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Will it be a +</I>><i> distribution for "developers" or for "end-users" (well i know developers +</I>><i> are +</I>><i> also end-users). +</I> + +I thought the aim was to be a community distribution, so ideally it would be +for both. + +End-users, well just users may come from Windows (i hope we +><i> will attract some to the good side of the force :D ) and they feels a forum +</I>><i> must easier than a ML. Just look at rules on the ML here, no html, no top +</I>><i> posting, just quote well are things that needs to use mail correctly. And +</I>><i> just +</I>><i> use mail correctly is sometimes hard for just users. I do not work in +</I>><i> computing and i just see how computers are seen, how they are used and how +</I>><i> theses 3 rules would be hard to use. No HTML ? well i guess few users +</I>><i> (outside +</I>><i> those working in computing) knows how to do it, no top posting ... ouch +</I>><i> quite +</I>><i> impossible, quote well ... hum what do you calll quoting ? +</I>><i> +</I> +The advantage of a forum, for these problems, is that there is only one +interface : the forum, and the administrator can configure it as much as he +wants (or is able). +So : no HTML is decide by the administrator, not by the 'end user'. +(I just saw that 'wobo' explained it better than I do) + +><i> +</I>><i> Let's face it, ML is a tool for developers not a tool for users. +</I> + +That's just the reason for the gateway : to provide a way to communicate +between users and developpers : developers usually hate forums, end-users +usually are unable to use ML's properly. +The fear has allready been expressed that if we open that communication +channel, developers will be flooded. +That is a real problem, and I think we have to use (existing, and eventually +new) tools to limit that problem. + + +As a user i +><i> do prefer forums, on one topic i can have the full discussion no need to +</I>><i> navigate between mails, there are colors, it is (or it give the feeling) +</I>><i> more +</I>><i> attractive and newbies or users will prefer using forums. That's the same +</I>><i> thing between using GUI or CLI, i know CLI is powerful, faster, very +</I>><i> efficient, +</I>><i> but for users GUI is better, they feel at ease when using their mouse to +</I>><i> point +</I>><i> and click, validate. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have also praticed a lot web forum, and a very little usenet and it is +</I>><i> also +</I>><i> two differents audience. Anyone here on alt.os.linux.mandriva (hum yes Marc +</I>><i> Paré is on) ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML +</I>><i> and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way +</I>><i> for me +</I>><i> is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, +</I> + +How can you have a community if you have no means to communicate ? +(Off topic example : I am belgian, Belgium is in danger of disintegrating +because (amongst other factors) there are 2 'public opinions' with 2 +different languages, that do not communicate : there are no common mass +media) + + +><i> some of us +</I>><i> will be on both tools but most will use just one. +</I>><i> +</I> +Yes but it is better to manage a communication problem, rather than just +make sure that communication is very hard, so you can ignore the problem. + +I hope I don't come across as too opiniated. +These communication problems are universal. I just think that Mageia is in a +position to do better, because it can manage it's tools. And that it could +greatly benefit by doing it. + +><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Olivier Méjean +</I>><i> Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> +</I>><i> twitter : obagoom +</I>><i> identi.ca : goom +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- + +Frederic +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/e7ef16bc/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002053.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002075.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2071">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2071">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2071">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2071">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |