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What's the point in packaging up a great useful app, but then +</I>><i> > > saving time on the description so nobody but a few insiders use it, +</I>><i> > > because nobody know what it is for? +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Even I still come across packages I have never heard of and then wonder +</I>><i> > > what they are for, immagine a newbie who doesn't really know any of the +</I>><i> > > Linux apps by name. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Well, writing better description is a task that do not requires +</I>><i> > technical knowledge, and that any packagers could do, if people send a +</I>><i> > patch. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Come on... the effort of adding a decent description is minimal for a +</I>><i> packager, the effort for a normal user of making a patch is much +</I>><i> higher, this is not a very friendly answer towards the users... +</I> +I think I demonstrated in the past that constant friendliness toward +users is not one of my distinctive characteristics. + +The patch arguent is invalid, because people can also send mail, like +"here is a better description of package $FOO because I didn't +understood the current one and I wanted to help". + +So while sending a email and finding the packager email can be hard for +some people, I doubt that sending a email is hard for everybody. + +If writing a decent description is easy and almost effortless, and if +sending a email is easy, then what is difficult into doing both ? + +><i> > Since I never received anything for my own packages for this kind of +</I>><i> > problem, shall I assume that my packages are fine ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't know which ones are your packages, this wasn't meant personally +</I>><i> towards you or anyone specific, I don't think including a decent package +</I>><i> description in all Mageia packages (each packager for their own +</I>><i> packages) is such a bad or hard thing to ask for. +</I> +If this is not a hard task, my question still stand, why does no one, be +it packagers and non packagers do it ? + +We could rely on the packagers for everything, but 1) that doesn't scale +2) that doesn't work. + +That doesn't scale because packagers time is a finite ressource. + +And that doesn't work because packagers ( at least me ) most of the time +do not read descriptions, so they do not see something is wrong. +Managing and knowing softwares is our duty, which place use in a +position far away from someone that discover the system. Kde had 3 +majors releases since I started to use Linux, so of course the packages +descriptions change, yet I didn't read them since years. And the same +could be said of most packagers. + +And I think that most of use naively think "if something is wrong, at +least 1 person will say it". yet, it doesn't happen. + +So if we want to scale and make it work, then we need to find how to +make people who are directly concerned contribute. And so, the best way +to find why something didn't happen is to simply ask to people who are +directly concerned. + +So again, why does people do not send improved description ? Because +they fear we will nuke them from orbit ? Because our email are so +obfuscated that no one can find them ? + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002589.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002592.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2590">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2590">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2590">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2590">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |