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<B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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<I>Wed Sep 22 20:43:21 CEST 2010</I>
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<PRE>2010/9/22 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>:
><i> Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 à 04:32 +0200, Tux99 a écrit :
</I>><i>
</I>>><i> While I'm in no position to influence this, I believe that Mageia
</I>>><i> and it's community would greatly benefit if the Mageia devs would use a
</I>>><i> reserved section of the Mageia forum (a subforum where only devs can
</I>>><i> post) for cooker discussions rather than a mailing-list, since it would
</I>>><i> bring devs and users closer to each other and facilitate interaction.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Well, no for several reasons:
</I>><i>
</I>><i> 1) a restricted forum is not really the spirit of openess I would see.
</I>><i> And a restricted forum would not be really a way to bring dev and
</I>><i> non-dev closer if this is restricted to dev. ( not to mention that the
</I>><i> simple existence of the idea "dev and users" is harmful, IMHO ).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> 2) forums are IMHO not adapted to the work:
</I>><i>
</I>><i> - depending on the forum, some will mark messages as read while you
</I>><i> didn't , fluxbb for example, and this is stressing ( at least, it does
</I>><i> stress me, since each time, I wonder if I forgot to read something
</I>><i> important or not )
</I>><i>
</I>><i> - you have to read the whole page to follow a thread, while evolution
</I>><i> allow me to mark just a subthread as read when I know it doesn't
</I>><i> interest me ( like thread about kde or nvidia driver on cooker )
</I>><i>
</I>><i> - you cannot have subthread, which basically make everything a mess
</I>><i>
</I>><i> - you cannot do any kind of filtering ( like some people do with gnus,
</I>><i> to highlight post with keyword )
</I>><i>
</I>><i> - you cannot cross post between forum ( which can be required when
</I>><i> specialized ml will appear )
</I>><i>
</I>><i> - you basically cannot automate much task ( like applying a patch for
</I>><i> git with git am )
</I>><i>
</I>><i> - you cannot read them offline ( in, when you commute, like what I do )
</I>><i>
</I>><i> - most of the time, you cannot read them on your phone ( see the commute
</I>><i> part )
</I>><i>
</I>><i> So basically, for my workflow, and I think I am not having a so uncommon
</I>><i> one among the  FOSS crowd, a forum is less adapted than a ML.
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Regarding devs on forums, I have already expressed myself on cooker ml,
</I>><i> seek my name around august this year. Of course, I may appear like a ass
</I>><i> in theses mails,( maybe because I am one ), but I think that basically
</I>><i> changing the name of the project will not impact much my opinion, and
</I>><i> that still reflect my thoughts.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Of course, some packagers will read forums, and some used it ( like
</I>><i> Nicolas Lecureil, Samuel Verschelde and likely others ) for various
</I>><i> task, but personally, I would prefer rely on people to help me by doing
</I>><i> the triaging, and let me focus on issues where I can be more useful for
</I>><i> everybody. I think this would scale more than asking every developer to
</I>><i> get on the forum.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> So while I do not want to actively ignore users, it must be clear that
</I>><i> not everybody will/can pass a significant time on forum. And well, while
</I>><i> reading is sufficient in theory, if you just read, people do not know
</I>><i> and feel neglected. But answering requires more time. For example, I
</I>><i> have devoted my full afternoon on reading -discuss and I have still many
</I>><i> mails to read and maybe to answer, so I really do not think I could cope
</I>><i> with a user forums.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> When you take a forum, you need to take one that can show "hot topic",
</I>><i> or something like that, ie think of infrequent readers that may want to
</I>><i> only have the more important discussion ( ie, a
</I>><i> packager/designer/coder/whatever that just pass from time to time ).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> --
</I>><i> Michael Scherer
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Sounds familiar.
Said with a friendly voice :)
wobo
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