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Maybe I'm misreading you or missing something but this comes +</I>><i> across as really arrogant in presuming what others (not you!) do or don't need, +</I>><i> and how and why people have "mainly" used easyurpmi in the past. How do you +</I>><i> know? Was there a poll that I didn't get included in? I've always found +</I>><i> easyurpmi very convenient and not just for plf. I guess I didn't realize how +</I>><i> atypical I was. +</I> +Easyurpmi, as I said in the past, suffer from various problems : + +- it is centralized. It is where people fighted to get included or not. Every +group in the past forked ( some without any attribution ) the software to be +listed as repository for their version, because the original maintainer refused +to list every possible variations of every random rpm repositories. Despites having wrote +docs on .urpmi-media file on the wiki, people prefered to reuse easyurpmi out of +some form of cargo culting ( until easyurpmi decided to adopt the system ). + +This caused some frictions in the community, and some divisions due to X instances of the software. + +- the code could have been much better. Olivier wrote it and he was not a php coder, and +neither is Phillipe, the current maintainer. I think that the translation system is +primitive and prone to problem. No one seemed to be motivated to rewrite, despites +people fixing various problem. + +- the core of the system was still "here is a website that a new user cannot find by +itself, that will give command that he doesn't understand, and that he need to type as root, +after asking question that didn't made much sense for him". That's bad on many levels : + - difficult to find for a new user. + - asking to type command as root first, and later "click on a link in your browser and type after your +admin password", which is IMHO quite bad from giving wrong habits to people. + - asking lots of questions, ( fixed later by using a simplified mode, that use rpmdrake or +that fail silently ) + +There is also some issue like "it requires a web browser" ( which is highly problematic when you +are in a datacenter, setting up a server ). And "it doesn't use ssl" ( which is rather bad for a site that give you +basically software sources ). This one could be fixed, but that's quite curious that no one +thought of it before. Maybe people do not care about security, and about the content of a file that end +to be read by a software running as root. + +The discoverability issues still exist and could not be fixed because of the nature of PLF/Mandriva. +The bad habits given to users is a direct consequence of the way it work. The power struggle +part too is inherent to the system, and this would become worst if there is a official instance +on Mageia servers. + +Since the discoverability issue should be fixed by simply having tainted disabled by default and maybe +some popup whatever to enable it, I see no reason to suffer from the others problems ( +bad habits, power struggle ). People can install a clone of easyurpmi if they want, but I will +oppose on having it on our servers, on having anything like this labelled as official, and +would recommend to people to not deploy it. + + +-- +Michael Scherer +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004305.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004308.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4306">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4306">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4306">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4306">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |