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( not to mention that the +</I>><i> simple existence of the idea "dev and users" is harmful, IMHO ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2) forums are IMHO not adapted to the work: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - depending on the forum, some will mark messages as read while you +</I>><i> didn't , fluxbb for example, and this is stressing ( at least, it does +</I>><i> stress me, since each time, I wonder if I forgot to read something +</I>><i> important or not ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - you have to read the whole page to follow a thread, while evolution +</I>><i> allow me to mark just a subthread as read when I know it doesn't +</I>><i> interest me ( like thread about kde or nvidia driver on cooker ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - you cannot have subthread, which basically make everything a mess +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - you cannot do any kind of filtering ( like some people do with gnus, +</I>><i> to highlight post with keyword ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - you cannot cross post between forum ( which can be required when +</I>><i> specialized ml will appear ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - you basically cannot automate much task ( like applying a patch for +</I>><i> git with git am ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - you cannot read them offline ( in, when you commute, like what I do ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - most of the time, you cannot read them on your phone ( see the commute +</I>><i> part ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So basically, for my workflow, and I think I am not having a so uncommon +</I>><i> one among the  FOSS crowd, a forum is less adapted than a ML. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regarding devs on forums, I have already expressed myself on cooker ml, +</I>><i> seek my name around august this year. Of course, I may appear like a ass +</I>><i> in theses mails,( maybe because I am one ), but I think that basically +</I>><i> changing the name of the project will not impact much my opinion, and +</I>><i> that still reflect my thoughts. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course, some packagers will read forums, and some used it ( like +</I>><i> Nicolas Lecureil, Samuel Verschelde and likely others ) for various +</I>><i> task, but personally, I would prefer rely on people to help me by doing +</I>><i> the triaging, and let me focus on issues where I can be more useful for +</I>><i> everybody. I think this would scale more than asking every developer to +</I>><i> get on the forum. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So while I do not want to actively ignore users, it must be clear that +</I>><i> not everybody will/can pass a significant time on forum. And well, while +</I>><i> reading is sufficient in theory, if you just read, people do not know +</I>><i> and feel neglected. But answering requires more time. For example, I +</I>><i> have devoted my full afternoon on reading -discuss and I have still many +</I>><i> mails to read and maybe to answer, so I really do not think I could cope +</I>><i> with a user forums. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When you take a forum, you need to take one that can show "hot topic", +</I>><i> or something like that, ie think of infrequent readers that may want to +</I>><i> only have the more important discussion ( ie, a +</I>><i> packager/designer/coder/whatever that just pass from time to time ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Michael Scherer +</I>><i> +</I>><i> _______________________________________________ +</I>><i> Mageia-discuss mailing list +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A> +</I>><i> +</I> +Sounds familiar. +Said with a friendly voice :) + +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000741.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000743.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#742">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#742">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#742">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#742">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |