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If this cause too much problem +</I>><i> ( like people unable to find the web interface ), I will add them back. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now, I just need to find a good message about etiquette to send on first +</I>><i> subscription. ( help welcome ). +</I>><i> +</I>Here is the message send every to the XFCE mailing-list subscriber : +(sorry, it's quite long) + +Hi! + +Welcome to the Xfce users mailing list FAQ. This e-mail will provide you +with some valuable clues and hints on getting your questions about Xfce +answered, either by hints on where to find the documentation or support +or direct answers to the most common questions. This FAQ message is sent +periodically to the Xfce users mailinglist and to new users. + +You will also find some more general tips and pointers about this +mailinglist and the Xfce project, such as related projects and groups. +Feel free to suggest additional content to this FAQ, by sending it to +the maintainer of this FAQ (listed at the bottom). + + +Index: + +o General mailinglist information +o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?) +o Which Xfce user/project groups exist? +o So what if I need help? +o I've read the websites and I still need help! +o No disclaimers please +o Quoting style? +o What about you guys? +o Most commonly asked questions +o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer + + + +o General mailinglist information + +The Xfce users mailinglist is hosted at our joint project servers +(foo-projects.org) and uses "mailman" to interface users, subscriptions +and stuff like that. You will need to be subscribed to post to the +mailinglists. Here are some useful links to interface with the mailinglists: + +View all lists: <A HREF="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo</A> +Subscribe/Unsubscribe: <A HREF="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce</A> +Online Archive: <A HREF="http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce</A> + + +o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?) + +There are "developer" and "user" lists. The general (this) user mailing +list for Xfce is "<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xfce at xfce.org</A>". This is the typical list to discuss +problems that might not be bugs, questions for help, exchanging tips and +tricks and general news that might interest any Xfce user. + +If you wish to discuss development issues and bugs, please refer to the +development mailing list "<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xfce4-dev at xfce.org</A>". There is an obsolete list +called "xfce-dev" as well but since all of the development is done on +xfce version 4 this list is not used. + +Specific lists also exist for translations (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xfce-i18n at xfce.org</A>), +announcements from the Xfce team (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xfce-announce at xfce.org</A>), commits and +autogenerated messages (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xfce4-commits at xfce.org</A>, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xfce-bugs at xfce.org</A>). + +Other related projects also sometimes have mailinglists, some of them +are not hosted on foo-projects.org: + +xfc: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xfc-dev at xfce.org</A> +thunar: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">thunar-dev at xfce.org</A> +xfce goodies: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">goodies-dev at xfce.org</A> + + +o Which Xfce user/project groups exist? + ++ The Xfce team - This is the main Xfce development group that develops +the Xfce Desktop Environment. This group provides the core items of the +Xfce desktop such as session manager, window manager, panel, Xfce +libraries and such. This team also takes care of some Xfce applications +such as Xfmedia, Orage, Xffm, thunar etc. -> <A HREF="http://xfce.org/">http://xfce.org/</A> + ++ The Xfce i18n team - a enthusiastic group of translators from all +over the world is working actively on updating and adding new translations +to the Xfce components. -> <A HREF="http://i18n.xfce.org/">http://i18n.xfce.org/</A> + ++ The Xfce Goodies group - Any 3rd-party Xfce application is considered +an automatic member of the goodies team. The team shares a website at +<A HREF="http://goodies.xfce.org/">http://goodies.xfce.org/</A> and hosts a public SVN repository. Everyone is +welcome to contribute his Xfce application here! + ++ Individual Xfce projects - Many Xfce developers and enthusiasts have +contributed or developed Xfce applications themselves. Some are too +large (xfc -> <A HREF="http://xfc.xfce.org/,">http://xfc.xfce.org/,</A> pyxfce -> <A HREF="http://pyxfce.xfce.org/">http://pyxfce.xfce.org/</A>) +to be a goody and have their own website. You can find all of them on +the Xfce Directory (once it's finished!). -> <A HREF="http://directory.xfce.org/">http://directory.xfce.org/</A> + + +o So what if I need help? + +Getting help might be easier then you think. There's no phone number you +can call for Xfce support but we do have a large group of people that +are willing to help you in other ways. Here's a short list of them: + +Official documentation: <A HREF="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/</A> +User Forum: <A HREF="http://forum.xfce.org/">http://forum.xfce.org/</A> +IRC channel: <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/#xfce">irc://irc.freenode.net/#xfce</A> +Wiki: <A HREF="http://wiki.xfce.org/">http://wiki.xfce.org/</A> +Bugreports: <A HREF="http://bugzilla.xfce.org/">http://bugzilla.xfce.org/</A> +List archives: <A HREF="http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce</A> + +Other FAQ's exist and may prove useful to you: + +<A HREF="http://www.spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php#faq">http://www.spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php#faq</A> + + +o I've read the websites and I still need help! + +Asking on a mailing list for help is hard: Everyone will read your +question and will criticise you if you submit a question in the wrong +way. Here's some hints to maximize the chances that you get what you +want as quickly as possible: + ++ Do some research first ++ Ask the right people ++ When asking in IRC, ask for pointers to help, not the explanation ++ When asking in mailinglists, format your mail properly ++ Use english ++ Be specific and detailed (but not too much) ++ Re-post the solution so others can learn + +If you follow these rules everyone will be happy to help you! But don't +be afraid to ask though, this mailinglists is exactly for asking questions! + +There's a good in-depth document that explains the etiquette that most +senior ML members follow. You should read this if you become a frequent +ML poster as it explains _why_ we write this way in a really good way: + +<A HREF="http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html">http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html</A> + +Take 15 minutes to read this document, it will help you later and you +will understand much better how to get your question answered. + + +o No disclaimers please + +If you are posting from an email account where a legal disclaimer is +automatically appended to your outgoing messages, please disable it. +If you cannot, please use a different email account, or register for a +free webmail account (GMail, Yahoo, etc.). Note that such a disclaimer +means very little when you post an email to a public mailing list with +public archives. Extraneous disclaimer text in email can make your +message harder to read, and tends to add a lot of useless content when +messages are replied to repeatedly. Remember that you're posting to +a community of hundreds of people, and it's impolite to use up their +time unnecessarily. + + +o Quoting style? + +It's very hard to understand a thread of messages if they become replies +to replies and everyone mixes quoting styles. That's why there is +something called "quoting style", that describes how you should quote +the previous posters contents when you reply to a mailinglist message. + +We prefer that you use "Top quoting". That means that you should put +your reply _below_ (Put the quote on top/above your reply) the original +poster's message. That way the contents are in chronological order and +you can read the entire message thread without figuring out where the +reply belongs. + +Here's a good FAQ on how to quote: + +<A HREF="http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/nquote.html">http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/nquote.html</A> + +Basically: + ++ quote at the top ++ prune text from the quote that is irrelevant ++ remove footers and headers (condense) ++ put the reply directly next to (in between) the original text + + +o What about you guys? + +Well we're just a bunch of geeks (we need girls) who like Xfce... Most +of us work on Xfce outside of our normal daily occupation such as real +work or real study (except some lucky people who do both). If you're +interested in getting to know the Xfce team a bit closer (and are okay +with a little abuse, being teased or ignored etc) you're welcome to join +us on our IRC channel (#xfce on the freenode IRC network) or read our +blogs. This might not always be about Xfce but that's life. -> +<A HREF="http://blog.xfce.org/">http://blog.xfce.org/</A> + + +o Most commonly asked questions + +There are a few questions that get asked much more often then any other. +We hope we can provide you with the information here to find out for +yourself how to find more information about them. + ++ How can I start up applications (to a specific desktop | when I lauch +Xfce)? + +Use the session-manager. If you still have problems with some +applications not behaving or remembering their desktop number then you +might consider using "devilspie". You can add links to applications in +~/Desktop/Autostart, but the session-manager also remembers which +applications you had running when you last logged out (and saved your +session!), and will start them again (so don't close your applications +before logging out!) + ++ Can I replace Xfce program X with my favorite program Y? + +Yes, you can. Xfce is developed with the idea of modularity in mind in +all components. This means that you can replace xfwm4 with another +window manager, replace xfdesktop with rox or idesk, or even nautilus. +Most of the times you can just kill the xfce component and start the +application you want to run instead, and use the session manager to +save your session when you exit. + ++ How can I shutdown my computer in Xfce? + +Read +<A HREF="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-shutdown">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-shutdown</A> + ++ Can I install multiple Xfce versions concurrently? + +You can actually, but it's a nightmare if you install one of them in a +system-default location. The best thing to do is to install every Xfce +version in a non-system location like /opt/xfce/$(XFCE_VERSION) and +adjust your LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PATH to point to the preferred version +at run time. + ++ My desktop or desktop menu has disappeared!? + +It appears that xfdesktop is no longer in control of the desktop. Often +xfdesktop has died, or some other program took over the desktop. Make +sure that xfdesktop is still running first. Nautilus takes over the +desktop by default too. Please start nautilus with the --no-desktop +flag, or use gconf-editor and unset the flag that tells nautilus to +handle the desktop (/apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop). Start +xfdesktop again and you should be OK again. + ++ How do I edit the system application menu? + +The menu is partially autogenerated by xfdesktop. If you want to just +delete or add one or two applications, add the proper .desktop file +(usually in /usr/share/applications). With the xfce4-menueditor, you can +completely customize the menu. + ++ What other (hidden) settings exist? + +A lot. Take a look into the manual for hidden settings for each +component. +<A HREF="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4#hidden_options">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4#hidden_options</A> +<A HREF="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-kiosk">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-kiosk</A> + ++ Where can I get Xfce packages for XXX? + +The up-to-date list of other packages is found on our website and includes +links to debian, suse, freebsd etc. packages for Xfce. Please visit: + +<A HREF="http://www.xfce.org/download/">http://www.xfce.org/download/</A> + +o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer + +The current FAQ maintainer is: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sofar at foo-projects.org</A> + +_______________________________________________ +Xfce mailing list +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Xfce at xfce.org</A> +<A HREF="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce</A> +<A HREF="http://www.xfce.org">http://www.xfce.org</A> + + +-- +Marianne (Jehane) Lombard +Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team +Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett + +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/a0af9f59/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1225">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1225">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1225">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1225">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |