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+<PRE>On Saturday, May 21, 2011 02:59:43 pm Dale Huckeby wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 21 May 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 21 May 2011 21:46, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Will there be some such thing in place when Mageia is finally launched ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No, simply because there's no need for a tool like that; easyurpmi was
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mainly used by Mandriva users to add the PLF repos, in Mageia PLF is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; replaced by the Tainted repo, which is added (but disabled) by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; default.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Simply no need? Maybe I'm misreading you or missing something but this
+</I>&gt;<i> comes across as really arrogant in presuming what others (not you!) do or
+</I>&gt;<i> don't need, and how and why people have &quot;mainly&quot; used easyurpmi in the
+</I>&gt;<i> past. How do you know? Was there a poll that I didn't get included in?
+</I>&gt;<i> I've always found easyurpmi very convenient and not just for plf. I guess
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't realize how atypical I was.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dale Huckeby
+</I> I like easyurpmi as well,
+--
+Thomas
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 21 May 2011 23:59, Dale Huckeby &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">spock at evansville.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 21 May 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 21 May 2011 21:46, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Will there be some such thing in place when Mageia is finally launched ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, simply because there's no need for a tool like that; easyurpmi was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mainly used by Mandriva users to add the PLF repos, in Mageia PLF is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> replaced by the Tainted repo, which is added (but disabled) by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> default.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Simply no need? Maybe I'm misreading you or missing something but this comes
+</I>&gt;<i> across as really arrogant in presuming what others (not you!) do or don't
+</I>&gt;<i> need,
+</I>&gt;<i> and how and why people have &quot;mainly&quot; used easyurpmi in the past. How do you
+</I>&gt;<i> know?
+</I>
+I know about the &quot;main&quot; use case of easyurpmi, from 2-3years of daily
+visits to the Mandriva forum, search for easyurpmi and see if the word
+&quot;PLF&quot; won't be in the same thread in a lot of cases.
+
+&gt;<i> Was there a poll that I didn't get included in? I've always found
+</I>&gt;<i> easyurpmi very convenient and not just for plf. I guess I didn't realize how
+</I>&gt;<i> atypical I was.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Whether you're typical or atypical, I leave that to you.
+
+Using easyurpmi to just add the official repositories in Mandriva is
+an &quot;atypical&quot; use case, not the regular/main use case, given the fact
+there's already an integrated, installed by default, tool to do the
+job.
+
+Sure, it's good to have an easy way to add the repos on a headless
+server, but I think users running headless servers are cli-savvy
+enough to know how to use urpmi.addmedia, (with help of
+<A HREF="http://mirrors.mageia.org/distrib">http://mirrors.mageia.org/distrib</A> , it becomes a matter of
+copy/paste).
+
+&gt;<i> Dale Huckeby
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Otto</B>
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+<PRE>dear buddies,
+I have talked about it earlier and the reply was there at
+<A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-discuss@mageia.org/msg03742.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-discuss@mageia.org/msg03742.html</A>
+cheers.
+
+2011/5/21 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> On 21 May 2011 23:59, Dale Huckeby &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">spock at evansville.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, 21 May 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 21 May 2011 21:46, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Will there be some such thing in place when Mageia is finally launched
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; No, simply because there's no need for a tool like that; easyurpmi was
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mainly used by Mandriva users to add the PLF repos, in Mageia PLF is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; replaced by the Tainted repo, which is added (but disabled) by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; default.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Simply no need? Maybe I'm misreading you or missing something but this
+</I>&gt;<i> comes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; across as really arrogant in presuming what others (not you!) do or don't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; need,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and how and why people have &quot;mainly&quot; used easyurpmi in the past. How do
+</I>&gt;<i> you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; know?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know about the &quot;main&quot; use case of easyurpmi, from 2-3years of daily
+</I>&gt;<i> visits to the Mandriva forum, search for easyurpmi and see if the word
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;PLF&quot; won't be in the same thread in a lot of cases.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Was there a poll that I didn't get included in? I've always found
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; easyurpmi very convenient and not just for plf. I guess I didn't realize
+</I>&gt;<i> how
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; atypical I was.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Whether you're typical or atypical, I leave that to you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Using easyurpmi to just add the official repositories in Mandriva is
+</I>&gt;<i> an &quot;atypical&quot; use case, not the regular/main use case, given the fact
+</I>&gt;<i> there's already an integrated, installed by default, tool to do the
+</I>&gt;<i> job.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sure, it's good to have an easy way to add the repos on a headless
+</I>&gt;<i> server, but I think users running headless servers are cli-savvy
+</I>&gt;<i> enough to know how to use urpmi.addmedia, (with help of
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mirrors.mageia.org/distrib">http://mirrors.mageia.org/distrib</A> , it becomes a matter of
+</I>&gt;<i> copy/paste).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Dale Huckeby
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 04:59:43PM -0500, Dale Huckeby wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 21 May 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;On 21 May 2011 21:46, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;Will there be some such thing in place when Mageia is finally launched ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;No, simply because there's no need for a tool like that; easyurpmi was
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;mainly used by Mandriva users to add the PLF repos, in Mageia PLF is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;replaced by the Tainted repo, which is added (but disabled) by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;default.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Simply no need? Maybe I'm misreading you or missing something but this comes
+</I>&gt;<i> across as really arrogant in presuming what others (not you!) do or don't need,
+</I>&gt;<i> and how and why people have &quot;mainly&quot; used easyurpmi in the past. How do you
+</I>&gt;<i> know? Was there a poll that I didn't get included in? I've always found
+</I>&gt;<i> easyurpmi very convenient and not just for plf. I guess I didn't realize how
+</I>&gt;<i> atypical I was.
+</I>
+Easyurpmi, as I said in the past, suffer from various problems :
+
+- it is centralized. It is where people fighted to get included or not. Every
+group in the past forked ( some without any attribution ) the software to be
+listed as repository for their version, because the original maintainer refused
+to list every possible variations of every random rpm repositories. Despites having wrote
+docs on .urpmi-media file on the wiki, people prefered to reuse easyurpmi out of
+some form of cargo culting ( until easyurpmi decided to adopt the system ).
+
+This caused some frictions in the community, and some divisions due to X instances of the software.
+
+- the code could have been much better. Olivier wrote it and he was not a php coder, and
+neither is Phillipe, the current maintainer. I think that the translation system is
+primitive and prone to problem. No one seemed to be motivated to rewrite, despites
+people fixing various problem.
+
+- the core of the system was still &quot;here is a website that a new user cannot find by
+itself, that will give command that he doesn't understand, and that he need to type as root,
+after asking question that didn't made much sense for him&quot;. That's bad on many levels :
+ - difficult to find for a new user.
+ - asking to type command as root first, and later &quot;click on a link in your browser and type after your
+admin password&quot;, which is IMHO quite bad from giving wrong habits to people.
+ - asking lots of questions, ( fixed later by using a simplified mode, that use rpmdrake or
+that fail silently )
+
+There is also some issue like &quot;it requires a web browser&quot; ( which is highly problematic when you
+are in a datacenter, setting up a server ). And &quot;it doesn't use ssl&quot; ( which is rather bad for a site that give you
+basically software sources ). This one could be fixed, but that's quite curious that no one
+thought of it before. Maybe people do not care about security, and about the content of a file that end
+to be read by a software running as root.
+
+The discoverability issues still exist and could not be fixed because of the nature of PLF/Mandriva.
+The bad habits given to users is a direct consequence of the way it work. The power struggle
+part too is inherent to the system, and this would become worst if there is a official instance
+on Mageia servers.
+
+Since the discoverability issue should be fixed by simply having tainted disabled by default and maybe
+some popup whatever to enable it, I see no reason to suffer from the others problems (
+bad habits, power struggle ). People can install a clone of easyurpmi if they want, but I will
+oppose on having it on our servers, on having anything like this labelled as official, and
+would recommend to people to not deploy it.
+
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+&gt;<i> I joined the club and did an upgrade from an up-to-date Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010.2 system with a customized KDE user (Laptop Dell Latitude
+</I>&gt;<i> D820).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The update went smoothly, but took ages (an install on my laptop
+</I>&gt;<i> takes about 15 minutes, the update took about 45 minutes).
+</I>
+How did you do the upgrade ? Using the cd/dvd ?
+
+&gt;<i> Some minor glitches during installation:
+</I>&gt;<i> - the install messed up my country settings - changed my setting
+</I>&gt;<i> (Austria) to US
+</I>&gt;<i> - the update concluded with the following error message:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 installation transaction failed:file /usr/bin/rcp from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> krb5-appl-clients-1.0.1-1.mga1.i586 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> krb5-appl-servers-1.0-4mdv2010.1.i586
+</I>
+Can you fill a bug report for this one ?
+
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+<PRE>There is also a script called &quot;tuningdrake&quot; developed from
+<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/">http://blogdrake.net/</A> that the user could install a lot of non-free stuffs
+like sun java, adobe acrobat, etc. It works on mageia with that code
+
+urpmi <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.0/free/noarch/Tuningdrake-1.0.3-1bdk2010.0.noarch.rpm">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.0/free/noarch/Tuningdrake-1.0.3-1bdk2010.0.noarch.rpm</A>
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+
+You can read about it from mandriva Brazil wiki at
+<A HREF="http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/utilidades/tuningdrake#instalando_o_tuningdrake">http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/utilidades/tuningdrake#instalando_o_tuningdrake</A>
+
+
+
+cheers.
+
+
+
+2011/5/21 Michael scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 04:59:43PM -0500, Dale Huckeby wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, 21 May 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;On 21 May 2011 21:46, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;Will there be some such thing in place when Mageia is finally launched
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;No, simply because there's no need for a tool like that; easyurpmi was
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;mainly used by Mandriva users to add the PLF repos, in Mageia PLF is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;replaced by the Tainted repo, which is added (but disabled) by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;default.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Simply no need? Maybe I'm misreading you or missing something but this
+</I>&gt;<i> comes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; across as really arrogant in presuming what others (not you!) do or don't
+</I>&gt;<i> need,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and how and why people have &quot;mainly&quot; used easyurpmi in the past. How do
+</I>&gt;<i> you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; know? Was there a poll that I didn't get included in? I've always found
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; easyurpmi very convenient and not just for plf. I guess I didn't realize
+</I>&gt;<i> how
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; atypical I was.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Easyurpmi, as I said in the past, suffer from various problems :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - it is centralized. It is where people fighted to get included or not.
+</I>&gt;<i> Every
+</I>&gt;<i> group in the past forked ( some without any attribution ) the software to
+</I>&gt;<i> be
+</I>&gt;<i> listed as repository for their version, because the original maintainer
+</I>&gt;<i> refused
+</I>&gt;<i> to list every possible variations of every random rpm repositories.
+</I>&gt;<i> Despites having wrote
+</I>&gt;<i> docs on .urpmi-media file on the wiki, people prefered to reuse easyurpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> out of
+</I>&gt;<i> some form of cargo culting ( until easyurpmi decided to adopt the system ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This caused some frictions in the community, and some divisions due to X
+</I>&gt;<i> instances of the software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - the code could have been much better. Olivier wrote it and he was not a
+</I>&gt;<i> php coder, and
+</I>&gt;<i> neither is Phillipe, the current maintainer. I think that the translation
+</I>&gt;<i> system is
+</I>&gt;<i> primitive and prone to problem. No one seemed to be motivated to rewrite,
+</I>&gt;<i> despites
+</I>&gt;<i> people fixing various problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - the core of the system was still &quot;here is a website that a new user
+</I>&gt;<i> cannot find by
+</I>&gt;<i> itself, that will give command that he doesn't understand, and that he need
+</I>&gt;<i> to type as root,
+</I>&gt;<i> after asking question that didn't made much sense for him&quot;. That's bad on
+</I>&gt;<i> many levels :
+</I>&gt;<i> - difficult to find for a new user.
+</I>&gt;<i> - asking to type command as root first, and later &quot;click on a link in your
+</I>&gt;<i> browser and type after your
+</I>&gt;<i> admin password&quot;, which is IMHO quite bad from giving wrong habits to
+</I>&gt;<i> people.
+</I>&gt;<i> - asking lots of questions, ( fixed later by using a simplified mode, that
+</I>&gt;<i> use rpmdrake or
+</I>&gt;<i> that fail silently )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is also some issue like &quot;it requires a web browser&quot; ( which is highly
+</I>&gt;<i> problematic when you
+</I>&gt;<i> are in a datacenter, setting up a server ). And &quot;it doesn't use ssl&quot; (
+</I>&gt;<i> which is rather bad for a site that give you
+</I>&gt;<i> basically software sources ). This one could be fixed, but that's quite
+</I>&gt;<i> curious that no one
+</I>&gt;<i> thought of it before. Maybe people do not care about security, and about
+</I>&gt;<i> the content of a file that end
+</I>&gt;<i> to be read by a software running as root.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The discoverability issues still exist and could not be fixed because of
+</I>&gt;<i> the nature of PLF/Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i> The bad habits given to users is a direct consequence of the way it work.
+</I>&gt;<i> The power struggle
+</I>&gt;<i> part too is inherent to the system, and this would become worst if there is
+</I>&gt;<i> a official instance
+</I>&gt;<i> on Mageia servers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since the discoverability issue should be fixed by simply having tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> disabled by default and maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> some popup whatever to enable it, I see no reason to suffer from the others
+</I>&gt;<i> problems (
+</I>&gt;<i> bad habits, power struggle ). People can install a clone of easyurpmi if
+</I>&gt;<i> they want, but I will
+</I>&gt;<i> oppose on having it on our servers, on having anything like this labelled
+</I>&gt;<i> as official, and
+</I>&gt;<i> would recommend to people to not deploy it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>I haven't used EasyUrpmi, but I used the other (similar) web tool
+SmartUrpmi regularly.
+
+My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main
+reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could
+get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not
+uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during
+one session (a known bug). So I used SmartUrpmi to select a mirror
+which I knew to be fast, reliable and uptodate instead of playing
+lottery with %MIRRORLIST.
+
+Today with Mageia this risk is not high because there are not so many
+mirrors around my residence. But I still would like to select a
+dedicated mirror (my own mirror) from such a list as provided by the
+web tool.
+
+I don't know EasyUrpmi, so I can't say anything about Michael's
+reasoning against it.
+
+--
+wobo
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+&gt;<i> I haven't used EasyUrpmi, but I used the other (similar) web tool
+</I>&gt;<i> SmartUrpmi regularly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main
+</I>&gt;<i> reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could
+</I>&gt;<i> get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not
+</I>&gt;<i> uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during
+</I>&gt;<i> one session (a known bug). So I used SmartUrpmi to select a mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> which I knew to be fast, reliable and uptodate instead of playing
+</I>&gt;<i> lottery with %MIRRORLIST.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Today with Mageia this risk is not high because there are not so many
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors around my residence. But I still would like to select a
+</I>&gt;<i> dedicated mirror (my own mirror) from such a list as provided by the
+</I>&gt;<i> web tool.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know EasyUrpmi, so I can't say anything about Michael's
+</I>&gt;<i> reasoning against it.
+</I>
+Not liking the %MIRRORLIST system is precisely why I kept using easyurpmi.
+I could of course have typed out the pathways for my favorite sites, but
+it's easier to let easyurpmi generate them and then substitute via drag and
+drop the first part of the path for the site I want (not one of the ones
+used by easyurpmi). Guess I'll either start hand-typing the full pathways or
+using SmartUrpmi. Glad you mentioned it. Thanks.
+
+Dale Huckeby
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+
+&gt;<i> My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main
+</I>&gt;<i> reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could
+</I>&gt;<i> get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not
+</I>&gt;<i> uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during
+</I>
+I ran into that with ibiblio.org, which on the 19th didn't have any
+files newer than the 15th.
+
+The solution is to use drakrpm-edit-media to delete all repositories,
+and then run
+urpmi.addmedia --distrib <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586</A>
+replacing the url with the mirror of your choice. The mirror urls can
+be found in /var/cache/urpmi/mirrors.cache
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+&gt;<i> I haven't used EasyUrpmi, but I used the other (similar) web tool
+</I>&gt;<i> SmartUrpmi regularly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main
+</I>&gt;<i> reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could
+</I>&gt;<i> get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not
+</I>&gt;<i> uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during
+</I>&gt;<i> one session (a known bug). So I used SmartUrpmi to select a mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> which I knew to be fast, reliable and uptodate instead of playing
+</I>&gt;<i> lottery with %MIRRORLIST.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Today with Mageia this risk is not high because there are not so many
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors around my residence. But I still would like to select a
+</I>&gt;<i> dedicated mirror (my own mirror) from such a list as provided by the
+</I>&gt;<i> web tool.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You can do that in the Media Manager, File - Add a specific media mirror
+(the list of mirrors is displayed), or if your mirror is a private
+mirror, File - Add a custom medium (select &quot;create media for an entire
+distribution&quot;).
+
+Jim
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main
+</I>&gt;<i> reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could
+</I>&gt;<i> get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not
+</I>&gt;<i> uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during
+</I>&gt;<i> one session (a known bug).
+</I>
+Same here, I *never* managed to upgrade the distribution, without
+using easyurpmi with manual mirror selection (the upgrade tool just removed
+the existing sources and always failed to add new ones).
+
+Bye
+--
+Luca
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+<PRE>2011/5/22 James Kerr &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 22/05/11 04:51, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I haven't used EasyUrpmi, but I used the other (similar) web tool
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> SmartUrpmi regularly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one session (a known bug). So I used SmartUrpmi to select a mirror
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which I knew to be fast, reliable and uptodate instead of playing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lottery with %MIRRORLIST.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Today with Mageia this risk is not high because there are not so many
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mirrors around my residence. But I still would like to select a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dedicated mirror (my own mirror) from such a list as provided by the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> web tool.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can do that in the Media Manager, File - Add a specific media mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> (the list of mirrors is displayed), or if your mirror is a private mirror,
+</I>&gt;<i> File - Add a custom medium (select &quot;create media for an entire
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution&quot;).
+</I>
+Yes, I know that but it's not the point here. I sure know how to add a
+mirror to my /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg using vi, I sure know how to add a
+mirror using 'urpmi.addmedia', and I sure know how to add a mirror
+using &quot;Add&quot; in the media manager in MCC. But still I normally use this
+web tool because 1) I don't have to care for typos and 2) it's soooo
+convenient.
+
+The benefit of this tool (I'm referring to
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/smarturpmi/">http://www.mandrivauser.de/smarturpmi/</A> here) is
+ - I see the current state of the mirrors in the list (including last
+sync run, checked several times a day), so I can avoid mirrors which
+can not be reached or are not uptodate;
+ - instead of having to look up the address and the location of the
+synthesis list and then copy it into a field in the media manager
+(which is a sure cause for typos) I just have to mark all
+media/mirrors I want to add, then click on a button and a script is
+transferred to my machine, no place for errors.
+ - starting the script I am asked for root passwort and after that I
+can let the script do everything else, including a complete update -
+if I want to.
+
+--
+wobo
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 22 mai 2011 &#224; 05:51 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I haven't used EasyUrpmi, but I used the other (similar) web tool
+</I>&gt;<i> SmartUrpmi regularly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main
+</I>&gt;<i> reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could
+</I>&gt;<i> get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not
+</I>&gt;<i> uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during
+</I>&gt;<i> one session (a known bug). So I used SmartUrpmi to select a mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> which I knew to be fast, reliable and uptodate instead of playing
+</I>&gt;<i> lottery with %MIRRORLIST.
+</I>
+There is likely stuff to improve with mirrorlist selection indeed ( I
+would add AS number to it, as well as bandwidth, and push a smarter
+system in urpmi one day to get nearer mirros, and add some weight based
+on network related stuff ), but since everybody work around it, no one
+is motivated to improve it or provides information for that. So because
+people able to fix focus on not facing the problem and because there is
+a know workaround, newer users face the problem.
+
+Worst, since people focus on specific mirrors ( d-c being the prime
+example ), the mirror slowly become more and more overloaded with
+requests, forcing admin of using complex scheme to divide the
+ressources.
+
+&gt;<i> Today with Mageia this risk is not high because there are not so many
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors around my residence. But I still would like to select a
+</I>&gt;<i> dedicated mirror (my own mirror) from such a list as provided by the
+</I>&gt;<i> web tool.
+</I>
+It can already be done.
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>Le 22/05/2011 09:42, Luca Olivetti a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Al 22/05/11 05:51, En/na Wolfgang Bornath ha escrit:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one session (a known bug).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Same here, I *never* managed to upgrade the distribution, without
+</I>&gt;<i> using easyurpmi with manual mirror selection (the upgrade tool just removed
+</I>&gt;<i> the existing sources and always failed to add new ones).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bye
+</I>
+I used easyurpmi for a while, mainly to add PLF sources, or to specify a
+specific mirror when there was some mirroring problems in MDV (hdlist
+not synced with repository content for instance).
+
+As noted previously, the PLF issue does not hold for MGA.
+
+It is probably worth improving the way the current media manager is
+working than add yet another tool to the distrib.
+
+We could have for instance checkboxes when importing media sources with:
+
+- select mirror: by default let the media manager find a mirror for you,
+else select one in a list
+- include tainted: by default disable access to tainted repository. Warn
+the user about the content of those repositories.
+
+The main point is that people often do not know about the media manager.
+Maybe a button to that tool directly in the update app would give it
+more visibility, instead of looking into it on the package manager menu.
+Or maybe it should be an app on its own.
+
+Daniel
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+&gt;<i> Le 22/05/2011 09:42, Luca Olivetti a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Al 22/05/11 05:51, En/na Wolfgang Bornath ha escrit:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; one session (a known bug).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Same here, I *never* managed to upgrade the distribution, without
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; using easyurpmi with manual mirror selection (the upgrade tool just
+</I>&gt;<i> removed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the existing sources and always failed to add new ones).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Bye
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I used easyurpmi for a while, mainly to add PLF sources, or to specify a
+</I>&gt;<i> specific mirror when there was some mirroring problems in MDV (hdlist
+</I>&gt;<i> not synced with repository content for instance).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As noted previously, the PLF issue does not hold for MGA.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is probably worth improving the way the current media manager is
+</I>&gt;<i> working than add yet another tool to the distrib.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could have for instance checkboxes when importing media sources with:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - select mirror: by default let the media manager find a mirror for you,
+</I>&gt;<i> else select one in a list
+</I>&gt;<i> - include tainted: by default disable access to tainted repository. Warn
+</I>&gt;<i> the user about the content of those repositories.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The main point is that people often do not know about the media manager.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe a button to that tool directly in the update app would give it
+</I>&gt;<i> more visibility, instead of looking into it on the package manager menu.
+</I>&gt;<i> Or maybe it should be an app on its own.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Daniel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, it is &quot;an app on its own&quot;, just look at Mageia Control Center.
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+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 22 mai 2011 &#224; 05:51 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I haven't used EasyUrpmi, but I used the other (similar) web tool
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> SmartUrpmi regularly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one session (a known bug). So I used SmartUrpmi to select a mirror
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which I knew to be fast, reliable and uptodate instead of playing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lottery with %MIRRORLIST.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is likely stuff to improve with mirrorlist selection indeed ( I
+</I>&gt;<i> would add AS number to it, as well as bandwidth, and push a smarter
+</I>&gt;<i> system in urpmi one day to get nearer mirros, and add some weight based
+</I>&gt;<i> on network related stuff ), but since everybody work around it, no one
+</I>&gt;<i> is motivated to improve it or provides information for that. So because
+</I>&gt;<i> people able to fix focus on not facing the problem and because there is
+</I>&gt;<i> a know workaround, newer users face the problem.
+</I>
+As soon as the %MIRRORLIST system
+ - checks the fastest mirror before using it
+ - checks the update status of the mirror before using it
+ - switches to another mirror if the selected mirror is not reachable
+or not uptodate
+I will gladly forget all webtools and dedicated mirror selection.
+(I remember writing almost the same at least 2 years ago in a same
+discussion at Mandriva)
+
+&gt;<i> Worst, since people focus on specific mirrors ( d-c being the prime
+</I>&gt;<i> example ), the mirror slowly become more and more overloaded with
+</I>&gt;<i> requests, forcing admin of using complex scheme to divide the
+</I>&gt;<i> ressources.
+</I>
+You can't avoid this. Users want to be connected to teh mirror which
+provides the best service, you can't force them to use a slow mirror
+just to protect better mirrors.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Today with Mageia this risk is not high because there are not so many
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mirrors around my residence. But I still would like to select a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dedicated mirror (my own mirror) from such a list as provided by the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> web tool.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It can already be done.
+</I>
+Read my previous mail.
+
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+</I>&gt;<i> It is probably worth improving the way the current media manager is
+</I>&gt;<i> working than add yet another tool to the distrib.
+</I>
+Yes, as I said, as soon as the system provides a functioning error
+handling in case of slow or outdated or even not reachable mirrors,
+there will be no need for other tools. Until this is the not the case,
+there is the need for such a tool.
+(This has been the unchanged state of the issue for a long time,
+bugreport at Mandriva existing for a long time without any change).
+
+Anyhow, I'm not asking for such a tool as SmartUrpmi to be set up at
+mageia.org if there are technical/security issues.
+But I am sure we will have it online at other places soon because
+people will see the need.
+
+--
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/5/22 Daniel Le Berre &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">le.berred at free.fr</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">le.berred at free.fr</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 22/05/2011 09:42, Luca Olivetti a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Al 22/05/11 05:51, En/na Wolfgang Bornath ha escrit:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My
+</I>&gt;<i> main
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you
+</I>&gt;<i> could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; one session (a known bug).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Same here, I *never* managed to upgrade the distribution, without
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; using easyurpmi with manual mirror selection (the upgrade tool
+</I>&gt;<i> just removed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the existing sources and always failed to add new ones).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Bye
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I used easyurpmi for a while, mainly to add PLF sources, or to specify a
+</I>&gt;<i> specific mirror when there was some mirroring problems in MDV (hdlist
+</I>&gt;<i> not synced with repository content for instance).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As noted previously, the PLF issue does not hold for MGA.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is probably worth improving the way the current media manager is
+</I>&gt;<i> working than add yet another tool to the distrib.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could have for instance checkboxes when importing media sources with:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - select mirror: by default let the media manager find a mirror for you,
+</I>&gt;<i> else select one in a list
+</I>&gt;<i> - include tainted: by default disable access to tainted repository. Warn
+</I>&gt;<i> the user about the content of those repositories.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The main point is that people often do not know about the media manager.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe a button to that tool directly in the update app would give it
+</I>&gt;<i> more visibility, instead of looking into it on the package manager menu.
+</I>&gt;<i> Or maybe it should be an app on its own.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Daniel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, it is &quot;an app on its own&quot;, just look at Mageia Control Center.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I mean with an entry in the system/administration menu, as for other
+package related tools.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> 1 installation transaction failed:file /usr/bin/rcp from install of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; krb5-appl-clients-1.0.1-1.mga1.i586 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; krb5-appl-servers-1.0-4mdv2010.1.i586
+</I> &gt;&gt;
+ &gt;&gt; Can you fill a bug report for this one ?
+
+Done: bugzilla #1381
+
+Would it be worth the while to draft a short Mdva 2010.2-to-Mageia1
+migration memo (enumerating known problems, listing hardware where an
+update-install is not recommended; from my experience: suggest that
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+kde user-environments might be re-done using &quot;mv .kde4 sv_kde4)?
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+&gt;<i> My upgrade from a fresh installed 2010.1 runs ok.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mdv package are in the attachment
+</I>
+I guess you mean those are the mdv packages still installed. At least some
+of those (e.g. ginkgo, sam2p) are available in mageia. Did you upgrade
+using a DVD but not yet update using network media?
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would it be worth the while to draft a short Mdva 2010.2-to-Mageia1
+</I>&gt;<i> migration memo (enumerating known problems, listing hardware where an
+</I>&gt;<i> update-install is not recommended; from my experience: suggest that
+</I>&gt;<i> customized
+</I>&gt;<i> kde user-environments might be re-done using &quot;mv .kde4 sv_kde4)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think this is an good idea.
+I think an other problem is the replacement of the proprietary drivers (I
+had a prob with nvidia96)
+
+Another point the the automatic for setting the repos.
+
+Normally I install first from dvd, reboot, add repos and the do the update.
+This seems not good for the upgrade.
+Because without updating during the upgrade there are no repos set (only
+cd-rom)
+
+The repos should be set independent from update during installation.
+
+What hapens with plf repos? (I think each normal system has them)
+
+The routine for setting the repos should look for plf and then activate
+tainted.
+
+Perhaps generate an automatic &quot;urpmi -qa | mdv /plf)&quot; to get a standard file
+for missing packages.
+So everyone can send it to mageia.org.
+
+In the evening a will test an upgrage of an komplete 2010.2 (with plf, some
+muldimedia stuff, proprietary GeForce) on an KDE x86_64 system.
+I think rather near by an enviroments of an simple user.
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, 21 May 2011, magnus wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My upgrade from a fresh installed 2010.1 runs ok.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mdv package are in the attachment
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess you mean those are the mdv packages still installed. At least some
+</I>&gt;<i> of those (e.g. ginkgo, sam2p) are available in mageia. Did you upgrade using
+</I>&gt;<i> a DVD but not yet update using network media?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Christiaan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Please look to bug 1373, there is the correct list.
+The list you refer was made after the upgrade via dvd without updating.
+Inside the bug there is also the list after updating .
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+the Mandriva way of mirror selection (count me in). But this should not
+automatically be interpreted to &quot;Mageia needs easyurpm&quot;. Why not submit
+the &quot;standard&quot; mirror selection offered by Mageia to an evolution that
+takes the opinions expressed into account? - and really make things like
+easyurpm unnecessary? Mageia is a community distro!
+
+Question - what is more difficult: come to a common opinion on a
+solution where everybody is happy, or do the corresponding implementation???
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+
+&gt;<i> There appears to be a large number of users who are not satisfied with
+</I>&gt;<i> the Mandriva way of mirror selection (count me in). But this should not
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically be interpreted to &quot;Mageia needs easyurpm&quot;. Why not submit
+</I>&gt;<i> the &quot;standard&quot; mirror selection offered by Mageia to an evolution that
+</I>&gt;<i> takes the opinions expressed into account? - and really make things like
+</I>&gt;<i> easyurpm unnecessary? Mageia is a community distro!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Question - what is more difficult: come to a common opinion on a
+</I>&gt;<i> solution where everybody is happy, or do the corresponding
+</I>&gt;<i> implementation???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>There's an interesting program called apt-spy for Debian, maybe we can
+
+have some kind of tools like this?
+
+It will try to test each mirror according to the location input, then
+
+add some of the fastest into the source.list.
+
+Not too accurate, but should make some help?
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+&gt;<i> There appears to be a large number of users who are not satisfied with the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva way of mirror selection (count me in). But this should not
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically be interpreted to &quot;Mageia needs easyurpm&quot;. Why not submit the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;standard&quot; mirror selection offered by Mageia to an evolution that takes the
+</I>&gt;<i> opinions expressed into account? - and really make things like easyurpm
+</I>&gt;<i> unnecessary? Mageia is a community distro!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Question - what is more difficult: come to a common opinion on a solution
+</I>&gt;<i> where everybody is happy, or do the corresponding implementation???
+</I>
+Of course, as I said, I'd be happy if such additional 3rd party
+applications would not be necessary.
+
+I've also listed the requirements: :
+- a filter option to select only mirrors with tainted repos for those
+who want to use them (a MUST HAVE)
+- urpmi/rpmdrake being able to check the selected mirror for
+availability and uptodate status before using the mirror (a MUST HAVE)
+- ability of urpmi/rpmdrake to switch to another mirror if the
+availability and/or uptodate status is not given (a MUST HAVE)
+- option to switch the mirror during a session if connection speed is
+too slow (compared to other known mirrors) (a NICE TO HAVE)
+
+--
+wobo
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+&gt;<i> There appears to be a large number of users who are not satisfied with the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva way of mirror selection (count me in). But this should not
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically be interpreted to &quot;Mageia needs easyurpm&quot;. Why not submit the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;standard&quot; mirror selection offered by Mageia to an evolution that takes the
+</I>&gt;<i> opinions expressed into account?
+</I>
+This is more for after Mageia 1 release. Hopefully, we will have
+plenty of topics such as this one, that will be discussed/improved
+during the Summer.
+
+&gt;<i> Question - what is more difficult: come to a common opinion on a solution
+</I>&gt;<i> where everybody is happy, or do the corresponding implementation???
+</I>
+You won't please everybody anyway. So prototype something
+working/square enough for evaluation, with constraints/rules you find
+(or even better, find an existing solution - there must be some
+already existing). That suppose that the need is properly defined,
+written down first (part of it is &quot;what is not satisfying currently&quot;
+and &quot;how can this be done within Mageia infrastructure&quot;).
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+Romain
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 16:51, Juergen Harms &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There appears to be a large number of users who are not satisfied with the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva way of mirror selection (count me in). But this should not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> automatically be interpreted to &quot;Mageia needs easyurpm&quot;. Why not submit the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;standard&quot; mirror selection offered by Mageia to an evolution that takes the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> opinions expressed into account?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is more for after Mageia 1 release. Hopefully, we will have
+</I>&gt;<i> plenty of topics such as this one, that will be discussed/improved
+</I>&gt;<i> during the Summer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Question - what is more difficult: come to a common opinion on a solution
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> where everybody is happy, or do the corresponding implementation???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You won't please everybody anyway. So prototype something
+</I>&gt;<i> working/square enough for evaluation, with constraints/rules you find
+</I>&gt;<i> (or even better, find an existing solution - there must be some
+</I>&gt;<i> already existing). That suppose that the need is properly defined,
+</I>&gt;<i> written down first (part of it is &quot;what is not satisfying currently&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> and &quot;how can this be done within Mageia infrastructure&quot;).
+</I>
+I think I already defined the (long time existing) requirements properly, not?
+See the first 3 &quot;MUST HAVE&quot; points.
+
+I don't think there is an already existing solution in Mandriva/Mageia
+(as I said, it was a longterm and still existing bug in mandriva with
+no change so far).
+
+--
+wobo
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>On 22 May 2011 10:01, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/5/22 James Kerr &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 22/05/11 04:51, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I haven't used EasyUrpmi, but I used the other (similar) web tool
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> SmartUrpmi regularly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> one session (a known bug). So I used SmartUrpmi to select a mirror
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> which I knew to be fast, reliable and uptodate instead of playing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lottery with %MIRRORLIST.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Today with Mageia this risk is not high because there are not so many
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mirrors around my residence. But I still would like to select a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dedicated mirror (my own mirror) from such a list as provided by the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> web tool.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can do that in the Media Manager, File - Add a specific media mirror
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (the list of mirrors is displayed), or if your mirror is a private mirror,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File - Add a custom medium (select &quot;create media for an entire
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distribution&quot;).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I know that but it's not the point here. I sure know how to add a
+</I>&gt;<i> mirror to my /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg using vi, I sure know how to add a
+</I>&gt;<i> mirror using 'urpmi.addmedia', and I sure know how to add a mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> using &quot;Add&quot; in the media manager in MCC. But still I normally use this
+</I>&gt;<i> web tool because 1) I don't have to care for typos and 2) it's soooo
+</I>&gt;<i> convenient.
+</I>
+Open &quot;configure media sources for install and update&quot; -&gt; File -&gt; Add a
+specific media mirror:
+- it's already there on your box if you have rpmdrake installed
+- there're no typos, you don't type anything here, it fetches the list
+of mirrors and you can select the one you want
+- what's not convenient about that :)
+
+This method is the GUI equivalent of doing 'urpmi.addmedia --distrib
+&lt;mirror URL&gt;'.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The benefit of this tool (I'm referring to
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/smarturpmi/">http://www.mandrivauser.de/smarturpmi/</A> here) is
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- I see the current state of the mirrors in the list (including last
+</I>&gt;<i> sync run, checked several times a day), so I can avoid mirrors which
+</I>&gt;<i> can not be reached or are not uptodate;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- instead of having to look up the address and the location of the
+</I>&gt;<i> synthesis list and then copy it into a field in the media manager
+</I>&gt;<i> (which is a sure cause for typos) I just have to mark all
+</I>&gt;<i> media/mirrors I want to add, then click on a button and a script is
+</I>&gt;<i> transferred to my machine, no place for errors.
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- starting the script I am asked for root passwort and after that I
+</I>&gt;<i> can let the script do everything else, including a complete update -
+</I>&gt;<i> if I want to.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+<PRE>2011/5/22 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 22 May 2011 10:01, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/5/22 James Kerr &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 22/05/11 04:51, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I haven't used EasyUrpmi, but I used the other (similar) web tool
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> SmartUrpmi regularly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> one session (a known bug). So I used SmartUrpmi to select a mirror
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> which I knew to be fast, reliable and uptodate instead of playing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lottery with %MIRRORLIST.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Today with Mageia this risk is not high because there are not so many
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mirrors around my residence. But I still would like to select a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dedicated mirror (my own mirror) from such a list as provided by the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> web tool.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You can do that in the Media Manager, File - Add a specific media mirror
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (the list of mirrors is displayed), or if your mirror is a private mirror,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> File - Add a custom medium (select &quot;create media for an entire
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distribution&quot;).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, I know that but it's not the point here. I sure know how to add a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mirror to my /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg using vi, I sure know how to add a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mirror using 'urpmi.addmedia', and I sure know how to add a mirror
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using &quot;Add&quot; in the media manager in MCC. But still I normally use this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> web tool because 1) I don't have to care for typos and 2) it's soooo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> convenient.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open &quot;configure media sources for install and update&quot; -&gt; File -&gt; Add a
+</I>&gt;<i> specific media mirror:
+</I>&gt;<i> - it's already there on your box if you have rpmdrake installed
+</I>&gt;<i> - there're no typos, you don't type anything here, it fetches the list
+</I>&gt;<i> of mirrors and you can select the one you want
+</I>&gt;<i> - what's not convenient about that :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This method is the GUI equivalent of doing 'urpmi.addmedia --distrib
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mirror URL&gt;'.
+</I>
+Yes, really! I never tried this one because in Mandriva my
+main/favourite/fastest/closest mirror was not on the official mirror
+list (another story).. But this list is not showing any information
+about the update status and availability of the mirror, so it is only
+useful if you have a certain mirror in mind which you know to be
+reliable.
+
+Ok, so then this part of the case is closed, of course. Pls take my
+apologies for asking for something which is already there but I did
+not know.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 22 mai 2011 12:57:40, Louie Pham a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> How do you get this latest Adobe Flash player for x86_64 to work, since I
+</I>&gt;<i> went to Adobe site to find out. It doesn't do any must help either after
+</I>&gt;<i> download an .so file. What do I need to play with this .so files.
+</I>You need to put the library (with multiples CVE) in ~/.mozilla/plugins &amp;
+restart firefox.
+
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Ok, so then this part of the case is closed, of course. Pls take my
+</I>&gt;<i> apologies for asking for something which is already there but I did
+</I>&gt;<i> not know.
+</I>
+you already are :)
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+ <B>Luan Pham</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Adobe Flash Player for x86_64 Mageia">pham182b at gmail.com
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+ <I>Sun May 22 19:09:26 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>On Sunday, May 22, 2011 09:32:49 AM Balcaen John wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 22 mai 2011 12:57:40, Louie Pham a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How do you get this latest Adobe Flash player for x86_64 to work, since I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; went to Adobe site to find out. It doesn't do any must help either after
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; download an .so file. What do I need to play with this .so files.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You need to put the library (with multiples CVE) in ~/.mozilla/plugins &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> restart firefox.
+</I>
+That work well.
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+ <B>Thomas Spuhler</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?">thomas at btspuhler.com
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+<PRE>On Sunday, May 22, 2011 01:21:56 am Daniel Le Berre wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 22/05/2011 09:42, Luca Olivetti a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Al 22/05/11 05:51, En/na Wolfgang Bornath ha escrit:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; one session (a known bug).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Same here, I *never* managed to upgrade the distribution, without
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; using easyurpmi with manual mirror selection (the upgrade tool just
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; removed the existing sources and always failed to add new ones).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Bye
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I used easyurpmi for a while, mainly to add PLF sources, or to specify a
+</I>&gt;<i> specific mirror when there was some mirroring problems in MDV (hdlist
+</I>&gt;<i> not synced with repository content for instance).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As noted previously, the PLF issue does not hold for MGA.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is probably worth improving the way the current media manager is
+</I>&gt;<i> working than add yet another tool to the distrib.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could have for instance checkboxes when importing media sources with:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - select mirror: by default let the media manager find a mirror for you,
+</I>&gt;<i> else select one in a list
+</I>&gt;<i> - include tainted: by default disable access to tainted repository. Warn
+</I>&gt;<i> the user about the content of those repositories.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The main point is that people often do not know about the media manager.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe a button to that tool directly in the update app would give it
+</I>&gt;<i> more visibility, instead of looking into it on the package manager menu.
+</I>&gt;<i> Or maybe it should be an app on its own.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Daniel
+</I>I think this is a very valuable discussion and a need for it showing by the
+number of posts.
+
+people often do not know about the media manager:
+I was one of 'em. Where is it? In Mageia, Control Cender, Configure media, I
+didn't know a way to add a medium by hand. If I click on the add button I can
+add either an &lt;update sources only&gt; and/or a &lt;full set of sources&gt; and what
+it does, it adds a $mirrorlist as source, I do not know or have control where
+those are. I have to go to -&gt; file and then yes, I get a list. This is not very
+obvious since there is an &lt;add&gt; button.
+
+So instead I used easyurpmi old interface (which shows a lot of errors) and
+then copied and paste the command into a konsole.
+
+Maybe by adding the options to show when clicking on the add button would
+provide a good option, but I think it is is too late for Mageia 1
+
+--
+Thomas
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+<LI><A HREF="004316.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
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+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004320.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004309.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004314.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004318.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004319.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004327.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004329.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004332.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004321.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade fail on both i586 and x86_64
+</A><A NAME="4321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004325.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004311.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004310.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004333.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adobe Flash Player for x86_64 Mageia
+</A><A NAME="4333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004312.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
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+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004326.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
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+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004317.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004334.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004313.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004305.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004308.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004330.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adobe Flash Player for x86_64 Mageia
+</A><A NAME="4330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Louie Pham
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="004335.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adobe Flash Player for x86_64 Mageia
+</A><A NAME="4335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luan Pham
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004304.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004331.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004315.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004303.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
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+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004336.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004322.html">[Mageia-discuss] ugrade x86_64 ok
+</A><A NAME="4322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004328.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004323.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade fail on both i586 and x86_64
+</A><A NAME="4323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004324.html">[Mageia-discuss] ugrade x86_64 ok
+</A><A NAME="4324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004306.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
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+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004307.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade fail on both i586 and x86_64
+</A><A NAME="4307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
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+<LI><A HREF="004303.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004304.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004305.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004306.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004307.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade fail on both i586 and x86_64
+</A><A NAME="4307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004308.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004309.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004310.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004311.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004312.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004313.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004314.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004315.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004317.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004318.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004316.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004319.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004320.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004321.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade fail on both i586 and x86_64
+</A><A NAME="4321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004322.html">[Mageia-discuss] ugrade x86_64 ok
+</A><A NAME="4322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004323.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade fail on both i586 and x86_64
+</A><A NAME="4323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004324.html">[Mageia-discuss] ugrade x86_64 ok
+</A><A NAME="4324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004325.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004326.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004327.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004328.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004329.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004330.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adobe Flash Player for x86_64 Mageia
+</A><A NAME="4330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Louie Pham
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004331.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004332.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004333.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adobe Flash Player for x86_64 Mageia
+</A><A NAME="4333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004334.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004335.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adobe Flash Player for x86_64 Mageia
+</A><A NAME="4335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luan Pham
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004336.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun May 22 19:59:40 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun May 22 19:59:59 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <title>The Mageia-discuss 22 May 2011 Archive by subject</title>
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+ <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
+ </HEAD>
+ <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff">
+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>22 May 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun May 22 00:15:57 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun May 22 19:59:40 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 34<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004330.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adobe Flash Player for x86_64 Mageia
+</A><A NAME="4330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Louie Pham
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004333.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adobe Flash Player for x86_64 Mageia
+</A><A NAME="4333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004335.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adobe Flash Player for x86_64 Mageia
+</A><A NAME="4335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luan Pham
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004303.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004304.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004305.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004306.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004308.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004309.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004310.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004311.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004312.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004313.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004314.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004315.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004317.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004318.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004316.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004319.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004320.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004325.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004326.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004327.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004328.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004329.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004331.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004332.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004334.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004336.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004322.html">[Mageia-discuss] ugrade x86_64 ok
+</A><A NAME="4322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004324.html">[Mageia-discuss] ugrade x86_64 ok
+</A><A NAME="4324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004307.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade fail on both i586 and x86_64
+</A><A NAME="4307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004321.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade fail on both i586 and x86_64
+</A><A NAME="4321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004323.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade fail on both i586 and x86_64
+</A><A NAME="4323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun May 22 19:59:40 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun May 22 19:59:59 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <hr>
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+
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+ <title>The Mageia-discuss 22 May 2011 Archive by thread</title>
+ <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow">
+ <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
+ </HEAD>
+ <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff">
+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>22 May 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun May 22 00:15:57 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun May 22 19:59:40 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 34<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01306016157- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004303.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01306018761- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004304.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01306018761-01306022072- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004305.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01306022201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004306.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01306022201-01306023590- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004308.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004309.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306046968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004310.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306047651- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004311.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306048524- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004312.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306048524-01306051279- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004314.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306048524-01306051279-01306080466- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004331.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306048524-01306051279-01306080466-01306081427- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004332.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306048524-01306051279-01306080466-01306081427-01306082638- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004334.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306050147- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004313.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306050147-01306052516- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004316.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306050147-01306052516-01306052347- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004317.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306050147-01306052516-01306052347-01306055007- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004320.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306050147-01306052516-01306052347-01306055007-01306075913- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004325.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306050147-01306052516-01306052347-01306055007-01306075913-01306076325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004326.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306050147-01306052516-01306052347-01306055007-01306075913-01306077728- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004327.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306050147-01306052516-01306052347-01306055007-01306075913-01306077825- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004328.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306050147-01306052516-01306052347-01306055007-01306075913-01306077825-01306079276- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004329.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306050147-01306052516-01306053402- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004319.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306050147-01306052516-01306087180- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004336.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306051575- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004315.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306022201-01306023590-01306036300-01306051575-01306052477- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004318.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01306022344- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004307.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade fail on both i586 and x86_64
+</A><A NAME="4307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01306022344-01306059447- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004321.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade fail on both i586 and x86_64
+</A><A NAME="4321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01306022344-01306059447-01306064320- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004323.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade fail on both i586 and x86_64
+</A><A NAME="4323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01306064065- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004322.html">[Mageia-discuss] ugrade x86_64 ok
+</A><A NAME="4322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01306064065-01306064570- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004324.html">[Mageia-discuss] ugrade x86_64 ok
+</A><A NAME="4324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01306079860- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004330.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adobe Flash Player for x86_64 Mageia
+</A><A NAME="4330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Louie Pham
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01306079860-01306081969- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004333.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adobe Flash Player for x86_64 Mageia
+</A><A NAME="4333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01306079860-01306081969-01306084166- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004335.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adobe Flash Player for x86_64 Mageia
+</A><A NAME="4335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luan Pham
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun May 22 19:59:40 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun May 22 19:59:59 CEST 2011</i>
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