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If enough people agree with your objective, you +</I>><i> > > may find that you have enough critical mass to produce a derived distro +</I>><i> > > with a face and personality which matches your objectives. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This is one of the interesting elements of FOSS marketing that I've +</I>><i> > talked about in the past. That Marketing department, which in a +</I>><i> > corporate world always has the ear of management more so than the +</I>><i> > Development people simply because of human interaction capabilities, has +</I>><i> > to turn it's focus inward. The problem is, an one I've been trying to +</I>><i> > avoid here, is that it becomes insular to the exclusion of all else and +</I>><i> > then the community stagnates and spirals into irrelevancy. For the +</I>><i> > community to grow there has to be a dynamism, (and I'm talking grow in +</I>><i> > terms of the community of contributors) Userland is the big billboard +</I>><i> > of that dynamism. Ubuntu for all it's faults and annoyances has taught +</I>><i> > us one thing, high visibility in Userland attracts contributors. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then what Fedora and Debian has taught us ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Because AFAIK there is also lots of contributors in Fedora, as there is +</I>><i> in Debian, and I think they didn't really choose the high visibility +</I>><i> path to get them. So I do not think we can really find a direct +</I>><i> correlation between "ubuntu has lots of users" and "there is lots of +</I>><i> contribution". +</I> + +Debian is an interesting case in viral marketing in a highly interconnected +demographic. I always remember the "OMG we have a new release!" that used to +race round the maillists and Usergroups. It never really had a market share, +rather it had almost a monopoly in its chosen demographic. It is deliberately +eclectic and famously stubborn and being part of the community is as important +as the software itself, I mean he named it after his wife and himself, Deb and +Ian, how cool is that. It was just that attitude that endeared it to it's +chosen community and good on them. Slackware and Gentoo have a similar ethic. +And more power to them. It wasn't until Ubuntu came along that Debian gained +much in the way of widespread traction. However it was it's obsession with +stability that attracted the Mark. They could afford to break things because +they had this super stable backstop, but at the end of the day, Debian counts +the Ubuntu user as it's community, I would be interested to know how many more +developers Debian picked up in the wake of Ubuntu's popularity, I certainly +know quite a few. Certainly HPs support was post Ubuntu startup + +Fedora has the benefit of age, being around a long time and focusing in the +corporate space is a good way to lift profile in your preferred market. I +don't have any figures unfortunately but I would suspect many came from Red +Hat sites. + +In any case, both are in fact very small in terms of the whole desktop market +and even in terms of all developers. + + + +><i> +</I>><i> My own opinion is that Canonical pay 5 people full time to take care of +</I>><i> the community growth +</I>><i> ( <A HREF="http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/">http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/</A> ), and that's +</I>><i> the main reason for contribution from outsiders. +</I> +Tsk a badly dressed marketing team ;) I'm not denying that marketing to +bring in Code Contributors is a necessary thing and in fact we've already +identified this group as our initial, primary target market, however the fact +that Ubuntu is high profile out in the market place gives Jono and crew a hell +of a lot more leverage to bring in new talent. + + +><i> The same goes for +</I>><i> Fedora and Redhat +</I>><i> ( <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture</A> ) +</I> +It's interesting that you point to that URL, I'm a big believer in the Biology +of Community that the Fedora guys talk about. + +The principle idea behind it is that once a community reaches a critical mass +it becomes self sustaining, in the case of the Mageia community that would be +the point where you could remove all of the founders from the mix and it would +keep going. + +To me that requires a whole community, it is a holistic beast. Yes you can +continue a community that rides on the coat tails of a single person or core +group but is it self sustaining. + +Fedora has reached this point I think and would continue if RedHat was removed +from the equation. Would Ubuntu continue without Shuttleworth and Canonical, +I'm not sure, but I reckon they are a long way toward it. OOo wasn't, but +LibreOffice has the opportunity to be. Debian, I don't know the community +well enough to comment. + +The point is that community goes right across the spectrum of users +Not enough of the community at the User end of the spectrum is as untenable as +not enough at the Makers end. The trick is balance, that's what the Fedora +project has taught us + +Cheers +GL + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002489.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2488">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2488">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2488">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2488">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002489.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002489.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d610b9d14 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002489.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin8kfoZNpifq8%3DWykb5t4LhfeAKPphG_tCNKZK6%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002488.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002490.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin8kfoZNpifq8%3DWykb5t4LhfeAKPphG_tCNKZK6%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 04:15:56 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002488.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002490.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2489">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2489">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2489">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2489">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/19 Graham Lauder <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>>: + +><i> The principle idea behind it is that once a community reaches a critical mass +</I>><i> it becomes self sustaining, in the case of the Mageia community that would be +</I>><i> the point where you could remove all of the founders from the mix and it would +</I>><i> keep going. +</I> +I guess Mageia is the result of Mandriva reaching it's critical mass +(plus other conflicts). We removed Mandriva-the-company (the founder) +and obtained a self sustaining project. + +Cheers! + + +Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002488.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002490.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2489">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2489">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2489">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2489">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002490.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002490.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ea61f5b56 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002490.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010201539.29409.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002489.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002495.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Graham Lauder</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010201539.29409.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">yorick_ at openoffice.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 04:39:29 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002489.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002495.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2490">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2490">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2490">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2490">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wednesday 20 Oct 2010 15:15:56 Gustavo Giampaoli wrote: +><i> 2010/10/19 Graham Lauder <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>>: +</I>><i> > The principle idea behind it is that once a community reaches a critical +</I>><i> > mass it becomes self sustaining, in the case of the Mageia community +</I>><i> > that would be the point where you could remove all of the founders from +</I>><i> > the mix and it would keep going. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I guess Mageia is the result of Mandriva reaching it's critical mass +</I>><i> (plus other conflicts). We removed Mandriva-the-company (the founder) +</I>><i> and obtained a self sustaining project. +</I> + +Critical mass is not a conflict, critical mass is a point where you can take +out pieces that were once essential to the project without it dying because +there is sufficient backup to replace that which was removed. Mandriva never +had critical mass, that was the point, it required a single corporate entity +to keep it going. At this point Mageia doesn't have critical mass because we +rely on the founders so much. We will get there, however it takes time. + +Cheers +GL + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002489.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002495.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2490">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2490">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2490">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2490">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002491.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002491.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..667004efe --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002491.html @@ -0,0 +1,127 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Positive%20Reinforcement&In-Reply-To=%3C826886.89494.qm%40web29604.mail.ird.yahoo.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002523.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002492.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement</H1> + <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Positive%20Reinforcement&In-Reply-To=%3C826886.89494.qm%40web29604.mail.ird.yahoo.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 10:53:00 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002523.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002492.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2491">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2491">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2491">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2491">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>My idea was, as George said, an meta-task that installs, over the GUI of your +choice, a kind of game catalog very simple to use. +To push it further, I imagine something like "Game Market Place" app from where +one can install all the frre/open source games already available in the distro, +but also the possibility to buy the commercial ones, like steam :) + +If I'm so in advance with my ideas please tell me to STOP :) + +I have three kids and when it came to computer all that they are interested in +(at this younger age) are GAMES, and I love playing games together with them. +Mageia could contribute to this "family magic" :) + +PS: "crazy geeks" was a flattery for you as I admire a lot people that can do +things I'll never do, in some kind they do "magic" for me ;) + +Best regards, +Florin Catalin RUSSEN +Romanian Translation Team + + + +----- Original Message ---- +From: Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>> +To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> +Sent: Tue, 19 October, 2010 22:02:51 +Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement + +Le 2010-10-19 13:30, George J. Walsh a écrit : +><i> Morning, Marc: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I sent a private note to Florin, supporting his wish for gaming support +</I>><i> in Mageia because of the Mandriva history of attempting to offer a full +</I>><i> package for users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That got me thinking about the possible use of a 'meta task' setup to +</I>><i> handle major divisions. After all, that's what MCC attempts to install +</I>><i> web services, desktops, data bases and printers. So why not gaming? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As I explained to Florin, it is my feeling that there is a lot of gaming +</I>><i> out there which is commercial and therefore not even ported to Linux, +</I>><i> but then again, I just don't know. (I don't play games :-)) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I also explained my geekiness was more in the world of psychobabble than +</I>><i> with computerese. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> By the way, nice to have an exchange with a fellow Canadian. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The best, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> George +</I>><i> +</I> + +Thanks, nice to exchange with you as well. Hope the Gaming support comes +through. We will see what we can do. + +Marc +Waterloo ON Canada +Marketing Team Member + + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002523.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002492.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2491">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2491">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2491">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2491">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002492.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002492.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5981a9957 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002492.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Positive%20Reinforcement&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vkvb67e7ct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002491.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002493.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement</H1> + <B>Kira</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Positive%20Reinforcement&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vkvb67e7ct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 11:48:34 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002491.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002493.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2492">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2492">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2492">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2492">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>在 Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:53:00 +0800, Catalin Florin RUSSEN +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>>寫道: + +><i> My idea was, as George said, an meta-task that installs, over the GUI of +</I>><i> your +</I>><i> choice, a kind of game catalog very simple to use. +</I>><i> To push it further, I imagine something like "Game Market Place" app +</I>><i> from where +</I>><i> one can install all the frre/open source games already available in the +</I>><i> distro, +</I>><i> but also the possibility to buy the commercial ones, like steam :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If I'm so in advance with my ideas please tell me to STOP :) +</I>><i> +</I> +The similar idea has been discussed in the blog of one developer, + +(Federik Crozat? I forget.) Actually we already have the structure, + +just like in form of rpmdrake, but currently rpmdrake is still package + +centered, not program centered. If we can manage the package installation + +process by the name of program, and let the part of installed package + +showed in the expert, then we are very close to the idea. + +AFAIK, there's been a proposal about having screenshot in the rpmdrake +before? + +Maybe this idea should be consider together. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002491.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002493.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2492">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2492">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2492">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2492">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002493.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002493.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..38c251988 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002493.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Positive%20Reinforcement&In-Reply-To=%3C201010201208.09773.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002492.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002494.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Positive%20Reinforcement&In-Reply-To=%3C201010201208.09773.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 12:08:09 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002492.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002494.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2493">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2493">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2493">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2493">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 10:53:00, Catalin Florin RUSSEN a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> My idea was, as George said, an meta-task that installs, over the GUI of your +</I>><i> choice, a kind of game catalog very simple to use. +</I>><i> To push it further, I imagine something like "Game Market Place" app from where +</I>><i> one can install all the frre/open source games already available in the distro, +</I>><i> but also the possibility to buy the commercial ones, like steam :) +</I>><i> +</I> +Just for information, take a look at the djl package in Mandriva Linux. Unfortunately, the main developer stopped working on it, but the project welcomes new devs ! It's coded in python. + +Regards + +Samuel Verschelde + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002492.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002494.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2493">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2493">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2493">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2493">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002494.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002494.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4c4fa5e68 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002494.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3C201010200936.05383.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002493.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002497.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, </H1> + <B>MacXi</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3C201010200936.05383.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, ">terraagua at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 13:36:05 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002493.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002497.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2494">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2494">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2494">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2494">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Em Sáb 02 Out 2010, às 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu: + +><i> Could you please send a HTML version of this file ? 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If enough people agree with your objective, you +</I>><i> > > > may find that you have enough critical mass to produce a derived distro +</I>><i> > > > with a face and personality which matches your objectives. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > This is one of the interesting elements of FOSS marketing that I've +</I>><i> > > talked about in the past. That Marketing department, which in a +</I>><i> > > corporate world always has the ear of management more so than the +</I>><i> > > Development people simply because of human interaction capabilities, has +</I>><i> > > to turn it's focus inward. The problem is, an one I've been trying to +</I>><i> > > avoid here, is that it becomes insular to the exclusion of all else and +</I>><i> > > then the community stagnates and spirals into irrelevancy. For the +</I>><i> > > community to grow there has to be a dynamism, (and I'm talking grow in +</I>><i> > > terms of the community of contributors) Userland is the big billboard +</I>><i> > > of that dynamism. Ubuntu for all it's faults and annoyances has taught +</I>><i> > > us one thing, high visibility in Userland attracts contributors. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Then what Fedora and Debian has taught us ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Because AFAIK there is also lots of contributors in Fedora, as there is +</I>><i> > in Debian, and I think they didn't really choose the high visibility +</I>><i> > path to get them. So I do not think we can really find a direct +</I>><i> > correlation between "ubuntu has lots of users" and "there is lots of +</I>><i> > contribution". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Debian is an interesting case in viral marketing in a highly interconnected +</I>><i> demographic. I always remember the "OMG we have a new release!" that used to +</I>><i> race round the maillists and Usergroups. It never really had a market share, +</I>><i> rather it had almost a monopoly in its chosen demographic. It is deliberately +</I>><i> eclectic and famously stubborn and being part of the community is as important +</I>><i> as the software itself, I mean he named it after his wife and himself, Deb and +</I>><i> Ian, how cool is that. It was just that attitude that endeared it to it's +</I>><i> chosen community and good on them. Slackware and Gentoo have a similar ethic. +</I>><i> And more power to them. It wasn't until Ubuntu came along that Debian gained +</I>><i> much in the way of widespread traction. However it was it's obsession with +</I>><i> stability that attracted the Mark. They could afford to break things because +</I>><i> they had this super stable backstop, but at the end of the day, Debian counts +</I>><i> the Ubuntu user as it's community, I would be interested to know how many more +</I>><i> developers Debian picked up in the wake of Ubuntu's popularity, I certainly +</I>><i> know quite a few. Certainly HPs support was post Ubuntu startup +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Fedora has the benefit of age, being around a long time and focusing in the +</I>><i> corporate space is a good way to lift profile in your preferred market. I +</I>><i> don't have any figures unfortunately but I would suspect many came from Red +</I>><i> Hat sites. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In any case, both are in fact very small in terms of the whole desktop market +</I>><i> and even in terms of all developers. +</I> +Small in term of direct users, but they are the one with the more +contributers, and therefor, the one that are likely to survive in the +long term. And while it is not a stated goal of Mageia, I hope it is +obvious to everybody that we ( aka the founders ) forked the project +because we wanted it to survive in case of problem on Mandriva side. + +If we look at the number of contributers in the overall free software +distribution community. I think that Debian and Fedora are one of the +biggest one. + +The fedora account system tell me there is 21000 members in the group of +people who signed the contributer level agreement ( CLA ), around 1100 +in the packager group, around 100 in the marketing group. I suspect that +opening a account is required to edit the wiki or something like that, +hence the high number of accounts. + +A quick search on debian ldap directory ( ldapsearch -x -H +<A HREF="ldap://db.debian.org">ldap://db.debian.org</A> -b ou=users,dc=debian,dc=org +'(objectClass=debianAccount)' ) tell me there is around 1650 accounts, +which roughly translate to the same number of packagers for the time +being. + +Ubuntu "only" have 650 people in the ubuntu-member group +( <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers">https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers</A> ), which is a superset of the +various groups. There is 160 people who can upload to Universe ( ie, +their version of what mandriva called "contribs" ) +( <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/~universe-contributors">https://launchpad.net/~universe-contributors</A> ), and there was 970 who +subscribed to have their packages reviewed +( <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/~revu-uploaders">https://launchpad.net/~revu-uploaders</A> ). + +When you compare to the 3000 people who committed to gnome since the +beggining ( source, gnome census of Dave Neary ), the 500 currently +active contributers of kde +( <A HREF="http://www.kdenews.org/2009/07/14/growth-metrics-kde-contributors">http://www.kdenews.org/2009/07/14/growth-metrics-kde-contributors</A> ) or +the 700 who contributed to 2.6.20 ( <A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/222773/">http://lwn.net/Articles/222773/</A> ), +you see the number are not much different. + +So while they may be small in term of market of users, they are the one +who successfully attracted some of the biggest community of +contributers. + +And attracting contributors is the key of the sustainability we should +aim. + +><i> > +</I>><i> > My own opinion is that Canonical pay 5 people full time to take care of +</I>><i> > the community growth +</I>><i> > ( <A HREF="http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/">http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/</A> ), and that's +</I>><i> > the main reason for contribution from outsiders. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Tsk a badly dressed marketing team ;) +</I> +Nope. +The team of Jono have been quite concerned with organisation ( see the +various track at UDS ), they produced some code to help on various level +( acire, python-snippet ), wrote some documentations ( for the various +community process ) and they also try to act as mediator ( see Jono +book, chapter 9 ) when there is a conflict. + +This IMHO exceed the scope of a marketing team. + + +><i> I'm not denying that marketing to +</I>><i> bring in Code Contributors is a necessary thing and in fact we've already +</I>><i> identified this group as our initial, primary target market, however the fact +</I>><i> that Ubuntu is high profile out in the market place gives Jono and crew a hell +</I>><i> of a lot more leverage to bring in new talent. +</I> +They do not seem to attract so much new talent, if we look at the +metrics I gave before. Or at least, they are not more successful that +Fedora or Gentoo ( back in the day when Gentoo was all the rage, some +years ago in 2005 ). Of course, they are more successful than we were in +Mandriva, so that's not bad either. + + +><i> > The same goes for +</I>><i> > Fedora and Redhat +</I>><i> > ( <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture</A> ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It's interesting that you point to that URL, I'm a big believer in the Biology +</I>><i> of Community that the Fedora guys talk about. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The principle idea behind it is that once a community reaches a critical mass +</I>><i> it becomes self sustaining, in the case of the Mageia community that would be +</I>><i> the point where you could remove all of the founders from the mix and it would +</I>><i> keep going. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To me that requires a whole community, it is a holistic beast. Yes you can +</I>><i> continue a community that rides on the coat tails of a single person or core +</I>><i> group but is it self sustaining. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Fedora has reached this point I think and would continue if RedHat was removed +</I>><i> from the equation. +</I> +Time may tell us sooner than we think. + +><i> Would Ubuntu continue without Shuttleworth and Canonical, +</I>><i> I'm not sure, but I reckon they are a long way toward it. OOo wasn't, but +</I>><i> LibreOffice has the opportunity to be. Debian, I don't know the community +</I>><i> well enough to comment. +</I> +There was a point were the Debian infrastructure was almost forked some +years ago, according to a story I heard in Zurich ( but I do not have +public source ). And there was also the old rumors of a Debian fork in +2003 ( <A HREF="http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/08/msg00389.html">http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/08/msg00389.html</A> ), +which may have lead or be fueled by the creation of Ubuntu at that time. + + +><i> The point is that community goes right across the spectrum of users +</I>><i> Not enough of the community at the User end of the spectrum is as untenable as +</I>><i> not enough at the Makers end. The trick is balance, that's what the Fedora +</I>><i> project has taught us +</I> +Then the balance decided by Fedora is not really in favor of people in +the User end, if we look at this interview : +<A HREF="http://howsoftwareisbuilt.com/2008/12/21/interview-with-jeroen-van-meeuwen-fedora-project-vice-president-fedora-emea/">http://howsoftwareisbuilt.com/2008/12/21/interview-with-jeroen-van-meeuwen-fedora-project-vice-president-fedora-emea/</A> + +"Jeroen: One of the big, essential differences between Fedora and other +distributions is that we’d rather gain one contributor than a dozen +users. In fact, if I could lose 1000 users right now and gain a +contributor, I’d do it. It’s not up to me, but if it were, I’d do it." + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002490.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002496.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2495">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2495">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2495">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2495">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002496.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002496.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7c957aa64 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002496.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3De_7xYZQ9E7SoxTcoGXXxxyZhv%2B%2BNVWw0DOniq%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002495.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002498.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3De_7xYZQ9E7SoxTcoGXXxxyZhv%2B%2BNVWw0DOniq%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 14:24:51 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002495.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002498.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2496">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2496">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2496">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2496">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/20 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> "Jeroen: One of the big, essential differences between Fedora and other +</I>><i> distributions is that we’d rather gain one contributor than a dozen +</I>><i> users. In fact, if I could lose 1000 users right now and gain a +</I>><i> contributor, I’d do it. It’s not up to me, but if it were, I’d do it." +</I> +This seems to me a very short-sighted point of view. It may be right +if you start a project and you do not have enough contributors to get +it going at all. But for something where the basic number of +contributors is already available it's time to turn users into +committed users. Besides, the PR footwork done by a large user base is +cost-free and a powerful instrument. PR is as essential as +development. You can have the best product in the world but no success +if you have no PR (that was one of Mandriva's faults). + +How are contributors become attracted to a new project? Besides other +means (fellow contributors, friends, etc.) they become attracted as +users. They look at the product from a user's point of view, they like +it and decide that this is something they want to spend some time, +sweat and tears on (remembering the fact that contributors primarily +work to scratch their own itches with the project they like (IIRC it +was you who wrote that)). So, if you can find a contributor, fine. But +finding 1000 users bears the chance that there may be more than one +contributor or user-turns-contributor among them. + +Yes, I agree, "the trick is balance". + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002495.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002498.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2496">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2496">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2496">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2496">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002497.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002497.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0bb285b01 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002497.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D3uvFDOQcW%3D4fZ71A%2B0uzfjdNLD-YiQa0ARmpo%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002494.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002500.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, </H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D3uvFDOQcW%3D4fZ71A%2B0uzfjdNLD-YiQa0ARmpo%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, ">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 14:37:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002494.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002500.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2497">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2497">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2497">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2497">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/20 MacXi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> Em Sáb 02 Out 2010, às 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Could you please send a HTML version of this file ? +</I>>><i> Thanks for advance +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Anne, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm sending attached the text of the "VALUES" (VALORES) in Portuguese and +</I>><i> html. +</I> +Here is it: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/pt-br/about/values/">http://mageia.org/pt-br/about/values/</A> + +Thanks! + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002494.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002500.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2497">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2497">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2497">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2497">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002498.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002498.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ade615727 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002498.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010201446.22402.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002496.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002524.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010201446.22402.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 14:46:22 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002496.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2498">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2498">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2498">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2498">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 14:24:51, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> 2010/10/20 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > "Jeroen: One of the big, essential differences between Fedora and other +</I>><i> > distributions is that we’d rather gain one contributor than a dozen +</I>><i> > users. In fact, if I could lose 1000 users right now and gain a +</I>><i> > contributor, I’d do it. It’s not up to me, but if it were, I’d do it." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This seems to me a very short-sighted point of view. It may be right +</I>><i> if you start a project and you do not have enough contributors to get +</I>><i> it going at all. But for something where the basic number of +</I>><i> contributors is already available it's time to turn users into +</I>><i> committed users. Besides, the PR footwork done by a large user base is +</I>><i> cost-free and a powerful instrument. PR is as essential as +</I>><i> development. You can have the best product in the world but no success +</I>><i> if you have no PR (that was one of Mandriva's faults). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How are contributors become attracted to a new project? Besides other +</I>><i> means (fellow contributors, friends, etc.) they become attracted as +</I>><i> users. They look at the product from a user's point of view, they like +</I>><i> it and decide that this is something they want to spend some time, +</I>><i> sweat and tears on (remembering the fact that contributors primarily +</I>><i> work to scratch their own itches with the project they like (IIRC it +</I>><i> was you who wrote that)). So, if you can find a contributor, fine. But +</I>><i> finding 1000 users bears the chance that there may be more than one +</I>><i> contributor or user-turns-contributor among them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, I agree, "the trick is balance". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>+1 for wobo on this one :) + +Samuel + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002496.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2498">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2498">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2498">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2498">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002499.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002499.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..80f4917a4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002499.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010201436480.17350-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002524.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002501.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010201436480.17350-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 14:46:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002501.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2499">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2499">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2499">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2499">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: + +><i> 2010/10/20 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > "Jeroen: One of the big, essential differences between Fedora and other +</I>><i> > distributions is that we’d rather gain one contributor than a dozen +</I>><i> > users. In fact, if I could lose 1000 users right now and gain a +</I>><i> > contributor, I’d do it. It’s not up to me, but if it were, I’d do it." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This seems to me a very short-sighted point of view. It may be right +</I>><i> if you start a project and you do not have enough contributors to get +</I>><i> it going at all. +</I> +The reason why Fedora isn't much interested in mere users is because +Fedora is not a real community distro at all. + +Fedora is first and foremost a testbest of new technologies for Redhat, +to experiment with new code that might then later be incorporated into +RHEL. + +Redhat doesn't care much about the end-users of Fedora, they only care +about attracting skilled developers, since those represent extra unpaid +labour for them, that ultimately benefits their commercial RHEL distro. + +Despite that (and despite what most people think), most of the work on +Fedora is still done by Redhat employees. +Without Redhat Fedora would cease to exist (at least in it's current +form). + +I know this might sound harsh to some who didn't know this, but that's +the reality of it. + +If Mageia takes off (and I'm sure it will) it will actually become the +ONLY other large community distro besides Debian and we might even +attract quite a few Fedora devs that want to switch to a REAL rpm based +community distro. + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002501.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2499">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2499">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2499">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2499">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002500.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002500.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a8804c894 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002500.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinti7Y15kfuos6OLhzhTJ4L4%2B7HEG4a%3DBD7nJ70%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002497.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002502.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct</H1> + <B>Frederic Janssens</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinti7Y15kfuos6OLhzhTJ4L4%2B7HEG4a%3DBD7nJ70%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct">fjanss at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 14:52:05 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002497.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002502.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2500">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2500">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2500">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2500">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Some remarks about the Mageia Code of Conduct proposal + +<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct</A> + +I think the part + +"Our community is made up of a number of individuals and organizations which +can roughly be divided into two groups: + + - Contributors, or those who add value to the project through improving + distribution and any project from Mageia + - Users, or those who add value to the project through their support as + users of Mageia" + +should be reformulated. + +There have been several proposals in the ML in favor of making it easyer for +users to participate more actively in the Mageia Project. The aim is to +lower the threshold for active participation : help in the ML's or Forums, +help to report bugs, ... + +So I think that should be reflected in this document by avoiding to suggest +that one must be in the one or the other category. 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But to read this spelled out in +public by a VP of the Fedora project is something else. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002499.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002503.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2501">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2501">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2501">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2501">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002502.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002502.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b216a637f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002502.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D-A0qynm8FeW6szYzbjEgD_76qkxJMRET-Uz29%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002500.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002509.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D-A0qynm8FeW6szYzbjEgD_76qkxJMRET-Uz29%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 15:06:34 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002500.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002509.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2502">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2502">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2502">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2502">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/20 Frederic Janssens <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fjanss at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> So I think that should be reflected in this document by avoiding to suggest +</I>><i> that one must be in the one or the other category. We should emphasise that +</I>><i> there is a continuum of involvement, not a jump into another status. +</I> +IMHO it is reflecting the 2 groups very well. The second part does not +say that users are not involved, quite the contrary. It says that +users can add value to the project through their support. This is +exactyl what I've been doing for mandriva and will do for Mageia. I do +not see me as a contributor who improves the distribution because I've +never added one line of code to any part of the distribution and most +likely I will not do it for Mageia because I do not have the necessary +knowledge/skills. I am a user who adds value to the project by +supporting other users with answers, documentation, translation, +communication, etc. + +Reading the 2 descriptions carefully reveals that both groups are +defined very well. It's nowhere written that somebody can not be a +member of both groups (if I could code or package I'd see me in both +groups). + +But this is only my 2K Euros worth. As this text is open for review, +you're very welcome to propose a better text which describes your +understanding of this "our community is made up....". + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002500.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002509.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2502">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2502">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2502">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2502">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002503.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002503.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b72b85c21 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002503.html @@ -0,0 +1,139 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C1287581075.3051.74.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002501.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002504.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C1287581075.3051.74.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 15:24:35 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002501.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002504.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2503">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2503">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2503">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2503">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 à 14:24 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/20 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > "Jeroen: One of the big, essential differences between Fedora and other +</I>><i> > distributions is that we’d rather gain one contributor than a dozen +</I>><i> > users. In fact, if I could lose 1000 users right now and gain a +</I>><i> > contributor, I’d do it. It’s not up to me, but if it were, I’d do it." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This seems to me a very short-sighted point of view. It may be right +</I>><i> if you start a project and you do not have enough contributors to get +</I>><i> it going at all. But for something where the basic number of +</I>><i> contributors is already available it's time to turn users into +</I>><i> committed users. +</I> +Which basically mean "gaining contributor". He do not say where the +contributors come from, and there is no indication they should come from +the userbase. So, maybe you agree with him. ( maybe not on the scale, +which is a little bit extreme ). + +><i> Besides, the PR footwork done by a large user base is +</I>><i> cost-free and a powerful instrument. PR is as essential as +</I>><i> development. You can have the best product in the world but no success +</I>><i> if you have no PR (that was one of Mandriva's faults). +</I> + +Fedora has a system of ambassador, who exactly do this, PR. So they +recognize this as a form of contribution. + +Then if some users do PR work, they are contributors, not users ( in the +sense I understand it which would be "someone who do not contribute" ). + +When he speak of users, I think he speak of someone who download the +iso, install and do noting more. No proselytism, no bug report, nothing. + +Basically, having this person as user or not do not change much the +project. Now, if the person start to contribute by helping on forum, it +bring value to the project, and can be counted as someone who +contribute. + +><i> How are contributors become attracted to a new project? Besides other +</I>><i> means (fellow contributors, friends, etc.) they become attracted as +</I>><i> users. They look at the product from a user's point of view, they like +</I>><i> it and decide that this is something they want to spend some time, +</I>><i> sweat and tears on (remembering the fact that contributors primarily +</I>><i> work to scratch their own itches with the project they like (IIRC it +</I>><i> was you who wrote that)). So, if you can find a contributor, fine. But +</I>><i> finding 1000 users bears the chance that there may be more than one +</I>><i> contributor or user-turns-contributor among them. +</I> +Well, his point, imho, is that if you have to decide between helping +someone to contribute or helping someone to use ( in the sense we +defined previously ), you should help people to contribute. + +His view is just a uncomfortable truth : + +- ressources ( ie contributors of all kind ) are scarce +- ressources diminish with time ( ie, people leave for various reason ) +- so we should aim to increase the ressources to survive and to counter +the erosion +- so we should allocate more priority into getting contributors than +simple non contributing users, because some of them will come whatever +we do. +- in turn, having more contributors lead to more contribution, which +lead to a better project, and more satisfied users, who are likely to +grow into contributors who simply attract people because they contribute +with positive PR. + +Ie, attracting contributors are likely to be a much better way to invest +time than attracting non contributing users, as it has a better ROI ( if +I may use such dehumanizing term ). + +Of course, there is no clear separation between the 2 ( even if when I +say "we should treat everybody as potential contributor" ( which is a +negation of the divide ), there is always someone who remind that +"there is some people that do not want to be treated as such" ) ). + +And the fact that everybody will tell "but users also bring +contributors" is the sign that we agree that contributors are a asset. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002501.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002504.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2503">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2503">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2503">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2503">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002504.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002504.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2337d5e72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002504.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikhyxGeX9HGgsd602_zN3uF-omzoVknh3mNYF11%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002503.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002523.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikhyxGeX9HGgsd602_zN3uF-omzoVknh3mNYF11%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 15:31:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002503.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002523.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2504">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2504">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2504">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2504">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/20 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Of course, there is no clear separation between the 2 ( even if when I +</I>><i> say "we should treat everybody as potential contributor" ( which is a +</I>><i> negation of the divide ), there is always someone who remind  that +</I>><i> "there is some people that do not want to be treated as such" ) ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And the fact that everybody will tell "but users also bring +</I>><i> contributors" is the sign that we agree that contributors are a asset. +</I> +Yes, agreed. We may just have a different semantic view on the +expressions, but I think we are meaning almost the same. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002503.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002523.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2504">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2504">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2504">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2504">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002505.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002505.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8f80bf024 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002505.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D-e4LgOzqqbY%3D8oVQwrsrK8%3DZnv5%2BwwMseosxK%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002530.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002506.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Kristoffer Grundström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D-e4LgOzqqbY%3D8oVQwrsrK8%3DZnv5%2BwwMseosxK%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 15:41:05 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002530.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002506.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2505">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2505">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2505">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2505">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>For newbies I think it's a great idea to make the installer easy to understand. + +Therefor I'd like to suggest that the installer would function like a +questionaire-form. + +For instance: + +Do you intend to install Mageia on a: + +1. Desktop. +2. Laptop. +3. Mobile + +What arch does your CPU have? + +1. i586. +2. x86_64 + +And so on..........................to tailor-make the installation +after what he/she wants it to be like. +I know it would take some time to finish it, but the result will be in +their favour. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +When it comes to the development of the unstable version, why not do +nightly build-isos? + +That would help users to install Mageia by NOT using the netboot-iso +or by upgrading from the stable which isn't recommended today & to see +where there are any issues. Sometimes the netboot-iso won't install +'cause the mirror isn't answering properly. + +/Kristoffer +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002530.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002506.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2505">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2505">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2505">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2505">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002506.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002506.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f1f46bd31 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002506.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010201543340.17350-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002505.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002513.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010201543340.17350-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 15:45:02 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002505.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2506">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2506">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2506">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2506">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Kristoffer Grundström wrote: + +><i> For newbies I think it's a great idea to make the installer easy to understand. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Therefor I'd like to suggest that the installer would function like a +</I>><i> questionaire-form. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For instance: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Do you intend to install Mageia on a: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. Desktop. +</I>><i> 2. Laptop. +</I>><i> 3. Mobile +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What arch does your CPU have? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. i586. +</I>><i> 2. x86_64 +</I>><i> +</I> +Huh? A newbie has no idea what 'CPU' means and even less what i586 or +x86_64 are.... + +Heck, even I don't know what you mean by Mobile in the first question... + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002505.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2506">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2506">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2506">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2506">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002507.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002507.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8621fbfda --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002507.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DFDJ42v%3DL%3Dgh_Ds35SOT-5qxijr1_hae5T_6VK%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002514.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002511.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Kristoffer Grundström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DFDJ42v%3DL%3Dgh_Ds35SOT-5qxijr1_hae5T_6VK%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 15:49:11 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2507">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2507">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2507">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2507">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>And you think they'll know that with the current Mandriva-installer if +that's what transferred into Mageia? + +You know you CAN use mobile-phones to install Linux on as well? + +Ever heard of Moblin? + +2010/10/20, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>>: +><i> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Kristoffer Grundström wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> For newbies I think it's a great idea to make the installer easy to +</I>>><i> understand. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Therefor I'd like to suggest that the installer would function like a +</I>>><i> questionaire-form. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> For instance: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Do you intend to install Mageia on a: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 1. Desktop. +</I>>><i> 2. Laptop. +</I>>><i> 3. Mobile +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> What arch does your CPU have? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 1. i586. +</I>>><i> 2. x86_64 +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Huh? A newbie has no idea what 'CPU' means and even less what i586 or +</I>><i> x86_64 are.... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Heck, even I don't know what you mean by Mobile in the first question... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I></PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2507">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2507">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2507">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2507">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002508.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002508.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..285cc4d45 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002508.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3C4CBEF23B.2030208%40WayneSallee.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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We should emphasise that +</I>><i> > there is a continuum of involvement, not a jump into another status. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> IMHO it is reflecting the 2 groups very well. The second part does not +</I>><i> say that users are not involved, quite the contrary. It says that +</I>><i> users can add value to the project through their support. This is +</I>><i> exactyl what I've been doing for mandriva and will do for Mageia. I do +</I>><i> not see me as a contributor who improves the distribution because I've +</I>><i> never added one line of code to any part of the distribution and most +</I>><i> likely I will not do it for Mageia because I do not have the necessary +</I>><i> knowledge/skills. I am a user who adds value to the project by +</I>><i> supporting other users with answers, documentation, translation, +</I>><i> communication, etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Reading the 2 descriptions carefully reveals that both groups are +</I>><i> defined very well. It's nowhere written that somebody can not be a +</I>><i> member of both groups (if I could code or package I'd see me in both +</I>><i> groups). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But this is only my 2K Euros worth. As this text is open for review, +</I>><i> you're very welcome to propose a better text which describes your +</I>><i> understanding of this "our community is made up....". +</I>><i> +</I> +The word "divided" probably could be changed to something better. + +Regards + +Samuel + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002502.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002510.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2509">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2509">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2509">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2509">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002510.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002510.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8418ff351 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002510.html @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3C1287583151.3051.89.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002509.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002519.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3C1287583151.3051.89.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 15:59:11 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002509.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002519.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2510">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2510">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2510">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2510">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 à 15:06 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/20 Frederic Janssens <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fjanss at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So I think that should be reflected in this document by avoiding to suggest +</I>><i> > that one must be in the one or the other category. We should emphasise that +</I>><i> > there is a continuum of involvement, not a jump into another status. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> IMHO it is reflecting the 2 groups very well. The second part does not +</I>><i> say that users are not involved, quite the contrary. It says that +</I>><i> users can add value to the project through their support. This is +</I>><i> exactyl what I've been doing for mandriva and will do for Mageia. I do +</I>><i> not see me as a contributor who improves the distribution because I've +</I>><i> never added one line of code to any part of the distribution and most +</I>><i> likely I will not do it for Mageia because I do not have the necessary +</I>><i> knowledge/skills. I am a user who adds value to the project by +</I>><i> supporting other users with answers, documentation, translation, +</I>><i> communication, etc. +</I> +Well, this is a form of contribution, yes. +So you are a contributor, because you contribute. + +In the past and historically, the group of people who participated in +cooker externally to mandrakesoft/mandriva were called "contributers", +derived likely from the fact we were sending packages in contribs. + +Then, the bug triaging was opened to people, the translation too ( in +fact, it was before ), but the name contributers became synonym with +packagers ( and also coder ). And cooker users became the name of people +who were working with test, discussions, etc, on cooker. + +Mail alias, and ssh/svn access were given to packagers, translators ( ie +"contributors" ), and the other type of contribution, while not +forbidden, didn't really grew ( ie few people contributed artwork, or +communication, etc ). + +Part of the problem was due to the fact that only visible contribution +were seen as technical, and because Mandriva didn't really opened +contributions in some area ( even if, imho, there was no need to wait on +mdv for this ). + +So now, we want to recognize all kind of contribution, which seems to me +a fair goal, as contribution to a project is not only technical. + +People who contribute, whatever they contribute ( except contributing to +my anger ), are contributors. So you are a contributor. + +If we use word in the way most people will expect them, things will be +much clearer to everybody. And the way the word "contributor" was +twisted in Mandriva is something we should avoid, cause it lead people +to think the only possible way to help were technical. + +><i> Reading the 2 descriptions carefully reveals that both groups are +</I>><i> defined very well. It's nowhere written that somebody can not be a +</I>><i> member of both groups (if I could code or package I'd see me in both +</I>><i> groups). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But this is only my 2K Euros worth. +</I> +Wow, inflation is quite bad in Germany :) + + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002509.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002519.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2510">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2510">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2510">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2510">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002511.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002511.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..effa71dfe --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002511.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010201558150.17350-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002507.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002512.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010201558150.17350-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 16:02:02 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002507.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2511">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2511">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2511">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2511">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Kristoffer Grundström wrote: + +><i> And you think they'll know that with the current Mandriva-installer if +</I>><i> that's what transferred into Mageia? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You know you CAN use mobile-phones to install Linux on as well? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ever heard of Moblin? +</I> +Please don't top-post. + +I'm aware that there are specialized Linux distros for mobile phones but +it wasn't obvious to me that you meant phones by the saying "mobile" +since "mobile" is not a universally recognized word for mobile-phones. + +That said, AFAIK there is no general purpose distro that can also be +installed on a mobile-phone. + +Furthermore for a newbie, LESS questions is better so good working +auto dedection (always with the possibility of maunal override for +advance users) is key, not dumbed down questions. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002507.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2511">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2511">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2511">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2511">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002512.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002512.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1bf8cde0d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002512.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DdCV3_1d-HQnME8M0pSgXL-Sj%2BT2LJbHf5t5jH%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002511.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002526.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Kristoffer Grundström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DdCV3_1d-HQnME8M0pSgXL-Sj%2BT2LJbHf5t5jH%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 16:05:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2512">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2512">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2512">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2512">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Right, but perhaps a video during the installation teaching them what they +should know for future installations would help. + +2010/10/20 Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> + +><i> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Kristoffer Grundström wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > And you think they'll know that with the current Mandriva-installer if +</I>><i> > that's what transferred into Mageia? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > You know you CAN use mobile-phones to install Linux on as well? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Ever heard of Moblin? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please don't top-post. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm aware that there are specialized Linux distros for mobile phones but +</I>><i> it wasn't obvious to me that you meant phones by the saying "mobile" +</I>><i> since "mobile" is not a universally recognized word for mobile-phones. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That said, AFAIK there is no general purpose distro that can also be +</I>><i> installed on a mobile-phone. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Furthermore for a newbie, LESS questions is better so good working +</I>><i> auto dedection (always with the possibility of maunal override for +</I>><i> advance users) is key, not dumbed down questions. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101020/c8b192c7/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2512">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2512">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2512">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2512">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002513.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002513.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c03f45c10 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002513.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CA31E65CCB1B23F49A8B97A3A0947018D02976ACA%40EXCHANGE2003.ccq.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002506.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002514.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Dubeau, Patrick</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CA31E65CCB1B23F49A8B97A3A0947018D02976ACA%40EXCHANGE2003.ccq.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">Patrick.Dubeau at ccq.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 15:47:18 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002506.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2513">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2513">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2513">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2513">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de Tux99 +</I>><i> Envoyé : 20 octobre 2010 09:45 +</I>><i> À : Mageia general discussions +</I>><i> Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Kristoffer Grundström wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > For newbies I think it's a great idea to make the installer easy to +</I>><i> understand. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Therefor I'd like to suggest that the installer would function like a +</I>><i> > questionaire-form. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > For instance: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Do you intend to install Mageia on a: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > 1. Desktop. +</I>><i> > 2. Laptop. +</I>><i> > 3. Mobile +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > What arch does your CPU have? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > 1. i586. +</I>><i> > 2. x86_64 +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Huh? A newbie has no idea what 'CPU' means and even less what i586 or +</I>><i> x86_64 are.... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Heck, even I don't know what you mean by Mobile in the first +</I>><i> question... +</I> +Hi, + +Newbie in linux doesn't mean that the person doesn't know some basics of +computers. Do not pretend that all newbies have never used a computer with +another system. + + +Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO +<A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</A> + + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002506.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2513">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2513">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2513">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2513">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002514.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002514.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..218f93461 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002514.html @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikMzb1XuOzrYFC5fRA7WcpB4L0MNiPZ8rqsGquj%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002513.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002507.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Kristoffer Grundström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikMzb1XuOzrYFC5fRA7WcpB4L0MNiPZ8rqsGquj%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 16:09:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002507.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2514">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2514">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2514">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2514">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Right, but for thoose who doesn't need or want to read tons & tons of +unimportant info. + +2010/10/20 Dubeau, Patrick <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Patrick.Dubeau at ccq.org</A>> + +><i> > <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de Tux99 +</I>><i> > Envoyé : 20 octobre 2010 09:45 +</I>><i> > À : Mageia general discussions +</I>><i> > Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Kristoffer Grundström wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > > For newbies I think it's a great idea to make the installer easy to +</I>><i> > understand. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Therefor I'd like to suggest that the installer would function like a +</I>><i> > > questionaire-form. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > For instance: +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Do you intend to install Mageia on a: +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > 1. Desktop. +</I>><i> > > 2. Laptop. +</I>><i> > > 3. Mobile +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > What arch does your CPU have? +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > 1. i586. +</I>><i> > > 2. x86_64 +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Huh? A newbie has no idea what 'CPU' means and even less what i586 or +</I>><i> > x86_64 are.... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Heck, even I don't know what you mean by Mobile in the first +</I>><i> > question... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Hi, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Newbie in linux doesn't mean that the person doesn't know some basics of +</I>><i> computers. Do not pretend that all newbies have never used a computer with +</I>><i> another system. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101020/424de9a5/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002507.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2514">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2514">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2514">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2514">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002515.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002515.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5bdb81cf3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002515.html @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C459878.22484.qm%40web29619.mail.ird.yahoo.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002526.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002516.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C459878.22484.qm%40web29619.mail.ird.yahoo.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 16:18:10 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2515">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2515">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2515">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2515">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I think that specific versions must be created. + +1. one for the Desktop computers (think of installing on Intel iMac or Dell +all-in-one with multi-touch display) +2. one for Laptops and Netbooks (yeah, optimized for this ones) +3. one for mobile devices (phones, smart phones, tablets) +4. do not forget the server side +5. PS: and some gaming too :) + +I don't think that asking the user what kind of CPU is "newbie". Instead the +installer must be able to detect itself if it's on a 32 or 64 bit platform. Once +again, I'm not shure that if a 64 bit CPU is detected the end user may be wants +to install a 32 bit one for compatibility reasons. + +We may propose the 32 bit by default, and if a 64 bit CPU is detected to inform +the user that a 64 bit version, that takes better advantage of his hardware, is +also available on download for his machine. + +Just my 2cents tips :) + +Best regards, +Florin Catalin RUSSEN +Romanian Translation Team + + + + +----- Original Message ---- +From: Kristoffer Grundström <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com</A>> +To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> +Sent: Wed, 20 October, 2010 15:41:05 +Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + +For newbies I think it's a great idea to make the installer easy to understand. + +Therefor I'd like to suggest that the installer would function like a +questionaire-form. + +For instance: + +Do you intend to install Mageia on a: + +1. Desktop. +2. Laptop. +3. Mobile + +What arch does your CPU have? + +1. i586. +2. x86_64 + +And so on..........................to tailor-make the installation +after what he/she wants it to be like. +I know it would take some time to finish it, but the result will be in +their favour. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + +When it comes to the development of the unstable version, why not do +nightly build-isos? + +That would help users to install Mageia by NOT using the netboot-iso +or by upgrading from the stable which isn't recommended today & to see +where there are any issues. Sometimes the netboot-iso won't install +'cause the mirror isn't answering properly. + +/Kristoffer + + + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2515">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2515">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2515">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2515">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002516.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002516.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dda3ee684 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002516.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vkvo1tsyct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002515.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002517.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Kira</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vkvo1tsyct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 16:26:08 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002515.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002517.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2516">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2516">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2516">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2516">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>在 Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:18:10 +0800, Catalin Florin RUSSEN +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>>寫道: + +><i> I think that specific versions must be created. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. one for the Desktop computers (think of installing on Intel iMac or +</I>><i> Dell +</I>><i> all-in-one with multi-touch display) +</I>><i> 2. one for Laptops and Netbooks (yeah, optimized for this ones) +</I>><i> 3. one for mobile devices (phones, smart phones, tablets) +</I>><i> 4. do not forget the server side +</I>><i> 5. PS: and some gaming too :) +</I>><i> +</I>I think at some point, the splitting of ONE version is great, but + +going too far would cause too much manpower on tweaking... + +Maybe a better way is to have the normal installer in DVD version + +have much more task-oriented selection, not just Desktop selection. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002515.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002517.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2516">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2516">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2516">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2516">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002517.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002517.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b087e4025 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002517.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CBEFE18.1070203%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002516.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002518.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CBEFE18.1070203%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 16:35:04 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2517">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2517">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2517">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2517">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Kristoffer Grundström wrote: +><i> For newbies I think it's a great idea to make the installer easy to understand. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Therefor I'd like to suggest that the installer would function like a +</I>><i> questionaire-form. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For instance: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Do you intend to install Mageia on a: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. Desktop. +</I>><i> 2. Laptop. +</I>><i> 3. Mobile +</I>><i> +</I> +This is already auto-detectable by the MDV installer. + +><i> What arch does your CPU have? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. i586. +</I>><i> 2. x86_64 +</I>><i> +</I> +This too. Of course, the MDV installer currently decides which you get +by which boot.iso or isolinux you use, but that dates back to x86_64 not +working on all x86_64 chips, in order to allow those systems to install +i586. Not sure if this is still needed or desirable. + +><i> When it comes to the development of the unstable version, why not do +</I>><i> nightly build-isos? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That would help users to install Mageia by NOT using the netboot-iso +</I>><i> or by upgrading from the stable which isn't recommended today & to see +</I>><i> where there are any issues. Sometimes the netboot-iso won't install +</I>><i> 'cause the mirror isn't answering properly. +</I>><i> +</I> +I'm afraid that the reality is that you need a stable network connection +to a mirror and decent bandwidth to be able to follow cooker effectively. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2517">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2517">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2517">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2517">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002518.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002518.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e1df30d7b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002518.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimfdt9GNPMFG%3DtJ6Z0fDMAOV%2BCiJbLQVA3NnCCC%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002517.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002520.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimfdt9GNPMFG%3DtJ6Z0fDMAOV%2BCiJbLQVA3NnCCC%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 17:22:25 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002517.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2518">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2518">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2518">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2518">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>1. At Mandriva we already had different ISOs for 32- and 64-bit, which +we should do as well. So this question about the arch during +installation is obsolete. + +2. A difference between desktop/laptop/mobile should be on "task" +level like the meta-task scripts we had at Mandriva. I don't think +there should be a real special distribution for any purpose. There are + special Mandriva editions für netbooks (meego), for machines with +poor ressources (LXDE Edition), etc. Such special editions used to be +created by groups inside the community, we can do it likewise. + +So, my vote goes to the "one Mageia edition" solution with room for +any other special enhancements to be created by community groups like +the XFCE group, the LXDE group (MUD), the Meego group, etc. At least +for the start. If we have the ressources and if there is a demand for +such special editions we can see to that later after the main +distribution is rolling. + +BTW: "Mobile Linux" for mobile phones is Android and I don't think +anyone could beat that on the market. We should not bother with that. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002517.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2518">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2518">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2518">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2518">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002519.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002519.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9ef36bb61 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002519.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikaMFyqZeJLYerSR5Wb9KYjzRr22fcZJkCb4wwr%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002510.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002508.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikaMFyqZeJLYerSR5Wb9KYjzRr22fcZJkCb4wwr%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 17:33:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002510.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002508.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2519">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2519">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2519">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2519">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/20 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Well, this is a form of contribution, yes. +</I>><i> So you are a contributor, because you contribute. +</I> +Ah yes, we've been there before :) + +><i> So now, we want to recognize all kind of contribution, which seems to me +</I>><i> a fair goal, as contribution to a project is not only technical. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> People who contribute, whatever they contribute ( except contributing to +</I>><i> my anger ), are contributors. So you are a contributor. +</I> +In the light of this we should erase the whole chapter about "2 +groups" which would be ok for me. + + +>><i> But this is only my 2K Euros worth. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Wow, inflation is quite bad in Germany :) +</I> +No, only a bad case of inflated ego on a low budget! :) + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002510.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002508.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2519">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2519">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2519">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2519">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002520.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002520.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4392d30cb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002520.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C284738.15505.qm%40web29613.mail.ird.yahoo.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002518.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002521.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C284738.15505.qm%40web29613.mail.ird.yahoo.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 17:59:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002521.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2520">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2520">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2520">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2520">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Yeah, why not. One swiss knife distro: 1 DVD that allows you to install via the +meta-tasks the config you like (Desktop, Laptop, Netbook, Gaming, Server...). +Great, I like this ideea. + +Best regards, +Florin + + + +----- Original Message ---- +From: Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>; Mageia general discussions <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>> +Sent: Wed, 20 October, 2010 17:22:25 +Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + +1. At Mandriva we already had different ISOs for 32- and 64-bit, which +we should do as well. So this question about the arch during +installation is obsolete. + +2. A difference between desktop/laptop/mobile should be on "task" +level like the meta-task scripts we had at Mandriva. I don't think +there should be a real special distribution for any purpose. There are +special Mandriva editions für netbooks (meego), for machines with +poor ressources (LXDE Edition), etc. Such special editions used to be +created by groups inside the community, we can do it likewise. + +So, my vote goes to the "one Mageia edition" solution with room for +any other special enhancements to be created by community groups like +the XFCE group, the LXDE group (MUD), the Meego group, etc. At least +for the start. If we have the ressources and if there is a demand for +such special editions we can see to that later after the main +distribution is rolling. + +BTW: "Mobile Linux" for mobile phones is Android and I don't think +anyone could beat that on the market. We should not bother with that. + + + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002521.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2520">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2520">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2520">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2520">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002521.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002521.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..df9f4da7a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002521.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinhJfTuc9UDwSeLmnBA01bGMys97LW9jHdFx6e9%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002520.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002529.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinhJfTuc9UDwSeLmnBA01bGMys97LW9jHdFx6e9%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 18:15:19 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2521">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2521">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2521">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2521">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/20 Catalin Florin RUSSEN <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>>: +><i> Yeah, why not. One swiss knife distro: 1 DVD that allows you to install via the +</I>><i> meta-tasks the config you like (Desktop, Laptop, Netbook, Gaming, Server...). +</I>><i> Great, I like this ideea. +</I>><i> +</I> +That's exactly what I did not propose, just to make that clear. + +BTW: Florin pls stop top posting, I think this has been said often +enough by now. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2521">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2521">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2521">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2521">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002522.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002522.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..98489c646 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002522.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3C201010202149.48230.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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If enough people agree with your objective, you +</I>>>>>><i> may find that you have enough critical mass to produce a derived distro +</I>>>>>><i> with a face and personality which matches your objectives. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> This is one of the interesting elements of FOSS marketing that I've +</I>>>>><i> talked about in the past. That Marketing department, which in a +</I>>>>><i> corporate world always has the ear of management more so than the +</I>>>>><i> Development people simply because of human interaction capabilities, has +</I>>>>><i> to turn it's focus inward. The problem is, an one I've been trying to +</I>>>>><i> avoid here, is that it becomes insular to the exclusion of all else and +</I>>>>><i> then the community stagnates and spirals into irrelevancy. For the +</I>>>>><i> community to grow there has to be a dynamism, (and I'm talking grow in +</I>>>>><i> terms of the community of contributors) Userland is the big billboard +</I>>>>><i> of that dynamism. Ubuntu for all it's faults and annoyances has taught +</I>>>>><i> us one thing, high visibility in Userland attracts contributors. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Then what Fedora and Debian has taught us ? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Because AFAIK there is also lots of contributors in Fedora, as there is +</I>>>><i> in Debian, and I think they didn't really choose the high visibility +</I>>>><i> path to get them. So I do not think we can really find a direct +</I>>>><i> correlation between "ubuntu has lots of users" and "there is lots of +</I>>>><i> contribution". +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Debian is an interesting case in viral marketing in a highly interconnected +</I>>><i> demographic. I always remember the "OMG we have a new release!" that used to +</I>>><i> race round the maillists and Usergroups. It never really had a market share, +</I>>><i> rather it had almost a monopoly in its chosen demographic. It is deliberately +</I>>><i> eclectic and famously stubborn and being part of the community is as important +</I>>><i> as the software itself, I mean he named it after his wife and himself, Deb and +</I>>><i> Ian, how cool is that. It was just that attitude that endeared it to it's +</I>>><i> chosen community and good on them. Slackware and Gentoo have a similar ethic. +</I>>><i> And more power to them. It wasn't until Ubuntu came along that Debian gained +</I>>><i> much in the way of widespread traction. However it was it's obsession with +</I>>><i> stability that attracted the Mark. They could afford to break things because +</I>>><i> they had this super stable backstop, but at the end of the day, Debian counts +</I>>><i> the Ubuntu user as it's community, I would be interested to know how many more +</I>>><i> developers Debian picked up in the wake of Ubuntu's popularity, I certainly +</I>>><i> know quite a few. Certainly HPs support was post Ubuntu startup +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Fedora has the benefit of age, being around a long time and focusing in the +</I>>><i> corporate space is a good way to lift profile in your preferred market. I +</I>>><i> don't have any figures unfortunately but I would suspect many came from Red +</I>>><i> Hat sites. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> In any case, both are in fact very small in terms of the whole desktop market +</I>>><i> and even in terms of all developers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Small in term of direct users, but they are the one with the more +</I>><i> contributers, and therefor, the one that are likely to survive in the +</I>><i> long term. And while it is not a stated goal of Mageia, I hope it is +</I>><i> obvious to everybody that we ( aka the founders ) forked the project +</I>><i> because we wanted it to survive in case of problem on Mandriva side. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If we look at the number of contributers in the overall free software +</I>><i> distribution community. I think that Debian and Fedora are one of the +</I>><i> biggest one. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The fedora account system tell me there is 21000 members in the group of +</I>><i> people who signed the contributer level agreement ( CLA ), around 1100 +</I>><i> in the packager group, around 100 in the marketing group. I suspect that +</I>><i> opening a account is required to edit the wiki or something like that, +</I>><i> hence the high number of accounts. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A quick search on debian ldap directory ( ldapsearch -x -H +</I>><i> <A HREF="ldap://db.debian.org">ldap://db.debian.org</A> -b ou=users,dc=debian,dc=org +</I>><i> '(objectClass=debianAccount)' ) tell me there is around 1650 accounts, +</I>><i> which roughly translate to the same number of packagers for the time +</I>><i> being. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ubuntu "only" have 650 people in the ubuntu-member group +</I>><i> ( <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers">https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers</A> ), which is a superset of the +</I>><i> various groups. There is 160 people who can upload to Universe ( ie, +</I>><i> their version of what mandriva called "contribs" ) +</I>><i> ( <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/~universe-contributors">https://launchpad.net/~universe-contributors</A> ), and there was 970 who +</I>><i> subscribed to have their packages reviewed +</I>><i> ( <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/~revu-uploaders">https://launchpad.net/~revu-uploaders</A> ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When you compare to the 3000 people who committed to gnome since the +</I>><i> beggining ( source, gnome census of Dave Neary ), the 500 currently +</I>><i> active contributers of kde +</I>><i> ( <A HREF="http://www.kdenews.org/2009/07/14/growth-metrics-kde-contributors">http://www.kdenews.org/2009/07/14/growth-metrics-kde-contributors</A> ) or +</I>><i> the 700 who contributed to 2.6.20 ( <A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/222773/">http://lwn.net/Articles/222773/</A> ), +</I>><i> you see the number are not much different. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So while they may be small in term of market of users, they are the one +</I>><i> who successfully attracted some of the biggest community of +</I>><i> contributers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And attracting contributors is the key of the sustainability we should +</I>><i> aim. +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> My own opinion is that Canonical pay 5 people full time to take care of +</I>>>><i> the community growth +</I>>>><i> ( <A HREF="http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/">http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/</A> ), and that's +</I>>>><i> the main reason for contribution from outsiders. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Tsk a badly dressed marketing team ;) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Nope. +</I>><i> The team of Jono have been quite concerned with organisation ( see the +</I>><i> various track at UDS ), they produced some code to help on various level +</I>><i> ( acire, python-snippet ), wrote some documentations ( for the various +</I>><i> community process ) and they also try to act as mediator ( see Jono +</I>><i> book, chapter 9 ) when there is a conflict. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This IMHO exceed the scope of a marketing team. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> I'm not denying that marketing to +</I>>><i> bring in Code Contributors is a necessary thing and in fact we've already +</I>>><i> identified this group as our initial, primary target market, however the fact +</I>>><i> that Ubuntu is high profile out in the market place gives Jono and crew a hell +</I>>><i> of a lot more leverage to bring in new talent. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> They do not seem to attract so much new talent, if we look at the +</I>><i> metrics I gave before. Or at least, they are not more successful that +</I>><i> Fedora or Gentoo ( back in the day when Gentoo was all the rage, some +</I>><i> years ago in 2005 ). Of course, they are more successful than we were in +</I>><i> Mandriva, so that's not bad either. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> The same goes for +</I>>>><i> Fedora and Redhat +</I>>>><i> ( <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture</A> ) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It's interesting that you point to that URL, I'm a big believer in the Biology +</I>>><i> of Community that the Fedora guys talk about. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The principle idea behind it is that once a community reaches a critical mass +</I>>><i> it becomes self sustaining, in the case of the Mageia community that would be +</I>>><i> the point where you could remove all of the founders from the mix and it would +</I>>><i> keep going. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> To me that requires a whole community, it is a holistic beast. Yes you can +</I>>><i> continue a community that rides on the coat tails of a single person or core +</I>>><i> group but is it self sustaining. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Fedora has reached this point I think and would continue if RedHat was removed +</I>>><i> from the equation. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Time may tell us sooner than we think. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Would Ubuntu continue without Shuttleworth and Canonical, +</I>>><i> I'm not sure, but I reckon they are a long way toward it. OOo wasn't, but +</I>>><i> LibreOffice has the opportunity to be. Debian, I don't know the community +</I>>><i> well enough to comment. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There was a point were the Debian infrastructure was almost forked some +</I>><i> years ago, according to a story I heard in Zurich ( but I do not have +</I>><i> public source ). And there was also the old rumors of a Debian fork in +</I>><i> 2003 ( <A HREF="http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/08/msg00389.html">http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/08/msg00389.html</A> ), +</I>><i> which may have lead or be fueled by the creation of Ubuntu at that time. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> The point is that community goes right across the spectrum of users +</I>>><i> Not enough of the community at the User end of the spectrum is as untenable as +</I>>><i> not enough at the Makers end. The trick is balance, that's what the Fedora +</I>>><i> project has taught us +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then the balance decided by Fedora is not really in favor of people in +</I>><i> the User end, if we look at this interview : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://howsoftwareisbuilt.com/2008/12/21/interview-with-jeroen-van-meeuwen-fedora-project-vice-president-fedora-emea/">http://howsoftwareisbuilt.com/2008/12/21/interview-with-jeroen-van-meeuwen-fedora-project-vice-president-fedora-emea/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "Jeroen: One of the big, essential differences between Fedora and other +</I>><i> distributions is that we’d rather gain one contributor than a dozen +</I>><i> users. In fact, if I could lose 1000 users right now and gain a +</I>><i> contributor, I’d do it. It’s not up to me, but if it were, I’d do it." +</I>><i> +</I> +Thanks Michael for this insightful post. I found most interesting the +numbers of contributors working on different distros and as usual the +call to attract more contributors to the Mageia project which I can tell +you is finally sinking in with some of us. + +We are hearing you (contributors) and are listening. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002504.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002491.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2523">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2523">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2523">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2523">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002524.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002524.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f2a17030f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002524.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9nhmj%24sfr%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002498.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002499.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9nhmj%24sfr%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 21:59:15 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002498.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002499.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2524">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2524">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2524">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2524">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-20 08:46, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : + +>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes, I agree, "the trick is balance". +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +1 for wobo on this one :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Samuel +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> ++1 for me too. It's finding the right balance as you said. It would be a +little interesting to find out what interests/ed the Mageia +contributors. But this could maybe be more appropriate on the dev +mailist. Maybe they would find such a question annoying. But from the +people in marketing, it would probably help us in creating a marketing +strategy towards dev interest. + +Marc + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002498.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002499.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2524">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2524">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2524">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2524">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002525.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002525.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d61a8b438 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002525.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9nidp%2418m%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002522.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002527.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9nidp%2418m%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 22:11:36 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002522.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002527.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2525">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2525">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2525">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2525">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-20 15:49, Morgan Leijström a écrit : +><i> Den 2010-10-20 14:52:05 skrev Frederic Janssens: +</I>>><i> Some remarks about the Mageia Code of Conduct proposal +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I think the part +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> "Our community is made up of a number of individuals and +</I>>><i> organizations which can roughly be divided into two groups: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe above change "divided into" to "seen as" +</I>><i> (softer) +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> - Contributors, or those who add value to the project through improving +</I>>><i> distribution and any project from Mageia +</I>>><i> - Users, or those who add value to the project through their support as +</I>>><i> users of Mageia" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe add +</I>><i> "Of course, users are encouraged to participate by helping other users on the +</I>><i> forum, submit bug reports, translations, building on wiki, whatever they +</I>><i> like... and thus contribute any way they like." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mmm something like that... +</I>><i> +</I> +You could also substitute "divided into" to "comprised of". I agree also +that the "divided as" brings up a negative feeling and should maybe be +reconsidered. + +In my opinion I don't think that making a list of the types of support +that a user could bring to the project would be necessary. Otherwise you +would be constantly fielding requests to add a particular support +category to the list. I think that the line: + +"- Users, or those who add value to the project through their support as +users of Mageia" + +is adequate enough to most people. You will get fewer questions +regarding this line than the list of user support categories. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002522.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002527.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2525">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2525">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2525">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2525">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002526.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002526.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bdc0a54b6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002526.html @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1287605636.7374.38.camel%40localhost.localdomain%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002512.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002515.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>David Coulette</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1287605636.7374.38.camel%40localhost.localdomain%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">dcoulette at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 22:13:56 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002515.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2526">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2526">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2526">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2526">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 à 16:05 +0200, Kristoffer Grundström a +écrit : +><i> Right, but perhaps a video during the installation teaching them what +</I>><i> they should know for future installations would help. +</I>><i> +</I>"In this video we will show you how not to wipe out all your precious +data when repatitioning a harddrive, so that newt time you are more +cautious. Cheers from the team" + + +Providing educative material for beginners is a very good idea but ... + definitely not in an installer : installing an operating system is +always a risky procedure : the unknowing user should be guided or +informed BEFORE even inserting the installation media. +Educationnal material should be available through manuals, tutorial +videos, or better direct help from a more advanced user. + +Trying to adapt the interface of a crucial piece of software to +educate newbies is a recipe for disaster : +- there's not limit on the amout of things people may not know so you +end up targeting people who know nothing and anyway will need help from +someone else. The attempt looks like trying to design a pen for people +who don't know yet how to write. +- the dumbing down of the interface bears the risk of making the +installer harder to use by knowlegeable users, who act based on accurate +and technical information. + +One could argue for multi-level interface but you'll have to make +assumptions about the categories of users you create : apart from the +usual "sensible_defaults/advanced" modes you would have to encompass the +whole spectrum from absolute newbie to expert sysadmin. + +I'm not advocating making a text-mode obscure installer, just that the +installer has a precise function : installing a system based on +unequivocal input from the user. Auto-detection of hardaware and +sensible defaults make the process easier and faster for the most common +cases, but you can't always avoid requesting more "technical" input from +the user. + +Your idea of video is a good one : you could even extend it to +interactive ones. A web app acting as an installation simulator/tutor +could ease the process greatly for new users, with no risk for their +system. They could at least, during that "training session",be guided to +gather the relevant data about their system and their configuration +choices before doing the installation itself. + +IMHO separation of educationnal material from software interface make +both better : +- the educational material can be as verbose as necessary, adaptable to +different kind of users. +- the installer interface can do its job properly : provide accurate and +effective data exchange between the user and the installer. + +Sorry for the long rant..;) I saw too many interfaces dumbed down to the +point of being useless to everyone, newbies included. + +Cheers. + + + + + + + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002515.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2526">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2526">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2526">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2526">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002527.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002527.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ddc3af2f1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002527.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3C201010202226.15794.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002525.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002528.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct</H1> + <B>Morgan Leijström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3C201010202226.15794.fri%40tribun.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct">fri at tribun.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 22:26:15 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002525.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002528.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2527">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2527">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2527">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2527">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Den 2010-10-20 22:11:36 skrev Marc Paré: +><i> In my opinion I don't think that making a list of the types of support +</I>><i> that a user could bring to the project would be necessary. +</I> +We can never make a complete list, but give ideas. + +><i> Otherwise you +</I>><i> would be constantly fielding requests to add a particular support +</I>><i> category to the list. I think that the line: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "- Users, or those who add value to the project through their support as +</I>><i> users of Mageia" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> is adequate enough to most people. +</I> +But it is not as mind-catching + +Of course anything "add value through support" + +><i> You will get fewer questions +</I>><i> regarding this line than the list of user support categories. +</I> +But also less "aha I know what i can do to help" reactions. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002525.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002528.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2527">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2527">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2527">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2527">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002528.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002528.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bd631cd73 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002528.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3C1287608797.4591.22.camel%40access.dscvcp.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002527.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002530.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct</H1> + <B>George J. Walsh</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3C1287608797.4591.22.camel%40access.dscvcp.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct">gjwalsh at dscvcp.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 23:06:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002527.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002530.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2528">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2528">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2528">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2528">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:11 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: +><i> Le 2010-10-20 15:49, Morgan Leijström a écrit : +</I>><i> > Den 2010-10-20 14:52:05 skrev Frederic Janssens: +</I>><i> >> Some remarks about the Mageia Code of Conduct proposal +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct</A> +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> I think the part +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> "Our community is made up of a number of individuals and +</I>><i> >> organizations which can roughly be divided into two groups: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You could also substitute "divided into" to "comprised of". I agree also +</I>><i> that the "divided as" brings up a negative feeling and should maybe be +</I>><i> reconsidered. +</I> +Excellent word-smithing there, Marc. + +Your use of the phrase 'comprised of' implies a broader and more 'open' +inclusion, as opposed to a more rigidly narrow definition which, as you +have also pointed out is conflict-promoting with negative overtones. +Surely not what we are wanting to do. + +Bravo ... + +George + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002527.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002530.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2528">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2528">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2528">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2528">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002529.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002529.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..86f6436e5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002529.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1287609497.4591.24.camel%40access.dscvcp.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002521.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>George J. Walsh</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1287609497.4591.24.camel%40access.dscvcp.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">gjwalsh at dscvcp.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 23:18:17 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002521.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2529">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2529">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2529">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2529">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:59 +0100, Catalin Florin RUSSEN wrote: +><i> Yeah, why not. One swiss knife distro: 1 DVD that allows you to install via the +</I>><i> meta-tasks the config you like (Desktop, Laptop, Netbook, Gaming, Server...). +</I>><i> Great, I like this ideea. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Best regards, +</I>><i> Florin +</I> +Count my little group in on this approach too. + +George + +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ----- Original Message ---- +</I>><i> From: Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>><i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>; Mageia general discussions <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>> +</I>><i> Sent: Wed, 20 October, 2010 17:22:25 +</I>><i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. At Mandriva we already had different ISOs for 32- and 64-bit, which +</I>><i> we should do as well. So this question about the arch during +</I>><i> installation is obsolete. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2. A difference between desktop/laptop/mobile should be on "task" +</I>><i> level like the meta-task scripts we had at Mandriva. I don't think +</I>><i> there should be a real special distribution for any purpose. There are +</I>><i> special Mandriva editions für netbooks (meego), for machines with +</I>><i> poor ressources (LXDE Edition), etc. Such special editions used to be +</I>><i> created by groups inside the community, we can do it likewise. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, my vote goes to the "one Mageia edition" solution with room for +</I>><i> any other special enhancements to be created by community groups like +</I>><i> the XFCE group, the LXDE group (MUD), the Meego group, etc. At least +</I>><i> for the start. If we have the ressources and if there is a demand for +</I>><i> such special editions we can see to that later after the main +</I>><i> distribution is rolling. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> BTW: "Mobile Linux" for mobile phones is Android and I don't think +</I>><i> anyone could beat that on the market. We should not bother with that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002521.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2529">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2529">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2529">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2529">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002530.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002530.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..247affb65 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/002530.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimK%3DyuXQ_KUKeZ_DHUMqvdoiQu9yaBpmY87KZcZ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002528.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002505.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20about%20the%20Mageia%20Code%20of%20Conduct&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimK%3DyuXQ_KUKeZ_DHUMqvdoiQu9yaBpmY87KZcZ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 20 23:24:18 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002528.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002505.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2530">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2530">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2530">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2530">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/20 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> You could also substitute "divided into" to "comprised of". I agree also +</I>><i> that the "divided as" brings up a negative feeling and should maybe be +</I>><i> reconsidered. +</I> +Hmm, there I stand as a non-native english speaker. :) +We (German crowd) translated the document using the old translation +for Mandriva. In German we used the expression "zusammengesetzt" which +means "comprised of" because that's how we interpreted this sentence. +:<i>) +</I></PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002528.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002505.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2530">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2530">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2530">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2530">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2dafe1ddc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,262 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Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2524"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002525.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2525"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002491.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A><A NAME="2491"> </A> +<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002515.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2515"> </A> +<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2520"> </A> +<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002508.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2508"> </A> +<I>Wayne Sallee +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002495.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2495"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002503.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2503"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A 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Walsh +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2529"> </A> +<I>George J. Walsh +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002497.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2497"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Wed Oct 20 23:24:18 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 20 23:24:22 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/date.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/date.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1aefc4825 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/date.html @@ -0,0 +1,262 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC 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selection +</A><A NAME="2489"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002490.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2490"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002491.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A><A NAME="2491"> </A> +<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002492.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A><A NAME="2492"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002493.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A><A NAME="2493"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002495.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2495"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002494.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2494"> </A> +<I>MacXi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002496.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2496"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002497.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2497"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002498.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2498"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002499.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2499"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002500.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2500"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002501.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2501"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002502.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2502"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002503.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2503"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002504.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2504"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002505.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2505"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002508.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2508"> </A> +<I>Wayne Sallee +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002506.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2506"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2513"> </A> +<I>Dubeau, Patrick +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002507.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2507"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002509.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2509"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002510.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2510"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2511"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2512"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2514"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002515.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2515"> </A> +<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2516"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002517.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2517"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2518"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002519.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2519"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2520"> </A> +<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002521.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2521"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002522.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2522"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002523.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2523"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2524"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002525.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2525"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2526"> </A> +<I>David Coulette +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002527.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2527"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002528.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2528"> </A> +<I>George J. Walsh +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2529"> </A> +<I>George J. Walsh +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002530.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2530"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Wed Oct 20 23:24:18 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 20 23:24:22 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +thread.html
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Walsh +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002530.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2530"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002488.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2488"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002489.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2489"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002490.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2490"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002495.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2495"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002496.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2496"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002498.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2498"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002499.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2499"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002501.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2501"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002503.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2503"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002504.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2504"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002523.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2523"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2524"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002491.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A><A NAME="2491"> </A> +<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002492.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A><A NAME="2492"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002493.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement +</A><A NAME="2493"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002505.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2505"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002506.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2506"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2513"> </A> +<I>Dubeau, Patrick +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002507.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2507"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2511"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2512"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2514"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002515.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2515"> </A> +<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2516"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002517.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2517"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2518"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2520"> </A> +<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002521.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2521"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2526"> </A> +<I>David Coulette +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2529"> </A> +<I>George J. Walsh +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002494.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2494"> </A> +<I>MacXi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002497.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2497"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Wed Oct 20 23:24:18 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 20 23:24:22 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101020/thread.html new file mode 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+</A><A NAME="2498"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<!--3 01287537984-01287573312-01287577491-01287578782-01287604755- --> +<LI><A HREF="002524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2524"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01287537984-01287573312-01287577491-01287578792- --> +<LI><A HREF="002499.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2499"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01287537984-01287573312-01287577491-01287578792-01287579250- --> +<LI><A HREF="002501.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2501"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01287537984-01287573312-01287577491-01287581075- --> +<LI><A HREF="002503.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A NAME="2503"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01287537984-01287573312-01287577491-01287581075-01287581492- --> +<LI><A HREF="002504.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A><A 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Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2497"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01287579125- --> +<LI><A HREF="002500.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2500"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01287579125-01287579994- --> +<LI><A HREF="002502.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2502"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287579125-01287579994-01287583132- --> +<LI><A HREF="002509.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2509"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<!--2 01287579125-01287579994-01287583151- --> +<LI><A HREF="002510.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2510"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01287579125-01287579994-01287583151-01287588793- --> +<LI><A HREF="002519.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2519"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01287579125-01287582267- --> +<LI><A HREF="002508.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2508"> </A> +<I>Wayne Sallee +</I> + +<!--1 01287579125-01287604187- --> +<LI><A HREF="002522.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2522"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287579125-01287604187-01287605496- --> +<LI><A HREF="002525.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2525"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01287579125-01287604187-01287605496-01287606375- --> +<LI><A HREF="002527.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2527"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<!--3 01287579125-01287604187-01287605496-01287608797- --> +<LI><A HREF="002528.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2528"> </A> +<I>George J. Walsh +</I> + +<!--3 01287579125-01287604187-01287605496-01287609858- --> +<LI><A HREF="002530.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct +</A><A NAME="2530"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01287582065- --> +<LI><A HREF="002505.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2505"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01287582065-01287582302- --> +<LI><A HREF="002506.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2506"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287582065-01287582302-01287582438- --> +<LI><A HREF="002513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2513"> </A> +<I>Dubeau, Patrick +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01287582065-01287582302-01287582438-01287583747- --> +<LI><A HREF="002514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2514"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01287582065-01287582302-01287582551- --> +<LI><A HREF="002507.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2507"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01287582065-01287582302-01287582551-01287583322- --> +<LI><A HREF="002511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2511"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01287582065-01287582302-01287582551-01287583322-01287583546- --> +<LI><A HREF="002512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2512"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<!--3 01287582065-01287582302-01287582551-01287583322-01287583546-01287605636- --> +<LI><A HREF="002526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2526"> </A> +<I>David Coulette +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01287582065-01287584290- --> +<LI><A HREF="002515.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2515"> </A> +<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287582065-01287584290-01287584768- --> +<LI><A HREF="002516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2516"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01287582065-01287585304- --> +<LI><A HREF="002517.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2517"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287582065-01287585304-01287588145- --> +<LI><A HREF="002518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2518"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01287582065-01287585304-01287588145-01287590381- --> +<LI><A HREF="002520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2520"> </A> +<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN +</I> + +<!--3 01287582065-01287585304-01287588145-01287590381-01287591319- --> +<LI><A HREF="002521.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2521"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01287582065-01287585304-01287588145-01287590381-01287609497- --> +<LI><A HREF="002529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2529"> </A> +<I>George J. 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