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+</I>><i> +</I>><i> You don't even need to write a description, usually you can just +</I>><i> copy&paste it from the web site of the software. +</I>><i> Thing is, if the packager does it it's a 1 minute job, if some user +</I>><i> emails it to him, the packager still has to check the description and +</I>><i> then paste it into the spec file, so it saves no time at all. +</I>><i> +</I> +It saves the packagers time as he does not need to check the website... +Yes, he still needs to check the description, but he has to do that +anyway even if he copy&paste it himself... + +And not all webpages have a good description for every package... + +>><i> We could rely on the packagers for everything, but 1) that doesn't scale +</I>>><i> 2) that doesn't work. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> With all due respect, but when talking about a simple description for +</I>><i> each package this is nonsense. +</I>><i> +</I> +Well, take a "simple description", multiply it with the amount of +packages in the repo and you see its ends up being _a lot_ + +And there is also packagers that are not native english speakers, +or the package is not available with a english website and so on... + +So there is still a place for the community to help out... + + +>><i> And that doesn't work because packagers ( at least me ) most of the time +</I>>><i> do not read descriptions, so they do not see something is wrong. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What descriptions do you not read? +</I>><i> The ones of Fedora spec files you simply copy&paste? +</I>><i> +</I> +Well, when a packager uses a ready made spec for a package, he most +surely wont check the description so much as he assumes its already ok. + + +And a description that a packager may think is ok, might still mean +nothing to the enduser, so enduser is most welcome to propose changes... + + +>><i> Managing and knowing softwares is our duty, which place use in a +</I>>><i> position far away from someone that discover the system. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Exactly because the packager knows the software he/she packages, it's +</I>><i> easiest for her/him to add a suitable description. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Kde had 3 majors releases since I started to use Linux, so of course +</I>>><i> the packages descriptions change, yet I didn't read them since years. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't understand your point, you surely didn't use the same spec +</I>><i> files for most kde4 packages as for kde3? +</I>><i> +</I> +Without a doubt most of it got reused with a simple s/kde3/kde4/ +(or as many packages use a simple %{name} so it will change + if package name changes) + +>><i> So again, why does people do not send improved description ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Finding who the correct packager is, isn't trivial at all, the changelog +</I>><i> often contains various names and the Mdv web site packager list often +</I>><i> doesn't match the names in the spec file. +</I>><i> +</I> +You dont need to find the packager... +Just enter a bug (enhancement) report and BugZilla and it will know... +(and if bugzilla is way off, Triage will assign it...) + +Thats all that is needed... + +Now if the community cant be bothered to report a simple bug/enhancement +request, why should the packager bother as +the software works anyhow which still is much more important. + +"hey, this package is broken, but I dont care as it has a nice +description" :) + +><i> I tell you what: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If I will have full access to all spec files as a Mageia packager, I +</I>><i> will myself add descriptions to many packages if others don't mind, I +</I>><i> don't have a problem with that as long as I can do it directly myself, +</I>><i> without having to contact each fellow packager first. +</I>><i> +</I> +Well, thats exactly the Community spirit :) + +Packages are stored in a VCS (svn, git) where every packager have commit +access (with a few exeptions to the some core packages such as glibc), +so they can make changes. + +That's also what several contributors have done over the years... + +><i> But if I have to find the email of the packager for each package that +</I>><i> has a bad or missing description then I won't bother, that would be a +</I>><i> waste of everyone's time. +</I> +So if you think its a waste of time to do a little work to improve a +package description, why do you expect the packager to think different ? + +-- +Thomas +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002592.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002595.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2594">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2594">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2594">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2594">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |