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This lead to +difference in specfile, as would a difference of version of the base +version ( ie 3 vs 2 ). + +2nd example : +Mageia do not plan to use systemd for now, but Fedora and Mandriva do. +So how can we do a spec file that work on both cases, except by +duplicating the work ( ie writing systemd file and still initscript ) ? + +3rd example : +Mandriva is using rpm 5, and there is some changes ( like file trigger +that use a different syntax ). Should they wait on everybody to use the +same version so they can use the newer syntax ? + +Since Mandriva used a patch that was not at this time in Fedora, should +we avoid this ? + + + +><i> Would be good if I +</I>><i> create one unique RPM and can install it in ANY RPM distro; +</I> +Well, in the end, that would mean to have only 1 rpm distribution. If +there is no functional difference between all rpm distributions, that +effectively mean we do have only one distribution, with just minor +change such as wallpapers and installed set of packages. + +><i> Still, would be good +</I>><i> if the configuration file of application foo was in the same place on distro A +</I>><i> and distro B, See: some time ago, installing Lazarus in Mandriva meaned create +</I>><i> many symlinks to app works. Why? +</I> +If the rpm ( from the distribution ) required to create symlink after +installation to work, that's a bug. +If this is not the case, then the question should be answered on a case +by case basis. + +><i> This is counterproductive and only reinforces +</I>><i> the impression that Linux is difficult to use. The idea is not that everyone +</I>><i> uses the same package installer or configuration utility, but that system basis +</I>><i> is the same. +</I> +What make people think this is difficult is also the idea itself and the +fact that we keep repeating it. I never seen anybody saying "cell phones +all use a different UI, this is too hard, I will not buy one". Yet, cell +phones is clearly a market where there is interface fragmentation, often +obscure concepts, stupid bugs and where I have helped people on their +phone more than once. + +So if people can find proper help ( and that mean help with a physical +person, ie in your LUG, or real documentation, stuff like that ), they +no longer find this to be difficult, and that's IMHO + +><i> Beyond, can someone please tell this idea for a OpenSuse, Fedora and PCLinuxOS +</I>><i> representative to see if they accept? +</I> +Well, I think it is up to you, as this is your idea and your project. +You can contact them quite easily, either on irc, or on their mailling +list. + +For fedora, i think you can find on : +<A HREF="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list</A> or +<A HREF="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list</A> + +For opensuse : +<A HREF="http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-packaging/">http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-packaging/</A> +<A HREF="http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/">http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/</A> +follow instructions on <A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists</A> + +I assume that you can also contact centos : +<A HREF="http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel">http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel</A> +<A HREF="http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos">http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos</A> + +For pclinuxos, I never met anyone at any developer or free software +meeting I did since 7 years, but I guess you can contact them using this +form : <A HREF="http://www.pclinuxos.com/?page_id=165">http://www.pclinuxos.com/?page_id=165</A> + +And for Mandriva, I think you can send a email on cooker +<A HREF="https://ml.mandriva.net/wws/info/cooker">https://ml.mandriva.net/wws/info/cooker</A> + +And for unity linux : <A HREF="http://unity-linux.org/contact/">http://unity-linux.org/contact/</A> + +Now, I think you may have overlook the various issues involved in +packaging, and, before contacting everybody ( and likely have people +understand where you are wrong 5 times ), I would suggest to look a +little bit around. + +IMHO, you should try to become a packager ( and become one ), try on +more than one distribution, discuss with people who write the policy and +there you would be in a much better position to realize your +objectives. + +And also take a look on previous attempts of doing so, as you are not +the first one to attempt this ( and so, you will likely find other +people to help you this way ). +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003762.html">[Mageia-discuss] Attention, please +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003757.html">[Mageia-discuss] Attention, please +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3768">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3768">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3768">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3768">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |