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8356">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8356">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8356">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008357.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008357.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9ad991492 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008357.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20GNOME%20System%20Settings%20missing&In-Reply-To=%3CCAGvW9Wcvum57OKGw%2Bx95pgk%2B9E7meL-LVG26GvcQEhpuzHPeKA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008355.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008358.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing</H1> + <B>Michael Hill</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20GNOME%20System%20Settings%20missing&In-Reply-To=%3CCAGvW9Wcvum57OKGw%2Bx95pgk%2B9E7meL-LVG26GvcQEhpuzHPeKA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing">mdhillca at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 30 17:31:57 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008355.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008358.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8357">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8357">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8357">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8357">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi Olav, + +On Jul 29, 2012 8:07 PM, "Olav Vitters" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">olav at vitters.nl</A>> wrote: + +><i> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 07:49:20PM -0400, Michael Hill wrote: +</I>><i> > I'm running Cauldron and just performed the UsrMove procedure to +</I>><i> > permit installation of updates for the first time in a number of days. +</I>><i> > Still, System Settings have not been runnable from the user menu for +</I>><i> > many weeks. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Works for me. Please give more details. +</I> +My user menu has been messed up since Cauldron restarted... missing items, +different order. I noticed a few weeks ago Suspend was missing and Power +Off was in the middle of the menu. Now it's at the bottom where it belongs +and Suspend is accessible with the Alt key (Suspend no longer works the way +it once did, but now drains the battery). + +About two weeks ago my video driver was killed by an update, so I got the +GDM background with the progress spinner but no GNOME Shell. Updating from +the console corrected this after a few days. + +The System Settings menu pick until recently would try to start from the +menu, displaying "System Settings" in the app menu position on the top bar +but failing. Now it doesn't even try *that* hard, it just doesn't do +anything. I would have sworn it could once be launched from the command +line, but now it's unrecognized. + +Is there some way to wipe out my configuration and start from scratch? By +re-installing a package, maybe? Otherwise let me know what kind of output +is needed to diagnose. + +Thanks, + +Mike +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120730/32f0b89e/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008355.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008358.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8357">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8357">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8357">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8357">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008358.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008358.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..96a4e1cdb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008358.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20GNOME%20System%20Settings%20missing&In-Reply-To=%3C20120730161145.GC2547%40bkor.dhs.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008357.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008359.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing</H1> + <B>Olav Vitters</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20GNOME%20System%20Settings%20missing&In-Reply-To=%3C20120730161145.GC2547%40bkor.dhs.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing">olav at vitters.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 30 18:11:45 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008357.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008359.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8358">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8358">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8358">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8358">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Michael Hill wrote: +><i> Hi Olav, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On Jul 29, 2012 8:07 PM, "Olav Vitters" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">olav at vitters.nl</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 07:49:20PM -0400, Michael Hill wrote: +</I>><i> > > I'm running Cauldron and just performed the UsrMove procedure to +</I>><i> > > permit installation of updates for the first time in a number of days. +</I>><i> > > Still, System Settings have not been runnable from the user menu for +</I>><i> > > many weeks. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Works for me. Please give more details. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My user menu has been messed up since Cauldron restarted... missing items, +</I>><i> different order. I noticed a few weeks ago Suspend was missing and Power +</I>><i> Off was in the middle of the menu. Now it's at the bottom where it belongs +</I>><i> and Suspend is accessible with the Alt key (Suspend no longer works the way +</I>><i> it once did, but now drains the battery). +</I> +Those are upstream changes. + +><i> About two weeks ago my video driver was killed by an update, so I got the +</I>><i> GDM background with the progress spinner but no GNOME Shell. Updating from +</I>><i> the console corrected this after a few days. +</I> +Hmm. + +><i> The System Settings menu pick until recently would try to start from the +</I>><i> menu, displaying "System Settings" in the app menu position on the top bar +</I>><i> but failing. Now it doesn't even try *that* hard, it just doesn't do +</I>><i> anything. I would have sworn it could once be launched from the command +</I>><i> line, but now it's unrecognized. +</I> +Can you start it from the Activities bit? + +Could you post the output of ~/.cache/gdm/session.log ? This is the new +~/.xsession-errors. Please check if there are privacy related things in +there before posting. + +><i> Is there some way to wipe out my configuration and start from scratch? By +</I>><i> re-installing a package, maybe? Otherwise let me know what kind of output +</I>><i> is needed to diagnose. +</I> +Do you have gnome-control-center? I'd like to figure out what is wrong +before wiping configurations. This kind of problem should not occur, +plus might occur for other people.. so if you have time, I'd like to +find the cause. + +-- +Regards, +Olav +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008357.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008359.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8358">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8358">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8358">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8358">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008359.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008359.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b30949a8c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008359.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20GNOME%20System%20Settings%20missing&In-Reply-To=%3CCAGvW9Wch4OxjR7CYh47zF%2B%2BMOf-o-85Zje3%2B_cYNKv-tn2ygWw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008358.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008360.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing</H1> + <B>Michael Hill</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20GNOME%20System%20Settings%20missing&In-Reply-To=%3CCAGvW9Wch4OxjR7CYh47zF%2B%2BMOf-o-85Zje3%2B_cYNKv-tn2ygWw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing">mdhillca at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Jul 31 02:35:31 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008358.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008360.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help needed on mediawiki +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8359">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8359">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8359">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8359">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Olav Vitters <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">olav at vitters.nl</A>> wrote: + +>><i> My user menu has been messed up since Cauldron restarted... missing items, +</I>>><i> different order. I noticed a few weeks ago Suspend was missing and Power +</I>>><i> Off was in the middle of the menu. Now it's at the bottom where it belongs +</I>>><i> and Suspend is accessible with the Alt key (Suspend no longer works the way +</I>>><i> it once did, but now drains the battery). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Those are upstream changes. +</I> +Right, I read about them. Online Accounts is missing too. + +><i> Can you start it from the Activities bit? +</I> +It's not there. + +><i> Do you have gnome-control-center? +</I> +I did not... I just installed it and it works. Uninstalled or not +upgraded at some point because of a missing dependency? Thanks! + +Mike +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008358.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008360.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help needed on mediawiki +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8359">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8359">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8359">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8359">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008360.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008360.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bfbaac13b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008360.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Help needed on mediawiki + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Help%20needed%20on%20mediawiki&In-Reply-To=%3C50181ED7.4060102%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008359.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Help needed on mediawiki</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Help%20needed%20on%20mediawiki&In-Reply-To=%3C50181ED7.4060102%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Help needed on mediawiki">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008359.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8360">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8360">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8360">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8360">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Our current mediawiki package in cauldron/core/updates_testing isn't +working due to changes in mediawiki. + +As I don't have time right now, it would be great if someone could help. +We do need that update for the translate extension we want to use on our +wiki. + +So, if you have php knowledge, some time on your hand and you would like +to play arround a bit, please do! + +Thanks, + +Oliver + +-- +Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca + +Mageia contributor +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008359.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8360">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8360">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8360">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8360">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bca4928fd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,1357 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss July 2012 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>July 2012 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Jul 1 07:04:07 CEST 2012</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 262<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="008229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8229"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8231"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008245.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8245"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008252.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8252"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008273.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8273"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008282.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012 +</A><A NAME="8282"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008287.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8287"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008294.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8294"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008303.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8303"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008349.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8349"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008356.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8356"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008277.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8277"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008280.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8280"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008290.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8290"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008293.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8293"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008298.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8298"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008111.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8111"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8136"> </A> +<I>John Balcaen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8137"> </A> +<I>John Balcaen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008337.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8337"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008192.html">[Mageia-discuss] LWN and Mageia +</A><A NAME="8192"> </A> +<I>Tony Blackwell +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008332.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8332"> </A> +<I>Tony Blackwell +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008353.html">[Mageia-discuss] parallel port not found +</A><A NAME="8353"> </A> +<I>Tony Blackwell +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008318.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8318"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008319.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8319"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008145.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8145"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008149.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8149"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8171"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8207"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008209.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8209"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8212"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8224"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8243"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8254"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008268.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8268"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008275.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8275"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008326.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8326"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A><A NAME="8183"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8225"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008276.html">[Mageia-discuss] FrOSCon 2012 +</A><A NAME="8276"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008360.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help needed on mediawiki +</A><A NAME="8360"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8120"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008129.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8129"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8131"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008194.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8194"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008339.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup? +</A><A NAME="8339"> </A> +<I>Charles A Edwards +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008119.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A><A NAME="8119"> </A> +<I>Shlomi Fish +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A><A NAME="8220"> </A> +<I>Flipper +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A><A NAME="8238"> </A> +<I>Flipper +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008103.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A><A NAME="8103"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008162.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A><A NAME="8162"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008198.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8198"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8215"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8132"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008133.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8133"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino - avrlib +</A><A NAME="8184"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8228"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008271.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8271"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008157.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A><A NAME="8157"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008354.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8354"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008357.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8357"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008359.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8359"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008144.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8144"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008158.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8158"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008274.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8274"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008351.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8351"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8113"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008302.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8302"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008304.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8304"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008306.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8306"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008308.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8308"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008310.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8310"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008314.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8314"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008322.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8322"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008352.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8352"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8175"> </A> +<I>James Kerr +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008320.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8320"> </A> +<I>Marek Laane +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8100"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8104"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8106"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8108"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008112.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8112"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8165"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8167"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8169"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008211.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8211"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008143.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8143"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? +</A><A NAME="8181"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8223"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008301.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A><A NAME="8301"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008321.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8321"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008350.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8350"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008196.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8196"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8234"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8237"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8244"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008253.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8253"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8256"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8257"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008259.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8259"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008261.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8261"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008264.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8264"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008267.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8267"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008269.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8269"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008213.html">[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM +</A><A NAME="8213"> </A> +<I>Marianne Lombard +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008163.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8163"> </A> +<I>Alejandro Lopez +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008270.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8270"> </A> +<I>Doug Lytle +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008272.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8272"> </A> +<I>Doug Lytle +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008148.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8148"> </A> +<I>Alejandro López +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008139.html">[Mageia-discuss] "new look" of the wiki Mageia and "navigation bar" +</A><A NAME="8139"> </A> +<I>Macxi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008141.html">[Mageia-discuss] "new look" of the wiki Mageia and "navigation bar" +</A><A NAME="8141"> </A> +<I>Macxi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008099.html">[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu +</A><A NAME="8099"> </A> +<I>Norbert Marchl +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008255.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8255"> </A> +<I>Norbert Marchl +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8258"> </A> +<I>Norbert Marchl +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008260.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8260"> </A> +<I>Norbert Marchl +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8177"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008186.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8186"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8107"> </A> +<I>Anne Nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8221"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008283.html">[Mageia-discuss] File association query +</A><A NAME="8283"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008335.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8335"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008338.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8338"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008344.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8344"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008210.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8210"> </A> +<I>Simon Parsons +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008142.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8142"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008146.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8146"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008147.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8147"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008159.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8159"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008161.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8161"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008187.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8187"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008226.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8226"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8248"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008247.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8247"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008295.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8295"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008297.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8297"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008117.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A><A NAME="8117"> </A> +<I>Luan Pham +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? +</A><A NAME="8179"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A><A NAME="8182"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008185.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A><A NAME="8185"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008311.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working +</A><A NAME="8311"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008312.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working _fixed +</A><A NAME="8312"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8222"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8227"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008327.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8327"> </A> +<I>Max Quarterpleen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008342.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8342"> </A> +<I>Max Quarterpleen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008343.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8343"> </A> +<I>Max Quarterpleen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8128"> </A> +<I>Vinet Raphaël +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8138"> </A> +<I>Vinet Raphaël +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8166"> </A> +<I>Jeff Robins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008170.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8170"> </A> +<I>Jeff Robins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8173"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8174"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8180"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008281.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8281"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008284.html">[Mageia-discuss] File association query +</A><A NAME="8284"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008291.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8291"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008292.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8292"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008328.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8328"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008331.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8331"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008156.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A><A NAME="8156"> </A> +<I>Reinout van Schouwen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A><A NAME="8188"> </A> +<I>Reinout van Schouwen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008299.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A><A NAME="8299"> </A> +<I>Sebastian +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008172.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8172"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008191.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8191"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8197"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008200.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8200"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008204.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8204"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8230"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8242"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008266.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8266"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008305.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interaction with bugzilla +</A><A NAME="8305"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008109.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8109"> </A> +<I>Donald Stewart +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8115"> </A> +<I>Donald Stewart +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008116.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A><A NAME="8116"> </A> +<I>Chopin Sébastien +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8178"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008340.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8340"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008341.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8341"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008347.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8347"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008348.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8348"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008155.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8155"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008285.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8285"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008289.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8289"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008330.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8330"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008329.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8329"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008355.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8355"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008358.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8358"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A><A NAME="8232"> </A> +<I>RICHARD WALKER +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008317.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8317"> </A> +<I>RICHARD WALKER +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008323.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8323"> </A> +<I>RICHARD WALKER +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8122"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8124"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008123.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8123"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8125"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8150"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008152.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8152"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008154.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8154"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8176"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8189"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8193"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008195.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8195"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008206.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8206"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008208.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8208"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008219.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8219"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8233"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8235"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8236"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8250"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008251.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8251"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008263.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8263"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008265.html">[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM (RMLL) +</A><A NAME="8265"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008316.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8316"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8127"> </A> +<I>David Walser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8134"> </A> +<I>David Walser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8135"> </A> +<I>David Walser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8102"> </A> +<I>Funda Wang +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008286.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8286"> </A> +<I>Funda Wang +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008288.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8288"> </A> +<I>Funda Wang +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008241.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8241"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008249.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8249"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu +</A><A NAME="8105"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008126.html">[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu +</A><A NAME="8126"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008214.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8214"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8216"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008217.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8217"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8218"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008262.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8262"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008278.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8278"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008279.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8279"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008300.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8300"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008307.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8307"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008309.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8309"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008313.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8313"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008315.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8315"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008324.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8324"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008325.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8325"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008333.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8333"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008334.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup? +</A><A NAME="8334"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008345.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup? +</A><A NAME="8345"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008346.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8346"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008140.html">[Mageia-discuss] "new look" of the wiki Mageia and "navigation bar" +</A><A NAME="8140"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008160.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8160"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008164.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8164"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008168.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8168"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008199.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8199"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008201.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8201"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008202.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8202"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008203.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8203"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008205.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8205"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8240"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008246.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8246"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008296.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8296"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008151.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8151"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008153.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8153"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008336.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8336"> </A> +<I>bschroeder at internode.on.net +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8101"> </A> +<I>isadora +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008114.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8114"> </A> +<I>isadora +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008190.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8190"> </A> +<I>isadora +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008239.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8239"> </A> +<I>peter f miller +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008110.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8110"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008118.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A><A NAME="8118"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8121"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008130.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8130"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:35 CEST 2012</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/date.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/date.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..796ce03cc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/date.html @@ -0,0 +1,1357 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss July 2012 Archive by date</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>July 2012 Archives by date</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Jul 1 07:04:07 CEST 2012</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 262<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="008099.html">[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu +</A><A NAME="8099"> </A> +<I>Norbert Marchl +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8100"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8101"> </A> +<I>isadora +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8102"> </A> +<I>Funda Wang +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008103.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A><A NAME="8103"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8104"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu +</A><A NAME="8105"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8106"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8107"> </A> +<I>Anne Nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8108"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008109.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8109"> </A> +<I>Donald Stewart +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008110.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8110"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008111.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8111"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008112.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8112"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8113"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008114.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8114"> </A> +<I>isadora +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8115"> </A> +<I>Donald Stewart +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008116.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A><A NAME="8116"> </A> +<I>Chopin Sébastien +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008117.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A><A NAME="8117"> </A> +<I>Luan Pham +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008118.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A><A NAME="8118"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008119.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A><A NAME="8119"> </A> +<I>Shlomi Fish +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8120"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8121"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8122"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8124"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008123.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8123"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8125"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008126.html">[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu +</A><A NAME="8126"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8127"> </A> +<I>David Walser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8128"> </A> +<I>Vinet Raphaël +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008129.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8129"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008130.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8130"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8131"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8132"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008133.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8133"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8134"> </A> +<I>David Walser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8135"> </A> +<I>David Walser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8136"> </A> +<I>John Balcaen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8137"> </A> +<I>John Balcaen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8138"> </A> +<I>Vinet Raphaël +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008139.html">[Mageia-discuss] "new look" of the wiki Mageia and "navigation bar" +</A><A NAME="8139"> </A> +<I>Macxi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008140.html">[Mageia-discuss] "new look" of the wiki Mageia and "navigation bar" +</A><A NAME="8140"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008141.html">[Mageia-discuss] "new look" of the wiki Mageia and "navigation bar" +</A><A NAME="8141"> </A> +<I>Macxi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008142.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8142"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008143.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8143"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008144.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8144"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008146.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8146"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008145.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8145"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008147.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8147"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008148.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8148"> </A> +<I>Alejandro López +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008149.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8149"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8150"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008151.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8151"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008152.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8152"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008153.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8153"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008154.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8154"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008155.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8155"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008156.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A><A NAME="8156"> </A> +<I>Reinout van Schouwen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008157.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A><A NAME="8157"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008158.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8158"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008159.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8159"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008160.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8160"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008161.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8161"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008162.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A><A NAME="8162"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008163.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8163"> </A> +<I>Alejandro Lopez +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008164.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8164"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8165"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8166"> </A> +<I>Jeff Robins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8167"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008168.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8168"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8169"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008170.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8170"> </A> +<I>Jeff Robins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8171"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008172.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8172"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8173"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8174"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8175"> </A> +<I>James Kerr +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8176"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8177"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8178"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? +</A><A NAME="8179"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8180"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? +</A><A NAME="8181"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A><A NAME="8182"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A><A NAME="8183"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino - avrlib +</A><A NAME="8184"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008185.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A><A NAME="8185"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008186.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8186"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008187.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8187"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A><A NAME="8188"> </A> +<I>Reinout van Schouwen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8189"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008190.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8190"> </A> +<I>isadora +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008196.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8196"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008191.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8191"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008192.html">[Mageia-discuss] LWN and Mageia +</A><A NAME="8192"> </A> +<I>Tony Blackwell +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8193"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008194.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8194"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008195.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8195"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8197"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008198.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8198"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008199.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8199"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008200.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8200"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008201.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8201"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008202.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8202"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008203.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8203"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008204.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8204"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008205.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8205"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008206.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8206"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8207"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008208.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8208"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008209.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8209"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008210.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8210"> </A> +<I>Simon Parsons +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008211.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8211"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8212"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008213.html">[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM +</A><A NAME="8213"> </A> +<I>Marianne Lombard +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008214.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8214"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8215"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8216"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008217.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8217"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8218"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008219.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8219"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A><A NAME="8220"> </A> +<I>Flipper +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8221"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008226.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8226"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8222"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8223"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8224"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8225"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8227"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8228"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8229"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8230"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8231"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A><A NAME="8232"> </A> +<I>RICHARD WALKER +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8233"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8234"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8235"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8236"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8237"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A><A NAME="8238"> </A> +<I>Flipper +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008239.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8239"> </A> +<I>peter f miller +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8240"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008241.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8241"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8242"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8243"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8244"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008245.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8245"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008246.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8246"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8248"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008247.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8247"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008249.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8249"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8250"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008251.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8251"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008252.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8252"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008253.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8253"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8254"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008255.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8255"> </A> +<I>Norbert Marchl +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8256"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8257"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8258"> </A> +<I>Norbert Marchl +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008259.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8259"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008260.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8260"> </A> +<I>Norbert Marchl +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008261.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8261"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008262.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8262"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008263.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8263"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008264.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8264"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008265.html">[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM (RMLL) +</A><A NAME="8265"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008266.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8266"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008267.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8267"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008268.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8268"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008269.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8269"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008270.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8270"> </A> +<I>Doug Lytle +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008271.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8271"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008272.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8272"> </A> +<I>Doug Lytle +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008273.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8273"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008274.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8274"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008275.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8275"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008276.html">[Mageia-discuss] FrOSCon 2012 +</A><A NAME="8276"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008277.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8277"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008278.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8278"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008279.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8279"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008280.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8280"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008281.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8281"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008282.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012 +</A><A NAME="8282"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008283.html">[Mageia-discuss] File association query +</A><A NAME="8283"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008284.html">[Mageia-discuss] File association query +</A><A NAME="8284"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008285.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8285"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008286.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8286"> </A> +<I>Funda Wang +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008287.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8287"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008288.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8288"> </A> +<I>Funda Wang +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008289.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8289"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008290.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8290"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008291.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8291"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008292.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8292"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008293.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8293"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008294.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8294"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008295.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8295"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008296.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8296"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008297.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8297"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008298.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8298"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008299.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A><A NAME="8299"> </A> +<I>Sebastian +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008300.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8300"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008301.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A><A NAME="8301"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008302.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8302"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008303.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8303"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008304.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8304"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008305.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interaction with bugzilla +</A><A NAME="8305"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008306.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8306"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008307.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8307"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008308.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8308"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008309.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8309"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008310.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8310"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008311.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working +</A><A NAME="8311"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008312.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working _fixed +</A><A NAME="8312"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008313.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8313"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008314.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8314"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008315.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8315"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008316.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8316"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008318.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8318"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008317.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8317"> </A> +<I>RICHARD WALKER +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008319.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8319"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008320.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8320"> </A> +<I>Marek Laane +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008321.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8321"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008322.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8322"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008323.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8323"> </A> +<I>RICHARD WALKER +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008324.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8324"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008325.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8325"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008326.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8326"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008327.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8327"> </A> +<I>Max Quarterpleen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008328.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8328"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008330.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8330"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008329.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8329"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008331.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8331"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008332.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8332"> </A> +<I>Tony Blackwell +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008333.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8333"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008335.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8335"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008334.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup? +</A><A NAME="8334"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008336.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8336"> </A> +<I>bschroeder at internode.on.net +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008337.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8337"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008338.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8338"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008339.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup? +</A><A NAME="8339"> </A> +<I>Charles A Edwards +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008340.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8340"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008341.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8341"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008342.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8342"> </A> +<I>Max Quarterpleen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008343.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8343"> </A> +<I>Max Quarterpleen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008344.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8344"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008345.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup? +</A><A NAME="8345"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008346.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8346"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008347.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8347"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008348.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8348"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008349.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8349"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008350.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8350"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008351.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8351"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008352.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8352"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008353.html">[Mageia-discuss] parallel port not found +</A><A NAME="8353"> </A> +<I>Tony Blackwell +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008354.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8354"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008355.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8355"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008356.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8356"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008357.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8357"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008358.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8358"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008359.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8359"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008360.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help needed on mediawiki +</A><A NAME="8360"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:35 CEST 2012</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +thread.html
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Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8197"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008200.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8200"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008201.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8201"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008204.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8204"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008205.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8205"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8223"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8229"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8230"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8231"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8242"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8248"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008247.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8247"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8189"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008190.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8190"> </A> +<I>isadora +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008196.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8196"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8193"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008194.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8194"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008195.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8195"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008198.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8198"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008202.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8202"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008206.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8206"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8207"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008208.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8208"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008209.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8209"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008210.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8210"> </A> +<I>Simon Parsons +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008211.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8211"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8212"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008214.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8214"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8215"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8216"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008217.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8217"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8218"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008219.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8219"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8224"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8228"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8235"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008239.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8239"> </A> +<I>peter f miller +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8240"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8250"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008266.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8266"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8233"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8234"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8236"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8237"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8243"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8244"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008251.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8251"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008253.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8253"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8254"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008255.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8255"> </A> +<I>Norbert Marchl +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8256"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8257"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8258"> </A> +<I>Norbert Marchl +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008259.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8259"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008260.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8260"> </A> +<I>Norbert Marchl +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008261.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8261"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008262.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8262"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008263.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8263"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008264.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8264"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008267.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8267"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008268.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8268"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008269.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8269"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008274.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8274"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008275.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8275"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008278.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8278"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8120"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8121"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8122"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8124"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008123.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8123"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8125"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8127"> </A> +<I>David Walser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008129.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8129"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008130.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8130"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8131"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8132"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008133.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8133"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8134"> </A> +<I>David Walser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008286.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8286"> </A> +<I>Funda Wang +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008287.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8287"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008288.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8288"> </A> +<I>Funda Wang +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008289.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8289"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008283.html">[Mageia-discuss] File association query +</A><A NAME="8283"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008284.html">[Mageia-discuss] File association query +</A><A NAME="8284"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008276.html">[Mageia-discuss] FrOSCon 2012 +</A><A NAME="8276"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008354.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8354"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008355.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8355"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008357.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8357"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008358.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8358"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008359.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8359"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008360.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help needed on mediawiki +</A><A NAME="8360"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008277.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8277"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008279.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8279"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008280.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8280"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008281.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8281"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008311.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working +</A><A NAME="8311"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008312.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working _fixed +</A><A NAME="8312"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008305.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interaction with bugzilla +</A><A NAME="8305"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008299.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A><A NAME="8299"> </A> +<I>Sebastian +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008301.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A><A NAME="8301"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008300.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8300"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008302.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8302"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008303.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8303"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008304.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8304"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008306.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8306"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008307.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8307"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008308.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8308"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008309.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8309"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008310.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8310"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008313.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8313"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008314.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8314"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008315.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8315"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008322.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8322"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008324.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8324"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8135"> </A> +<I>David Walser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8138"> </A> +<I>Vinet Raphaël +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8128"> </A> +<I>Vinet Raphaël +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8136"> </A> +<I>John Balcaen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8137"> </A> +<I>John Balcaen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008192.html">[Mageia-discuss] LWN and Mageia +</A><A NAME="8192"> </A> +<I>Tony Blackwell +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008349.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8349"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008350.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8350"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008351.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8351"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008352.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8352"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008356.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8356"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008145.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8145"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008148.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8148"> </A> +<I>Alejandro López +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008149.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8149"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008163.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8163"> </A> +<I>Alejandro Lopez +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008117.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A><A NAME="8117"> </A> +<I>Luan Pham +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008118.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A><A NAME="8118"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008119.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A><A NAME="8119"> </A> +<I>Shlomi Fish +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008270.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8270"> </A> +<I>Doug Lytle +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008271.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8271"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008272.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8272"> </A> +<I>Doug Lytle +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008273.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8273"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008353.html">[Mageia-discuss] parallel port not found +</A><A NAME="8353"> </A> +<I>Tony Blackwell +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008142.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8142"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008143.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8143"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008144.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8144"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008146.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8146"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008147.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8147"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008158.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8158"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008159.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8159"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008160.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8160"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008161.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8161"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008164.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8164"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008187.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8187"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008199.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8199"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008203.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8203"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008226.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8226"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008285.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8285"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008295.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8295"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008296.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8296"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008297.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8297"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8100"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8101"> </A> +<I>isadora +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8102"> </A> +<I>Funda Wang +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8104"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8106"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8107"> </A> +<I>Anne Nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8108"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008109.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8109"> </A> +<I>Donald Stewart +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008110.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8110"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008111.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8111"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008112.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8112"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8113"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008114.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8114"> </A> +<I>isadora +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8115"> </A> +<I>Donald Stewart +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8173"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8174"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8175"> </A> +<I>James Kerr +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8176"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8177"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8178"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8180"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008186.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8186"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8221"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8222"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8225"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8227"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008156.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A><A NAME="8156"> </A> +<I>Reinout van Schouwen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008157.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A><A NAME="8157"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A><A NAME="8188"> </A> +<I>Reinout van Schouwen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8165"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8166"> </A> +<I>Jeff Robins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8167"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008168.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8168"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8169"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008170.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8170"> </A> +<I>Jeff Robins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8171"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008172.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8172"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008103.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A><A NAME="8103"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008116.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A><A NAME="8116"> </A> +<I>Chopin Sébastien +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008162.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A><A NAME="8162"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008290.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8290"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008291.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8291"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008292.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8292"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008293.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8293"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008294.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8294"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008298.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8298"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A><A NAME="8220"> </A> +<I>Flipper +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A><A NAME="8232"> </A> +<I>RICHARD WALKER +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A><A NAME="8238"> </A> +<I>Flipper +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008334.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup? +</A><A NAME="8334"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008339.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup? +</A><A NAME="8339"> </A> +<I>Charles A Edwards +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008345.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup? +</A><A NAME="8345"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008318.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8318"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008319.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8319"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008321.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8321"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008338.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8338"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008335.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8335"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008336.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8336"> </A> +<I>bschroeder at internode.on.net +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008344.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8344"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008316.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8316"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008317.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8317"> </A> +<I>RICHARD WALKER +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008320.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8320"> </A> +<I>Marek Laane +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008323.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8323"> </A> +<I>RICHARD WALKER +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008325.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8325"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008326.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8326"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008327.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8327"> </A> +<I>Max Quarterpleen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008328.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8328"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008330.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8330"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008329.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8329"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008331.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8331"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008333.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8333"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008337.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8337"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008340.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8340"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008342.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8342"> </A> +<I>Max Quarterpleen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008346.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8346"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008348.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8348"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008332.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8332"> </A> +<I>Tony Blackwell +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008341.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8341"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008343.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8343"> </A> +<I>Max Quarterpleen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008347.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8347"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008241.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8241"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008245.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8245"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008246.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8246"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008249.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8249"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="008252.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8252"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:35 CEST 2012</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a 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href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Jul 1 07:04:07 CEST 2012</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 262<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01341119047- --> +<LI><A HREF="008099.html">[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu +</A><A NAME="8099"> </A> +<I>Norbert Marchl +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01341119047-01341140817- --> +<LI><A HREF="008105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu +</A><A NAME="8105"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341119047-01341140817-01341319909- --> +<LI><A HREF="008126.html">[Mageia-discuss] Ark extraction from context menu +</A><A NAME="8126"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01341129945- --> +<LI><A HREF="008100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8100"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01341129945-01341131094- --> +<LI><A HREF="008101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8101"> </A> +<I>isadora +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341129945-01341131094-01341160213- --> +<LI><A HREF="008114.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8114"> </A> +<I>isadora +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01341129945-01341132238- --> +<LI><A HREF="008102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8102"> </A> +<I>Funda Wang +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341129945-01341132238-01341138285- --> +<LI><A HREF="008104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8104"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01341129945-01341132238-01341138285-01341141084- --> +<LI><A HREF="008106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8106"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<!--3 01341129945-01341132238-01341138285-01341141084-01341141696- --> +<LI><A HREF="008107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8107"> </A> +<I>Anne Nicolas +</I> + +<!--3 01341129945-01341132238-01341138285-01341141084-01341141696-01341142547- --> +<LI><A HREF="008108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8108"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<!--3 01341129945-01341132238-01341138285-01341141084-01341141696-01341142547-01341143129- --> +<LI><A HREF="008109.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8109"> </A> +<I>Donald Stewart +</I> + +<!--3 01341129945-01341132238-01341138285-01341141084-01341141696-01341142547-01341143129-01341159234- --> +<LI><A HREF="008113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8113"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<!--3 01341129945-01341132238-01341138285-01341141084-01341141696-01341142547-01341143129-01341159234-01341160689- --> +<LI><A HREF="008115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8115"> </A> +<I>Donald Stewart +</I> + +<!--3 01341129945-01341132238-01341138285-01341141084-01341141696-01341142547-01341143225- --> +<LI><A HREF="008110.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8110"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<!--3 01341129945-01341132238-01341138285-01341141084-01341141696-01341142547-01341143225-01341158274- --> +<LI><A HREF="008112.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8112"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<!--3 01341129945-01341132238-01341138285-01341141084-01341141696-01341142547-01341143464- --> +<LI><A HREF="008111.html">[Mageia-discuss] Priority issues with latest Cauldron updates +</A><A NAME="8111"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01341135422- --> +<LI><A HREF="008103.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A><A NAME="8103"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01341135422-01341215364- --> +<LI><A HREF="008116.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A><A NAME="8116"> </A> +<I>Chopin Sébastien +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341135422-01341215364-01341732126- --> +<LI><A HREF="008162.html">[Mageia-discuss] The laptop hangs on boot in three points +</A><A NAME="8162"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01341249702- --> +<LI><A HREF="008117.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A><A NAME="8117"> </A> +<I>Luan Pham +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01341249702-01341250456- --> +<LI><A HREF="008118.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A><A NAME="8118"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<!--1 01341249702-01341251486- --> +<LI><A HREF="008119.html">[Mageia-discuss] mga3 caudron +</A><A NAME="8119"> </A> +<I>Shlomi Fish +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01341255551- --> +<LI><A HREF="008120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8120"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01341255551-01341256792- --> +<LI><A HREF="008121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8121"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341255551-01341256792-01341292728- --> +<LI><A HREF="008122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8122"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01341255551-01341256792-01341292728-01341293154- --> +<LI><A HREF="008124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8124"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<!--3 01341255551-01341256792-01341292728-01341293205- --> +<LI><A HREF="008123.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8123"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01341255551-01341293710- --> +<LI><A HREF="008125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8125"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341255551-01341293710-01341416706- --> +<LI><A HREF="008127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8127"> </A> +<I>David Walser +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01341255551-01341293710-01341416706-01341420744- --> +<LI><A HREF="008129.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8129"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +<!--3 01341255551-01341293710-01341416706-01341421545- --> +<LI><A HREF="008130.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8130"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<!--3 01341255551-01341293710-01341416706-01341421545-01341422052- --> +<LI><A HREF="008131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8131"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +<!--3 01341255551-01341293710-01341416706-01341421545-01341423376- --> +<LI><A HREF="008134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8134"> </A> +<I>David Walser +</I> + +<!--3 01341255551-01341293710-01341416706-01341422285- --> +<LI><A HREF="008132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8132"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<!--3 01341255551-01341293710-01341416706-01341422285- --> +<LI><A HREF="008133.html">[Mageia-discuss] Did you plan to migrate to yum ? +</A><A NAME="8133"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01341420386- --> +<LI><A HREF="008128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8128"> </A> +<I>Vinet Raphaël +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01341420386-01341423449- --> +<LI><A HREF="008135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8135"> </A> +<I>David Walser +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341420386-01341423449-01341426632- --> +<LI><A HREF="008136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8136"> </A> +<I>John Balcaen +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01341420386-01341423449-01341426632-01341426862- --> +<LI><A HREF="008137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8137"> </A> +<I>John Balcaen +</I> + +<!--3 01341420386-01341423449-01341426632-01341426862-01341427297- --> +<LI><A HREF="008138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kmail - problems for filtering (double entries or complete lost) +</A><A NAME="8138"> </A> +<I>Vinet Raphaël +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01341440368- --> +<LI><A HREF="008139.html">[Mageia-discuss] "new look" of the wiki Mageia and "navigation bar" +</A><A NAME="8139"> </A> +<I>Macxi +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01341440368-01341443216- --> +<LI><A HREF="008140.html">[Mageia-discuss] "new look" of the wiki Mageia and "navigation bar" +</A><A NAME="8140"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341440368-01341443216-01341453676- --> +<LI><A HREF="008141.html">[Mageia-discuss] "new look" of the wiki Mageia and "navigation bar" +</A><A NAME="8141"> </A> +<I>Macxi +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01341479430- --> +<LI><A HREF="008142.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8142"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01341479430-01341483764- --> +<LI><A HREF="008143.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8143"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341479430-01341483764-01341561814- --> +<LI><A HREF="008147.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8147"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01341479430-01341483764-01341561814-01341625776- --> +<LI><A HREF="008158.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8158"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<!--3 01341479430-01341483764-01341561814-01341625776-01341634110- --> +<LI><A HREF="008159.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8159"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<!--3 01341479430-01341483764-01341561814-01341625776-01341634110-01341647602- --> +<LI><A HREF="008160.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8160"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01341479430-01341483764-01341561814-01341625776-01341634110-01341647602-01341725986- --> +<LI><A HREF="008161.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8161"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<!--3 01341479430-01341483764-01341561814-01341625776-01341634110-01341647602-01341725986-01341738170- --> +<LI><A HREF="008164.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8164"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01341479430-01341483764-01341561814-01341625776-01341634110-01341647602-01341725986-01341738170-01342094601- --> +<LI><A HREF="008187.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8187"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<!--3 01341479430-01341483764-01341561814-01341625776-01341634110-01341647602-01341725986-01341738170-01342094601-01342136244- --> +<LI><A HREF="008199.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8199"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01341479430-01341483764-01341561814-01341625776-01341634110-01341647602-01341725986-01341738170-01342094601-01342136244-01342148151- --> +<LI><A HREF="008203.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8203"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01341479430-01341483764-01341561814-01341625776-01341634110-01341647602-01341725986-01341738170-01342094601-01342136244-01342148151-01342182559- --> +<LI><A HREF="008226.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8226"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01341479430-01341521558- --> +<LI><A HREF="008144.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8144"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341479430-01341521558-01341560267- --> +<LI><A HREF="008146.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8146"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01341479430-01341521558-01341560267-01342573785- --> +<LI><A HREF="008285.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8285"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<!--3 01341479430-01341521558-01341560267-01342573785-01342662406- --> +<LI><A HREF="008295.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8295"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<!--3 01341479430-01341521558-01341560267-01342573785-01342662406-01342669902- --> +<LI><A HREF="008296.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8296"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01341479430-01341521558-01341560267-01342573785-01342662406-01342669902-01342692594- --> +<LI><A HREF="008297.html">[Mageia-discuss] partitioning bug +</A><A NAME="8297"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01341561403- --> +<LI><A HREF="008145.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8145"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01341561403-01341572144- --> +<LI><A HREF="008148.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8148"> </A> +<I>Alejandro López +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341561403-01341572144-01341574604- --> +<LI><A HREF="008149.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8149"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01341561403-01341572144-01341574604-01341737054- --> +<LI><A HREF="008163.html">[Mageia-discuss] MGA2: Gnome session & system freeze issues +</A><A NAME="8163"> </A> +<I>Alejandro Lopez +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01341574977- --> +<LI><A HREF="008150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8150"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01341574977-01341575952- --> +<LI><A HREF="008151.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8151"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341574977-01341575952-01341576808- --> +<LI><A HREF="008152.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8152"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01341574977-01341575952-01341576808-01341577321- --> +<LI><A HREF="008153.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8153"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01341574977-01341575952-01341576808-01341577321-01341578888- --> +<LI><A HREF="008154.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8154"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01341574977-01341580646- --> +<LI><A HREF="008155.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping +</A><A NAME="8155"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01341604989- --> +<LI><A HREF="008156.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A><A NAME="8156"> </A> +<I>Reinout van Schouwen +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01341604989-01341615431- --> +<LI><A HREF="008157.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A><A NAME="8157"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341604989-01341615431-01342100841- --> +<LI><A HREF="008188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sometimes gdm selects KDE session by itself +</A><A NAME="8188"> </A> +<I>Reinout van Schouwen +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01341758215- --> +<LI><A HREF="008165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8165"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01341758215-01341785286- --> +<LI><A HREF="008166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8166"> </A> +<I>Jeff Robins +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341758215-01341785286-01341800711- --> +<LI><A HREF="008167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8167"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01341758215-01341785286-01341800711-01341804872- --> +<LI><A HREF="008168.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8168"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01341758215-01341785286-01341800711-01341804872-01341805143- --> +<LI><A HREF="008169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8169"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<!--3 01341758215-01341785286-01341800711-01341804872-01341805143-01341821800- --> +<LI><A HREF="008170.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8170"> </A> +<I>Jeff Robins +</I> + +<!--3 01341758215-01341785286-01341800711-01341804872-01341805143-01341821800-01341822553- --> +<LI><A HREF="008171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8171"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01341758215-01341785286-01341834309- --> +<LI><A HREF="008172.html">[Mageia-discuss] Symbolic links in Windows 7 +</A><A NAME="8172"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01341939369- --> +<LI><A HREF="008173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8173"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01341939369-01341944765- --> +<LI><A HREF="008174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8174"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341939369-01341944765-01341953923- --> +<LI><A HREF="008175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8175"> </A> +<I>James Kerr +</I> + +<!--2 01341939369-01341944765-01341955696- --> +<LI><A HREF="008176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8176"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01341939369-01341956313- --> +<LI><A HREF="008177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8177"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + +<!--1 01341939369-01341971961- --> +<LI><A HREF="008178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8178"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341939369-01341971961-01341992666- --> +<LI><A HREF="008180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8180"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01341939369-01341971961-01341992666-01342005874- --> +<LI><A HREF="008186.html">[Mageia-discuss] Request for testing: hplip +</A><A NAME="8186"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01341973980- --> +<LI><A HREF="008179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? +</A><A NAME="8179"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01341973980-01341995621- --> +<LI><A HREF="008181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? +</A><A NAME="8181"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<!--1 01341973980-01341996944- --> +<LI><A HREF="008182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A><A NAME="8182"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01341973980-01341996944-01341997015- --> +<LI><A HREF="008183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A><A NAME="8183"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01341973980-01341996944-01341997015-01342002287- --> +<LI><A HREF="008185.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino package bug? - solved +</A><A NAME="8185"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01341997599- --> +<LI><A HREF="008184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Arduino - avrlib +</A><A NAME="8184"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<!--0 01342110043- --> +<LI><A HREF="008189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8189"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01342110043-01342112852- --> +<LI><A HREF="008190.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8190"> </A> +<I>isadora +</I> + +<!--1 01342110043-01342119998- --> +<LI><A HREF="008191.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8191"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921- --> +<LI><A HREF="008193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8193"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480- --> +<LI><A HREF="008197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8197"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480-01342136114- --> +<LI><A HREF="008198.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8198"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480-01342136114-01342140058- --> +<LI><A HREF="008200.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8200"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480-01342136114-01342140058-01342146452- --> +<LI><A HREF="008201.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8201"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480-01342136114-01342140058-01342174945- --> +<LI><A HREF="008215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8215"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480-01342136114-01342140058-01342250099- --> +<LI><A HREF="008247.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8247"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480-01342136114-01342175863- --> +<LI><A HREF="008217.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8217"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480-01342136114-01342175863-01342184667- --> +<LI><A HREF="008223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8223"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480-01342136114-01342249570- --> +<LI><A HREF="008248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8248"> </A> +<I>blind Pete +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480-01342136114-01342249570-01342254926- --> +<LI><A HREF="008250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8250"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480-01342162344- --> +<LI><A HREF="008208.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8208"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480-01342202428- --> +<LI><A HREF="008229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8229"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480-01342202428-01342203050- --> +<LI><A HREF="008230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8230"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480-01342202428-01342203050-01342218970- --> +<LI><A HREF="008239.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8239"> </A> +<I>peter f miller +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480-01342202428-01342203050-01342218970-01342223093- --> +<LI><A HREF="008240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8240"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342130480-01342202428-01342203050-01342218970-01342236698- --> +<LI><A HREF="008242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8242"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342124921-01342175679- --> +<LI><A HREF="008216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8216"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516- --> +<LI><A HREF="008195.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8195"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649- --> +<LI><A HREF="008202.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8202"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649-01342149245- --> +<LI><A HREF="008204.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8204"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649-01342149245-01342150676- --> +<LI><A HREF="008205.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8205"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649-01342149245-01342150676-01342161745- --> +<LI><A HREF="008207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8207"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649-01342149245-01342150676-01342161745-01342162920- --> +<LI><A HREF="008210.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8210"> </A> +<I>Simon Parsons +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649-01342149245-01342150676-01342161745-01342162920-01342164708- --> +<LI><A HREF="008212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8212"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649-01342149245-01342150676-01342161745-01342162920-01342164708-01342195851- --> +<LI><A HREF="008228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8228"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649-01342149245-01342150676-01342161745-01342163325- --> +<LI><A HREF="008211.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8211"> </A> +<I>Doug Laidlaw +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649-01342149245-01342150676-01342161745-01342163325-01342174879- --> +<LI><A HREF="008214.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8214"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649-01342149245-01342150676-01342161745-01342176785- --> +<LI><A HREF="008219.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8219"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649-01342149245-01342150676-01342161745-01342176785-01342185067- --> +<LI><A HREF="008224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8224"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649-01342149245-01342150676-01342161745-01342176785-01342185067-01342209674- --> +<LI><A HREF="008235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8235"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649-01342149245-01342176265- --> +<LI><A HREF="008218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8218"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649-01342161200- --> +<LI><A HREF="008206.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8206"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649-01342161200-01342162485- --> +<LI><A HREF="008209.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8209"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01342110043-01342119998-01342127516-01342147649-01342161200-01342162485-01342203494- --> +<LI><A HREF="008231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8231"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01342110043-01342125813- --> +<LI><A HREF="008194.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8194"> </A> +<I>José Alberto Valle Cid +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01342118045- --> +<LI><A HREF="008196.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A><A NAME="8196"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<!--0 01342123564- --> +<LI><A HREF="008192.html">[Mageia-discuss] LWN and Mageia +</A><A NAME="8192"> </A> +<I>Tony Blackwell +</I> + +<!--0 01342171747- --> +<LI><A HREF="008213.html">[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM +</A><A NAME="8213"> </A> +<I>Marianne Lombard +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01342171747-01342298876- --> +<LI><A HREF="008265.html">[Mageia-discuss] Back from LSM (RMLL) +</A><A NAME="8265"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01342179446- --> +<LI><A HREF="008220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A><A NAME="8220"> </A> +<I>Flipper +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01342179446-01342205443- --> +<LI><A HREF="008232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A><A NAME="8232"> </A> +<I>RICHARD WALKER +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01342179446-01342205443-01342218890- --> +<LI><A HREF="008238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Weather Display +</A><A NAME="8238"> </A> +<I>Flipper +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01342181520- --> +<LI><A HREF="008221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8221"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01342181520-01342184026- --> +<LI><A HREF="008222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8222"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01342181520-01342184026-01342185226- --> +<LI><A HREF="008225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8225"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01342181520-01342184026-01342185226-01342188920- --> +<LI><A HREF="008227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Reusing ancient names ? +</A><A NAME="8227"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01342207462- --> +<LI><A HREF="008233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8233"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01342207462-01342208476- --> +<LI><A HREF="008234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8234"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01342207462-01342208476-01342210330- --> +<LI><A HREF="008236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8236"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01342207462-01342212474- --> +<LI><A HREF="008237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8237"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023- --> +<LI><A HREF="008243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8243"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342242734- --> +<LI><A HREF="008244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8244"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342242734-01342255354- --> +<LI><A HREF="008251.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8251"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342242734-01342255354-01342256547- --> +<LI><A HREF="008253.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8253"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342242734-01342255354-01342256547-01342257112- --> +<LI><A HREF="008255.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8255"> </A> +<I>Norbert Marchl +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342242734-01342255354-01342256547-01342257112-01342257646- --> +<LI><A HREF="008257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8257"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342242734-01342255354-01342256547-01342257112-01342257646-01342258225- --> +<LI><A HREF="008258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8258"> </A> +<I>Norbert Marchl +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342242734-01342255354-01342256547-01342257112-01342257646-01342258225-01342259237- --> +<LI><A HREF="008259.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8259"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342242734-01342255354-01342256547-01342257112-01342257646-01342258225-01342259237-01342259873- --> +<LI><A HREF="008260.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8260"> </A> +<I>Norbert Marchl +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342242734-01342255354-01342256547-01342257112-01342257646-01342258225-01342259237-01342259873-01342260268- --> +<LI><A HREF="008261.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8261"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342242734-01342255354-01342256690- --> +<LI><A HREF="008254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8254"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342242734-01342255354-01342256690-01342260544- --> +<LI><A HREF="008262.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8262"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342242734-01342255354-01342256690-01342260544-01342440589- --> +<LI><A HREF="008274.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8274"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342242734-01342255354-01342256690-01342260544-01342440589-01342441887- --> +<LI><A HREF="008275.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8275"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342242734-01342255354-01342256690-01342260544-01342440589-01342441887-01342455207- --> +<LI><A HREF="008278.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8278"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342257280- --> +<LI><A HREF="008256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8256"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342310530- --> +<LI><A HREF="008266.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8266"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342310530-01342318499- --> +<LI><A HREF="008267.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8267"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342310530-01342318499-01342320104- --> +<LI><A HREF="008268.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8268"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342241023-01342310530-01342318499-01342320104-01342320433- --> +<LI><A HREF="008269.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8269"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01342207462-01342212474-01342261152- --> +<LI><A HREF="008263.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8263"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01342207462-01342212474-01342261152-01342261573- --> +<LI><A HREF="008264.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: indirect request <---> direct request +</A><A NAME="8264"> </A> +<I>Goh Lip +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01342234740- --> +<LI><A HREF="008241.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8241"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01342234740-01342242942- --> +<LI><A HREF="008245.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8245"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<!--1 01342234740-01342247344- --> +<LI><A HREF="008246.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8246"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01342234740-01342247344-01342254193- --> +<LI><A HREF="008249.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8249"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01342234740-01342247344-01342254193-01342255775- --> +<LI><A HREF="008252.html">[Mageia-discuss] xen and grub +</A><A NAME="8252"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01342358031- --> +<LI><A HREF="008270.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8270"> </A> +<I>Doug Lytle +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01342358031-01342362066- --> +<LI><A HREF="008271.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8271"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01342358031-01342362066-01342365775- --> +<LI><A HREF="008272.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8272"> </A> +<I>Doug Lytle +</I> + +<!--2 01342358031-01342362066-01342365918- --> +<LI><A HREF="008273.html">[Mageia-discuss] One-Wire Home Temperature Network with Linux +</A><A NAME="8273"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01342448080- --> +<LI><A HREF="008276.html">[Mageia-discuss] FrOSCon 2012 +</A><A NAME="8276"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01342448080-01342461762- --> +<LI><A HREF="008282.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012 +</A><A NAME="8282"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01342450364- --> +<LI><A HREF="008277.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8277"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01342450364-01342455337- --> +<LI><A HREF="008279.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8279"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01342450364-01342455337-01342456847- --> +<LI><A HREF="008280.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8280"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01342450364-01342455337-01342456847-01342457491- --> +<LI><A HREF="008281.html">[Mageia-discuss] How control ernergy events ? +</A><A NAME="8281"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01342470970- --> +<LI><A HREF="008283.html">[Mageia-discuss] File association query +</A><A NAME="8283"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01342470970-01342473666- --> +<LI><A HREF="008284.html">[Mageia-discuss] File association query +</A><A NAME="8284"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01342582543- --> +<LI><A HREF="008286.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8286"> </A> +<I>Funda Wang +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01342582543-01342591690- --> +<LI><A HREF="008287.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8287"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01342582543-01342591690-01342594952- --> +<LI><A HREF="008288.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8288"> </A> +<I>Funda Wang +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01342582543-01342591690-01342594952-01342595100- --> +<LI><A HREF="008289.html">[Mageia-discuss] distrib-coffee not synced? +</A><A NAME="8289"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01342636107- --> +<LI><A HREF="008290.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8290"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01342636107-01342636704- --> +<LI><A HREF="008291.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8291"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01342636107-01342636704-01342637198- --> +<LI><A HREF="008292.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8292"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01342636107-01342636704-01342637198-01342639916- --> +<LI><A HREF="008293.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8293"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +<!--3 01342636107-01342636704-01342637198-01342639916-01342643243- --> +<LI><A HREF="008294.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8294"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<!--3 01342636107-01342636704-01342637198-01342639916-01342643243-01342723864- --> +<LI><A HREF="008298.html">[Mageia-discuss] update 1 -> 2.... some regressions... +</A><A NAME="8298"> </A> +<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01342824901- --> +<LI><A HREF="008299.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A><A NAME="8299"> </A> +<I>Sebastian +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01342824901-01342871124- --> +<LI><A HREF="008301.html">[Mageia-discuss] IT MegaMeet and OGGCamp +</A><A NAME="8301"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01342869373- --> +<LI><A HREF="008300.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8300"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01342869373-01342871639- --> +<LI><A HREF="008302.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8302"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01342869373-01342871639-01342895868- --> +<LI><A HREF="008303.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8303"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01342869373-01342871639-01342895868-01342896586- --> +<LI><A HREF="008304.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8304"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<!--3 01342869373-01342871639-01342895868-01342896586-01342948681- --> +<LI><A HREF="008307.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8307"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01342869373-01342871639-01342895868-01342896586-01342948681-01342963900- --> +<LI><A HREF="008308.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8308"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<!--3 01342869373-01342871639-01342895868-01342896586-01342948681-01342963900-01342981925- --> +<LI><A HREF="008309.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8309"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01342869373-01342871639-01342895868-01342896586-01342948681-01342963900-01342981925-01342983860- --> +<LI><A HREF="008310.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8310"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<!--3 01342869373-01342871639-01342895868-01342896586-01342948681-01342963900-01342981925-01342983860-01343032476- --> +<LI><A HREF="008313.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8313"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01342869373-01342871639-01342895868-01342896586-01342948681-01342963900-01342981925-01342983860-01343032476-01343034098- --> +<LI><A HREF="008314.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8314"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<!--3 01342869373-01342871639-01342895868-01342896586-01342948681-01342963900-01342981925-01342983860-01343032476-01343034098-01343036561- --> +<LI><A HREF="008315.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8315"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01342869373-01342871639-01342895868-01342896586-01342948681-01342963900-01342981925-01342983860-01343032476-01343034098-01343036561-01343178727- --> +<LI><A HREF="008322.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8322"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<!--3 01342869373-01342871639-01342895868-01342896586-01342948681-01342963900-01342981925-01342983860-01343032476-01343034098-01343036561-01343178727-01343213129- --> +<LI><A HREF="008324.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8324"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01342869373-01342871639-01342919751- --> +<LI><A HREF="008306.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDEPIM now totally lost +</A><A NAME="8306"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01342916209- --> +<LI><A HREF="008305.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interaction with bugzilla +</A><A NAME="8305"> </A> +<I>Johnny A. Solbu +</I> + +<!--0 01343020026- --> +<LI><A HREF="008311.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working +</A><A NAME="8311"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01343020026-01343026038- --> +<LI><A HREF="008312.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP printer not working _fixed +</A><A NAME="8312"> </A> +<I>Phil +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01343158957- --> +<LI><A HREF="008316.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8316"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01343158957-01343163995- --> +<LI><A HREF="008318.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8318"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<!--1 01343158957-01343169506- --> +<LI><A HREF="008317.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8317"> </A> +<I>RICHARD WALKER +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01343158957-01343169506-01343170058- --> +<LI><A HREF="008319.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8319"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<!--2 01343158957-01343169506-01343171129- --> +<LI><A HREF="008320.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8320"> </A> +<I>Marek Laane +</I> + +<!--2 01343158957-01343169506-01343171251- --> +<LI><A HREF="008321.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8321"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01343158957-01343169506-01343171251-01343183005- --> +<LI><A HREF="008323.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8323"> </A> +<I>RICHARD WALKER +</I> + +<!--3 01343158957-01343169506-01343171251-01343183005-01343213760- --> +<LI><A HREF="008325.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8325"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01343158957-01343169506-01343171251-01343183005-01343213760-01343220310- --> +<LI><A HREF="008326.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8326"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01343158957-01343169506-01343171251-01343183005-01343213760-01343220310-01343221320- --> +<LI><A HREF="008328.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8328"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +<!--3 01343158957-01343169506-01343171251-01343183005-01343213760-01343220310-01343221320-01343228289- --> +<LI><A HREF="008330.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8330"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<!--3 01343158957-01343169506-01343171251-01343183005-01343213760-01343221193- --> +<LI><A HREF="008327.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8327"> </A> +<I>Max Quarterpleen +</I> + +<!--3 01343158957-01343169506-01343171251-01343183005-01343213760-01343221193-01343242361- --> +<LI><A HREF="008333.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8333"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01343158957-01343169506-01343171251-01343183005-01343213760-01343221193-01343242361-01343270749- --> +<LI><A HREF="008340.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8340"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<!--3 01343158957-01343169506-01343171251-01343183005-01343213760-01343221193-01343242361-01343270749-01343285014- --> +<LI><A HREF="008342.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8342"> </A> +<I>Max Quarterpleen +</I> + +<!--3 01343158957-01343169506-01343171251-01343183005-01343213760-01343221193-01343242361-01343270749-01343285014-01343307391- --> +<LI><A HREF="008348.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8348"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<!--3 01343158957-01343169506-01343171251-01343183005-01343213760-01343221193-01343242361-01343270749-01343300233- --> +<LI><A HREF="008346.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8346"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<!--3 01343158957-01343169506-01343171251-01343257189- --> +<LI><A HREF="008337.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8337"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<!--3 01343158957-01343169506-01343171251-01343257189-01343261362- --> +<LI><A HREF="008338.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8338"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01343228529- --> +<LI><A HREF="008329.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8329"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01343228529-01343230118- --> +<LI><A HREF="008331.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) +</A><A NAME="8331"> </A> +<I>Claire Robinson +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01343241580- --> +<LI><A HREF="008332.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8332"> </A> +<I>Tony Blackwell +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01343241580-01343243355- --> +<LI><A HREF="008335.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8335"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01343241580-01343243355-01343255686- --> +<LI><A HREF="008336.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8336"> </A> +<I>bschroeder at internode.on.net +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01343241580-01343243355-01343255686-01343271496- --> +<LI><A HREF="008341.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8341"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<!--3 01343241580-01343243355-01343255686-01343271496-01343285250- --> +<LI><A HREF="008343.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8343"> </A> +<I>Max Quarterpleen +</I> + +<!--3 01343241580-01343243355-01343255686-01343271496-01343285250-01343297120- --> +<LI><A HREF="008344.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8344"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<!--3 01343241580-01343243355-01343255686-01343271496-01343285250-01343297120-01343306980- --> +<LI><A HREF="008347.html">[Mageia-discuss] What is your motivation? (about American English in Mageia for British users) (Tony Blackwell) +</A><A NAME="8347"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01343243409- --> +<LI><A HREF="008334.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup? +</A><A NAME="8334"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01343243409-01343267128- --> +<LI><A HREF="008339.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup? +</A><A NAME="8339"> </A> +<I>Charles A Edwards +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01343243409-01343267128-01343299718- --> +<LI><A HREF="008345.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup? +</A><A NAME="8345"> </A> +<I>Anne Wilson +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01343375221- --> +<LI><A HREF="008349.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8349"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01343375221-01343376655- --> +<LI><A HREF="008350.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8350"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01343375221-01343376655-01343473182- --> +<LI><A HREF="008351.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8351"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<!--2 01343375221-01343376655-01343489649- --> +<LI><A HREF="008352.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8352"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01343375221-01343376655-01343489649-01343647265- --> +<LI><A HREF="008356.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics +</A><A NAME="8356"> </A> +<I>AL13N +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01343520304- --> +<LI><A HREF="008353.html">[Mageia-discuss] parallel port not found +</A><A NAME="8353"> </A> +<I>Tony Blackwell +</I> + +<!--0 01343605760- --> +<LI><A HREF="008354.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8354"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01343605760-01343606841- --> +<LI><A HREF="008355.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8355"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01343605760-01343606841-01343662317- --> +<LI><A HREF="008357.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8357"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01343605760-01343606841-01343662317-01343664705- --> +<LI><A HREF="008358.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8358"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<!--3 01343605760-01343606841-01343662317-01343664705-01343694931- --> +<LI><A HREF="008359.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing +</A><A NAME="8359"> </A> +<I>Michael Hill +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01343758039- --> +<LI><A HREF="008360.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help needed on mediawiki +</A><A NAME="8360"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:35 CEST 2012</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |