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+ <B>Diego Bello</B>
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+ <I>Sat Dec 18 21:30:24 CET 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Michael scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:44:00AM +0100, Juergen Harms wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I just found this message from Florian Hubold in the cooker mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;todays update for mandriva-release-common from main/updates from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;2010.1 breaks mirrorlist and therefore urpm*-tools altogether
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;when a placeholder like $RELEASE is used with mirrorlist,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;and as this seems to be the default setup, many machines
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;will be hit by this, effectively disabling package management.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The server for the Mandriva forums appears to be (already?) broken,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; no possibility to warn people via that evident way - maybe this copy
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can help to minimise annoyance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, so I doubt people will listen to me, and I know that you are trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> help,
+</I>&gt;<i> but this is mageia-discuss, not mandriva-discuss.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we start to discuss Mandriva breakage and evolution here, people will
+</I>&gt;<i> not
+</I>&gt;<i> really see the 2 community as separate. And if they do not see us as a
+</I>&gt;<i> separate
+</I>&gt;<i> community, we will carry the bad reputation of Mandriva for the next 10
+</I>&gt;<i> years
+</I>&gt;<i> because people will think &quot;mageia == mandriva&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you surely doubt, reputation is z problem that can be quite hard and
+</I>&gt;<i> long
+</I>&gt;<i> to overcome as we learned in the past, and quite damaging for the success
+</I>&gt;<i> of a project
+</I>&gt;<i> in the long run. So it
+</I>&gt;<i> is better to start now, by simply being fully separate from Mandriva and by
+</I>&gt;<i> doing everything
+</I>&gt;<i> we can to make sure we are not seen as a 2nd Mandriva. And this include
+</I>&gt;<i> seeing Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> community as a separate entity, not as another Mandriva users community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So in the light of this explanation, could people please keep Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> related topic
+</I>&gt;<i> on Mandriva mailling list ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Considering that most of us here are still using Mandriva, cause there has
+not been a Mageia release yet, it is important that we know something can be
+broken in the system we use to work and collaborate to Mageia.
+
+I do agree that, in the near future, we should focus only in Mageia, but for
+now we are still in between worlds.
+
+--
+Diego Bello Carre&#241;o
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