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+ <H1>[Mageia-discuss] List language</H1>
+ <B>Lucien-Henry Horvath</B>
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+ <I>Mon Sep 27 18:46:50 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>EN (FR en dessous) :
+
+I'm not against to speak in english in our discussion because it's a
+fact : english is today the most quick spoke language.
+(and as you see, I speak in english first in this post for example).
+But, my point of view is that speaking in english is not permitting to
+give others the completness of it's mind. A man speak better in it's own
+natural tongue.
+I say : with the 2 languages in each post (english for all, mothertongue
+for true), we give us a better chance to be understood. This questions
+is not a must for those who are &quot;fluents in english&quot;, but that will help
+for the others.
+I take my poor personal example: for be sure to be understood, I write
+first in english with my words, translate with google and ... after
+write a corrected version in the 2 languages. (I just seeing that we
+saying not motherthong, but mothertongue ;-) ).
+In excluding of discussion those who don't speak fluently in english,
+you loose a part of the power of the common reflexion / work. You make a
+cast system : the strong, and the others. But in computing, it is not
+because you speak bad in english that you are coding bad. For me must
+important is to do a good job, not a good &quot;blabla&quot;.
+
+So, I support this idea : Accept the 2 speaks in the posts :
+- 1 english (better as possible)
+- 2 mothertongue
+It's more long, but safer for understanding.
+
+FR (EN up) :
+
+Je ne suis pas contre de parler en anglais dans notre discussion, car
+c'est un fait: l'anglais est aujourd'hui la langue la plus rapide a parler.
+(Et comme vous le voyez, je parle en anglais d'abord dans ce poste par
+exemple).
+Mais, mon point de vue est que de parler en anglais ne permet pas de
+donner aux autres la compl&#233;tude ce que l'on a &#224; l'esprit. Un homme parle
+mieux dans sa propre langue naturelle.
+Je dis : avec les 2 langues dans chaque post (en anglais pour tous, en
+langue maternelle pour &#234;tre s&#251;r), nous nous donnons une meilleure chance
+d'&#234;tre compris. Cette question n'est pas une obligation pour ceux qui
+parlent l'anglais courrament, mais qui aidera pour les autres.
+Je prends mon pauvre exemple personnel: pour &#234;tre s&#251;r d'&#234;tre compris,
+j'&#233;cris d'abord en anglais avec mes mots, puis traduit avec Google et
+... apr&#232;s &#233;crit une version corrig&#233;e dans les 2 langues. (Je viens de
+voir qu'on ne dit pas motherthong, mais mothertongue pour langue
+maternelle ;-) ).
+En excluant de la discussion ceux qui ne parlent pas couramment
+l'anglais, vous perdez une partie de la puissance de la r&#233;flexion
+commune / travail. Vous faites un syst&#232;me de castes: les forts, et les
+autres. Mais dans le calcul, ce n'est pas parce que vous parlez mal en
+anglais que vous &#234;tes un mauvais codeur. Pour moi, doit l'important est
+de faire un bon travail, pas un bon &quot;blabla&quot;.
+
+Aussi je soutiens cette id&#233;e : Accepter les 2 langues dans les posts :
+- 1 anglais (le meilleur possible)
+- 2 langue maternelle
+C'est plus long &#224; &#233;crire, mais plus s&#251;r pour la compr&#233;hension.
+
+
+Le 27/09/2010 18:09, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Lucien
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand your point. Believe me that I do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But you/me/we can't just tell people that they must learn all languages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We must find a common language. Since decades, schools all around the
+</I>&gt;<i> world have being teaching English to students. It's changing now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here, in Argentina, schools started many years ago to teach Portuguese
+</I>&gt;<i> because of the MERCOSUR. And because of Brazil's economic power.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You're right about Chinese. It will be the most spoken language. Maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> schools will teach Chinese instead of English.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For me, with almost 30 years and with many years of English at school,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's very difficult to learn another language. I guess, many people is
+</I>&gt;<i> in the same situation than me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe, in ten years from now, 2010 kids will be men and will speak Chinese well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But grown man like me, in 2010, live different situation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, my vote is to keep using English today. Tomorrow, if situation
+</I>&gt;<i> changes, we'll must adapt or remain in silence.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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