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We can also try to improve the efficiency of developers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Reducing X, ie less users/testers, is not really a good option. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Increasing Y, or developers efficiency requires almost the same step : +</I>><i> move people from the users/testers group to the developers group. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And first step is that people should try to fix their own bug as much as +</I>><i> possible. This way, they learn to do bug fixing, the process scale ( ie, +</I>><i> we will be nearer on a proper ratio of 1 to 1 if everybody fix his own +</I>><i> bugs first ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If we want to increase number of developers, the best way is to have +</I>><i> users who care about the software ( since they report bugs ) to be able +</I>><i> to fix bugs, ie become developers, or at least helping as much as +</I>><i> possible ( ie, giving very precise step, giving patches, triaging others +</I>><i> bugs so developpers do not have to do it, etc ). This way, there is more +</I>><i> time devoted for each problem, and more knowledge for all, and more +</I>><i> empowerment. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now, that's just a goal, and while I doubt that everybody has the time +</I>><i> or the envy of becoming developers ( since others areas are equally +</I>><i> important, imho, and that mean others area also outside of the +</I>><i> project ), I think this must be clear that it is a question of community +</I>><i> sustainability. We know we cannot attain the 1 per 1 ratio, but we must +</I>><i> strive for it. +</I>><i> +</I>... +><i> +</I>><i> In the community world, this is not as straight, unfortunately, because +</I>><i> more users do not mean more developers ( not automatically ). And while +</I>><i> we try to do our best, I am sure there is possibility of improvement. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But before improving, we first need to start :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So to conclude, as arrogant and elitist it will sound, the best way for +</I>><i> everybody to have a bug fixed is to fix it yourself. +</I>I would like to moderate this a bit. As far as I can see on +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</A> there are many +volunteers to learn how to do that, approximately 12-15 people. + +At the moment there are 3 people who would like to mentor these +packagers, that means that for the beginning we could form half of the +volunteers, and forming takes quite some time. + +If we want to increase Y, we also need to help in that area, I see some +people from blogdrake do that as we do as well as Stéphane and Guillaume +help for the AUFML. It would be good to have these names in the +mentoring team so that we have a clear view of who is able to help Y +increase. + +Though I admit that does not prevent one to try to fix his bug first, +but I would like to take this xkcd as an illustration : +<A HREF="http://xkcd.com/763/">http://xkcd.com/763/</A> + +Forming people is IMHO the best way to increase Y :-) + +Regards, +-- +Rémy CLOUARD +() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail +/\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments +-------------- next part -------------- +A non-text attachment was scrubbed... +Name: not available +Type: application/pgp-signature +Size: 230 bytes +Desc: not available +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100925/6b21e969/attachment.asc> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001191.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1196">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1196">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1196">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1196">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |