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+<PRE>Le vendredi 10 d&#233;cembre 2010 19:58:11 Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid, vous avez &#233;crit
+:<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; It's not even a question of tool here. The decision process was
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; presented, explained ahead of it to happen, several times, here, on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the wiki page, and no serious objection was raised about it. The way
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this decision happened, for that matter, from the founding board,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; having read, checked and reflected upon the feedback from the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; community, is legitimate. Questioning this after the game is...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; curious.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is some strange to me, and i have to accept i mistake when i did
+</I>&gt;<i> not do my part &quot;complaint&quot; about it before.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We will improve and use the voting platform for further decisions, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; there will be decisions that will be taken only from the board, or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from the council or from all team members, depending on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; context/decision; but not from anyone just passing by.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well i understand that will exist decisions that only board can do,
+</I>&gt;<i> but really the logo is one of that decisions ?, i am not sure about
+</I>&gt;<i> that.
+</I>Hello,
+
+
+The process was clear directly at the begining, nothing hidden (on mageia's
+blog), a decision is made so from the board and all we know that is impossible
+to have 100% opinion pro of such subjective subject. If you have &gt; 50% you can
+feel happy :-)
+
+Turn the page for this and let's go forward now :-)
+
+A+
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 10 december 2010 23:02:02 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+&gt;<i> On 19 September 2010 17:54, Jerome Quelin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jquelin at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; here's a mail that i received from anne wilson, of kde's fame:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ----- Forwarded message from Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; -----
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:57:14 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; From: Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jquelin at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Subject: Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.34.4-0.1-default; KDE/4.5.1; i686; ;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm no longer subscribed to the Mandriva mailing lists, but a friend
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; forwards interesting messages to me. Two of my family still run
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mandriva (I maintain their systems) and I hope to have another convert
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; soon. The recent news about Mandriva has been a blow to me. I cut my
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Linux teeth on Mandrake 8.x. When the call for members to invest, I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; was there. I was one of the original club members. It felt like the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; end of a long story, for me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So, to the reason for this email. I see you have got your IRC channels
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; set up. Consider having a forum on forum.kde.org - the admins are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; helpful and welcoming. I'm the de facto maintainer of content on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; UserBase (see my sig), so ping me when ever you want Mageia specifics
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mentioning there.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Good luck to you all. I'll be watching.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; KDE Community Working Group
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; New to KDE Software? - get help from <A HREF="http://userbase.kde.org">http://userbase.kde.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ----- End forwarded message -----
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so, for our forum overlords in here - this may be interesting to take
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that into account.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; j&#233;r&#244;me
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jquelin at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess a sub-forum for a KDE app might fit in forum.kde.org; but not
+</I>&gt;<i> for a full fledged distro...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The forum of a distro will get posts about all sorts of software
+</I>&gt;<i> (other DE's, kernel, hardware, drakxtools... etc), not just
+</I>&gt;<i> kde-related problems. So I don't think sub-forum in forum.kde.org will
+</I>&gt;<i> do it for a distro (just my humble 0.02&#8364; worth).
+</I>
+i donno, it might be yet another mageia (sub-)community.
+
+and possibly also a way to gather more users/testers during alpha testing.
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+<PRE>On 10 December 2010 20:51, Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">j.alberto.vc at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But i think a tread in mailing list or even a dedicated mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for receive votes for logos was fit very well as poll tool :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There's already a dedicated app for that, Epoll.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But was restringed use for board members, the actual mandriva call for
+</I>&gt;<i> backgrounds look better way to do things (users only have to mark as
+</I>&gt;<i> favorite the backgrounds and the most marked will be chosen)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The wallpapers you're talking about were packaged in contrib, i.e.
+they weren't the official wallpapers in the distro at all. While here
+we're talking about an official logo for Mageia.
+
+Also, what I said still stands, don't only complain _after_ the fact;
+the whole process was laid out clearly well before the final decision
+was made, anyone who had objections should have spoke up before that
+IMHO.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>On 10 December 2010 22:03, Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">j.alberto.vc at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Diego Bello &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dbello at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A wallpaper is aomething that won't represent a distro, it will only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make it pretier. A logo is something that will represent the distro,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so, for me, it is totally understandable that the board members chose
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the one.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A logo will never please everybody because every person has his or her
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> own opinions and preferences.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, but the distribution need to be something that all
+</I>&gt;<i> community feel their own, so i think the logo is not a decision only
+</I>&gt;<i> for the board, in more democratic process will see less &quot;complaints&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> (at less not mines ;) )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+(Well, no, whatever logo was chosen and even if every single member in
+the founders and community voted, there would still have been
+complaints, that's a fact of life; you can't ever please everyone at
+any given point in time... :)).
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 11 December 2010 12:24, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 10 december 2010 23:02:02 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 19 September 2010 17:54, Jerome Quelin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jquelin at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; here's a mail that i received from anne wilson, of kde's fame:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ----- Forwarded message from Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:57:14 +0100
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; From: Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jquelin at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Subject: Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.34.4-0.1-default; KDE/4.5.1; i686; ;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm no longer subscribed to the Mandriva mailing lists, but a friend
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; forwards interesting messages to me. &#160;Two of my family still run
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mandriva (I maintain their systems) and I hope to have another convert
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; soon. &#160;The recent news about Mandriva has been a blow to me. &#160;I cut my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Linux teeth on Mandrake 8.x. &#160;When the call for members to invest, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; was there. &#160;I was one of the original club members. &#160;It felt like the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; end of a long story, for me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So, to the reason for this email. &#160;I see you have got your IRC channels
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; set up. &#160;Consider having a forum on forum.kde.org - the admins are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; helpful and welcoming. &#160;I'm the de facto maintainer of content on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; UserBase (see my sig), so ping me when ever you want Mageia specifics
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mentioning there.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Good luck to you all. &#160;I'll be watching.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; KDE Community Working Group
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; New to KDE Software? - get help from <A HREF="http://userbase.kde.org">http://userbase.kde.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ----- End forwarded message -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; so, for our forum overlords in here - this may be interesting to take
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; that into account.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; j&#233;r&#244;me
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jquelin at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I guess a sub-forum for a KDE app might fit in forum.kde.org; but not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for a full fledged distro...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The forum of a distro will get posts about all sorts of software
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (other DE's, kernel, hardware, drakxtools... etc), not just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kde-related problems. So I don't think sub-forum in forum.kde.org will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do it for a distro (just my humble 0.02&#8364; worth).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i donno, it might be yet another mageia (sub-)community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and possibly also a way to gather more users/testers during alpha testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Having a sub- community isn't necessarily a good thing; it should be
+done only when needed, e.g. the localised forums (MLO, MUD... etc).
+But for the English-speaking community one official forum should do,
+(this is my own opinion, anyway).
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>I want to point to skiper's blog, who gave the whole &quot;Logo&quot; issue some
+thought. It is titled, &quot;Mageia logo - I don't like it&quot;.
+
+But what he writes is very different from the usual &quot;I don't like it,
+it's ugly&quot; posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why
+he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although
+I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did
+not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his
+opinion.
+
+BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the
+decision finding process.
+
+ <A HREF="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</A>
+
+Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>Den 2010-12-11 11:42:25 skrev Ahmad Samir:
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I guess a sub-forum for a KDE app might fit in forum.kde.org; but not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; for a full fledged distro...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The forum of a distro will get posts about all sorts of software
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (other DE's, kernel, hardware, drakxtools... etc), not just
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; kde-related problems. So I don't think sub-forum in forum.kde.org will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; do it for a distro (just my humble 0.02&#8364; worth).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i donno, it might be yet another mageia (sub-)community.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and possibly also a way to gather more users/testers during alpha
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Having a sub- community isn't necessarily a good thing; it should be
+</I>&gt;<i> done only when needed, e.g. the localised forums (MLO, MUD... etc).
+</I>&gt;<i> But for the English-speaking community one official forum should do,
+</I>&gt;<i> (this is my own opinion, anyway).
+</I>
+I agree to that, absolutely. - Basically...
+
+However it might be an idea to have KDE-only related discussions on a
+sub-forum at KDE.
+
+If so it should be clearly stated on Mageia main forum that KDE related
+questions should be postet there, and link to there.
+
+(and a sticky post a KDE sub forum sould tell users to post oter questions @
+Mageia, link)
+
+Having such sub forum @ KDE gives:
+
+1) Mageia users more easily get to read tips, workarounds whatever regarding
+KDE
+
+2) Mageia get a bit more visibility, hopefully attracting users and maybe
+developers.
+
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2010/12/11 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Having a sub- community isn't necessarily a good thing; it should be
+</I>&gt;<i> done only when needed, e.g. the localised forums (MLO, MUD... etc).
+</I>&gt;<i> But for the English-speaking community one official forum should do,
+</I>&gt;<i> (this is my own opinion, anyway).
+</I>
+Sorry, but I have to quote this as an example of &quot;sub-community at its best&quot;:
+
+This is the entry to the announcement of the english speaking
+mageiausers.org forum, founded by the maintainer of mandrivausers.org:
+<A HREF="http://www.mageiausers.org/discussion/8/about-mageia-users/#Item_1">http://www.mageiausers.org/discussion/8/about-mageia-users/#Item_1</A>
+
+&quot;From the founders of other Linux support success stories such as
+MandrivaUsers.org, comes Mageia users; the largest english speaking
+Mageia Linux support forum in the world. &quot;
+
+:<i>)
+</I>
+--
+wobo
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I want to point to skiper's blog, who gave the whole &quot;Logo&quot; issue some
+</I>&gt;<i> thought. It is titled, &quot;Mageia logo - I don't like it&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But what he writes is very different from the usual &quot;I don't like it,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's ugly&quot; posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why
+</I>&gt;<i> he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did
+</I>&gt;<i> not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his
+</I>&gt;<i> opinion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the
+</I>&gt;<i> decision finding process.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)
+</I>
+Interesting that he makes exactly the same criticism that I made during
+the selection process : the logo is too simple.
+Anyway, it is done.
+
+( But his criticism did make me think that we could turn it into a nest,
+with a colourful simply drawn bird in it. But I'm getting carried away
+... again )
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+<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> I want to point to skiper's blog, who gave the whole &quot;Logo&quot; issue some
+</I>&gt;<i> thought. It is titled, &quot;Mageia logo - I don't like it&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But what he writes is very different from the usual &quot;I don't like it,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's ugly&quot; posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why
+</I>&gt;<i> he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did
+</I>&gt;<i> not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his
+</I>&gt;<i> opinion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the
+</I>&gt;<i> decision finding process.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yep, good reading, but IMHO a logo it's just a logo, though I had
+preferred it to be more refined or cool too. But I think there is room
+for 3D improvements maybe. At the first sight such logo appeared to me
+as a &quot;fish&quot;. Regarding the comments, the logo is something which should
+immediately represent a product or a brand (even if you don't attach a
+script), that's because called logo. The compass based logo sound cool,
+but IMHO it represent at first sight a well painted compass.
+
+Anyway once you see the logo several times at once you'll soon identify
+it with the product. IMHO this is the power of a logo. A good experiment
+could be: take all the distro logo (e.g. from distrowatch) in random
+order then try to identify to which brand they own...
+
+Bye
+Giuseppe.
+
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 11 december 2010 11:42:25 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+&gt;<i> On 11 December 2010 12:24, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Op vrijdag 10 december 2010 23:02:02 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 19 September 2010 17:54, Jerome Quelin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jquelin at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; here's a mail that i received from anne wilson, of kde's fame:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; ----- Forwarded message from Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; -----
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:57:14 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; From: Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jquelin at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Subject: Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.34.4-0.1-default; KDE/4.5.1;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; i686; ; )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm no longer subscribed to the Mandriva mailing lists, but a friend
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; forwards interesting messages to me. Two of my family still run
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Mandriva (I maintain their systems) and I hope to have another
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; convert soon. The recent news about Mandriva has been a blow to me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I cut my Linux teeth on Mandrake 8.x. When the call for members to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; invest, I was there. I was one of the original club members. It
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; felt like the end of a long story, for me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; So, to the reason for this email. I see you have got your IRC
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; channels set up. Consider having a forum on forum.kde.org - the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; admins are helpful and welcoming. I'm the de facto maintainer of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; content on UserBase (see my sig), so ping me when ever you want
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Mageia specifics mentioning there.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Good luck to you all. I'll be watching.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; KDE Community Working Group
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; New to KDE Software? - get help from <A HREF="http://userbase.kde.org">http://userbase.kde.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; ----- End forwarded message -----
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; so, for our forum overlords in here - this may be interesting to take
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; that into account.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; j&#233;r&#244;me
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jquelin at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I guess a sub-forum for a KDE app might fit in forum.kde.org; but not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; for a full fledged distro...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The forum of a distro will get posts about all sorts of software
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (other DE's, kernel, hardware, drakxtools... etc), not just
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; kde-related problems. So I don't think sub-forum in forum.kde.org will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; do it for a distro (just my humble 0.02&#8364; worth).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i donno, it might be yet another mageia (sub-)community.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and possibly also a way to gather more users/testers during alpha
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Having a sub- community isn't necessarily a good thing; it should be
+</I>&gt;<i> done only when needed, e.g. the localised forums (MLO, MUD... etc).
+</I>&gt;<i> But for the English-speaking community one official forum should do,
+</I>&gt;<i> (this is my own opinion, anyway).
+</I>
+
+the problem with sub-communities (even i18n) is that you need someone who
+wants to manage is and be a bridge between mageia and the sub-community.
+
+I do agree that it seems like it'd be easier if there is only 1 item /
+division; but if all the sub-communities are managed well and have good
+connections to it's parent; then i see no problem.
+
+one could argue that someone who is bridging; could also be doing other
+usefull stuff.
+
+otoh, if that KDE person wants to be the bridge, and she can handle it, she
+can do it, imho.
+
+if it's &quot;official&quot; or not... well that's another question ...
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+<PRE>Em S&#225;bado 11 Dezembro 2010, &#224;s 08:51:10, Wolfgang Bornath escreveu:
+&gt;<i> I want to point to skiper's blog, who gave the whole &quot;Logo&quot; issue some
+</I>&gt;<i> thought. It is titled, &quot;Mageia logo - I don't like it&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But what he writes is very different from the usual &quot;I don't like it,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's ugly&quot; posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why
+</I>&gt;<i> he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did
+</I>&gt;<i> not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his
+</I>&gt;<i> opinion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the
+</I>&gt;<i> decision finding process.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-wit">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-wit</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> h-it/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)
+</I>
+
+
+Guys,
+
+
+Obs: excuse my poor english, with the help (and the errors) of the tool-google
+languages.
+
+
+I think the logo Mageia is great.
+
+Many years ago I was impressed with the millions of dollars spent by
+Sony to make its logo, which resulted in nothing more than its simple name..
+Was a surprise to me, so much money for just that. Now I understand that
+simplicity of the logo can be a great advantage.
+
+And I think that's not right to compare the new and raw mageia logo with the
+logos already mature and polished after years of work and very money from big
+companies.
+
+The Mageia Linux community formed by volunteers and not by a company, I don't
+see reason to change the logo or make another selection process. I think this
+is a waste of time and effort (and ignores the work already done) and does not
+educate, because, in my opinion, the selection process was transparent and
+democratic and the outcome was appropriate.
+
+So, congratulations to the team by Mageia overcome all these steps
+organization of infrastructure and logo - which in my view is excellent -
+Now, come to what is really essential: continue to organize everything
+necessary to launch the alpha version of the Linux distribution mageia.
+
+Hugs.
+
+
+
+***************************************
+
+
+Pessoal,
+
+Obs: desculpem meu ingl&#234;s fraco, com a ajuda (e os erros) da ferramenta
+google- idiomas
+
+Acho que a logomarca da Mageia est&#225; &#243;tima.
+
+Muitos anos atr&#225;s fiquei impressionado com os milh&#245;es de d&#243;lares gastos pela
+Sony para fazer sua logomarca, que resultou em nada mais que seu nome simples.
+Foi uma surpresa para mim, tanto dinheiro para s&#243; aquilo. Hoje entendo que a
+simplicidade do logo pode ser uma grande vantagem.
+
+E acho que n&#227;o est&#225; certo comparar a nova e crua logomarca da Mageia com os
+logos j&#225; lapidados e maduros ap&#243;s anos de trabalho e muito dinheiro de grandes
+empresas.
+
+A comunidade Mageia linux &#233; formada por volunt&#225;rios e n&#227;o por uma
+empresa. N&#227;o vejo motivo para trocar o logo ou fazer outro processo de
+escolha. Acho isso um desperd&#237;cio de tempo e trabalho (e desconsidera o
+trabalho j&#225; feito) e n&#227;o educa pois, na minha opini&#227;o, o processo de escolha
+foi democr&#225;tico e transparente e o resultado foi adequado.
+
+Por isso, parab&#233;ns para a equipe Mageia por superar todas essas etapas de
+organiza&#231;&#227;o da infraestrutura e do logo - que no meu entender est&#225; excelente -
+Agora, vamos ao que realmente &#233; essencial: continuar a organizar tudo que for
+necess&#225;rio para o lan&#231;amento da vers&#227;o alfa da distribui&#231;&#227;o Mageia Linux.
+
+Abra&#231;os.
+</PRE>
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I want to point to skiper's blog, who gave the whole &quot;Logo&quot; issue some
+</I>&gt;<i> thought. It is titled, &quot;Mageia logo - I don't like it&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But what he writes is very different from the usual &quot;I don't like it,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's ugly&quot; posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why
+</I>&gt;<i> he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did
+</I>&gt;<i> not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his
+</I>&gt;<i> opinion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the
+</I>&gt;<i> decision finding process.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of
+Mandriva's star? On first sight I don't see one.
+
+--
+Mit freundlichen Gr&#252;&#223;en
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva's star? On first sight I don't see one.
+</I>
+I don't know, I do not see &quot;Mandriva star&quot; mentioned in his article.
+
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+&gt;<i> Also, what I said still stands, don't only complain _after_ the fact;
+</I>&gt;<i> the whole process was laid out clearly well before the final decision
+</I>&gt;<i> was made, anyone who had objections should have spoke up before that
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO.
+</I>
+For the process side is not sense to &quot;complaint&quot; (i always mention
+complaint between &quot; because i really not &quot;complaint&quot; only try to
+highlight something than don't like me), but as long some people
+recognize the process was not perfect, highlight aspects what
+consider bad in the process maybe will help to future similar process
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+&gt;<i> 2010/12/11 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva's star? On first sight I don't see one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know, I do not see &quot;Mandriva star&quot; mentioned in his article.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That's correct. But he mentioned that he didn't find a meaning in our Logo
+so I thought about the star I see here in Mandriva and if I'm able to find a
+meaning in it. But I didn't find one.
+He only brought up examples of Logos where you're able to see a meaning like
+the one in Windows, as he tried to explain in his post.
+
+
+--
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+
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+&gt;<i> (Well, no, whatever logo was chosen and even if every single member in
+</I>&gt;<i> the founders and community voted, there would still have been
+</I>&gt;<i> complaints, that's a fact of life; you can't ever please everyone at
+</I>&gt;<i> any given point in time... :)).
+</I>
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/12/11 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva's star? On first sight I don't see one.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know, I do not see &quot;Mandriva star&quot; mentioned in his article.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's correct. But he mentioned that he didn't find a meaning in our Logo
+</I>&gt;<i> so I thought about the star I see here in Mandriva and if I'm able to find a
+</I>&gt;<i> meaning in it. But I didn't find one.
+</I>&gt;<i> He only brought up examples of Logos where you're able to see a meaning
+</I>&gt;<i> like the one in Windows, as he tried to explain in his post.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Offtopic but wasn't it connected to the magic wand and Mandrake the
+</I>Magician?
+
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Mit freundlichen Gr&#252;&#223;en
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Daniel Kreuter
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Daniel Kreuter
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva's star? On first sight I don't see one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Mandriva entered the world named &quot;Mandrake&quot;, after Mandrake the
+Magician, a syndicated newspaper comic strip. The original logo
+featured a top hat, magic wand and a star.
+
+&quot;Mandrake the Magician&quot; is however protected by copyright, so a name
+change was in order. With the merger of Connective and Mandrake,
+Mandriva was born.
+
+I suppose they kept the star as a link to the Mandrake heritage and
+since the copyright-infringing items were the name, top hat and wand,
+but not the star, keeping the star was OK. The original name survives
+in the drak* tools.
+
+--
+Hoyt
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+<I>Daniel Kreuter
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+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<I>Marek Laane
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