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But it's not a good idea since Mandriva Linux Free is used as a server system. So, is it possible to upgrade the installed packages and settings of Mandriva to the ones of Mageia? 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But it's not a good idea since Mandriva Linux Free is used as a server system. So, is it possible to upgrade the installed packages and settings of Mandriva to the ones of Mageia? Will Mageia have an edition as Mandriva Linux Free? +</I> +Yes, it will be possible to upgrade from Mandriva 2010.1 to Mageia. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002432.html">[Mageia-discuss] About the Migration from Mandriva to Mageia +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002434.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2433">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2433">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2433">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2433">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002434.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002434.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4f807a9f2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002434.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3Ca1f7153613fe5d1c4797cd4dc42f91f8.squirrel%40linuxbsdos.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002433.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002437.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>LinuxBSDos.com</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3Ca1f7153613fe5d1c4797cd4dc42f91f8.squirrel%40linuxbsdos.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">finid at linuxbsdos.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 03:11:08 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002433.html">[Mageia-discuss] About the Migration from Mandriva to Mageia +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002437.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2434">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2434">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2434">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2434">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +>><i> I agree with most everything said +</I>><i> Not quite evident to understand in this quite controversial discussion! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I cant keep my tong away from my cheek - sorry. The real point for my +</I>><i> reply is: I am getting more and more confused with the ultimate goal +</I>><i> pursued by Mageia: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - (1) Does Mageia define its profile and then develops sales arguments +</I>><i> for how to sell the distro? +</I>><i> or +</I>><i> - (2) Does Mageia make a list of sales arguments and then designs the +</I>><i> distro that goes with these arguments? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Probably it is a mix of both - but there should be a clear priority. I +</I>><i> had understood Mageia to be a community distro, i.e. no question, (1): +</I>><i> shape the distro according to the needs of the community - and then (OK, +</I>><i> plan beforehand) see how to hook more "customers". I believe in the +</I>><i> solidity of the community behind Mageia and its opinions - what this +</I>><i> community judges right has a large probability of being "right" - why +</I>><i> forget this achievement and base judgement on opportunity (afraid, my +</I>><i> tong again ...) +</I>><i> +</I> +It's this idea of "community" that has been the bane of virtually all +Linux distributions. It's part of the reason that we have failed to +conquer the desktop. If Android were a "community" mobile distribution, it +would not be in the position that it currently occupies. + +Instead of focusing on the needs of the community, why not start thinking +of building a distribution for main stream users. Think about how +successful companies design their products. Think about what has made +Apple so successful. It's vision and foresight. It's knowing what people +need and building it, before they even realize that they need it. + +The whole idea of listening to thousands of opinions on how a distribution +should be designed stymies real progress, especially when most of those +opinions are not based on a real understanding of the subject matter. + +You get a group of people who have a certain degree of expertize in their +field, and get them to design and build a product. In this particular case +it should be very easy. Just look around. There are hundreds of +distributions that we can co-opt features from and then make them better. + +We do not need a thousand opinions to do that. + +-- +Fini Decima + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002433.html">[Mageia-discuss] About the Migration from Mandriva to Mageia +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002437.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2434">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2434">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2434">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2434">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002435.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002435.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7bca59d42 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002435.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva Flash + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20Flash&In-Reply-To=%3C32d5730a19d36160b7895a3c74c8dc60%4094.167.39.45%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002437.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002436.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva Flash</H1> + <B>Fabio.bronzini</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20Flash&In-Reply-To=%3C32d5730a19d36160b7895a3c74c8dc60%4094.167.39.45%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva Flash">fabio.bronzini at email.it + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 08:33:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002437.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002436.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2435">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2435">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2435">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2435">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE><i'm sorry for my latest mistake with HTML-email format...so i'm sending a +new copy of my original post (in text-only format)> + +(ENGLISH) + +Good morning, +i like very well the possibility to use Mageia Linux on a USB pen drive, as +many other distro-Linux, may be we could propose to the authors of +freeware-Windows-utilities (like Universal USB Installer or UnetBootIn) to +support Mageia Linux in the next release....? + +I tried the next version/release of Universal USB Installer (1.8.04) - un +update especially for the new Ubuntu Linux 10.10 (released on 10.10, the +same day of Ubuntu 10.10), i wrote an italian article for a professional-web +portal (called Consulenti ICT Italia) about this utility-freeware for +Windows (which can make quickly a Linux-pen-drive bootable using a common PC +with Windows Vista/7/XP by an iso files of a distro-Linux, and not only +Ubuntu Linux) + +You'll be able to read my article (in italian), following this URL link: + +<A HREF="http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html">http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html</A> + +If you need an help to test the next Mageia Linux stable version (even a +beta) with Universal USB Installer (or similar utility freeware for Windows +systems), i'll be happy to support you.. i'm available also to wirte an +italian article on/about Mageia Linux (the next stable release when it will +be available), i'm a freelance writer for some italian ICT magazines such as +Consulenti ICT Italia, Linux Magazine, TechAssistance, Infomedia-Computer +Programming, etc. + +My best wishes to Mageia Linux, sincerely + +Fabio Bronzini +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fabio.bronzini at email.it</A> +Visit my blog: <A HREF="http://giornalinux.blogspot.com">http://giornalinux.blogspot.com</A> + + -- + Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP +autenticato? 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We are almost done with the +</I>>>><i> groundwork and holding off a bit would help us in completing and +</I>>>><i> presenting our suggestions. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> As I wrote I do agree as well. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point but the +</I>>>><i> overall flavour of the Mageia brand. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote "identifying target markets", may be I +</I>>><i> +</I>Indeed he did +>><i> did not read it right? I am not talking about the time when this will +</I>>><i> be done but rather voice another warning about being too restrictive +</I>>><i> while doing that "indentifying target markets", whenever that will be. +</I>>><i> I still remember the previous discussion about such restrictive +</I>>><i> targets as "young couples" and the like, basing the procedure on +</I>>><i> demographic statistics of certain parts of the world. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ack and I swore I wasn't going to get into this discussion again because it's +</I>><i> like talking to a brick wall ... +</I>><i> +</I>Excuse us if we have the same impression +><i> However, you still stubbornly hold to the view that somehow, by a piece of +</I>><i> grand magic that nobody else in the business world has ever managed to do, +</I>><i> unless they are a monopoly, we can come up with something that suits everyone +</I>><i> in the world of all ages. Tell us what that secret is because you'll be able +</I>><i> to sell it for millions. Usually the people who say this are in reality saying +</I>><i> "Everybody in MY demographic" +</I>><i> +</I>Somehow you sound like you think you that Mageia can be marketed like +cosmetics. +This isn't fantasy island. And Linux and computers aren't gimmicks. +><i> The reality is: We are going into a saturated market, there are hundreds of +</I>><i> distros out there, the successful ones have identified their target markets +</I>><i> and branded to that market, The major competitor works effectively in a +</I>><i> Monopolistic atmosphere while still spending $US500 million annually on +</I>><i> marketing and you think they don't target markets! +</I>><i> +</I>Sure. Their target market is anyone who thinks that they might want a +computer. Or any company that might want to sell one. And the many +thousands of politicians easily swayed by campaign contributions ... +(It worked in Massachusetts.) +><i> We have been working on publishing the Core Values over the past week or so, +</I>><i> that immediately defines a market in and of itself. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The families market suggestion was one that came to me because of personal +</I>><i> experience in my business in that my most successful instances of selling +</I>><i> linux have (after studying results) been in a family environment where the +</I>><i> small network support model was functioning. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now in my market then the target would be the Mothers, in Germany, according +</I>><i> to your analysis, the Fathers, in each of these markets the upshot of success +</I>><i> is 2.4 users, or possibly more if you count 3 generations (Or whatever your +</I>><i> average family size wherever you are) and an instant local support network +</I>><i> (MS's greatest strength). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The point is the suggestion was made giving due consideration to a pile of +</I>><i> factors including maintaining user base, aka: Brand Loyalty (Kevin Roberts, of +</I>><i> Saatchis calls 'Building Love Brands' and he often cites Apple as an +</I>><i> example). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now does that mean we are restricting the market, of course not. Apple's +</I>><i> target is young, high disposable income, singles. To me that's obvious and I +</I>><i> could prove that, but I was told that "Apple Targets everyone" ???? naturally +</I>><i> by someone in that demographic. +</I>><i> +</I>Hate to burst your bubble, but in Canada Apple computers biggest market +penetration is post-secondary students - not exactly a high income group. +><i> Marketing is not witchcraft or voodoo, it's a science and an art form. +</I>Make up your mind - is it a science, or an art form ? +It can't be both. +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We need to get on with it and no matter what there is an absolute given: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "You cannot please all of the people all of the time" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Really, at this point we have a lot of work to do before we define or even +</I>><i> identify our target market. When we get to that point any realistic positive +</I>><i> alternatives will be well received. +</I>If Mageia restricts itself to one target market, that's not going to help. +It needs to reach out in many directions, with many focuses. +It won't survive without an active contributing community, which means +in the near and medium term, appealing to current Mandriva users and +contributors. +One can *add* various targets, but to centre everything around a +hypothetical, unproven target is suicide. And no amount of marketing +mumble jumble will change that. +Of course, if you want to sell used cars ... +><i> Cheers +</I>><i> GL +</I>><i> +</I> +my 2 cents +- André + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002435.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva Flash +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002438.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2436">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2436">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2436">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2436">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002437.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002437.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..db5817d2a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002437.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010171020.48556.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002434.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002435.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Renaud MICHEL</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010171020.48556.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 10:20:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002434.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002435.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva Flash +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2437">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2437">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2437">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2437">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On dimanche 17 octobre 2010 at 03:11, LinuxBSDos.com wrote : +><i> It's this idea of "community" that has been the bane of virtually all +</I>><i> Linux distributions. It's part of the reason that we have failed to +</I>><i> conquer the desktop. If Android were a "community" mobile distribution, +</I>><i> it would not be in the position that it currently occupies. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Instead of focusing on the needs of the community, why not start thinking +</I>><i> of building a distribution for main stream users. Think about how +</I>><i> successful companies design their products. Think about what has made +</I>><i> Apple so successful. It's vision and foresight. It's knowing what people +</I>><i> need and building it, before they even realize that they need it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The whole idea of listening to thousands of opinions on how a +</I>><i> distribution should be designed stymies real progress, especially when +</I>><i> most of those opinions are not based on a real understanding of the +</I>><i> subject matter. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You get a group of people who have a certain degree of expertize in their +</I>><i> field, and get them to design and build a product. In this particular +</I>><i> case it should be very easy. Just look around. There are hundreds of +</I>><i> distributions that we can co-opt features from and then make them better. +</I> +Contrary to android and macos (and mandriva) which are backed by +enterprises, mageia is a community project. +So if you throw away the community, there is nothing left. + +-- +Renaud Michel +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002434.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002435.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva Flash +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2437">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2437">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2437">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2437">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002438.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002438.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..146555567 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002438.html @@ -0,0 +1,194 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C4CBAB2DE.2000902%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002436.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002439.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C4CBAB2DE.2000902%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 10:25:02 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002436.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002439.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2438">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2438">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2438">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2438">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Graham Lauder a écrit : +><i> On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 16:16:39 Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Graham Lauder wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> It is a well known fact, that you cannot be all things to all people, to +</I>>>><i> try to do that would end up being everything to noone. I would prefer +</I>>>><i> to be the best we can be to those who grow to love the brand. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> True, but you are forgetting to take into account the views of the +</I>>><i> developers and packagers of Mageia. Without them there will be no Mageia +</I>>><i> distro and since partecipation is on an unpaid volunteer basis, no +</I>>><i> grand plan of shaping the distro from a marketing POV will succeed, if +</I>>><i> it doesn't match the views of a large part of the devs and packagers. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> What has that got to do with it, there is always an internal component to the +</I>><i> marketing, goes without saying +</I>><i> +</I>That has everything to do with it. Without contributors, Mageia does +not exist. +As simple as that. +><i> +</I>>><i> This is not a criticism of your work (which I'm sure is well meant), but +</I>>><i> it's a simple but crucial fact that you have to take into account. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Damned by faint praise, and frankly I'm insulted, I suggest you read the Core +</I>><i> Values statement which is up on the website now I think and which I and my +</I>><i> team put together in deep consultation with the founders. +</I>You may be making useful contributions, but your attitude towards others +opinions does not make you welcome. A little less arrogance would be +appreciated. +By the way, the core values statement definitely needs refining, +although it is a start. In general, it is not surprising for a +community-based open source distribution. But not (yet) a work of art. +>>><i> All linux distributions at the moment have a less than 1.5% of the total +</I>>>><i> market, however in the area where they have targeted a particular user +</I>>>><i> set, Webservers, the market penetration is somewhere around the 65% +</I>>>><i> mark. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> And that's because of the simple fact that Linux is the best technical +</I>>><i> choice for that specific application and the decisionmakers are techies +</I>>><i> who know that, it has nothing to do with marketing. +</I>>><i> If anything it shows how marketing counts for nothing when techies and +</I>>><i> experts make choices. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I'm really trying to be restrained here but I think you should talk to RedHat +</I>><i> and SuSE and so forth the companies that have driven most of that market and +</I>><i> ask them if the did no marketing. +</I>><i> +</I>You could at least have the courtesy to acknowlege the point. +Of course one can market on the basis of technical traits. But that is +not what you are proposing for Mageia. At least not in your postings. +>>><i> How many users does Mandriva have worldwide, compare that to the number +</I>>>><i> of computer users and you will see that the "one size fits all" does not +</I>>>><i> equal significant market share. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Mandriva is not a "one size fits all". It is the best Linux desktop +</I>>><i> distro, but it's not the best choice as a server distro or for many +</I>>><i> other uses. +</I>>><i> The fact that it doesn't have more users is primarily due to the unfair +</I>>><i> advantage that Windows has because it comes preinstalled on PCs. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> That is in fact patently untrue, I remember when Mandrake was trumpeting the +</I>><i> fact that you could buy it preinstalled back about 9.0 I think, can't +</I>><i> remember. +</I>But only if you lived in France at the time. Where market penetration +is a bit more impressive. +However, virtually every computer comes with Microsoft preinstalled. +(And the ms tax included.) Being honest, you should acknowledge his +point, which is clearly well founded. But that would be the high road ... +><i> MS spends 500 million a year on marketing, just to maintain that +</I>><i> market share. +</I>><i> +</I>And how much of that goes to campaign contributions and the like. Or is +that in addition to the 500 million ? +>>><i> OOo is targeted at office productivity people for obvious reasons, +</I>>>><i> it's branding, colour design (Blue engenders a feeling of reliability +</I>>>><i> and efficiency) is aimed at that market group. The Logo design is +</I>>>><i> aimed at a 30 to 45 age group, who are the decision makers in this group +</I>>>><i> and to whom "Gulls" = Freedom. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> I very much doubt any OOo user chose it because of the logo, personally +</I>>><i> I chose software on technical and usability merits, not logo design and +</I>>><i> even all non-techies I know do the same. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Oh for crying out loud is there a virus around here that imbues density... +</I>Logical point. Just who has the virus ? +><i> OF +</I>><i> COURSE they didn't choose because of the Logo, ye gods if you so much as had +</I>><i> an inkling of the smallest piece of Marketing science you would see how +</I>><i> nonsensical that statement is in terms of what we are talking about, +</I>><i> +</I>So in other words, you agree that the logo is *not* important to why +people chose software. So why have you been trumpeting choosing the +right logo for the target market ? +><i> especially when you say it as though you have a deep dark knowledge. I don't +</I>><i> really have time to do marketing 101 here and It's wasting my time when I +</I>><i> could be doing the more useful things that the Founders have asked us to do. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However: +</I>><i> Marketing raises Brand awareness +</I>><i> It connects a value with the product in the Consumers mind +</I>><i> It connects a brand with people on an emotional level +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's it, Getting people to use it is Sales which is a different beast +</I>><i> altogether. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We get people to see the brand, connect with the brand and then think about +</I>><i> investigating it after that it's sales and engineering. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Software is not a car or a handbag or a jacket, those are items where +</I>>><i> looks and design counts a lot, with software the only design that counts +</I>>><i> is UI interface design aimed at maximising usability. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There is an old saying there are none so blind as those that will not see, and +</I>><i> +</I>Yes indeed. Have you looked in a mirror lately ? +><i> it doesn't matter how good the UI is, if no-one looks at it, it's the same for +</I>><i> anything, you can make it as pretty and as usable as you want if nobody knows +</I>><i> the brand exists then the only ones that will connect are the ones that +</I>><i> stumble across it accidentally. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Once more, this is wasting my time and there is no point in discussing this +</I>><i> with a closed mind and entrenched attitudes. +</I>><i> +</I>You could try to be a little less arrogant, a little more polite, and a +little more coherent. It might lower your blood pressure a bit. And it +certainly would be appreciated by the community. +><i> GL +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Sorry if you take offense at my comments, but frankly, your attitude +towards other's opinions borders on intolerable. And I strongly dislike +seeing others abused for politely expressing entirely reasonable opinions. + +- André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002436.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002439.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2438">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2438">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2438">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2438">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002439.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002439.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cddbe98a1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002439.html @@ -0,0 +1,179 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C4CBB1DB0.7090002%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002438.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002440.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C4CBB1DB0.7090002%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 18:00:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002438.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002440.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2439">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2439">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2439">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2439">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Graham Lauder a écrit : +><i> On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 20:28:38 Olivier Méjean wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Being the best linux distro is not enough nowadays, we must let it know +</I>>><i> widely and do feel that Mageia is not yet another distribution among +</I>>><i> hundreds of distribution. Mageia is your future distribution even if you +</I>>><i> don't know it yet ! :) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> And that is a fallacy of thinking, we should not be competing against other +</I>><i> distros, we compete against MS +</I>><i> +</I>I agree to a degree - but there are 2 things we need to attract to +Mageia - ordinary users, who will not contribute more that bug reports +at best - and active contributors. +The former would hopefully come largely from the Ms (and why not Apple) +world, but the latter almost surely will be largely from the +Linux/Unix/BSD world. That doesn't necessarily mean that they will +cease contributing to their current distro, as many contributors +participate in more than one distro. But their support will be +essential if Mageia is to make big inroads. +>><i> Anyway, i don't think we can just transpose what's done for OOo to Mageia. +</I>>><i> OOo just compete to MS Office, Mageia compete to hundreds of Linux +</I>>><i> Distribution, and other OS, not quite the same scale. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> You are kidding of course, OOo competes in a very competitive environment. +</I>><i> KOffice, Gnome Office just in the Linux space, then on windows we're up +</I>><i> against Wordperfect, who have huge history in the space, Lotus Symphony, MS +</I>><i> Works etc. In the Linux space, Mageia competes with a whole pile small +</I>><i> players in a small market. Total is around 1.5% of the total OS market, then +</I>><i> there is 3.5 % for Mac and the rest MS. +</I>><i> +</I>KOffice - the reviews I've seen show that it lacks a lot compared with +OOo. As well, it requires installing most of the KDE desktop, which is +huge. And not nearly as widely used as Gnome. +Gnome Office is a dream. (Or nightmare, depending on your point of +view.) It barely works. A very basic word processor, and basic +spreadsheet. No presentation. No database. No drawing module. +In the Ms environment, Ms-office is very expensive, even the minimal +version. Wordperfect suite is less expensive, but still paid. Athough +very nice, it has retreated to a niche market, and is not widely used. +Ms-works is free but nowhere near as complete as OOo. +Lotus suite is also free, but had almost disappeared. +So essentially, OOo has no serious competition in the Linux world. +In the Ms environment, it is free vs paid, or more functional than its +competitors. + +Now lets consider operating systems. Since Ms comes preinstalled on +virtually all new computers, it is preceived as free by end-users. So +Linux being free is not perceived as advantageous. +Even though it takes longer to install Ms-windows than Mandriva, since +users would rarely install Ms-windows, the time it takes to install +Linux is seen as an impediment. As well, although the name Linux is +generally known, detailed information for supporting Linux is generally +unknown, even though (Mandriva) Linux has more or less equivalent +fonctionality. +><i> Now the following is my opinion only to be taken with grain of salt or +</I>><i> whatever condiment you prefer. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We are in the desktop computing market, the chunk we want a part of is at +</I>><i> present occupied by MS. +</I>Agreed. +><i> In this market the name we want to promote is Mageia, +</I>><i> we have no need to identify with Linux. +</I>Not agreed. Since the name Linux is often known, even though details +are generally unknown, associating Mageia with Linux lets more people +know what kind of animal (so to speak) Mageia is. +This has 2 advantages. The increased familiarity should lower any +resistance to trying Mageia, for those Ms users who are open to trying +something new. +And contributors to other Linux/Unix/BSD distros are more likely to +contribute to Mageia, even if they continue to actively support their +current distro. +If you are thinking of Ubuntu, don't forget that they started with paid +promotion à la Microsoft, so it hardly parallels Mageia's situation. +><i> I have no problem helping the others +</I>><i> into the market but we need to focus on MS users. If we happen to increase +</I>><i> the market for Linux then great but our focus should be on Mageia. Right now +</I>><i> there are too many distros, linux is confusing to the market, we have no need +</I>><i> to identify with it. +</I>><i> +</I>Most other distros target niche markets, and are oriented to hackers or +those fed up with Ms's agressive and anti-competitive marketing. There +are relatively few distros which have the strengths of Mandriva (which +Mageia will inherit) and the community orientation of Mageia. A major +weakness of Mandriva has been a lack of focus in its promotion, +particularly outside the Linux community, and of course the inherent +conflict between community and commercial focus. +So yes, a focus (among others) on attracting current Ms users (who +likely will dual-boot), but let's not forget the Linux community, which +is a large part of strengths of Mandriva (and now Mageia). +><i> Our goal should be be seen as the primary alternative to the encumbent leader +</I>><i> +</I>Or a major alternative. Ubuntu is not going to disappear. +><i> Focus on why we are better and tell the world. +</I>><i> +</I>But not with the blatent egosism of Ms. +><i> When the Steve gets people making videos like this +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://blogs.technet.com/b/whymicrosoft/archive/2010/10/05/15-customers-who-">http://blogs.technet.com/b/whymicrosoft/archive/2010/10/05/15-customers-who-</A> +</I>><i> switched-to-microsoft-office-after-evaluating-openoffice-org.aspx +</I>><i> +</I>><i> but focused on Mageia then we know we've made it +</I>><i> +</I>Like most Ms negative presentations, it is totally oriented to the +businesses, who are less concerned with the cost of acquisition than the +supposed cost of paid support. Pure FUD, with barely a pretence of +presentation of facts. As a community distro, our focus is not +businesses wanting paid support. +If we are openly associated with Linux in our approach to Ms users, Ms +will have a lot tougher target. Note that despite FUD against Linux, Ms +does, in various ways, offer limited support for Linux as well. They +realise that Linux is not going away any time soon, and it is in their +interests to cooperate to some degree. +>><i> Olivier +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers +</I>><i> GL +</I>><i> +</I> +my 2 cents +- André (andre999) + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002438.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002440.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2439">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2439">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2439">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2439">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002440.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002440.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..62feffe05 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002440.html @@ -0,0 +1,201 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C4CBB2329.9090703%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002439.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002443.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C4CBB2329.9090703%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 18:24:09 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002439.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002443.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2440">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2440">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2440">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2440">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> Hey everyone, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> so, to re-frame a bit things and cool down. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> First, thank you all for this conversation. That shows you care. And +</I>><i> that's great. At times, we may disagree with each other, we may not +</I>><i> manage properly yet how we say things, we may look or be a bit slow or +</I>><i> too fast. But we still can make something together - provided we aim +</I>><i> something in common, we trust and respect each other and we know how +</I>><i> to step down and apologize when needed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's not to say it's easy. It's probably the hardest part. We just +</I>><i> have to take it into account and build our way with it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A quick note the about logo proposals thing. Right, we may pause it, +</I>><i> however everyone started to propose logos even before we talked about +</I>><i> it; so at least we reframe the proposals a bit without making a full +</I>><i> stop. That gives more info to graphic designers at this point and we +</I>><i> can refine the technical specs as well. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> #1 Yes, marketing has a say in how we do things in this project. So +</I>><i> does each team. We didn't listed all these teams without intending to +</I>><i> articulate their contributions. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> One of the crucial points in this project is to make everyone respect +</I>><i> and understand each other; knowledge, feelings, opinions, unknowns are +</I>><i> all in the game and we all have to learn how to deal with this to go +</I>><i> forward. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marketing, communication (and coordination/inclusion into the project +</I>><i> main decisions) are indeed, in our inherited culture, not quite known +</I>><i> & understood. Each team has its own culture, process. Without all +</I>><i> becoming experts of each others' specialties, we need to understand, +</I>><i> value and trust our reciprocal contributions to benefit the whole +</I>><i> project. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course we are in a Open Source project so it makes some teams more +</I>><i> in technical power of decision (because they don't approve or because +</I>><i> they don't deliver or because there are technical obstacles or...). +</I>><i> That's true and that makes even more important that all participants +</I>><i> acknowledge that we all have +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So whether it takes more time, more discussion, an agreement or it's +</I>><i> up to the Council or the Board to decide in last resort. We will +</I>><i> strive to base our decisions on three things: project mission, values +</I>><i> and facts. Feelings are here as "warning signals" of dissonance and +</I>><i> understood as such; and should be resolved hopefully. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Disagreements may appear from diverse reasons; one may be that we've +</I>><i> not been specific enough about the direction (because we didn't or +</I>><i> because we still don't know well enough how to be specific enough; +</I>><i> that's something to refine as well). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> #2. Mageia.org does not target desktop users especially. Well, we do; +</I>><i> as we do target servers and embedded devices. As well. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Nor does it compete with other Linux distributions or other operating +</I>><i> systems. Yes, we do compete in some way. But we don't see ourselves +</I>><i> like this at first. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The big difference we expect for Mageia.org is not to compete, but to +</I>><i> become a inter-disciplinary collaboration community of excellence for +</I>><i> free/libre projects; the Mageia Linux distribution is only one (huge, +</I>><i> central and first) "game" in this. As a project, as a platform, as a +</I>><i> product, as a showcase. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As a hint, two teams were not listed for now, because we thought that +</I>><i> we need to roll out our first working ISO first and because we didn't +</I>><i> explained how their role would fit: ergonomics/users study and +</I>><i> electronics/hardware devices. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The goal is not only to produce a ~horizontal Linux-based system that +</I>><i> will empower people; it's to create the conditions to build ~vertical +</I>><i> solutions with it, within or from the Mageia.org community. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mageia.org is not a commercial project but a community project; where +</I>><i> people/companies will bring in and bring from. Both as users and as +</I>><i> contributors. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That does not prevent to design it through marketing, but that must be +</I>><i> aligned with the project direction. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, to draw this in perspective now, here are the next big milestones +</I>><i> we have in sight for the coming months. That does not define long term +</I>><i> strategy (which is still buried in the announcement and in the +</I>><i> vision/mission statements being worked on) but I guess it will help: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. releasing a test drive ISO before the end of November; this is to +</I>><i> test drive four things: +</I>><i> * packaging/translation/build system as a whole, +</I>><i> * community council and teams work& coordination, +</I>><i> * final product stability, +</I>><i> * concurrent discussions for future plans. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2. having December to cool down and prepare the next run; having end +</I>><i> of December free of any stress in this regard; +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 3. preparing coming FOSDEM in February 2011; where we shall meet more +</I>><i> people to discuss future and hot topics. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Concurrent to these, Mageia.org community must form and learn on itself. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For the marketing team, for instance, the first step could to market +</I>><i> the project itself toward people that will _contribute to it_, first. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's who we want to work with and who we want to be in love with the +</I>><i> product, the technology, the project and the processes first. That's +</I>><i> who we want to care about first. Then we will have to see how what we +</I>><i> love can be a fit for other people. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (and no, that doesn't exclude all users, but only users that don't +</I>><i> expect to contribute to the project directly) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That helps in three ways: +</I>><i> - helping refine the whole project vision as whole and advocate it; +</I>><i> - help contributors get a firmer grasp on who they are, and what +</I>><i> they're going to build; +</I>><i> - inform users community of what it may be going to look like. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This, with time, will help to discuss targets with more data and more +</I>><i> perspective. For everyone. Notwithstanding that other teams have quite +</I>><i> a lot of work as well and may need to advocate it as well. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, that's a short roadmap. We can expect to have a larger one later. +</I>><i> But that's what we have to focus on at this time. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We will dig into some of these points in dedicated meetings in the +</I>><i> next days (marketing/communication, roadmap and weekly progress). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I>><i> +</I>Excellent. Agree 100%. + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002439.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002443.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2440">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2440">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2440">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2440">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002441.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002441.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e13ad48f0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002441.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20Flash&In-Reply-To=%3Cm31v7oeoet.fsf%40euphor.blino.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002443.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002442.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash</H1> + <B>Olivier Blin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20Flash&In-Reply-To=%3Cm31v7oeoet.fsf%40euphor.blino.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash">mageia at blino.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 19:10:02 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002443.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002442.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2441">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2441">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2441">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2441">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Pascal Terjan <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pterjan at gmail.com</A>> writes: + +><i> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 03:41, Morgan Leijström <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">morgan at tribun.eu</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> Maybe we should early try to make an iso targeted to be placed on a USB stick +</I>>><i> to be booted and run from, and also have storage on the stick. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What do you mean by early? I would expect that is is done at the same +</I>><i> time as other isos +</I> +It depends if mageia.org wants live USB (with persistent storage) to be +part of the official releases available "for free". + +If so, it would be great to release live USB snapshots at the same time +as other beta and RC versions. + +-- +Olivier Blin - blino +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002443.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002442.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2441">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2441">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2441">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2441">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002442.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002442.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8a38300a3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002442.html @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20Flash&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinKJiyjbpLs4Mo7yRTL142SHCZj_fvv6tn23CEH%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002441.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002444.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20Flash&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinKJiyjbpLs4Mo7yRTL142SHCZj_fvv6tn23CEH%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 19:13:16 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002441.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002444.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2442">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2442">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2442">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2442">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/17 Olivier Blin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at blino.org</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> It depends if mageia.org wants live USB (with persistent storage) to be +</I>><i> part of the official releases available "for free". +</I> +It's easily done from an existing system. We did that for Mandriva +2010.1 and published a howto as well, so users who can read can do it, +too. + +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002441.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002444.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2442">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2442">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2442">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2442">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002443.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002443.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..456f72e24 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002443.html @@ -0,0 +1,140 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinaVeEXtxfDBhiRGM8HKPTr3fiMPk7Oku0H%2BiuL%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002440.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002441.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinaVeEXtxfDBhiRGM8HKPTr3fiMPk7Oku0H%2BiuL%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 19:10:03 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002440.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002441.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2443">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2443">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2443">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2443">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/17 andré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +><i> Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Hey everyone, +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> so, to re-frame a bit things and cool down. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Excellent.  Agree 100%. +</I> +Same here. + +Drawing back from a fruitless stage of the discussion I took my time +to dig out all the advertizing by the Big Ones I saw on tv and on the +street during the last years. + +Apple: +All computer related ads were technical, showing the product and +talking about the product.(like the campaigns for the "thinnest +laptop" and the current ads for the ipad). None showed any people +except a middle.aged man playing with his Apple laptop. +All ads about the real income generator of Apple are showing people +all age, mostly single persons on the screen, either only the shadow +with the white strips of the ipod earphones or as dancing teenagers. +No families, no special target. + +IBM: +All ads by IBM are technical. There's the empty server room with a +manager asking where all the servers were gone. Somebody tells him all +the work is done now by that one server running Linux. Another one +features 2 older guys watching basketball where that one guy names +"Linux" is better than all the others, one spectator tells the other, +"The best thing about this guy, he's for free!". +Current ads by IBM show CPUs and the IBM staff (people all age) +singing the IBM jingle. +No families, no special target. + +Ubuntu. +Now I haven't seen any tv ads for Ubuntu but all advertizing Ubuntu +does aims at the average user. +Again no families. + +But: +Almost all consumer goods (cars, washing machines, butter, meat, even +clothing, furniture, etc.) show families in their ads and talk to a +special target group: the young couple with kids, good income, +managing their life with joy and as easy as a pie. + +What does that tell us? +If anything it tells that the big ones do make a difference between +marketing for computers and marketing for any other consumer goods. + + +Next: Linux <-> Mageia. + +Yes, there is this car ad where Volkswagen tries to make people think +"VW" as a synonym of "car" (VW, The Car). They don't succeeded. People +still think about buying a car first and then they think about the +brand and then the model (except hardcore gasoline junkies who think +Porsche even while they are cleaning the dishes). + +Why should we think "linux" first and then "Mageia"? +Because Linux - as Mageia spelled it out in the "values" - is not a +competition *against* other distributions, it is a competition while +*collaborating* with other distributions as being said by in "values" +page. So how can I strive to place "Mageia" on the same level as +"Linux", ignoring that there are other Linux flavors which are using +the same stuff as Mageia uses, which are always welcome to take from +Mageia as Mageia is welcome to take from them? + +Isn't what Ubuntu tried (and succeeded in some parts of the world) in +contradiction with the spirit of the Open Source community which +Mageia committed itself to keep up and maintain? I'd not take Ubuntu +as a good example for anything, except for good documentation and PR. +I wrote about that lack of PR repeatedly in the Mandriva forum, some +people may remember. + +Only some thoughts from a guy who always has been and always will be +first a Linux user and advocate, then the user and contributor and +advocate of a distribution. + +Now go on with marketing. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002440.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002441.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2443">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2443">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2443">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2443">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002444.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002444.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ff3411d31 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002444.html @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20rpm%20compatibility&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimitjOS-w-2yHgW1p4kvnmaU7z%3DqnPC9RyoG7WB%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002442.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002445.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility</H1> + <B>Akshay Arora</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20rpm%20compatibility&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimitjOS-w-2yHgW1p4kvnmaU7z%3DqnPC9RyoG7WB%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility">akshayaurora at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 20:46:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002442.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002445.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2444">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2444">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2444">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2444">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Some related questions, + +Is there any interest/talk on, a supplemental one-click install like web +based system? + +What about an option for installing self contained packages like in macos or +<A HREF="klik://.">klik://.</A> + +On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Bruno Mahé <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bruno at bmahe.net</A>> wrote: + +><i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +</I>><i> Hash: SHA1 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On 10/10/2010 03:41 PM, Hoyt Duff wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Oliver Burger +</I>><i> > <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> OBS is something different. OBS uses virtual machines of the distro it +</I>><i> builds +</I>><i> >> packages for and so builds more or less "normal" packages for the +</I>><i> distro. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> > I'm having trouble finding a download link for a personal install of +</I>><i> > OBS. They claim to offer it; I just can't seem to locate it. Anybody +</I>><i> > have it? Thanks. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> These links may help you: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Appliance">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Appliance</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Developer_Documentation">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Developer_Documentation</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Build_Service">http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Build_Service</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> All the code is located on gitorious here: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service">http://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> They also do build packages using their own instance of OBS: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=obs-server&project=openSUSE%3ATools">https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=obs-server&project=openSUSE%3ATools</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks, +</I>><i> Bruno +</I>><i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +</I>><i> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) +</I>><i> Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - <A HREF="http://enigmail.mozdev.org/">http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> iEYEARECAAYFAkyyzGQACgkQg7QR84irzYlMdgCaAj8ew+9nPywSOXVxIvjnINpj +</I>><i> ZAgAn0iXUuC5pZfvBh3UEXo0To+HcJwI +</I>><i> =mCFv +</I>><i> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +</I>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101018/6787e29f/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002442.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002445.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2444">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2444">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2444">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2444">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002445.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002445.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0c809c4f1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002445.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010172118.59454.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002444.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002447.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010172118.59454.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 21:18:59 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002444.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002447.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2445">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2445">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2445">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2445">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 14 octobre 2010 11:10:33, J.A. Magallón a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:37:29 +1300, Graham Lauder <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 14:18:02 Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> > > I'm with wobo and Margot here, I fear this 'targeting' will simply result +</I>><i> > > in restricting our potential user-base (i.e. rather than attracting more +</I>><i> > > users it will turn off many users). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > It is a well known fact, that you cannot be all things to all people, to try +</I>><i> > to do that would end up being everything to noone. I would prefer to be the +</I>><i> > best we can be to those who grow to love the brand. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Wrong, from my POV. +</I>><i> Its Linux. Linux has it all. You just have to choose what you want in +</I>><i> your install, desktop software, server software or both. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> An example. Our admins at the university choose CentOS as their distro +</I>><i> for labs and servers. CentOS is marketed as a RHEL derivative, focused +</I>><i> on server and stability. Why CentOS ? Its RHEL but with free +</I>><i> support. What about desktop software ? Its generally outated. What +</I>><i> about HW support ? Same. CentOS people patches their soft, but what +</I>><i> do you prefer, a home patched ancient kernel or an updated one with the real +</I>><i> official and tested fixes ? If they wanted the best of both worlds +</I>><i> they could choose Mandriva for labs desktops and CentOS for servers, +</I>><i> if they are so fond of CentOS as server. But noooone wants to admin two +</I>><i> linux distros. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But me, I have always intalled Mandriva both for desktops and for servers. +</I>><i> Reasons: +</I>><i> - I had the best hw support +</I>><i> - I had updated software +</I>><i> - It is stable +</I>><i> - I could use the SAME distro (even the same CD) to install a desktop +</I>><i> box for development, for office work, or a server with samba and ldap +</I>><i> and apache, or a HPC cluster with openmpi. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why ? I know Mandriva, I know it has all the soft that I need for all +</I>><i> > fields, and yes, ONE SIZE FITS ALL my meeds. +</I> +Exactly the same here : +- Mandriva on workstation +- Mandriva on servers +- Mandriva at home for everyday use, gaming... + +Regards + +Samuel +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002444.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002447.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2445">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2445">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2445">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2445">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002446.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002446.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..73d7ac285 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002446.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3C201010171824.40680.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002447.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002449.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, </H1> + <B>MacXi</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3C201010171824.40680.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, ">terraagua at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 22:24:40 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002447.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002449.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2446">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2446">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2446">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2446">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Em Sáb 02 Out 2010, às 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu: +><i> 2010/10/2 MacXi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > Em Sex 01 Out 2010, às 21:11:44, André Machado escreveu: +</I>><i> >> Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work +</I>><i> >> to you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog +</I>><i> >> too. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Could you please send a HTML version of this file ? +</I>><i> Thanks for advance +</I> +Anne, + +I'm sending attached the text of the FAQ in Portuguese, as you requested. +thanks + +MacXi + +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101017/c92a03a6/attachment.html> +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101017/c92a03a6/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002447.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002449.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2446">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2446">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2446">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2446">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002447.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002447.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f4a3e3791 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002447.html @@ -0,0 +1,204 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010172216.17013.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002445.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002446.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C201010172216.17013.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 22:16:16 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002445.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002446.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2447">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2447">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2447">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2447">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 14 octobre 2010 14:40:54, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Hey everyone, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> so, to re-frame a bit things and cool down. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> First, thank you all for this conversation. That shows you care. And +</I>><i> that's great. At times, we may disagree with each other, we may not +</I>><i> manage properly yet how we say things, we may look or be a bit slow or +</I>><i> too fast. But we still can make something together - provided we aim +</I>><i> something in common, we trust and respect each other and we know how +</I>><i> to step down and apologize when needed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's not to say it's easy. It's probably the hardest part. We just +</I>><i> have to take it into account and build our way with it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A quick note the about logo proposals thing. Right, we may pause it, +</I>><i> however everyone started to propose logos even before we talked about +</I>><i> it; so at least we reframe the proposals a bit without making a full +</I>><i> stop. That gives more info to graphic designers at this point and we +</I>><i> can refine the technical specs as well. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> #1 Yes, marketing has a say in how we do things in this project. So +</I>><i> does each team. We didn't listed all these teams without intending to +</I>><i> articulate their contributions. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> One of the crucial points in this project is to make everyone respect +</I>><i> and understand each other; knowledge, feelings, opinions, unknowns are +</I>><i> all in the game and we all have to learn how to deal with this to go +</I>><i> forward. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marketing, communication (and coordination/inclusion into the project +</I>><i> main decisions) are indeed, in our inherited culture, not quite known +</I>><i> & understood. Each team has its own culture, process. Without all +</I>><i> becoming experts of each others' specialties, we need to understand, +</I>><i> value and trust our reciprocal contributions to benefit the whole +</I>><i> project. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course we are in a Open Source project so it makes some teams more +</I>><i> in technical power of decision (because they don't approve or because +</I>><i> they don't deliver or because there are technical obstacles or...). +</I>><i> That's true and that makes even more important that all participants +</I>><i> acknowledge that we all have +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So whether it takes more time, more discussion, an agreement or it's +</I>><i> up to the Council or the Board to decide in last resort. We will +</I>><i> strive to base our decisions on three things: project mission, values +</I>><i> and facts. Feelings are here as "warning signals" of dissonance and +</I>><i> understood as such; and should be resolved hopefully. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Disagreements may appear from diverse reasons; one may be that we've +</I>><i> not been specific enough about the direction (because we didn't or +</I>><i> because we still don't know well enough how to be specific enough; +</I>><i> that's something to refine as well). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> #2. Mageia.org does not target desktop users especially. Well, we do; +</I>><i> as we do target servers and embedded devices. As well. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Nor does it compete with other Linux distributions or other operating +</I>><i> systems. Yes, we do compete in some way. But we don't see ourselves +</I>><i> like this at first. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The big difference we expect for Mageia.org is not to compete, but to +</I>><i> become a inter-disciplinary collaboration community of excellence for +</I>><i> free/libre projects; the Mageia Linux distribution is only one (huge, +</I>><i> central and first) "game" in this. As a project, as a platform, as a +</I>><i> product, as a showcase. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As a hint, two teams were not listed for now, because we thought that +</I>><i> we need to roll out our first working ISO first and because we didn't +</I>><i> explained how their role would fit: ergonomics/users study and +</I>><i> electronics/hardware devices. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The goal is not only to produce a ~horizontal Linux-based system that +</I>><i> will empower people; it's to create the conditions to build ~vertical +</I>><i> solutions with it, within or from the Mageia.org community. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mageia.org is not a commercial project but a community project; where +</I>><i> people/companies will bring in and bring from. Both as users and as +</I>><i> contributors. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That does not prevent to design it through marketing, but that must be +</I>><i> aligned with the project direction. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, to draw this in perspective now, here are the next big milestones +</I>><i> we have in sight for the coming months. That does not define long term +</I>><i> strategy (which is still buried in the announcement and in the +</I>><i> vision/mission statements being worked on) but I guess it will help: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. releasing a test drive ISO before the end of November; this is to +</I>><i> test drive four things: +</I>><i> * packaging/translation/build system as a whole, +</I>><i> * community council and teams work & coordination, +</I>><i> * final product stability, +</I>><i> * concurrent discussions for future plans. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2. having December to cool down and prepare the next run; having end +</I>><i> of December free of any stress in this regard; +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 3. preparing coming FOSDEM in February 2011; where we shall meet more +</I>><i> people to discuss future and hot topics. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Concurrent to these, Mageia.org community must form and learn on itself. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For the marketing team, for instance, the first step could to market +</I>><i> the project itself toward people that will _contribute to it_, first. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's who we want to work with and who we want to be in love with the +</I>><i> product, the technology, the project and the processes first. That's +</I>><i> who we want to care about first. Then we will have to see how what we +</I>><i> love can be a fit for other people. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (and no, that doesn't exclude all users, but only users that don't +</I>><i> expect to contribute to the project directly) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That helps in three ways: +</I>><i> - helping refine the whole project vision as whole and advocate it; +</I>><i> - help contributors get a firmer grasp on who they are, and what +</I>><i> they're going to build; +</I>><i> - inform users community of what it may be going to look like. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This, with time, will help to discuss targets with more data and more +</I>><i> perspective. For everyone. Notwithstanding that other teams have quite +</I>><i> a lot of work as well and may need to advocate it as well. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, that's a short roadmap. We can expect to have a larger one later. +</I>><i> But that's what we have to focus on at this time. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We will dig into some of these points in dedicated meetings in the +</I>><i> next days (marketing/communication, roadmap and weekly progress). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +This somewhat buried announce could be given more visibility in its own thread or as a forum message, couldn't it ? + +Regards + +Samuel +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002445.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002446.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2447">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2447">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2447">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2447">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002448.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002448.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cefcb9c37 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002448.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3C201010171849.48043.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002449.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002450.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, </H1> + <B>MacXi</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3C201010171849.48043.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, ">terraagua at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 22:49:47 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002449.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002450.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2448">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2448">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2448">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2448">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Em Sáb 02 Out 2010, às 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu: +><i> 2010/10/2 MacXi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > Em Sex 01 Out 2010, às 21:11:44, André Machado escreveu: +</I>><i> >> Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work +</I>><i> >> to you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog +</I>><i> >> too. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Could you please send a HTML version of this file ? +</I>><i> Thanks for advance +</I> +Anne, + +I am also sending the text of the Blog in Portuguese (Mageia: some news about +the project). + +thanks + +MacXi +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101017/84120dec/attachment.html> +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101017/84120dec/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002449.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002450.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2448">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2448">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2448">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2448">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002449.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002449.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5e5cd6126 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002449.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin2q_LiVedSZ_LGErneCv9car00EawJWBerXupU%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002446.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002448.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, </H1> + <B>Anne nicolas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin2q_LiVedSZ_LGErneCv9car00EawJWBerXupU%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, ">ennael1 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 22:41:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002446.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002448.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2449">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2449">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2449">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2449">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/17 MacXi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> Em Sáb 02 Out 2010, às 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> 2010/10/2 MacXi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > Em Sex 01 Out 2010, às 21:11:44, André Machado escreveu: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> >> Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> >> to you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> >> too. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Could you please send a HTML version of this file ? +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Thanks for advance +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Anne, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm sending attached the text of the FAQ in Portuguese, as you requested. +</I> +Published. Thanks ! + + +><i> +</I>><i> thanks +</I>><i> +</I>><i> MacXi +</I> + + +-- +Anne +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002446.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002448.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2449">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2449">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2449">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2449">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002450.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002450.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0d0a619ce --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002450.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DFDj_BW7qwBTvU5BiT9vYOZ6D8FK5d0ODX9M9n%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002448.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002451.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, </H1> + <B>Anne nicolas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DFDj_BW7qwBTvU5BiT9vYOZ6D8FK5d0ODX9M9n%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, ">ennael1 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 22:39:51 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002448.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002451.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2450">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2450">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2450">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2450">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/17 MacXi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> Em Sáb 02 Out 2010, às 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> 2010/10/2 MacXi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > Em Sex 01 Out 2010, às 21:11:44, André Machado escreveu: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> >> Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> >> to you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> >> too. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Could you please send a HTML version of this file ? +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Thanks for advance +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Anne, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I am also sending the text of the Blog in Portuguese (Mageia: some news +</I>><i> about the project). +</I> +Damien will see with you so that you can publish directly on pt_BR blog + +Cheers + +><i> +</I>><i> thanks +</I>><i> +</I>><i> MacXi +</I> + + +-- +Anne +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002448.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002451.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2450">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2450">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2450">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2450">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002451.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002451.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9ca6b300a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101017/002451.html @@ -0,0 +1,58 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C4CBB711F.4080406%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002450.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20logo%20proposals%20and%20selection&In-Reply-To=%3C4CBB711F.4080406%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 17 23:56:47 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002450.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2451">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2451">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2451">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2451">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Fernando Parra wrote: +><i> Recent history is full of examples: the Model T, the seat belt, Aspirin and of course Viagra, are some of them. +</I>><i> +</I>I must say, you have an eclectic view of the desktop. 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