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Of course, we +</I>><i> > could do like Canonical and just pretend laws do not exist : +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://fasmz.org/~pterjan/blog/?date=20090423">http://fasmz.org/~pterjan/blog/?date=20090423</A> , s this clearly annoy +</I>><i> > users... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> Here's how I understand the argument. There are three scenarios: +</I>><i> 1-Software is licensed to allow distribution. +</I>><i> 2-Software license specifically prohibits distribution. +</I>><i> 3-Software license is undetermined. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So this means that: +</I>><i> 1-OK. Distribute if possible per the terms of the license. +</I>><i> 2-Software should not be distributed. Interested parties in the +</I>><i> community may work towards a license change if they desire. +</I>><i> 3-It's the responsibility of the copyright holder to enforce their +</I>><i> rights. Group A says that all such software should not be distributed +</I>><i> until license status can be determined. Group B says to distribute +</I>><i> software until copyright holder complains; no complaint equals implied +</I>><i> permission to distribute. Again, interested parties in the community +</I>><i> may work towards a license change if they desire. +</I> +Group A is right. +If there is no explicit rights granted, then we cannot redistribute it. + +USAs consider that software are literacy work +( <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_copyright">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_copyright</A> ). And that's +something that do not need any specific declaration to be protected. +Something without explicit rights is protected, see +<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_works">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_works</A> + +France treat software in a similar way ( ie, if there is no explicit +right to distribute a copy then you cannot, at least not in the way that +would interest us as a distribution ), and I think most countries does, +per application of the Berne convention ( revised in 1988 ) : +<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works</A> +( see article 5, that extend protection from one country to all others +). + +There is complex case in copyright law, but this one is quite simple. + +><i> The rest of the universe of Linux users are unaware of such issues or +</I>><i> don't care (not everyone can be RMS). They want Mageia to "just work". +</I>><i> They will blame Mageia, not the hardware manufacturer, not the +</I>><i> software copyright holder, not Linus Torvalds, not Richard Stallman +</I>><i> nor Ubuntu/Canonical/Shuttleworth. +</I> +They can blame Mageia as much as they want, that will not change the +international copyright treaties. + + +><i> The question is how will Mageia balance the need for "just works" with +</I>><i> the desire to honor copyrights and engage only in legal software +</I>><i> distribution? This is made more complex because those rights and +</I>><i> copyright laws are not equal everywhere in the world. +</I> +So if the question is : +"will mageia do something clearly illegal in France to please users", I +think that I can safely answer "no". + +But if you are not satisfied with the answer and my reasoning, feel free +to ask to the council or the board for a precision. Or ask to a lawyer. + +Even Canonical did clean the firmware package, as you can see if you +follow the url given by the blog post I mentioned. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004624.html">[Mageia-discuss] Themes & Icons +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004626.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hauppauge WinTV PVR-250 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4625">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4625">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4625">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4625">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |