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+<PRE>Le 09/02/2011 21:22, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 9 f&#233;vrier 2011 21:20:13, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was given the task to write a contributing howto, so that we could link
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to it from the alpha download page (and from other pages if considered
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> useful).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, I'm sure I can delegate this task so that I can keep working on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other matters.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's why I'm sending this to the mailing list : what should we say in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this page, what layout, etc. ? If someone wants to propose a detailed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> outline for such a page that we could discuss, it would greatly help !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks in advance.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> I forgot to say what was implicit for me but could have to be precised : this
+</I>&gt;<i> is meant to be the starting point for people wanting to help, whatever their
+</I>&gt;<i> skills. The goal is probably to explain what kind of help people can give,
+</I>&gt;<i> then explain how they can give this help once they have chosen one or several
+</I>&gt;<i> areas of interest.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+I have started to work on this on the Mandriva wiki, still in french,
+and I could not finish it yet in french. But the basics are there.
+Perhaps we could use this in the next wiki for Mageia and complete it
+for every language.
+
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contribuer">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contribuer</A>
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+Thomas.
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+<PRE>2011/2/10 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Le 09/02/2011 21:22, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 9 f&#233;vrier 2011 21:20:13, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was given the task to write a contributing howto, so that we could link
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to it from the alpha download page (and from other pages if considered
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> useful).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, I'm sure I can delegate this task so that I can keep working on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> other matters.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's why I'm sending this to the mailing list : what should we say in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this page, what layout, etc. ? If someone wants to propose a detailed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> outline for such a page that we could discuss, it would greatly help !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks in advance.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I forgot to say what was implicit for me but could have to be precised :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is meant to be the starting point for people wanting to help, whatever
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> skills. The goal is probably to explain what kind of help people can give,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then explain how they can give this help once they have chosen one or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> several
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> areas of interest.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have started to work on this on the Mandriva wiki, still in french, and I
+</I>&gt;<i> could not finish it yet in french. But the basics are there. Perhaps we
+</I>&gt;<i> could use this in the next wiki for Mageia and complete it for every
+</I>&gt;<i> language.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contribuer">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contribuer</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+A good template may also be GNOME's site <A HREF="http://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome.">http://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome.</A> It
+seems to cover all possible themes shortly and mattef-of-factly, though, of
+course, content could and should be different. OTOH Mandriva's site is
+visually more attractive.
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+ <B>Hoyt Duff</B>
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+<PRE>I ran that page through Google Translations and it looks quite good.
+
+The initial paragraph translates as:
+Mandriva Linux is a free operating system. It can be freely modified
+and improved by its users and members of the community of this system.
+The spirit of this system is summarized in a manifesto.
+
+To me, this does not fully explain the use of &quot;free&quot; in the context of
+Mandriva/Magia. This topic (free as in beer/free as in freedom) is
+always one of much debate in any FOSS community. I propose:
+
+Mandriva Linux is an operating system based primarily on Open Source
+code and licensed in a way to provide users and developers with
+greater freedom than proprietary, restricted code. It can be modified
+and improved by its users and members of the community of this system.
+The spirit of this system is summarized in a manifesto.
+
+Nice job otherwise, although it could be more concise since it's
+supposed to be an introductory page. It will take me a while to digest
+it fully.
+
+On 2/9/11, Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 09/02/2011 21:22, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 9 f&#233;vrier 2011 21:20:13, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was given the task to write a contributing howto, so that we could link
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to it from the alpha download page (and from other pages if considered
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> useful).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, I'm sure I can delegate this task so that I can keep working on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> other matters.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's why I'm sending this to the mailing list : what should we say in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this page, what layout, etc. ? If someone wants to propose a detailed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> outline for such a page that we could discuss, it would greatly help !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks in advance.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I forgot to say what was implicit for me but could have to be precised :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is meant to be the starting point for people wanting to help, whatever
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> skills. The goal is probably to explain what kind of help people can give,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then explain how they can give this help once they have chosen one or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> several
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> areas of interest.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have started to work on this on the Mandriva wiki, still in french,
+</I>&gt;<i> and I could not finish it yet in french. But the basics are there.
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps we could use this in the next wiki for Mageia and complete it
+</I>&gt;<i> for every language.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contribuer">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contribuer</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+--
+Hoyt
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+<PRE>Le 10/02/2011 03:17, Hoyt Duff a &#233;crit
+&gt;<i> I ran that page through Google Translations and it looks quite good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The initial paragraph translates as:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux is a free operating system. It can be freely modified
+</I>&gt;<i> and improved by its users and members of the community of this system.
+</I>&gt;<i> The spirit of this system is summarized in a manifesto.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To me, this does not fully explain the use of &quot;free&quot; in the context of
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva/Magia. This topic (free as in beer/free as in freedom) is
+</I>&gt;<i> always one of much debate in any FOSS community. I propose:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux is an operating system based primarily on Open Source
+</I>&gt;<i> code and licensed in a way to provide users and developers with
+</I>&gt;<i> greater freedom than proprietary, restricted code. It can be modified
+</I>&gt;<i> and improved by its users and members of the community of this system.
+</I>&gt;<i> The spirit of this system is summarized in a manifesto.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nice job otherwise, although it could be more concise since it's
+</I>&gt;<i> supposed to be an introductory page. It will take me a while to digest
+</I>&gt;<i> it fully.
+</I>
+This page is written in French, which is a slightly more precise
+language than French.
+
+So, indeed the roles and paragraphs will have to be more precise in
+English (precise free as in free speech, the word &quot;libre&quot; actually seems
+to be used in this sense in some cases). The word free in English is
+much less evident than it's French equivalents.
+
+The work on the Mandriva Wiki is rather incomplete. But the first step
+I'd like to see when the definitive Mageia Wiki will be in place would
+be to import the Mandriva One to continue the work that has been done
+since 2007, programming a temporrary bot to rename all references to
+Mandriva into Mageia, and continue the work on such articles that are
+unachieved. The improvements are a set of wholes articles to add and
+polishing/rewriting of the existing paragraphs. It is the case for this
+article, and it is indeed important for potential and current
+contributors to find their way with more ease I believe.
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+&gt;<i> The initial paragraph translates as:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux is a free operating system.
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> To me, this does not fully explain the use of &quot;free&quot; in the context
+</I>&gt;<i> of Mandriva/Magia. This topic (free as in beer/free as in freedom)
+</I>&gt;<i> is always one of much debate in any FOSS community. I propose:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux is an operating system based primarily on Open
+</I>&gt;<i> Source code and licensed in a way to provide users and developers
+</I>&gt;<i> with greater freedom than proprietary, restricted code. It can be
+</I>&gt;<i> modified and improved by its users and members of the community of
+</I>&gt;<i> this system. The spirit of this system is summarized in a
+</I>&gt;<i> manifesto.
+</I>I think that's a problem you get through the translation. I'm quite
+sure Thomas used the french word &quot;libre&quot; which doesn't have the
+distinction in &quot;free as in beer/free as in freedom&quot;.
+I'm afraid it's only in English and German where you do have that
+double meaning. As far as I know, the french word &quot;libre&quot; can be
+translated in Italian, Spanish and Portuguese in the same way without
+getting any double meaning.
+
+Your workarround isn't reading that nicely. It shows that you were
+trying to work arround something.
+I think it's the job of the different translation teams (and we do have
+an English team) to find the right words to describe what they really
+mean.
+Perhaps - in English - it would be better to say:
+
+Mandriva Linux is a free and open source operating system. It can be
+freely modified and improved by its users and members of the community
+of this system.
+
+After all the &quot;Free Software Foundation&quot; doesn't call itself
+&quot;Foundation for Software licensed in a way to...&quot;
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+Oliver
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+Le jeudi 10 f&#233;vrier 2011 03:06:19, Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/2/10 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 09/02/2011 21:22, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le mercredi 9 f&#233;vrier 2011 21:20:13, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I was given the task to write a contributing howto, so that we could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; link to it from the alpha download page (and from other pages if
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; considered useful).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; However, I'm sure I can delegate this task so that I can keep working
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; on other matters.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; That's why I'm sending this to the mailing list : what should we say in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; this page, what layout, etc. ? If someone wants to propose a detailed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; outline for such a page that we could discuss, it would greatly help !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks in advance.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I forgot to say what was implicit for me but could have to be precised :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; is meant to be the starting point for people wanting to help, whatever
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; their
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; skills. The goal is probably to explain what kind of help people can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; give, then explain how they can give this help once they have chosen one
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; or several
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; areas of interest.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have started to work on this on the Mandriva wiki, still in french, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I could not finish it yet in french. But the basics are there. Perhaps we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could use this in the next wiki for Mageia and complete it for every
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; language.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contribue">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contribue</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;r
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thomas.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A good template may also be GNOME's site <A HREF="http://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome.">http://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome.</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems to cover all possible themes shortly and mattef-of-factly,
+</I>&gt;<i> though, of course, content could and should be different. OTOH Mandriva's
+</I>&gt;<i> site is visually more attractive.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Would someone want to start a quick &quot;how to contribute&quot; page (which can be
+refined later) so that we have something for alpha release, so ideally before
+the end of this week-end ?
+
+Samuel
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+&gt;<i> Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2011-02-10
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The initial paragraph translates as:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva Linux is a free operating system.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To me, this does not fully explain the use of &quot;free&quot; in the context
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of Mandriva/Magia. This topic (free as in beer/free as in freedom)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is always one of much debate in any FOSS community. I propose:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva Linux is an operating system based primarily on Open
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Source code and licensed in a way to provide users and developers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with greater freedom than proprietary, restricted code. It can be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; modified and improved by its users and members of the community of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this system. The spirit of this system is summarized in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; manifesto.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that's a problem you get through the translation. I'm quite
+</I>&gt;<i> sure Thomas used the french word &quot;libre&quot; which doesn't have the
+</I>&gt;<i> distinction in &quot;free as in beer/free as in freedom&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm afraid it's only in English and German where you do have that
+</I>&gt;<i> double meaning. As far as I know, the french word &quot;libre&quot; can be
+</I>&gt;<i> translated in Italian, Spanish and Portuguese in the same way without
+</I>&gt;<i> getting any double meaning.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your workarround isn't reading that nicely. It shows that you were
+</I>&gt;<i> trying to work arround something.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it's the job of the different translation teams (and we do have
+</I>&gt;<i> an English team) to find the right words to describe what they really
+</I>&gt;<i> mean.
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps - in English - it would be better to say:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux is a free and open source operating system. It can be
+</I>&gt;<i> freely modified and improved by its users and members of the community
+</I>&gt;<i> of this system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After all the &quot;Free Software Foundation&quot; doesn't call itself
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Foundation for Software licensed in a way to...&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi
+
+I've seen some english-speaking conference where the word &quot;libre&quot; was use
+instead of &quot;free as free speach&quot;.
+For one time, it's english who appropriate an french word.
+
+Perhaps can we use it too ?
+
+
+My 2 cents
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of
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+<PRE>It is funny how English is a mongrel language evolved from French (which
+used to be the language of the gentry in England up 'til around the
+fourteenth century I think), German, Latin and Scandinavian across the
+centuries, and how every other language in the world now takes English
+words and uses them.
+
+In the case of libre, I believe it used to be a word commonly used in
+English, but fell out of fashion. I suppose liberate and liberty are the
+closest derived words commonly in use.
+
+It's fair to say that it's the closest we have in terms of
+differentiating between the French words &quot;gratuit&quot; and &quot;libre&quot;. It's
+odd, because often in English we have two words for the same thing (eg
+start/commence) where we have kept the German and French words in use;
+in this case we have one word for two meanings!
+
+On 10/02/11 08:32, Marianne Lombard wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've seen some english-speaking conference where the word &quot;libre&quot; was
+</I>&gt;<i> use instead of &quot;free as free speach&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> For one time, it's english who appropriate an french word.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps can we use it too ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My 2 cents
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+&gt;<i> 2011/2/10 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2011-02-10
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The initial paragraph translates as:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've seen some english-speaking conference where the word &quot;libre&quot; was use
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of &quot;free as free speach&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> For one time, it's english who appropriate an french word.
+</I>
+One time ? You're forgetting &quot;Rendez-vous&quot;, &quot;voil&#224;&quot; (not sure if they
+use &quot;a&quot; instead &quot;&#224;&quot;) and probably a lot of more. &quot;sport&quot; is more
+interesting since it's a french word (desport) used by english speaker
+as &quot;sport&quot; and backing to France.
+
+Britain people came enough in France long time ago to steal words to us
+:<i>)
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Britain people came enough in France long time ago to steal words to us
+</I>
+No, we took French words to England when Guillaume le Batard took over the
+country (and to Scotland in the days of the Auld Alliance).
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+&gt;<i> On Thursday 10 February 2011, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i> from Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Britain people came enough in France long time ago to steal words to us
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, we took French words to England when Guillaume le Batard took over the
+</I>&gt;<i> country (and to Scotland in the days of the Auld Alliance).
+</I>
+On this side of the pond, we rather call him &quot;Guillaume le
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+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 10 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 07:28 -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thursday 10 February 2011, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;from Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Britain people came enough in France long time ago to steal words to us
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, we took French words to England when Guillaume le Batard took over the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> country (and to Scotland in the days of the Auld Alliance).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On this side of the pond, we rather call him &quot;Guillaume le
+</I>&gt;<i> conqu&#233;rant&quot; :)
+</I>
+Now, could you all please forget about all this, it's almost 1000 years ago. :)
+Actually it were not the true residents of the british isle who were
+conquered by William, it were the Anglo-Saxons, themselves being
+former conquerors of the british isle. When William won the battle of
+Hastings in 1066 the real islanders had retreated to Wales, Scotland
+and Ireland long before.
+
+And now, what did the English do in those 1000 years of relationship
+between France and England? They adopted the worst (french parts of
+the language) and rejected the best: the french cuisine (well, any
+kind of cuisine). :)
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+Le jeudi 10 f&#233;vrier 2011 12:35:56, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> And now, what did the English do in those 1000 years of relationship
+</I>&gt;<i> between France and England? They adopted the worst (french parts of
+</I>&gt;<i> the language) and rejected the best: the french cuisine (well, any
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of cuisine). :)
+</I>
+They adopted the french cuisine... word. :)
+
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+<PRE>Le 10/02/2011 12:37, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> They adopted the french cuisine... word. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+Only the word indeed... :-D
+
+...oh c'mon, british cuisine isn't the only relative stereotype you can
+find in Europe... See this -&gt;
+<A HREF="http://www.math.muni.cz/~vopatova/piccies/euro.png">http://www.math.muni.cz/~vopatova/piccies/euro.png</A>
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+Aside of this, so, where would you place the contributing how-to then?
+Because there isn't any definitive platform for the website and
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+On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 07:28 -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
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+&gt;<i> No, we took French words to England when Guillaume le Batard took over the
+</I>&gt;<i> country (and to Scotland in the days of the Auld Alliance).
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I must admit that I have always preferred the French name for &quot;William the Conqueror&quot;. ;-)
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+ from Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; who wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Britain people came enough in France long time ago to steal words to us
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; No, we took French words to England when Guillaume le Batard took over
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the country (and to Scotland in the days of the Auld Alliance).
+</I>
+&gt;<i> On this side of the pond, we rather call him &quot;Guillaume le conqu&#233;rant&quot; :)
+</I>
+I would have thought you called him &quot;Sire&quot; ;-3p
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+Le jeudi 10 f&#233;vrier 2011 12:52:47, Thomas Lottmann a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The temporary wiki can be used for that, would rename the &quot;Teams&quot; section into
+&quot;Contributing : Teams&quot;, and add a very short introductory text + a link to a
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le jeudi 10 f&#233;vrier 2011 12:35:56, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And now, what did the English do in those 1000 years of relationship
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; between France and England? They adopted the worst (french parts of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the language) and rejected the best: the french cuisine (well, any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; kind of cuisine). :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They adopted the french cuisine... word. :)
+</I>
+Sure, Britain like our &quot;cuisine&quot;.
+
+We all know the famous english cookbook, inspired by french:
+&quot;How to cook a virgin, Rouen method&quot; tested the 30 May 1431 :)
+
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc</A>
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>--
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the case of libre, I believe it used to be a word commonly used in
+</I>&gt;<i> English, but fell out of fashion. I suppose liberate and liberty are the
+</I>&gt;<i> closest derived words commonly in use.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+In the US, the only common use of libre is in the name of a cocktail,
+&quot;Cuba Libre&quot; (it's rum and cola). &quot;Free&quot; is commonly understood to
+refer to price or cost without additional context. &quot;Freedom&quot; is more
+akin to liberty and the concepts evoked by the European use of
+&quot;libre&quot;.
+
+
+For example, when I introduce LibreOffice to people unfamiliar with
+FOSS, they first associate it with the alcoholic beverage Cuba Libre
+and are confused -- &quot;Is this a drinking game? I can't use that at
+work.&quot; Dismissing them as uninformed is pointless since it's a matter
+of context, not intelligence.
+
+
+So yes, some additional context is required for an English translation
+because in this instance, libre is a mostly European-centric idiom.
+You must write for and to your audience in order for it to be
+effective.
+
+
+As for precision in one language versus another, any language can be
+precise within its own community. Translation renders any argument
+about precision moot.
+
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+
+&gt;<i> &gt; They adopted the french cuisine... word. :)
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Sure, Britain like our &quot;cuisine&quot;.
+</I>
+There is nothing wrong with English cuisine.
+
+Until they start cooking it.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
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+ -- Ernest Hemingway
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+ <B>Hoyt Duff</B>
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+<PRE>On 2/10/11, Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> * Samuel Verschelde (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">stormi at laposte.net</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le jeudi 10 f&#233;vrier 2011 12:35:56, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; And now, what did the English do in those 1000 years of relationship
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; between France and England? They adopted the worst (french parts of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; the language) and rejected the best: the french cuisine (well, any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; kind of cuisine). :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They adopted the french cuisine... word. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sure, Britain like our &quot;cuisine&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We all know the famous english cookbook, inspired by french:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;How to cook a virgin, Rouen method&quot; tested the 30 May 1431 :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;<i> CNRS - LATMOS
+</I>&gt;<i> &#9814; &#9816; &#9815; &#9813; &#9812; &#9815; &#9816; &#9814;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Can we keep this old and tired French vs. English vs .whatever
+diatribe out of Mageia discussions?
+
+At best it's merely friendly jibes (and I realize the humour has a
+long history and tradition) ; at worst it's ugly bigotry and
+egocentrism (which also has a long history). I find it difficult to
+believe that it has any place in making Mageia a community. I'm not
+advocating political correctness or criticising those who espouse it,
+I just believe it has more appropriate places to exist than in the
+Mageia community.
+
+I'm certain everybody is proud of their cultural heritage and history,
+but this expression of it contributed to making me stop participating
+in the editing of Mandrake docs after version 7.x.
+
+--
+Hoyt
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+Discussions are happening in the Artwork and Marketing lists, please
+join in!
+
+There&#180;s a resource here for putting together colour palettes:
+
+<A HREF="http://colorschemedesigner.com/">http://colorschemedesigner.com/</A>
+
+If you play around with palettes (use all the resources), there&#180;s a
+clickable link generated on the right side that you can post to the list
+with your suggestions for use. Please use it!
+
+We need to come up with an official palette for Mageia, for the Artwork
+team, and on the same principles as for the logo (see here):
+
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide</A>
+
+Remember, we need to stay right away from the Mandriva colour scheme,
+not to mention the schemes in use by other distros.
+
+We&#180;re looking forward to your input!
+
+Cheers,
+
+
+--
+Patricia Fraser
+On the move
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+<PRE>Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le jeudi 10 f&#233;vrier 2011 03:06:19, Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/2/10 Thomas Lottmann&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 09/02/2011 21:22, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 9 f&#233;vrier 2011 21:20:13, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was given the task to write a contributing howto, so that we could
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> link to it from the alpha download page (and from other pages if
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> considered useful).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, I'm sure I can delegate this task so that I can keep working
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on other matters.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's why I'm sending this to the mailing list : what should we say in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this page, what layout, etc. ? If someone wants to propose a detailed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> outline for such a page that we could discuss, it would greatly help !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks in advance.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I forgot to say what was implicit for me but could have to be precised :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is meant to be the starting point for people wanting to help, whatever
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> their
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> skills. The goal is probably to explain what kind of help people can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> give, then explain how they can give this help once they have chosen one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or several
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> areas of interest.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have started to work on this on the Mandriva wiki, still in french, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I could not finish it yet in french. But the basics are there. Perhaps we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> could use this in the next wiki for Mageia and complete it for every
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> language.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contribue">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contribue</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> r
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A good template may also be GNOME's site <A HREF="http://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome.">http://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome.</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It seems to cover all possible themes shortly and mattef-of-factly,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> though, of course, content could and should be different. OTOH Mandriva's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> site is visually more attractive.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would someone want to start a quick &quot;how to contribute&quot; page (which can be
+</I>&gt;<i> refined later) so that we have something for alpha release, so ideally before
+</I>&gt;<i> the end of this week-end ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+I took a quick look at Thomas' page and it is quite impressive. No
+doubt it could be improved/elaborated somewhat, but translated in its
+present form (with references to Mandriva replaced by Mageia, of course)
+would make an excellent contribution for the alpha release.
+(Since the alpha is basically a test, it doesn't have to be perfect.)
+(A plus is we will already have a version in french as well.)
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At best it's merely friendly jibes (and I realize the humour has a
+</I>&gt;<i> long history and tradition)
+</I>
+That's all it is.
+
+We are all aware that bigottery, fanatic nationalism and all those bad
+vibes have nothing to do with such a multinational community - it's
+the same good-humoured bantering as between blondes and the rest of
+the world or whatever you choose.
+
+Don't take it seriously at all.
+
+--
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+<PRE>2011/2/10 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Discussions are happening in the Artwork and Marketing lists, please
+</I>&gt;<i> join in!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There&#180;s a resource here for putting together colour palettes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colorschemedesigner.com/">http://colorschemedesigner.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you play around with palettes (use all the resources), there&#180;s a
+</I>&gt;<i> clickable link generated on the right side that you can post to the list
+</I>&gt;<i> with your suggestions for use. Please use it!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need to come up with an official palette for Mageia, for the Artwork
+</I>&gt;<i> team, and on the same principles as for the logo (see here):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remember, we need to stay right away from the Mandriva colour scheme,
+</I>&gt;<i> not to mention the schemes in use by other distros.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We&#180;re looking forward to your input!
+</I>
+As an additional note:
+We discussed this &quot;color&quot; issue between sips of beer last Friday and
+there were also these points:
+
+Almost all possible colors have been used by this or that
+distribution, think of the different colors of the Mandriva editions.
+so there is not much room for new colors - what IMHO makes the
+difference is not the color on its own but the combination of color
+and design.
+So, yes we can use a color scheme which may be similar to another
+distribution but will be quite different in design.
+
+--
+wobo
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hoyt Duff&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2011-02-10
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The initial paragraph translates as:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux is a free operating system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To me, this does not fully explain the use of &quot;free&quot; in the context
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of Mandriva/Magia. This topic (free as in beer/free as in freedom)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is always one of much debate in any FOSS community. I propose:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux is an operating system based primarily on Open
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Source code and licensed in a way to provide users and developers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with greater freedom than proprietary, restricted code. It can be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> modified and improved by its users and members of the community of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this system. The spirit of this system is summarized in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> manifesto.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that's a problem you get through the translation. I'm quite
+</I>&gt;<i> sure Thomas used the french word &quot;libre&quot; which doesn't have the
+</I>&gt;<i> distinction in &quot;free as in beer/free as in freedom&quot;.
+</I>
+I agree. No ambiguity in French. (being fluent in English &amp; French)
+Note that google translations are often extremely poor, due to misplaced
+context.
+
+&gt;<i> I'm afraid it's only in English and German where you do have that
+</I>&gt;<i> double meaning. As far as I know, the french word &quot;libre&quot; can be
+</I>&gt;<i> translated in Italian, Spanish and Portuguese in the same way without
+</I>&gt;<i> getting any double meaning.
+</I>
+That is my understanding as well.
+
+&gt;<i> Your workarround isn't reading that nicely. It shows that you were
+</I>&gt;<i> trying to work arround something.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it's the job of the different translation teams (and we do have
+</I>&gt;<i> an English team) to find the right words to describe what they really
+</I>&gt;<i> mean.
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps - in English - it would be better to say:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux is a free and open source operating system. It can be
+</I>&gt;<i> freely modified and improved by its users and members of the community
+</I>&gt;<i> of this system.
+</I>
+Much better :)
+
+&gt;<i> After all the &quot;Free Software Foundation&quot; doesn't call itself
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Foundation for Software licensed in a way to...&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>
+
+--
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+<PRE>On 2/10/11, andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hoyt Duff&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2011-02-10
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps - in English - it would be better to say:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux is a free and open source operating system. It can be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> freely modified and improved by its users and members of the community
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of this system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Much better :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+I concur.
+
+--
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+<PRE>As one outside of that banter, it's often difficult to tell the
+difference and find an appreciation for it. Although I suppose I never
+will appreciate the use of &quot;my little cabbage&quot; as a term of
+endearment.
+
+It is, however, an overall interesting and rewarding experience
+working in a multi-national, multi-cultural environment.
+
+On 2/10/11, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/2/10 Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At best it's merely friendly jibes (and I realize the humour has a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> long history and tradition)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's all it is.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are all aware that bigottery, fanatic nationalism and all those bad
+</I>&gt;<i> vibes have nothing to do with such a multinational community - it's
+</I>&gt;<i> the same good-humoured bantering as between blondes and the rest of
+</I>&gt;<i> the world or whatever you choose.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't take it seriously at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+--
+Hoyt
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+&gt;<i> As one outside of that banter,
+</I>
+That's the point. Of course almost all human humour can be
+&quot;un-appreciated&quot; from the outside.
+As I can laugh about me, my nation, my religion, my non-existant cat,
+I'm almost always inside. :)
+
+Now, we'd rather end this OT, otherwise we may get whipped with humour... :)
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 10 f&#233;vrier 2011 18:53:55, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 10 f&#233;vrier 2011 03:06:19, Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/2/10 Thomas Lottmann&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Le 09/02/2011 21:22, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Le mercredi 9 f&#233;vrier 2011 21:20:13, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I was given the task to write a contributing howto, so that we could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; link to it from the alpha download page (and from other pages if
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; considered useful).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; However, I'm sure I can delegate this task so that I can keep working
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; on other matters.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; That's why I'm sending this to the mailing list : what should we say
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in this page, what layout, etc. ? If someone wants to propose a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; detailed outline for such a page that we could discuss, it would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; greatly help !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks in advance.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I forgot to say what was implicit for me but could have to be precised
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; : this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; is meant to be the starting point for people wanting to help, whatever
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; their
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; skills. The goal is probably to explain what kind of help people can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; give, then explain how they can give this help once they have chosen
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; one or several
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; areas of interest.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I have started to work on this on the Mandriva wiki, still in french,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; and I could not finish it yet in french. But the basics are there.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Perhaps we could use this in the next wiki for Mageia and complete it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; for every language.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contrib">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contrib</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; ue r
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Thomas.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; A good template may also be GNOME's site
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome.">http://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome.</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It seems to cover all possible themes shortly and mattef-of-factly,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; though, of course, content could and should be different. OTOH
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mandriva's site is visually more attractive.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Would someone want to start a quick &quot;how to contribute&quot; page (which can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be refined later) so that we have something for alpha release, so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ideally before the end of this week-end ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I took a quick look at Thomas' page and it is quite impressive. No
+</I>&gt;<i> doubt it could be improved/elaborated somewhat, but translated in its
+</I>&gt;<i> present form (with references to Mandriva replaced by Mageia, of course)
+</I>&gt;<i> would make an excellent contribution for the alpha release.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Since the alpha is basically a test, it doesn't have to be perfect.)
+</I>&gt;<i> (A plus is we will already have a version in french as well.)
+</I>
+I just created the page : <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=contribute">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=contribute</A>
+
+Still hoping for a courageous volunteer to do the work for me :)
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>As Marcello pointed out, mageia-app-db is not the best name we can find for our
+application database.
+
+So let's try to find one :)
+
+Some constraints :
+- preferably a name without &quot;Mageia&quot; in it. Why ? Because this tool could be
+used for various distributions. Of course, the Mageia instance will have
+Mageia's logo and name on it (and we are creating it as a part of the Mageia
+project), but if someday another distribution wants to use it, it will feel
+weird to have Mageia in the application name. In fact, I already plan to run
+instances of the application for opensuse, fedora and mandriva (no, nobody
+asked me to do it, but it will be easy to do, and this will help me keep in
+mind that the application must not entirely depend on distribution specific
+stuff, or only via modules/plugins).
+- a name with a meaning carrying at least some part of the goals of the
+application, but without forgetting that it's still an application (and
+packages) database.
+
+Some people have already proposed :
+
+Mageia Find Out
+Mageia Application Database/Discovery/Foundry
+Mageia Application Warehouse/Mall/Store/Shop
+Mageia - Explore Applications
+Mageia - World of Applications
+
+But other suggestions are still welcome.
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Feb 10 01:51:08 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Feb 10 23:58:12 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 31<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003445.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003446.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003447.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003448.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003449.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003450.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003451.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003452.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003453.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003454.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003455.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003456.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003457.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003458.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003459.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simon Parsons
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003460.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003461.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003462.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003463.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003465.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003464.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003466.html">[Mageia-discuss] Colour palette for Mageia artwork
+</A><A NAME="3466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003467.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003468.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003469.html">[Mageia-discuss] Colour palette for Mageia artwork
+</A><A NAME="3469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003470.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003472.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003471.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003473.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003474.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003475.html">[Mageia-discuss] A name for mageia-app-db
+</A><A NAME="3475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Feb 10 23:58:12 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Feb 10 23:58:23 CET 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
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+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ <title>The Mageia-discuss 10 February 2011 Archive by subject</title>
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+ <h1>10 February 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Feb 10 01:51:08 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Feb 10 23:58:12 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 31<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003475.html">[Mageia-discuss] A name for mageia-app-db
+</A><A NAME="3475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003466.html">[Mageia-discuss] Colour palette for Mageia artwork
+</A><A NAME="3466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003469.html">[Mageia-discuss] Colour palette for Mageia artwork
+</A><A NAME="3469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003445.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003446.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003447.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003448.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003449.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003450.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003451.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003452.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003453.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003454.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003455.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003456.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003457.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003458.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003459.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simon Parsons
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003460.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003461.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003462.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003463.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003465.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003464.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003467.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003468.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003470.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003472.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003471.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003473.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003474.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Feb 10 23:58:12 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Feb 10 23:58:23 CET 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <hr>
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+ <h1>10 February 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Feb 10 01:51:08 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Feb 10 23:58:12 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 31<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01297299068- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003445.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01297299068-01297303579- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003446.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01297299068-01297303579-01297326415- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003450.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01297299068-01297303579-01297326415-01297360435- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003467.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297303579-01297326415-01297360435-01297375785- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003474.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01297299068-01297304224- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003447.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01297299068-01297304224-01297304887- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003448.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003449.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003451.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297328098- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003452.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297328098-01297355242- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003463.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297332512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003453.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297332512-01297333729- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003454.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297332512-01297333729-01297336113- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003455.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297332512-01297333729-01297336113-01297337756- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003456.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297332512-01297333729-01297336113-01297337756-01297337868- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003457.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297332512-01297333729-01297336113-01297337756-01297337868-01297338767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003458.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297332512-01297333729-01297336113-01297337756-01297337868-01297338767-01297347779- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003461.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297332512-01297333729-01297336113-01297337756-01297337868-01297354955- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003462.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297332512-01297333729-01297336113-01297337756-01297337868-01297354955-01297356371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003465.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297332512-01297333729-01297336113-01297337756-01297337868-01297354955-01297356371-01297360611- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003468.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297332512-01297333729-01297336113-01297337756-01297337868-01297354955-01297356371-01297360611-01297361138- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003472.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
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+<LI><A HREF="003473.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297332512-01297333729-01297336113-01297337756-01297337868-01297354955-01297357846- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003464.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297332512-01297333729-01297336113-01297347609- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003460.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297326761-01297332512-01297333729-01297340373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003459.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simon Parsons
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297360995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003470.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01297299068-01297304224-01297321936-01297360995-01297361354- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003471.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</A><A NAME="3471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01297359360- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003466.html">[Mageia-discuss] Colour palette for Mageia artwork
+</A><A NAME="3466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01297359360-01297360925- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003469.html">[Mageia-discuss] Colour palette for Mageia artwork
+</A><A NAME="3469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01297378692- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003475.html">[Mageia-discuss] A name for mageia-app-db
+</A><A NAME="3475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
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