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If enough people agree with your objective, you +</I>><i> > > may find that you have enough critical mass to produce a derived distro +</I>><i> > > with a face and personality which matches your objectives. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This is one of the interesting elements of FOSS marketing that I've +</I>><i> > talked about in the past. That Marketing department, which in a +</I>><i> > corporate world always has the ear of management more so than the +</I>><i> > Development people simply because of human interaction capabilities, has +</I>><i> > to turn it's focus inward. The problem is, an one I've been trying to +</I>><i> > avoid here, is that it becomes insular to the exclusion of all else and +</I>><i> > then the community stagnates and spirals into irrelevancy. For the +</I>><i> > community to grow there has to be a dynamism, (and I'm talking grow in +</I>><i> > terms of the community of contributors) Userland is the big billboard +</I>><i> > of that dynamism. Ubuntu for all it's faults and annoyances has taught +</I>><i> > us one thing, high visibility in Userland attracts contributors. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then what Fedora and Debian has taught us ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Because AFAIK there is also lots of contributors in Fedora, as there is +</I>><i> in Debian, and I think they didn't really choose the high visibility +</I>><i> path to get them. So I do not think we can really find a direct +</I>><i> correlation between "ubuntu has lots of users" and "there is lots of +</I>><i> contribution". +</I> + +Debian is an interesting case in viral marketing in a highly interconnected +demographic. I always remember the "OMG we have a new release!" that used to +race round the maillists and Usergroups. It never really had a market share, +rather it had almost a monopoly in its chosen demographic. It is deliberately +eclectic and famously stubborn and being part of the community is as important +as the software itself, I mean he named it after his wife and himself, Deb and +Ian, how cool is that. It was just that attitude that endeared it to it's +chosen community and good on them. Slackware and Gentoo have a similar ethic. +And more power to them. It wasn't until Ubuntu came along that Debian gained +much in the way of widespread traction. However it was it's obsession with +stability that attracted the Mark. They could afford to break things because +they had this super stable backstop, but at the end of the day, Debian counts +the Ubuntu user as it's community, I would be interested to know how many more +developers Debian picked up in the wake of Ubuntu's popularity, I certainly +know quite a few. Certainly HPs support was post Ubuntu startup + +Fedora has the benefit of age, being around a long time and focusing in the +corporate space is a good way to lift profile in your preferred market. I +don't have any figures unfortunately but I would suspect many came from Red +Hat sites. + +In any case, both are in fact very small in terms of the whole desktop market +and even in terms of all developers. + + + +><i> +</I>><i> My own opinion is that Canonical pay 5 people full time to take care of +</I>><i> the community growth +</I>><i> ( <A HREF="http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/">http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/</A> ), and that's +</I>><i> the main reason for contribution from outsiders. +</I> +Tsk a badly dressed marketing team ;) I'm not denying that marketing to +bring in Code Contributors is a necessary thing and in fact we've already +identified this group as our initial, primary target market, however the fact +that Ubuntu is high profile out in the market place gives Jono and crew a hell +of a lot more leverage to bring in new talent. + + +><i> The same goes for +</I>><i> Fedora and Redhat +</I>><i> ( <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture</A> ) +</I> +It's interesting that you point to that URL, I'm a big believer in the Biology +of Community that the Fedora guys talk about. + +The principle idea behind it is that once a community reaches a critical mass +it becomes self sustaining, in the case of the Mageia community that would be +the point where you could remove all of the founders from the mix and it would +keep going. + +To me that requires a whole community, it is a holistic beast. Yes you can +continue a community that rides on the coat tails of a single person or core +group but is it self sustaining. + +Fedora has reached this point I think and would continue if RedHat was removed +from the equation. Would Ubuntu continue without Shuttleworth and Canonical, +I'm not sure, but I reckon they are a long way toward it. OOo wasn't, but +LibreOffice has the opportunity to be. Debian, I don't know the community +well enough to comment. + +The point is that community goes right across the spectrum of users +Not enough of the community at the User end of the spectrum is as untenable as +not enough at the Makers end. The trick is balance, that's what the Fedora +project has taught us + +Cheers +GL + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002489.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2488">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2488">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2488">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2488">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |